Tense Submarine Hunt

[@Robert53area]

As a russian speaker, I love the name of this ship. For those who don't know how russia name it's older destroyers they named them after character traits. To translate, the name of the удалой, it means daring. Destroyer leaders were named after cities. Cruisers were named after famous military leaders, or divinity. And capital ships are named after heroes or revolutionary figures or states.

[@vitamc1213]

I only know a little Russian, but is that the masculine version of "daring"? Just curious.

[@misham1213]

@@vitamc1213 no, it has both masculine, feminine, neutral and plural versions.

[@Robert53area]

@@vitamc1213 in this case yes, usually it is an adjective. But here it is a noun, because it is a name. Names, can be tricky in russian as they don't actually follow the typical rules for grammar, for example names like Alexander and Alexandra, are shorter to the name Sasha, which can be both a masculine and femine name. Hope this answers your question. But most destroyers were named after character traits and the default form will be the masculine case, and if we are talking about the ship in a sentence, if it is named after a man it is a he, but if you just talk about the vessel it is feminine. Hope I didn't confuse you more.

[@Robert53area]

@@vitamc1213 here is an example, the most popular russian ship to English speakers is неустрашимый which means undaunted or fearless. It again is in the masculine form, because it is the default dictionary form.

[@bk-lx6cb]

Slava ukraine! 🇺🇦

[@muhammedenestopcu2406]

If AI surface ships enganged you the same way you engage these subs this game would be super exciting to watch. I doubt it would be good for you in terms of stress though

[@tefras14]

Its amazing what a healthy modding community can do for a game

[@jeffburnham6611]

Except you wouldn't get an "oil slick" from a nuclear powered submarine.

[@blaisepascal3804]

@@jeffburnham6611 some nuclear subs had backup diesel engines so it could be that fuel. but a lot didnt so yeah its kinda weird.

[@judet2992]

As a KSP player, good god is this true.

[@KevinEnjoyer]

Here's one thing you wanna know. The RBU can destroy incoming torpedos. So if you turned around and switched on the RBU, they would engage the torpedo and possibly destroy it.

[@spencethegreat38]

“Hmmm, write that down..write that down” - My brain

[@KevinEnjoyer]

@@spencethegreat38 Retraction. Only Epic Mod can do that. Not DotMod.

[@abeszajowitz2947]

Great video. Highly entertaining! Love seeing you hunt subs from the surface. Definitely would love to see you play the US side in a similar scenario as well!

[@DerLoladin]

Really good showing of the Udaloy - I did a whole campaign with her until I got bored. She is an absolute beast in terms of missile defense, double CIWS and you didn't even show off the Kinzhal SAM system, 64 SAM missiles which do an excellent job. Really unfortunate that you can't use helicopters and the HorseTail Towed Array doesn't work :(

[@NovaTrap1312]

Sea Power is going to be so good with all the surface combat features, have you watched the gameplay demo the devs released on their channel?

[@laiyucheng8496]

I think it would be fun if Wolfpack could ram a sub( I don’t know if ramming works in cold waters)

[@glennhighcoveexploresstuff]

@@NovaTrap1312 When it comes out already... Seems like a very long time for an ask that started as being able to do the above. I thought we'd have an early access or beta by now.

[@blaisepascal3804]

@@laiyucheng8496 oh yes it does. i rammed a november in a LA once

[@blaisepascal3804]

as of now they updated the mod, both of those things work now

[@Madlou]

That's it Wolfie! A nail biter like you said! All your surface battles have been nail biters and I love it! I also love the sight of those launching missiles and ship self-defense systems firing.

[@Robert53area]

Wolfpack, so the russian tactic for the RBU is to fire them to either sink them or force them deep, and then launch a drop torpedoes at the depth. Hope it helps in the future. Curious why the front 2 guns don't help suppressor the harpoons they are rapid fire time fuzed and proximity Fuze rounds

[@CATASTEROID934]

I think point defence/missile defence guns are handled fundamentally differently to main guns in this game and there is no overlap in function, even the smaller AK-257 turrets and other small guns are simply treated as small main guns even if they would serve as part of the anti-missile defence in reality.

[@Robert53area]

@@CATASTEROID934 quiet possible, I seemed it was just the mod, or that hadn't turned them on...

[@DerLoladin]

Another point to add to the RBU's is that, in my experience, it's best to not use them while the enemy Sub is evasive, trying to dodge Torpedoes. Usually that results in them also dodging all the RBUs. At the same time it's dangerous to fire at them when they've stopped going evasive, as they can usually point-and-shoot you with a torpedo in that case.

