so we watched Across the Spider-Verse

[@prathamdusad6892]

I really hope the box office success of this movie inspires Marvel and DC to make more animated movies, because animation is a better medium for superhero stories in my opinion.

[@leonglitch]

Agree

[@onepresence9460]

Couldn’t agree more. I would legit watch animated movies for X-Men, Fantastic Four and The Flash with a similar art style like Spider-Verse.

[@ostin6383]

they already have so many animated movies, hell dc has 3 entire universes

[@WiloPolis03]

I feel like most MCU movies nowadays are basically animated movies with live action characters lol

[@PkrJMC]

@@WiloPolis03what does this even mean

[@stephenhumphries9419]

I disagree on Hobie (i.e. british punk spider-man) I do acknowledge that most every time big 4 quadrant corp productions try to make an edgy character they blow it. But Hobie worked for me. It wasnt just words, he actually was anti-establishment. He was miles first supporter. Helped him escape spider society. Gave gwen his universe hopper bracelet thing. And i think he was on gwens revolution force at the end. His actions in the movie backed up and reinforced the characterization.

[@Lin_Eileen]

Yeah he is the catalyst for both gwen and miles growin as characters u can tell his words aren't hollow from his actions and i found his characterization really endearin and funny. I liked his mostly implied close friendship with gwen as someone who iis havin a relationship like that riht now with someone kinda showiin me the way to escape my rat race it hit home. as someone who talks with real anarchists sometimes about stuff it was pretty on point that hobie was admirin how Mayday iis such a little rebel 😅 i do get the criticism though cause even tho hobie is written well it's still comiin from this corporate place but honestly i think it's ok. it doesn't feel like it's comin from a corporate think tank, it actually feels counter culture with how hobie is directly sayin to disobey authority and the status quo

[@padenbang7375]

Problem is, if he is anti-establishment and also a nihilist, A: Why would he agree to join the "Spider Society" in the first place and B: Why would Miguel recruit such an uncooperative person for such a high stakes mission. I thought the character was sort of fun, but didn't make much sense at all.

[@MrJethroha]

@@padenbang7375 Really none of the Spider people are good rule followers, by definition they are all vigilantes following their own moral code in spite of the official authorities. Given that he seemingly has recruited hundreds or thousands of different Spidermen in a sort time, including all the ones other than Miles who were involved in the first movie, I think the bar to entry isn't very high. As for why Spider-punk joined, I assume it was to take the whole thing down from the inside. He was basically on Miles side since before Miles even knew the spider society existed.

[@WiloPolis03]

​@@padenbang7375 a) He doesn't believe in consistency, and b) I'm not into radical politics, but I don't think anarchism = no organizations

[@TheFinalSmash]

@@padenbang7375 It seems like most Spider-People don't find out about Miguel's strict rules on Canon Events until after they've experienced one - Pavitr was a member but didn't know Inspector Singh was marked for death despite being a member - so it was probably presented to Hobie as a ragtag group of likeminded people fighting the good fight. By the time he realized what it was really about, he'd already met Gwen, and he stuck around to look out for her, even though he didn't agree with the ethos. As for why Miguel would recruit him... there doesn't seem to be any bar for entry other than Miguel already disliking you. Miles and MCU Peter are on his shitlist for messing with the multiverse, but beyond that he's brought in everyone, even 1967 Spider-Man (who's mobility is severely limited by his animation style) and the Spider-Popsicle (who's... a popsicle). Despite his attitude, Hobie is a Spider-Person, and he can do things that other Spiders can't.

[@markmccallum475]

When they said it scans the spider's dna and sends you back to your home planet - it was just a throwaway line and it clicked into place when I twigged he was sent to the wrong dimension

[@shishsquared]

I felt so smart for seeing that it sent him to the wrong dimension as he was being sent

[@MegInWhispers]

it was 11/10 for me. i was 1000% enamored the entire time from start to finish. it was above and beyond my expectations and I loved every moment

[@madalenapires21]

I think it's a shame we didn't get Miguel's backstory in the movie because a lot of people are assuming he isn't a real Spider-Man beacause of his appearence. He has a different origin story from Peter Parker and Miles Morales. He has more spider DNA than the other Spider-Men which is why he has fangs and talons.

[@rinshiwell]

13:40 I thought similarly at first, but then I realised he was shown stealing things because he was making that makeshift spiderverse bracelet for Gwen. That was really cool, clever and subtle I think

[@movieruiners]

I liked the review but really felt like it could have used a cliffhanger!

