Women Pastors and LGBTQ Inclusion

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[@dougmilesmedia]

A church cannot choose which sins to allow.

[@Brucev7]

John 5:14 “Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” John 8:11

[@lauralee3337]

@@Brucev7 You seem to be following Moses, not Jesus. Romans 3:28 King James Version 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

[@Brucev7]

@@lauralee3337 Those are the words of Jesus

[@lauralee3337]

@@Brucev7yes. Those are the words of Jesus on earth ministering to Jews (Matthew 15:24 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel). Paul gives the testimony and ministry of the risen king when the gentiles are brought into the fold. And Paul is clear that it is all about faith. The Jews were all about traditions of men. Just like most the commenters here.

[@Brucev7]

@@lauralee3337 You're not making any sense

[@Daniel-id6le]

I agree with you Dr. Mohler. No to women pastors, elders and bishops!

[@osks]

Of course, what Al Mahler of you or I or anyone else for that matter believe, counts for zip! All that matters (whether we like/dislike/agree/disagree) is what God and His revelation says on such matters… Ultimately, it is God who is the measure, not only on theological things, but on ALL things that actually matter…

[@pastorbri]

No to homophobic ministers more so

[@pastorbri]

@@osks yes and God hates homophobia and sexism

[@osks]

@@pastorbri What gives you the right to speak for God? Appealing to the stone is a vacuous response to anything - so, what is your Biblical warrant for what you’re saying?

[@pastorbri]

@@osks well What gives you the right to speak for God? I only go off Gods word and suggest u do unless u speak for men?

[@oldbird-zm8qt]

Same thing happened to us Anglicans. Once the "who cares about scripture, we're 'doin it" argument worked the first time, it got used over and over.

[@matt76716]

Yes, that right. The same process of giving in to society and ignoring scripture is now ruining the Church of England.

[@pastorbri]

homophobics have always done this

[@somethingtothinkabout167]

Remember a discussion with a guy 30 years ago about how the arguments for women pastors would be used to justify LGBT inclusion.

[@conceptualclarity]

They have been. The arguments for blessing the Left's favorite sin have very closely followed the template of the arguments for rejecting biblical female subordination.

[@pastorbri]

well sexism and homophobia are sin filled lifestyles

[@pastorbri]

@@conceptualclarity we should never bless the rights homophobia

[@conceptualclarity]

The idea that there is a "sin" of "hxmxphxbia" is a preposterous contemporary invention.

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@jamestrotter3162]

But, but, but, don't confuse me with the facts of Scripture! I know what I "feel"! Facts don't care about "feelings". And the word of God is firm and unchanging.

[@Brucev7]

John 5:14 “Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” John 8:11

[@pastorbri]

but homophobics always go off their feelings of hate

[@pastorbri]

@@Brucev7 if only homophobics would go sin no more

[@Hesuku]

I think Western feminism encouraged the sins of homosexuality and gender confusions. One disobedience (female ordination and female leadership over men in spiritual matters) led to another, things far deadlier in each step. May the Lord Jesus remove the lampstand if they don't repent. (Rev. 2:5)

[@HereIam-rg3vy]

Try not to think then 😂

[@pastorbri]

no as homophobia can never be justified.

[@pastorbri]

@@HereIam-rg3vy wish homophobics would stop thinking. It just causes issues

[@Hesuku]

@@pastorbri Homophobia is humanity's natural reaction to sick sexual depravity. The unnatural West must stop ordering around mankind. Today's Western culture is sick.

[@Hesuku]

@@pastorbri Homophobia is humanity's natural reaction to abnormal sexual depravities. Perverted Western culture must never define what is right and wrong for mankind. Read the Holy Bible and repent sins.

[@osks]

In the last days there will be be men who have the appearance of godliness, but who deny its power… men who oppose the truth and who are corrupted in mind… men who are disqualified regarding the Faith Avoid such people They will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all… - 2 Timothy 3:1-9 (paraphrased)

[@tomsanders5584]

"The United Methodist Church -- When finding your identity in Christ just isn't enough."

[@user-fq9ij4we4r]

This UMC doesn't seem to be so united.