[@Timmytimmy707]

Waht game is this ??

[@ItsRawdraft2]

@@Timmytimmy707 Cold Waters

[@IAm18PercentCarbon]

This is like a missing chapter in Red Storm Rising. A Soviet captain prosecutes an SSBN and her escorts, and -- despite the astounding heroics of an outdated Sturgeon -- ultimately succeeds in destroying the boomer, with GUNS no less. However, in his moment of celebration, his ship detects a bow-on torpedo, and his crew, untrained boys, forgot to load a decoy in the tube they just shot, as their captain had standing orders to do. The torpedo impacts, with his ship barely surviving, but able to limp back to port.

[@mr.muldoontoyou]

That would make for an excellent chapter

[@scorpionarthur]

Your videos are awesome. I really enjoy the tense and tactical naval combat, put in short videos and even with soundtrack and cinematic elements added. Keep it up! ^^

[@JoeC-bz2ep]

Would like to see something with the Knox class frigate, or as we called it aboard, torpedo stopper.

[@roryross3878]

He has, enjoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boHNfaKFocydjLM

[@jackwilliams4087]

I've been hoping for this episode since you started playing the surface ships. Every bit as good as I'd hoped, absolute classic. Thank you and stay safe.

[@Villanuevac4]

Very fun, a new Wolfpack video! The surface combat is super fun, keep it running!

[@rask004]

Good vid! In regard to evading torpedoes: Remember that they are wake homing (of course) and once they have a wake your Moss decoys are useless. Using noisemakers to throw them off is good, but eventually they will turn back and reacquire, unless there is something else to catch their attention. This is when to use a Moss. Reversing course and looping over your own wake can confuse a following torpedo. If a torpedo is close but gets thrown off by a noise maker, launch a Moss straight ahead, cut speed and turn into the torpedo. If you do it right, then it will overshoot upon swinging back and acquire the moss. It takes practice and can be quite nail biting. Always keep a couple of Mosses loaded, at least. I realise putting all this in practice in the heat of battle is much easier said than done. But I hope these tips are still helpful! For the Motherland, Comrade 😉

[@daskalbdashupfte]

You can also use your sam system to shoot down missles at higher ranges!

[@usmctanker7729]

Soviet navy of that era always were loaded for bear & their sea whiz version were overkill & bigger caliber than ours. Their weapons remind me of the russian tank guns WW2 & later bigger & more of them. Love the mods that are coming out for these games as they add soo many options to play. As always enjoy your series & gameplay Wolfpack345 !!!

[@robgraham5697]

Watching the CIWS fire made me think of the scene in the movie 'Hunter-Killer' where the CIWS on a Russian ship shot down Russian missile targeting an American sub.

[@forcea1454]

Use the SAMs, I've found that Kinzhal is pretty good at knocking down AShMs, and you've got 64 of them. The SET-65s are ASW only, whereas the 53-65Ks are Anti-Ship only, and I've found that ditching the SET-65s and the MG-74 Decoys means you can take 26 53-65Ks, which makes the Udaloy an interesting choice for surface combat. You do have to zig-zag to get into range though, as US surface ships guns outrange both your guns and the torpedoes.

[@roryross3878]

Quite a risky tactic!!!

[@forcea1454]

@@roryross3878 Not necessarily, the AI seems to be quite inaccurate when firing on a maneuvering target. I managed to get away with 1-2 hits at most when fighting Spruances. The greatest problem I've had was when fighting against a Sverdlov, mainly because I missed with my first and second salvoes of torpedoes, and only the third managed to hit. Even then I was only down to 90% of my health. The problem with wave-homing torpedoes is that they have to cross the enemy ship's wake to start homing, and when fighting surface ships they tend to sail towards you, thu presenting a very narrow target aspect, especially in the case of their wake. In addition to zig-zagging, you also have to sail your ship in a way to ensure that they blunder over the torpedoes, which, once they've crossed the enemy ship's wake, should start homing onto it. I tend not to use the URPK-5 Rastrub against ships with CIWS only, enough can get through to sink the target, which makes the experience quite boring.

[@agurjaunak]

Those RBUs really are something, somehow Udaloy only carries 8 reloads, while Kara about 20, secondly with EpicMod, those RBUs also serves as anti torpedo measures.. saved me many times.. Hopefully this feature going to implemented in DotMod.. as well as towed array for surface ships..

[@Dtronic2]

Great video! Love the surface aspect.