[@themikx2939]

This is a 9/10 for me I was smiling from ear to ear from beginning to end watching this movie. I’ve honestly been over the multiverse as a plot device but spider-verse is one of the few films to use it effectively and not as just a cameo fest either. I can’t wait to see the trilogy conclude and hope that Miles will get some sort of spin off show or something after all of this I would love to see him do more outside of spider-verse adventures

[@cheezyfilmsproductions1842]

Rumor has it he’s being introduced in the No Way Home sequel alongside Tom

[@noonehere8416]

Absolutely stellar film, glad I knew it was a part one before going in though, first time a movie cliffhanger hasn’t disappointed me and had actually made me excited for the next film. I got out of the movie last night and wanted so badly to turn around and buy a ticket to see it again. Also it’s fantastic to see how they are still innovating in the animation space. All those animation styles worked so well in my opinion because they highlight the fact that these characters are from different worlds and I adore that

[@noonehere8416]

I also want to note that I really respected them not translating the Spanish, it made those scenes feel so much more tender, a shared moment that was not meant for me, but for these two characters alone.

[@katie-allen]

Honestly, I really hope Miguel doesn’t end up being twist evil. I think that having to work through the fact that people with good intentions can make bad choices is a way more interesting story beat to work through. The characterization of everyone was so wonderfully complex in this movie, I would hate for a complicated hero who’s lost the forest for the trees to turn into a basic twist villain who just is doing everything he’s done out of self interest. I want to have them wrestle with the complicated fact that this guy thinks he doing the right thing

[@ponfi0275]

There is no twist, he is just a villain with good intentions, like Thanos

[@vishwathayumanavan8777]

@@ponfi0275 he's not a villain he's just the antagonist of the movie bec you're rooting for miles lmao

[@ponfi0275]

@@vishwathayumanavan8777 I mean, he wants people to die, I'd say he's a villain

[@vishwathayumanavan8777]

@@ponfi0275 he doesn't want people to die, he lets them die because he thinks it's the sacrifice you need to make to keep the universe intact. stop wording it in a way that makes him seem worse than he is, he could be evil for all we know in the 3rd movie but absolutely nothing in the 2nd one CONFIRMS that theory.

[@ponfi0275]

@@vishwathayumanavan8777 "he lets them die because he thinks it's the sacrifice you need to make to keep the universe intact" You just explained being a villain, letting an infinite number of people die, preventing people from saving them. 'Evil' is subjective, but I'd say he's evil.

[@TheJadedJames]

Hot Take : I think the ending was fantastic. I’m hooked. Cliffhangers are only annoying when you don’t know if you’ll ever get off them (like reading A Dance With Dragons in 2011 & getting no resolution over a decade later). Spider-Verse 3 will be out next year. Honestly, given how massive the problem Miles is facing, it would have been a tall order for him to defeat Miquel and Spot for a neat wrap up at the point where the threat to his dad was fully established. Much like with Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi … the ending of this film won’t be a problem when all 3 films are out. People will just pop in the third movie right away, because that ending cliffhanger is just that good. I do have the nitpick that I didn’t like the allusions to the MCU, because Spider-Verse has long established that it’s universe has different rules (like the whole glitching thing). It doesn’t quite hold that this is the same Multiverse seen in Loki/Avengers Endgame/Multiverse of Madness

[@tinchosabala]

multiverse of multiverses 👍

[@ferhog7705]

Miguel is a genuine Spiderman, I believe his origin and powers are just quite different, becoming a vampire-like human/spider hybrid via a formula he stole and injected into himself, if I remember teh Spiderman: Edge of Time game correctly.

[@AK-Drakoin]

I need an entire spin off set during the Renaissance That singular scene made vulture my favorite Spider-Man villain and I need more

[@Nityakesh]

Loved the movie. It was a great experience on the big screen. Character arcs felt complex and interesting. Most importantly, the characters and the story were treated with a lot of care, love and passion. Eagerly waiting for the next part!

[@marko17242]

The sequel is actually planned to release next March

[@maefromnitw]

i doubt it won't be delayed

[@msfredb7]

I'm surprised no one talked about the occasional tiktok pacing. I really enjoyed the movie, but dang was it exhausting by moments (e.g. the mumbai part). I had trouble following the action, the fast dialog, the jokes, the new characters, etc. all at the same time. I loved the calmer moments though.