[@colinmeehan791]

Same here in Australia,if you ignore Scripture you are NOT Christian.

[@pastorbri]

so homophobics are not christians, thought so

[@joseywales9726]

sbc is not far behind...

[@glassmw9823]

Nah, let’s keep disfellowshipping unbiblical churches, church discipline is a wonderful thing.

[@rogerledlow4970]

It is against scripture. Period.

[@sedrox]

Jesus is the “period” at the end of the sentence, not scripture. Jesus said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.” Before scripture was, Jesus is, and Jesus always will be, even after scripture passes on. When Jesus healed on the Sabbath, he moved the “period” on scripture. That angered the Pharisees. Who was correct? My hope and prayer is that he will show more mercy to us than we have shown to others.

[@pastorbri]

Bigotry is against scripture

[@pastorbri]

@@sedrox if only homophobics knew Jeus

[@anastasiaburr3959]

Dr Mohler, please address Park Street Church, Boston which, for 33 years now has had women elders and women pastors! I first went there two years ago, hoping it was the church I had attended 40 years ago only one day, only to learn that they had been going this route for so many years! I was very disappointed and discouraged because there are very few churches within a reasonable distance for me to be able to attend! I thought if THIS CHURCH HAS compromised a truth which is so clear in the Bible, why should I be surprised about those which had compromised it much, much earlier! I praise my God for leading me to a Reformed Baptist church which happens to be close to my home address!, and which I was not aware of!

[@caman171]

so u traded women pastors for a Reformed Baptist church?? these so called "Reformed Baptists" have torn aprt 3 churches around me with lying about what they believe to get the job. my church had over 2000 members, and my pastor was responsible for bring Luther Rice seminary to atlanta. the new pastor aster him lied, then dissolved the deacons, appointed his own "elders" and did away with congregational rule. he said we needed to be "Reformed". not sadly the Glenwood Hills Baptist Church which so strongly preached the Gospel, doesn even exist. they got down to 50 members, sold the property and the "Reformed" elders split the money. if u wanna be Reformed, go to a Presbyterian church, at least they dont lie

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@marshamagic8551]

Left the umc..

[@glassmw9823]

The UMC left you and the faithful, at least in the US

[@marshamagic8551]

We went to global Methodism..

[@maskofsorrow]

Come out from among them and be ye separate says the Lord. Christ has no communion with Belial.

[@jonathanwyse5271]

Just don't forget Dr. Mohler, this stuff is alive and well in the SBC too and they're coming in force for women pastors this year.

[@terryjames2229]

A lot of the conservative Pastors will leave Sbc and go independent. We own our churches and are independent! Who needs theSbc?

[@aarvig]

I am convinced, as we see what modern Christianity is becoming, that the true church of Christ will be called out of religion all together. What is happening in ALL churches right now was prophesied as "the great falling away." There will come a time (as it always should have been) when the true followers of Christ will worship Him in spirit and truth and not in a church beholden to a denomination.

[@davidward5225]

A classic case of what a little compromise can lead to

[@UCGRaleigh]

This reasoning should also be applied to the 4th commanment (as originally written)

[@jimmyclay9316]

The greatest life lesson ever: "The change came very slowly, until it came very fast" America is Rome just before the Mongols came riding down main Street. Listen closely and we can hear Nero sawing away on his fiddle.

[@williamtoney2599]

Does it look like to you that very few people use hermeneutical skills any more or is it that they would rather be politically correct ?

[@dan69052]

this is correct If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@Dranma51]

Anyone can turn the scriptures around to fit their narrative! 😔

[@pastorbri]

as homophobics prove

[@roywarner9807]

When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, I'm sure the UMC and all it's members will be classified as goats.