[@tinaphillips7239]

These videos r awesome. I’ve created an Axis and Allies modern naval warfare game based of course on the original axis and Allie’s WW2 miniatures. I use 3D printed miniatures from Shapeways and I hand draw my own stat cards for the ships, fighters, bombers, and helicopters. My first miniatures I received and stat cards created were the USS Bunker Hill, the Russian battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy, and the British type 45 destroyer HMS Daring. I’ve got many more now including aircraft carriers a Udaloy class destroyer, like in this video, and helicopters.

[@blaisepascal3804]

1:19 "you may recognize this right here" nooo my 1984 campaign ptsd is back

[@vitamc1213]

This was probably the most intense Cold Waters video I have ever seen. I reckon something we should all appreciate is just how much naval warfare has changed since WW2. Up until WW2, for the previous like 200 years, practically all offensive naval weapons were projectiles launched from a cannon or gun. Since then, in a matter of practically a decade, everything had changed. Missiles really changed the game. So much so that the way a naval war occurs today is completely different to how it would have happened 80 years ago. I sometimes think about that when I see missiles flying all over the map, how much it has all changed. You can thank the Germans for this rapid development.

[@old_guard2431]

You answered my question - helo is presently for decoration only. . . Conventional wisdom way back in the day (1970s) was that you needed two frigates and a helo to stand a chance against one reasonably current submarine. Seems like surface ship ASW capabilities have improved enough to even up those odds somewhat, but in the game odds are tilted a bit in favor of the player, whether playing a surface ship or submarine. (Watched a sub game, which evaporated the frigate with one torpedo.) I would hope that the odds would be readjusted a bit when helos come in. With playable surface ships this could become a good alternative to World of Warships, which has wandered way too far off into fantasy land in the last year or two.

[@mickeyd.6467]

love it. Oh LA class sub, "have fun with that". Sturgeon, "have fun with that". Great video. Makes me want to play cold waters

[@skeletony7445]

Excellent post,the best and most intense so far of the series as a whole,keep them coming!

[@prestonm4s]

Aaron from subbrief must be captain of that sturgeon

[@johnmaurer9143]

Wow! That was intense! Good job getting all 3 of the subs.

[@groblin6620]

You need to remember to use your SAM's for those inbound missiles.

[@giorgigiorgi8375]

I just love wathcing the missiles launching from the ship, that looks so cool, can't wait for sea power

[@greyed]

6:58 - Air launched torp ran out and the explosion can be seen on the surface, neat!

[@jamesscalzo3033]

Loved the video @Wolfpack345! Can't wait for the next one man! By Order of the Soviet Premier, Nikita Khrushchev, You are to head to the North Sea and Report for duty with the Cruisers Mikhail Kutuzov and Groznny and the Destroyers Sovremenny, Otchayanny, and Otlichny to escort a Supply Convoy of about 2 or 3 Dozen Ships across the Atlantic to Cuba. You will command the Destroyers from aboard the Udaloy and Protect the Cruisers, Supply Ships as well as yourselves if need be in order to Help the Newest Ally of the Soviet People, Fidel Castro and his Cuban Revolutionaries. Hope you like the Mission Idea man, can't wait to see what comes your way from the British and American Navies!

[@SchrodingerDeeps]

I never play as skimmers, but I have to admit - that did look fun!

[@zach-p120]

I love these types of videos, keep up the good work

[@norussianbiascomrade5614]

Love this surface content on Cold Waters, giving a great game a new perspective. Please keep it coming 👍🏼

[@themacker894]

I saw you send four of the Russian version of the ASROC on the Ohio, though it appears as only one made it down. I'm guessing the others hit the ice.

[@Kurogumo]

SS-N-14 Silex missiles.

[@ditzy_neko3362]

Fantastic video! Would you do something with the Oliver Hazard Perry ?

[@Wolfpack345]

Yes! I will do that soon!

[@theteadrinkingowl.2295]

Fleet Commander is an older game, but it may "scratch that full Naval power" itch.

[@gascan]

Wolfpack, you bastard! That was my old boat you sank! Poor old Florida, never knew what hit her. I guess she needs a proper battleship captain if she's gonna fight you on the surface... Actually, kinda curious how HY-80 would hold up as armor against the Udaloy's 100mm main guns...

[@philiphied]

Yeah Wolfpack...prosecute, PROSECUTE!!!

[@Vaios1981]

your gameplay videos are very enjoyable. I think this game deserves its money

[@AntonyStrus]

I love your content Wolf. Have you considered playing Dangerous Waters?? It's a bit of a steeper learning curve, but there are some modded campaigns that are very good!

[@jbeckley6849]

Loving this series. As for an idea, do a David vs. Goliath. Something like a Potti vs an attack submarine wolfpack or a Kresta vs a surface group of an Iowa and escorts.