[@youknowwhoiam2771]

It’s crazy the little details you notice the second time watching before it tells you the twist at the end of him being in the wrong dimension like Rio asks Miles if him being Spider-Man was a part of comic con when comic con doesn’t exist in his universe and her reaction when he says “I wish dad was here to explain it” because he’s dead there and she’s still hurting. Little things show the love of the craft

[@realNom2mooncow]

I love how this movie has a bunch of layers to it. Like you could watch the movie and enjoy it, but on second watching you will notice further references, editorial notes in the corner, and a bunch more details like that. Also there are a couple points that seem like plot holes at face value, but actually give you hints about what's going to happen in the next movie and the real rules of the spiderverse (probably). I think that it should've been made more obvious how wrong Miguel was in this movie, because it might seem abrupt if they just drop that he's wrong for some reason(but they could do it well, by establishing that he had confirmation bias once he believed canon events were what ended universes)

[@realNom2mooncow]

Oh and also a final note is that I agree with what Nadia said early on that this multiverse actually has a message instead of just being a cool plot device that lets you see alternate versions of characters. (the message is that trauma shouldn't be enforced and an answer to the question: "does trauma make you a better person?" No.)

[@realNom2mooncow]

as well kinda nice to have a movie with emotional moments and every single scene being better than the humor instead of the other way around where the humor is good but the story is not (also I really liked the humor of this movie, only 2-4 jokes didn't land for me)

[@realNom2mooncow]

also also also also fucking also I really enjoyed the sudden cliffhanger, I did not know that it was a part one and my theater (even 2 weeks after release) had everybody shockedly whispering to each other about everything that happened. It was fun to be seated there in the theater theorizing quickly and thinking about the future after such a great movie, especially because of how much of a cliffhanger it ends on (the music is soooo good (called "start a band)). But it definitely could be a turn off if you were expecting something different.

[@sdlstr91]

Guys, the sequel comes out next March.

[@merck__]

Saw this last night and I'm about to be insufferable about this movie for the next year

[@TPNsBiggestFan]

im still insufferable about it

[@DariMan001]

I think Hobbie’s portrayal as an anarchist is meant to be slightly satirical - the wtiters are teasing people who are like that but also accepting them

[@maefromnitw]

but i feel like it being satire would be a disservice to hobie's character, and punk culture as a whole

[@iaani_]

Apparently the third one releases in March next year, which isn't bad at all.

[@Tamacat388]

The directors have all but outright said that release date wont happen. And Gwens actors has said she hasnt recorded anything for Beyond yet but spent 4 years recording for this one on and off.

[@Blueybeak]

@@Tamacat388 source

[@maefromnitw]

unlikely. a bunch of artists for the movie have said there's no way they will have it done by that date

[@maefromnitw]

​@@Blueybeak do you have access to google

[@Blueybeak]

@@maefromnitw The directors never said that a march release date wouldn’t happen, it came from a single animator

[@sampuffer8099]

1:50 You’re in luck, Sony has confirmed a live-action Miles Morales movie!

[@maefromnitw]

im late to this but, I dont think miguel (spiderman in charge) is gonna be a twist villain, and i honestly dont think i would like if he was. he has such a compelling story already, and i think him being an actual bad guy would undo a lot of why hes so great. i prefer him being a morally gray antagonist who has good intentions but might be misguided, especially since we already have the spot, who is closer to a traditional villain. theres also the fact that miguel has the same powers in this movie as he does in the comics, and theres an explanation for why theyre different there. though i suppose they could change that detail for the movie, if theyre trying to make him a twist villain. but if that is their plan, maybe theyll surprise me and do it well😅

[@SnargGloof]

Spider-Verse has a hyphen, just like Spider-Man #respectthehyphen r/respectthehyphen

[@womancarryingman]

you're right - thanks!

[@SnargGloof]

@@womancarryingman lmao I didn't think you'd change it

[@breadguyyy]

​@@SnargGloof we did it reddit

[@kaladinstormblessed8470]

imo this film is a masterpiece

[@Alicehad3cats]

I went in not knowing there will be third movie, and as movie went on, I started getting worried “how will they wrap it up”. So, I actually was relieved realizing it was a part 1. Otherwise, I loved it. What an amazing movie full of innovative animation, beautifully written characters, and clearly palpable passion for the story.

[@seaofsalt3505]

I really hope the quality remains the same even with the writer's strike. I saw problems in it that many modern media projects have, including main character shifts. This wasn't as much of a problem for me, as miles still gets the spotlight mostly. I hope they keep up the quality and learn from Hollywood's mistakes. The plot twist is a great example of that, as the story is well crafted, something rarer and rarer nowadays. If they keep this up it may join the exclusive pantheon of perfect trilogies if the keep going like this. I really hope they do.