[@pastorbri]

homophobics will be classed as mates of satan

[@annelarrybrunelle3570]

Here is a concept: Teach us what the Bible says! And I suggest that the Bible teaches us enough about how God identifies and qualifies our church leaders so that we may recognize them. Indeed, this tells us a good deal about church polity. But in any case, churches in trouble almost invariably have issues of godly leadership; there is something unscriptural about who is in charge or how such men handle the oversight. Or both. Closely read I Timothy, Titus, I Peter, Ephesians, and even Acts 6, where we find the first deacons. See what the initial qualifications are set forth there for the "mere" servants. Elders/bishops/pastors have even more requirements. (And, BTW, note that such men are usually referred to in the plural, and further note that even Paul did not work alone.) The collection of Bible doctrine regarding ecclesiology is not huge, but it is important to tend to diligently because errors here can so easily undermine sound teaching on all doctrine. And even when we read the Great Commission, it is not a command to the church only to evangelize, but also to teach the whole counsel of God to those evangelized.

[@kristopherhayes1957]

While I do agree with a complementarian position I do recognize that this is a bit of a secondary issue. While I understand that all progressive christians have egalitarian views not all egalitarians are necessarily progressive christians. It is more that people are not familiar with the research and views that are involved with the complementarian vs egalitarian debate. Whereas progressive christians are usually redefining terms, unclear about what they believe or outright say they don't believe in certain ideas, which causes confusion for everyone.

[@conceptualclarity]

I agree. However among Baptists and Presbyterians egalitarianism is a clear marker for compromised regard for scripture. For them it is an off-ramp from orthodoxy as Wayne Grudem has observed.

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@kristopherhayes1957]

@@dan69052 isn't that kinda jumping the gun a bit?

[@gramps5157]

The mistake of installing women as pastors opened the door for every sinful disobedient group to gain a foot hold in the Church.

[@dan69052]

truth based on knowledge no dogma If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

You could perhaps put this more succinctly. But yes.

[@robertharryjr]

You’re SBC

[@lorenzell3104]

Umc has signed its own death warrant. ELCA has predicted it will be out of business in 30 years or so. UMC will follow the same path.

[@phillipkuhlman7468]

do u have a crystal ball?

[@ryanhart3159]

This is what happens when the Church says what goes instead of the word of God!!! The word of God is our final authority NOT a pastor or the church!!! They need to repent immediately and trust the real Jesus of scripture instead of the false idol they’ve made!! God says the way it is to be NOT man!!!

[@pastorbri]

yes homophobics talk for God and fail

[@peterjermey7235]

Not sure the SBC actually has a rule that men who are attracted to other men cannot be pastors? The UMC was actually far more anti gay than most denominations before they lifted this ban.

[@caman171]

what is written on paper, does not always equate to what is practiced. the UMC has had churches that are predominantly gay for 40 years. while the pastor may not have been gay, all the other leaders are like at st marks UMC in atlanta.

[@peterjermey7235]

@@caman171 the prohibitions they removed date from 2019 only.

[@caman171]

@@peterjermey7235 the prohibition of gay clergy was a policy from the 1970's, and the statement that "homosexuality is incompatible with Christin teaching also is from the 70's. What prohibitions are you speaking of from 2019?

[@peterjermey7235]

@@caman171 I maybe wrong but I understood they changed the policy from a ban on sexually active gay clergy to simply be a ban on anyone admitting attraction to the same sex and also added a restriction to sanction ministers who preside over SSMs.

[@caman171]

@@peterjermey7235 well it is true that the language regarding SSM's is fairly recent, because its only been the last few years that it has even been legal.. However, I dont think charges were filed against pastors who performed SSM' except for 5 times, and they were found "innocent". in most jurisdictions, the bishops just refused to enforce church law. like i said, whats written on paper has nothing to do with reality. as far as the SBC having a ban, it is the opposite from the UMC. theres no ban on paper, but in practice there is a ban. i have no problem with a gay celibate man being a pastor. if someone has the strength to be alone and live their life for God, knowing many people will talk behind their backs, then they have more faith than most married men. the apostle Paul was a single man, and God used him just fine

[@matt76716]

Have to say, I agree with this. That is where the rot started, and it has happened elsewhere as well. Once society starts to decide truth, and it's views are taken more seriously than the bible, the church is in deep trouble and the rot has started.