[@roryross3878]

Udaloy gets some much deserved love, awesome Wolfie!!!

[@jeffburnham6611]

I'm curious as to what ship this was. If this was actually modeled after the ship bearing the name 'Udaloy', and not another ship in its class, then there is a dev problem. The Udaloy did not have a VLS system for deploying anti-submarine missiles. The Udaloy used SS-N-14 missiles out of 4 double launchers for ASw warfare. The VLS system it did have consisted of 64 cells which fired the SS-N-9 which was strictly anti-air. The Udaloy itself was never modernized and refitted to fire ASW weapons from VLS launchers. Other ships in the class did undergo such modernization, and the newer Udaloy II also had such capabilities. At 1:15 when you launched at the LA class sub, you incorrectly said it was a VLS launch, but you can clearly see it did not come from a VLS launcher.

[@MrFunkhauser]

Nice video, love this ship, so many different things to blow up poor subs with Also kinda suprised there's no torpedo countermeasure like an explosive you can dump in its path if its heading right at you

[@advorak8529]

Nice one, but for nearly losing the ship. Lessons: - RBUs are cool, but you need to fire them when the sub is feeling safe enough to be on a steady course and if possible, not that deep. While their flight and sink time is short, it can be enough to put the sub out of the danger zone if it is manoeuvring. As happened more than once. - flying fish are nasty, especially when dropped a bit in front of you. Which way do you turn as you are getting closer and closer? - you may want to start using your torpedo tubes early: the torps need some time to get anywhere. - Torps are (temporary) area-denial weapons. - bracketing the enemy with torps (preferably snake torps) is going to make them busy soon. Make sure you enable early, in case they rush the torpedo (as happened at least once). Once they think they know which way to evade, drop a flying fish in front of them -- not exactly on top of them. Plug the hole you intentionally left open. Anywhere they go, they get a torpedo pinging at them. - flying fish are a good way to stop missile launching subs ... and you do not want to bet on your CIWS to save you every time. - avoid getting into the detection range of torps if you can ... you cannot dodge half as well as a sub. - Load a decoy or two right after the initial swimming fish launches. Or even before that. You might really need them. - if there are no neutral or friendly vessels around, what stops you from sending a snake-searching torp salvo over a 90 or more degree angle? *"Get off me front lawn! Damn submarines!"* - turn the guns on and leave them on, unless there is a pressing reason to turn them off. If they broach, even for a moment, the turrets already know that they may and should engage.

[@disgrutledhobo6204]

Lol, my twin bro served as a machinist mate on the USS Los Angeles 688 sub, 1988-1992. From what he has told me, the Russians didnt have shit on us back in those days, yes they were dangerous but, a competent Captain at the wheel and the Russians couldnt do shit! As we know, sometimes these realistic sim games dont get it right. Love your channel!!!

[@jwrockets]

As a submariner from the same time frame, I agree with your brother.

[@csii6478]

Where do you get dot mod from?

[@tristanbentz224]

have you guys seen sherman play naval combat in the missile age

[@viktable5955]

9:20 poor LA. at which point they would surrender? How it is in real world? Does game model this?

[@nikbear]

Brilliant video, really was a nailbiter! 😲 looking forward to more of the same 👏🐺

[@GaldirEonai]

A single Udaloy taking on an LA and a Sturgeon...that's another thing you'll only see in Cold Waters. AFAIK they expected to need 3-4 of these to take on a single NATO nuclear attack sub and lose most of them in the process. Of course, NATO ASW surface ships of the period were similarly outmatched by their nominal prey...

[@Wolfpack345]

I know US doctrine was to use 3 ASW ships for 1 enemy sub.

[@antred11]

Cold Waters is interesting to watch, but it's really quite arcadish compared to the much older Dangerous Waters.

[@NEXIS981]

Was very intense 😃 *thumbs up for video*

[@e.kent.d9561]

I always like the missions that you pick to play.

[@larryphilipp1761]

Wolf we need more ship to ship possibly task force to task force like war on the sea but cold waters id love to see capital ships enage each other

[@_R-R]

I have a question for you, Wolfpack. What would a duel between you and Magztv look like?

[@jwrockets]

I'd watch that.

[@Stellaferox]

Just a question here. I love the surface ships and have installed the 0.3c DOTMOD, but how do I play the surface ships? I can't find missions or a campaign for surface ships

[@papabear6382]

i have to say having actual ship to play in cold waters it makes game much more interesting

[@pigear6]

what soundmod are you using? I installed dot mod but did not have the voicelines you have for the Russians.

[@DameWhoGames623]

Wolfpack great vid, what mods are you using because in vanilla game I don't think you can play as ship.