[@maefromnitw]

i don't see main character shifts as a problem, especially not in this movie

[@onepresence9460]

I rarely give movies a 10/10 or 5 stars (Like a Stanley Kubrick or a Quentin Tarantino movie). I feel Across the Spider-Verse is one of those rare movies that deserves 5 stars imo.

[@snoopmarkiemark9404]

I need water

[@artvandelay6711]

u alright?

[@downspiral]

But won't Miles tearing out the entire multiverse just obliterate everything including the truth about Miguel? If it was true is it supposed to make the stakes any less there?

[@darthelooi8021]

I was pleasantly surprised, high 6 / low 7 for me which is much more than what I would get. I few parts here and there that I didn’t like but liked Gwen and Miles a lot and think there’s a good conclusion to be made. Looked stunning as well.

[@TomsThoughtsonThings]

[no spoilers] i feel like im the only person who thinks into the spider-verse (2018) is a masterpiece that this sequel, due to a bunch of decisions on the premise, had no hope of equaling. the screenplay is sprawling, lacking the focus on character arcs and themes. additionally, as a miles comics fan, it frustrates me to no end that, to the public, he's now a multiverse character who isn't allowed to stay in his brooklyn. and it feels really shitty that miles is only allowed to exist in side spider-man movies where literal animals are also spider-man [mild spoilers] every time a live action element is on screen, the movie loses the singularity that saved it from the sony shitshow of, say, venom. and why the hell do they take time in the middle of a fight scene to reference no way home? extreme franchise nonsense, and part of this movie refusing to stand alone; even as it's own story, the movie fails to complete itself, or even have miles learn anything all that being said, it's a visual upgrade of the first (when the only elements on screen are animated, which is not 100% of the long film). everyone's already talking about the impressionistic runny watercolors, but i don't see enough people talking about how hard it must have been to get spider-punk's style right without being unreadable. it's still very much worth seeing and ill certainly see it again, i just obviously have a lot of thoughts and feelings about my expectations for a sequel to into the spider-verse (2018)

[@sinoroman]

see y'all reviews in 2024/2025

[@IIHooch]

if they woulda marketed it as part 1 more and put it in the title, it wouldn't have been as bad an ending but they didnt and it sucked

[@padenbang7375]

Only way to describe this movie is "Manic". From the screenplay to the directing, to the pacing, to the visuals. Liked some aspects of it. The spot was good, even if they seemed to foget about him for the 2nd have of the movie. Miles continues to be endearing. Miguel seemed ok. Hate what they did to Peter B Parker. Thought the family dynamics felt forced and unnecessary. Miles escaping from 1000 spider people was grossly contrived. The twist was predictable. Overall 5/10 for me. Liked the first movie much more

[@tostupidforname]

SPOILER: One aspect that I don't think they will expand on but hope they do is the fact that miles is undoubtedly the bad guy. So i hope they don't just bullshit wave this away.

[@aidanreed4255]

He isn’t though. Miguel’s theory is flawed and I’m sure the next one will make that clear.

[@tostupidforname]

@@aidanreed4255 Even if miguel is wrong, given the information miles had he did choose his own dad over potentially destroying the multiverse. I really hope they don't just handwave that since miles is CLEARLY in the wrong and it would be a much more interesting thing to have him accept reality than be stubborn and succeed.

[@seaofsalt3505]

​@@tostupidfornamewhich is a perfectly reasonable choice under the circumstances. He's a kid who's always had problems with authority, who's being pushed away by his friends, and is then put in an impossible choice. His choice makes sense on the context of the movie, and whether or not the cannon event happens, every choice he makes, makes sense for his character. He's not a villain, he's a character pushed to the breaking point and decides to do what fate seems to be pushing him to do.

[@tostupidforname]

@@seaofsalt3505 Call it villian or not doesnt matter. I agree that his choice makes sense in context of his character but that is not what i was saying.I was saying that it would be disappointing if the third movie let the main character get away with a really selfish and, given his knowledge in this situation, immoral choice.

[@seaofsalt3505]

@@tostupidforname once again, Miguel's theory is stated that it's not proven, and because of that and a good knowledge of Hollywood tropes, we know it's not correct. So it doesn't really matter. His choice isn't immoral, it's just wrong in the 'supposed' premise. He's being asked to trade someone he's spent his life knowing, or a theoretical infinity of people he doesn't know. I'm sure you'd make the same choice.