[@pastorbri]

never side with homophobics

[@caman171]

not saying I dont agree with what is stated here, BUT the Methodists have been ordaining women since 1788. Not sure that all the facts stated here are true. When the pentecostal movement started, it was basically a movement cause by wesleyan theology, ("a second work of grace evolved into a second experience of baptism of the Spirit etc) and the pentecostals like the Assemblies of God and Church of God have been ordaining women from the very start. I dont agree with female pastors, but if the SBC is gonna tolerate "Reformed" churches to be a member who dont even make converts be baptized by immersion, the the very foundation of us being Baptist is gone anyway.

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@Harleywindtherapy]

Old testament: God said no to anything perverted - Leviticus 18. New testament; Jesus said he did not come to change " one jot or tittle if the law" Good enough for me 100%. Besides... how are all these people gonna gonna stand before Almighty God and tell the creator of ALL things...that He made a mistake! Yeah... good luck with that.

[@tonilynch7872]

Please do not call them a church. The church is the body of Christ and follows its head- Jesus. Jesus died for these sins. The sins have been put to death but these people are resurrecting them. Opposing Jesus. Going against the work of the cross and his resurrection . They are not disciples of Jesus but their own desires/culture etc Roman 1:18 onwards is very clear.

[@pastorbri]

yes homophobic church's are not a church

[@princybella5386]

If your not United Methodist..Then worry about yourself and your Church you,ll answer to JESUS for that not for them.

[@bonniegettingthrumyday2866]

Nope nope

[@harryturner4255]

This is like comparing apples to oranges. Women as pastors is a cultural issue not sin. Homosexual relations and marriage is a moral issue and is sin. I was raised in and pastored in a strong evangelical church that from it's beginning allowed for women pastors. They still haven't compromised on the issue of homosexuality. It is still called sexual sin.

[@pastorbri]

no homophobia is a sin

[@dan69052]

is itreally a sin ?? read on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@conceptualclarity]

Attempts to provide supposed biblical rationale for disregarding instructions for women in the local church including women serving as pastors have served as a template for the efforts to provide purported biblical justification for homosexual relationships. The same emphasis on ancient manners and customs rendering didactic NT passages understandable only to a small clique of seminary professors with very specialized knowledge. (Compare the Reformation doctrine of the perspicuity of scripture.) The same appeal to misconstrued anecdotes in non-didactic passages to overrule the clear teachings of didactic passages. The same bogus assertions that Greek words in the New Testament have been horribly mistranslated for 2 millennia and in all of our current English versions. The same use of passages like Gal 3:28 setting forth broad principles to nullify very specific teachings of other passages. The same insistence upon using "lenses" for allegedly interpreting scripture.

[@pastorbri]

are bisexual relationships ok as no one mentions them

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@pastorbri]

@@dan69052 u will have lost on the homophobic minds sadly

[@moonshoes11]

God made slavery permissible by his own laws. Owning another person as property is immoral, as it violates free will and promotes harm.

[@dan69052]

promote truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@markkallstrom5672]

Just yesterday for the first time I listened to Albert Mohler , I like what he says !

[@ThisBloke760]

Jesus said I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Therefore if hell does overcome an institution then it’s obviously not a church Jesus built.

[@samtinsley483]

We Baptists is on the same pathetic path.

[@pastorbri]

homophobia is a pathetic path

[@phillipkuhlman7468]

you is?

[@phillipkuhlman7468]

you is?

[@pastorbri]

@@phillipkuhlman7468 we must pray for homophobics

[@pastorbri]

@@phillipkuhlman7468 you is what?

[@user-pe1zs2pn4n]

People need to read God’s word and take it for what it says not for what they want to mean. This man is correct.

[@pastorbri]

homophobics can't do that

[@buckyoung4578]

You have a multitude of sins going on here. First, when you do not conform your beliefs to the clear teachings of the Bible, you are in sin. This "feel good" Gospel is the sin of not teaching the full counsel of God. God is love and God is holiness and righteousness all together. He is not just love. God hates sin no matter the size or type. Jesus said to even LOOK upon your neighbor with anger in your heart is sin. So, ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But, the true Christian acknowledges this and repents. The non-Christian can put on the label of Christian and be wallowing around in sin. Also, those that side with sin are guilty of the sin themselves Timothy 5:22"...do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure." Also, see Luke 13:3 and 13:5. The clear teaching of the Bible is women are to silent in the church. Once you have allowed women elders/et al or certainly women in the pulpit you have fallen into apostacy. Since these false teachers consider themselves "oppressed", they side with any and all sin as long as the sin/sinner is considered "oppressed".

