Worf askes Gowron to restore his family honour Redemption pt1 S4 E26

[@Kalenz1234]

Gowron was such a politician. He had sweet words and always asks for more but never gives. Martok was a true warrior and honourable friend.

[@MaddMaverick5k]

No shit bro, Preach.

[@Don-ol8ze]

I seem to recall him giving Quark his life. Just saying.

[@Romulan2469]

He gave Worf back his honor. What are you talking about?

[@Kalenz1234]

Are you drunk?@@Romulan2469

[@danieldickson8591]

@@Romulan2469When Gowron had something to gain from doing so.

[@richardlebreton6690]

we didn't realize at the time how this was the perfect example of Gowron and Worf's relationship. Gowron always having an excuse why he can't help Worf just yet but always benefiting from Worf's actions and Star Fleet connections.

[@brandoncraig2321]

"I believe you to be honorable" *Kills him on DS9*

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

well ... first impressions can fail you sometimes

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

People can change over time.

[@IAmTheAce5]

He was, even unto his end. It's just he was also selfish and shortsighted, risking the war effort and the Alpha Quadrant's survival, just to discredit Martok, a rival in his own eye. Alas, in the Empire, acting selfishly in this way is a perfectly honorable way to serve one's Royal House, unless Worf and Martok manage to foster some changes...

[@MDE_never_dies]

Worf the Kingmaker. He helped Gowron achieve the Chancellorship, and later on he took it away, only to give it to Martok.

[@danieldickson8591]

Worf could have ruled, and probably should have. He was the noblest Klingon of his era. But I think he only ever wanted to serve in a worthy cause.

[@MDE_never_dies]

@@danieldickson8591 That's the problem, the best turn away from power and the worst strive for it.

[@technology5979]

I do love that even Gowron was clearly horrified to find that the Council was complicit in such a disgrace... Although come to think of it, he may have seen that as Duras' family having even more connections than he thought.

[@danieldickson8591]

I believe, as the saying goes, Gowron's heart was Klingon. But his years in power changed him for the worse.

[@MrHalohunter24]

Worf: "I believe you to be an honorable man." Also Worf: *Wrecks Gowron's shit*

[@mckinleymac3452]

Close, but "wrecks" is the correct word.

[@MrHalohunter24]

@@mckinleymac3452 God damn auto correct lol. Fixed it.

[@mckinleymac3452]

@@MrHalohunter24 Ohhh yeah, that's happened to me a gazillion times :-)

[@michaelt2974]

I liked it when Gowron acted honorably like here. He soon restores worf’s honor. Then they ruined it by turning him into just a stock villain at the end

[@Don-ol8ze]

I agree. That was character assassination - the Gowron who led the Empire through TNG and saved Quark from being murdered was not the same character who sacrificed Klingon lives needlessly and risked losing a crucial war all over petty jealousy and paranoia. I like DS9, but their handling of Gowron's end was really poor writing - if the character changed that much, the audience needed to see how/why.

[@Swarm509]

@@Don-ol8ze The problem is they didn't flesh it out well enough. If they had shown that acting as Chancellor had began to twist him, change him in a better way due to internal politics or the war or maybe even a hereditary issue, it would of made more sense. We have seen leaders start off on way and change over time. He could of been putting up a front and power/leadership changed him. Or it could be a Caligula style thing where he was always crazy and it finally starting to come out/crack him. They were trying to cover a lot at the end of the series so maybe he is just a victim of that.

[@highstimulation2497]

would 'have' made more sense. "Would've" is a contraction of the words would and have, and yes, there wasn't time. They said if they had had (not of had, had had) twelve additional episodes, they could have used them.)

[@danieldickson8591]

I have to disagree to some extent. I agree that Gowron's descent could have been made clearer. But right after his ascension to power, when he started claiming all the credit for his victory over the Duras family, showed him to be a political schemer. His display of respect to Quark cost him nothing.

[@antilarge7860]

Gowron was correct and Worf must have already assumed/known what Gowron told him. I love this part in Worfs character arc because it ties in all the way through DS9.

[@Kilroy_5150]

An honorable Klingon carries the weight for an ungreatful empire.....

[@Wenchework]

Romulan fan here but Gowron,Martok,Sirella and Grilka was one of my fave carecters as they gave more insite i to the politic and family of klingons and as for Gowron not helping Worf he wanted to but if he had done it at that moment becose of his possition as well as Worfs familys reputation it would have emploded things and dispite Worf understanding some of it I dubt he fully grasped the complete things of Gowrons situation

[@albertjiminez1144]

Makes Gowron Chancellor. Unmakes Gowron Chancellor.

[@Fantasmamuerto]

ahahahha

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

Makes Martok Chancellor.

[@YNGKINGDOLO]

They knew They Fucking knew

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

0:55 I would have liked it better if Gowron had just started to momentarily smirk at the idea of Worf trying to blame Duras for his troubles, before realizing it all fit together...

[@jasonpate7900]

Worf believes Gowron is an honorable man, so he later killed him on DS9... because he was acting like a man, not a Kilngon.

[@Verbalaesthet]

Gowron was such a great character until DS9 happened ^^

[@technology5979]

He was still pretty great in DS9. He just let his power go to his head, which is pretty common. Besides, the roots of his behaviour in DS9 can be seen here.

[@Don-ol8ze]

Let's say *late* DS9. I'd argue the Gowron in "House of Quark" is consistent with his characterization in TNG. His end, however, was character assassination - the writers had him act out of character, with any justification poor at best.

[@jonreese7066]

@@Don-ol8zeI think Gowron was pretty consistent in TNG and DS9. Gowron look honorable but he never was honorable. Worf asked him to correct a wrong and while he acted shock he still refused to do what is right because it was politically dangerous since the power of the Duras family was great. Even after the Duras family and its supporters left. Worf bringing in the supporters of Kurn was not enough. Gowron wanted Star Fleet help. when he was challenged for leadership duting the civil war he stabbed the guy while Worf was trying to calm him down In a later episode, Worf learned Gowron was rewriting history claiming his genius won him the war without help from Starfleet even in house of Quark. by removing the other house he can confiscate its assets In contrast Martok welcomed Worf into his family even if it would anger Gowron

[@ronwade5646]

It's pretend, get a Life and stop following this show!

[@post-apocalypse9455]

I still do not like worf!

[@thehouseofgowron4852]

Neither do I! I have disliked him tremendously since he killed Chancellor Gowron.

[@post-apocalypse9455]

@@thehouseofgowron4852 batlh qawlu'taH.

[@whatareyoulookingat908]

Agreed...the marriage was a gross idea and the bit with Troy was pretty bad too.

[@blastermasterguy]

​@@thehouseofgowron4852 Gowron let the corruption of the High Counsel get to him and decided in order to maintain his position as Chancellor he needed to frame Martok as a coward in the eyes of the Empire. Gowron's decision nearly cost the Alpha Quadrant the war against the Dominion. Worf had no choice but to challenge Gowron. Be thankful Gowron decided to honor Worf's challenge with an honorable duel to the death and die like a warrior.

[@easygrin1127]

@@blastermasterguy it should have been Martok that killed Gowron..