[@chrisparisi7291]

You should have turned to port initially to unmask all your weapons.

[@thecasper911]

Let's see you do the same type mission with the Spurance!

[@_R-R]

ASW is never not nail-biting.

[@hantykje3005]

Would you fancy making a NATO 1984 campain with a diesel submarine? Kobben or Oberon preferably. How is the helicopter deployed btw?

[@DerLoladin]

It isn't, helicopter and towed array isn't modeled for the player on any of the vessels.

[@jamiewaterman8147]

Fantastically entertaining video!

[@steviewonder9209]

That was a great vid! I'm quite new to CW. I'm mostly flight combat sims, but have always been interested in sub sims as well. I learned quite a bit from your video, thanks! What mods are you using? Are you using "Epic mod" for the panels along the bottom? Does that give you extra mission like the one in this vid? I looked at Epic, but it seemed like there was a lot of extra baggage that didn't want. What's your experience?

[@johnjoice608]

If the LA class sub is nuclear would it have an oil slick?

[@a45675]

I don't know if it's because the mod didn't install right but forming knuckles and dropping decoys don't seem to do anything for me

[@WebberAerialImaging]

This is what happens when you don't get the heck out of Dodge 😉

[@DarthBudweiser]

liked your video, my time aboard a american attack sub, we had a hugh advange over all surface ships. I cant understand 1 ship beats 3 subs?

[@hasnasyaoqi7339]

honestly, idk what you're specifically doing. But D*mn that was cool af dude xD

[@wurzlgaming]

HI , is there any chance to use external lcd´s with cold waters ? the flight-sim community has these great external lcd´s ..cubesim , thrustmaster etc ... i think we need that for all the subsims as well .. looking around recently but noone had that idea yet ?

[@adycalda7289]

I have the game (Cold Waters )but i can't find surface ships in the game..only submarines.....where are them?

[@katyusha134]

I dont really have knowledge about this game but i think its a mod called dot mod But also search the Google

[@lifeasanactor]

can you do the campaign with this mod also?

[@ol8712]

You should do a surface campaign

[@markokeefe2751]

What is the name of this game please. Where can I find it?

[@terryhsiao1745]

why no helicopter involved?

[@gamingary]

don't know if dotmod has royal navy type 23 frigates but i'd like to see you play one if they do

[@goldmastersimulations]

Type 21 is in DotMod

[@lebigfudge]

nice video wolf, please show more of it

[@mz2288]

Top notch to watch!

[@Italianplayercvu]

I really enjoyed the SH4 campaign, i hope we might see a new one one day

[@andrewmontgomery5621]

Reminds me of the Yvechenko in Hunter Killer

[@whysosyria1]

Can you deploy the helo or us it just for show?

[@Typhoon153]

Is there a way to shut off prestige and ranks?

[@FinnishJager]

Was the background music (early minutes of the video) in-game music or a production addition?

[@Wolfpack345]

All the music is a production addition at this point :)

[@FinnishJager]

@@Wolfpack345 Poggerschamp it was epic

[@jamesTBurke]

I don't think you got hit when you were operating the iowa

[@normannobrot]

i didn't know you could control ships to? is this a mod or ?

[@Lankygit01]

Just out of curiosity where did you find this mod. I've been searching for cold Waters mods and so far have only found one that adds a lot more playable submarines

[@barbarossa1234]

Lots of moving parts here.

[@farisshaikh1026]

the kirov mod can launch helicopters

[@garnetmichel5517]

What I’d like to see next is some longer vids of surface fleet action maybe a campaign mode 🔥💯❤️‍🔥

[@Zinmar]

What mod are you running with this?

[@hogandonahue9598]

That was dope AF

[@patrickvin5176]

i need a game like this but mixed with uboat. so you can walk inside the ship

[@phoenixcompanygaming9336]

Keep up the great work 👍

[@aussiegrif8729]

That poor LA didn't stand a chance. Pretty sure every shot fired hit it. Can definitely understand why it didn't want to surface.

[@jacobraucher5350]

A series in Dot Mod using a non American NATO submarine would be neat

[@Wolfpack345]

I just did one.

[@jacobraucher5350]

@@Wolfpack345 which series is that? I watched Narwal as it came out but that is a US sub.

[@Wolfpack345]

@@jacobraucher5350 oh my bad! I missed the non American part! Haha sorry. I may do a Royal Navy playthrough eventually

[@jacobraucher5350]

@@Wolfpack345 that would be great, the royal navy is criminally underrepresented despite having excellent subs

[@Zulgurub]

Bummer at the end