[@robertharryjr]

So, you think you are God. I don’t think so 😮

[@caminandoensuverdad]

PASTORS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO TEACH THE WORD OF GOD. He (God) gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. (Ephesians 4:11-12 ESV)

[@NC-vz6ui]

I agree with you. The issue is not really about gay people. It is about challenging Patriarchy which seeks to control and dominate.

[@pastorbri]

never agree with homophobics

[@jamesdaniel1376]

Sorry, Dr. Mohler, but the scripture is very clear if you read it without injecting your biases into it. Paul, in just one chapter of Romans, commends Phebe, a female deacon im the church at Cenchrea, Junia, a woman that he says is an apostle and Prisca who works with her husband as a ministry team. Equating women ministers with a sinful lifestyle clearly condemned by the Bible is just wrong.

[@jeremymead8546]

You are quite right but also wrong. Deacons were instituted for the distribution of welfare support, being part of a ministry team is not the same as leading or controlling it, and we are all called to evangelism. Paul was also very specific about the qualifications for Elders and even more specific that women could not have teaching authority over men in church. None of what he describes in Romans, contradicts his teaching concerning Elders or doctrinal authority. Neither does Dr Mohler equate women ministers with a sinful lifestyle. What he said in this clip was that indulging in eisegesis in one part of scripture undercuts your ability to resist the same by other people with respect to other parts of scripture.

[@dan69052]

right on Rerad on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@jeremymead8546]

​@dan69052 two things 1, the Bible does not say being same sex attracted ( homosexual ) is a sin. It is very clear that the practice/action of homosexual sex is a sin, equally it is against anal intercourse male male or male female, likewise beastiality. But then it's also against the misuse of heterosexual sex when practiced in the wrong context. 2, Where you are mistaken is the idea that "being born that way " makes something all right. Humans are liars, cheats, murderers, pedophiles, greedy, violent, selfish. We are also born with physical faults, be they genetic or congenital . Holes in the heart, missing or deformed limbs, immune systems that attack our own bodies. We have laws against behaviour that comes completely natural to us, we have vast medical resources devoted to dealing with physical and mental pathologies/ problems that we are part of how we are made (born). The question arises, given how much effort we put into curbing very natural human behaviour and correcting the way we are born ( physical and mental ) why are so many people so fixated on sex that they deny the abnormality and undesirable nature of homosexuality. It is after all a major genetic failure ( ie it works against reproduction ) that or some kind of self cleaning system where undesirable genotypes are excluded from the gene pool going forward.

[@jamesdaniel1376]

@@jeremymead8546 Paul is clear, but not on the side you want him to be in support of. First, a deacon, diakonos in Greek, is a minister or more literally, a servant, over a given ministry. That can be a benevolence ministry, but there is no written rule that limits the position to that function. Paul's requirements for a deacon in 1 Timothy 3 are virtually the same as those for a pastor which reinforces the authority of this position which properly serves under a group of elders, one of which is the pastor. Since Paul commends Phebe as an elder in the church at Cenchrea, and he specifies that she is a woman, if he truly means to disqualify women from ministry, we have a serious problem. The problem is with the reading of the text. The custom in Koine Greek is to use the masculine when addressing a group made up solely of men and the feminine when addressing a group exclusively composed of females, however, when addressing a mixed group, custom said you revert to the masculine, just as you would have in English up into about the 1980s when English teachers started pushing for gender inclusive language. Following their rules of grammar takes the conflict out of Paul's actions in commending Phebe and using the masculine to describe the qualifications for a pastor (elder or overseer; Paul uses two different terms for the same position depending on whether he's talking to Greeks or Hebrews). Now, on the issue of women keeping silent in the church from 1 Corinthians 14:34, if you go back to chapter 11, Paul clearly gives permission for women to speak in the church service as prophets or in praying, so, unless Paul is unstable, he cannot be issuing a blanket proposition. The context of the next verse would suggest that he is speaking to spiritually immature women who are being unintentionally disruptive by askkng their husbands to explain things in the teaching that they don't understand during the service. Paul tells them to wait until they get home to get clarification. What I find odd is that the churches that grab this verse out of context ignore the rest of the chapter in giving proper etiquette for prophesying or speaking in tongues which those same churches mostly deny as relevant for today being cessationist. Finally, the 1 Timothy 2:12 prooftext that so often gets quoted as proof positive that women are to be forever silenced within the community of the church, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. First, in verse 8 of that chapter, we have a word to the men which calls for men every where to pray with holy hands uplifted towards God. Now, if the prohibition against women is a universal requirement, then why don't those who cite the verse to condemn women not practice the admonition to men and require uplifted hands in prayer? If one is universal, then the other must be as well. We know from our previous texts that Paul has no problem with women speaking words of prophecy out loud for thdme edification of the church under the power of the Holy Spirit. The problem here is a mistranslation of the text. The Greek word Paul chose was gyne which has a couple of translation possibilities. It can be translated as woman as the KJV translates it, but it can also (and is more often) be translated as wife. Likewise, the word used in this verse, aner, can be translated as man or as husband. The more proper translation of the verse would thus be, I would not allow a wife to teach [her husband] nor to exercise authority over her husband. This eliminates the conflicts the KJV translation creates with Paul's other words and his actions. The problem us that this issue has become more about emotional attachment to a bad doctrine than about molding theology to the Bible texts and preserving the unity of Scripture. It's the modern day equivalent of the Traditions of the Pharisees that Jesus and Paul fought so hard against in their day.

[@lauralee3337]

Did your mother not love you? Having trouble with the ladies maybe? And why do you think hatred is an acceptable sin but homosexuality is not? Did Jesus only die for you self righteous people so now you get to pick who goes to heaven?

[@jamestrotter3162]

The Lord Jesus decides who goes to heaven and He decided a long time ago that those who engage in homosexuality will not inherit the Kingdom of God-1st Cor. 6:9-10. He not only condemns it, He incinerated all the homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah. " Even though you already know this, I wish to remind you that Jesus, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, later on destroyed those who did not believe. The angels who did not keep their first domain but deserted their own dwelling place, He has also kept in darkness and eternal chains for the judgement of the great Day. Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the cities around them had given themselves over to sexual immorality and unnatural relations in the same way as these angels. They are presented as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire."-Jude vs. 5-7.

[@dwaynemathias3834]

It's not about "ladies", it's about God's rules. If you can change 1 rule then you can change them all.

[@lauralee3337]

Jesus will not accept your good works and efforts to sin less as payment to get into heaven. We are saved and justified by faith alone. Jesus died for all sins once and just wants our faith. Romans 3:19 - 22 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that BELIEVE, for there is no difference.

[@lauralee3337]

@@dwaynemathias3834We have been pulled out of the law. If you are commandment keeping and following rules you are practicing Judaism, Christianity. Romans 3:28 King James Version 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law

[@lauralee3337]

You are practicing Judaism not Christianity

[@dansaber5853]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@jamestrotter3162]

Jesus Christ disagrees with you from Genesis to Revelation.

[@dansaber5853]

@@jamestrotter3162 wrong. I'm sure you're a decent person

[@jamestrotter3162]

@@dansaber5853 wrong, and if you believe you can be lgbt and Christian, then you're not a decent person.

[@jamestrotter3162]

@@dansaber5853 Wrong, I'm a Christian who stands on the word of God without compromise. If you believe that one can be lgbt and a Christian, then you're not a decent person.

[@dansaber5853]

@@jamestrotter3162 I'm sorry to hear you say that. Unfortunately only a non-religious person could find no fault in Christ recognize the Messiah and have any hope of calling themselves a Christian. You're more like the people that wanted him crucified than you are like Jesus. And what is Christ-like is what's rejected by religious people for not following their religious rules. Therefore you make LGBT people like Christ. I find no fault with the LGBT whatsoever. What have they done? What say you?