Working At Google VS. Smaller Companies (as a software engineer)

[@clem]

Big thanks to Joshua for doing this, and check out the video we made on his channel here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bILSnmqZo6-WsJY

[@avivshvitzky2459]

Dear Clement, you are very inspirational! I'm dreaming of financing myself through a SAAS like you. I want to build things with a passion, stuff that also generates passive income. I hope it won't take too many projects till I hit it off.

[@clem]

@@avivshvitzky2459 The key is not to let failure deter you; keep trying with new projects, all the while learning from mistakes and listening to market feedback. Good luck!

[@miguelbarata6701]

Arent you frenchy from gaming and lifting that used to multibox in WoW?

[@indiancoder8301]

Does his company mean a service based

[@kotic007]

Thanks this was very informative! :)

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Thanks for doing this!

[@somerandomguy2776]

Thanks for sharing valuable information.........

[@TheWunder]

Subbed to both so I couldnt miss these. Good one

[@zgheibali]

big fan

[@pixel7038]

I respect both of you guys #CrossoverEpisode!!!!

[@qqq493]

Thanks for doing this guys!

[@pewdipie4566]

Random person : Hi, what's up ? Clement : I worked at GOOGLE.

[@alkanakisu4626]

accurate

[@kingenidjingeln]

#deepthroatgoogle

[@shadowbanned3136]

Not gonna lie. Working at Google is becoming less impressive by the day.

[@AM-jx3zf]

Lmao

[@boliviabba3520]

@@shadowbanned3136 it is more reachable

[@tarey05]

Clement, it appears, has lived a rather charmed work life. He's trapped into the name brand software companies' mind set. Josh is very well grounded and realistic, having survived very challenging personal and professional circumstances and is inspired to help others find good jobs. All viewers here must check out Josh's channel.

[@anantsaini]

*Clement:* I Love to Flaunt! Because I worked hard for it. *Joshua:* I am like the other 98% software engineers out there. I am humble and sexy.

[@evereststudios2347]

Josh is super sexy. Clement could keep bragging about his resume with his underbite.

[@cas818028]

20+ year veteran here. I personally have worked at some of the top companies in the world like Microsoft as well as startups with day 8 or less people. I think it is extremely important for developer's to work in all breadths of environment. As you progress in your career you will quickly find the two paths for monetary success is either in upper corporate management, which is where you diversity in working for different companies and sizes comes into play. Or going at it yourself and trying to be an entrepreneur creating your own products and services. So choose wisely on how you build your experience. Also most tech guys will not talk on how important it is to build your soft skills as well. If your a know it all over time nobody is going to want to work with you or for you. Soft skills are just as critically important as tech skills.

[@dabrownminty6893]

Avengers is the biggest crossover in history Joshua and Clément: Hold my keyboard

[@clem]

😂

[@pradipta.007]

Yaaooo

[@music82936]

@@clem ok i have a question. If i get a chance to interview in FAANG through referal or google competitions after 4-5 months of graduating (coz of last sem backlogs i didn't get a job on time , first have to clear backlogs then can apply anywhere ),and they see this that i have backlogs that's why unemployed ,will they reject me for this Very reason ??

[@Alan...]

lmfao hold my keyboard

[@someguy6075]

@@music82936 I don't know what backlog means in this case but a 4-5 month gap on your resume after graduating is not a big deal at FANG to the best of my knowledge.

[@meevc4319]

I like both these guys. I follow josh because hes very relatable, let's be honest most of us will go through Josh's experiences not Clements. But both of you have different experiences and it's great learning from the both of you!

[@rentsy3444]

you're going to marry a girl, move to Finland, then get divorced?

[@Beni-zl4bf]

So you say its nearly impossible for us here on youtube to get a job at google or facebook as a software engineer?

[@carlosb.9032]

@@Beni-zl4bf seeing as how I live in the midwest. Yes. (Ignoring the fact I work in healthcare and not computers XD)

[@meevc4319]

@@Beni-zl4bf No I said nothing like that. You said that though.

[@meevc4319]

@@rentsy3444 Maybe I'll change up the order though. Go to Finland, marry a girl, come back to U.S and get divorced.

[@SamuelBSR]

They are so different. Clement is super energetic and Josh is super calm and relaxed.

[@stevedcase]

Calm and relaxed, or depressed and humbled by it? I'm not taking a stab at Josh, I've been in his shoes and know exactly what he's talking about. To be fair, I think anyone in tech is doing better than most industries (excluding Wall Street obviously). When I took on my second job at 70K (26 y/o), I was already making more than most of my friends at the time but felt like I was so far behind the Clements of the world. Google? Pshh, no way they'd hire me. I think it really depends on what you set your goals/standards at and what you want out of life. Clement is a brilliant and interesting guy, and I love his videos/channel, but with all due respect I'd probably rather have beers with Josh.

[@xordux7]

Naruto and Sasuke 😅

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

stevedcase Wall Street? “Obviously”? Have you ever talked to any developers who work on Wall Street? Often high stress, long hours, the most demanding jobs often pay less than top tech companies and developers are 2nd to traders, fund managers, analysts, etc. A small fuck up by a single developer could cost a firm millions of dollars in a day.

[@KaviJivan]

​@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I think stevedcase was referring to investment bankers/hedge fund manager not software engineers at wall st companies, but not sure.

[@Sheikhhamiz]

@@stevedcase his parents disowned him he payed rent of his parents when he said he couldn't afford their rent his grandfather blamed him for everything

[@scuraluis]

Joshua looks a very humble person!

[@SlovoSanctum]

I've watched a few of his videos the last couple days, and I think he does have some decent insight. However, I think he comes across as incredibly salty - it sounds like he's been burned by some previous jobs.

[@esther6664]

@@SlovoSanctum I thought the same thing, he sound kind of agressive sometimes but often I can't argue with what he says because it's just the truth lol

[@cybersphere]

He's just gone down a different life path. Maybe he didn't get the same opportunities. He seems pretty competent behind an IDE. His dad was also badly burnt. Once he hit 50, nobody wanted to hire him. There are a lot of shitty IT jobs out there and Joshua does a good job of highlighting them.

[@BobbyBundlez]

lol

[@dihanmustakeem4089]

@leet hacker he isn't over throwing capitalism lmao but just stating the truth about the toxic positivity or corporate suck up culture. He's been through enough to speak on his side of experience. It's not all glitter and gold, I think that's the point Josh tries to make

[@ROFEL]

This perspective is extremely important to acknowledge. Most CS kids think that all jobs are going to be like Facebook where TC is $200k+. Then they get sad when they realize that not all CS jobs are like this, in fact MOST jobs are not like this, and then they realize that the average starting salary is usually around 50-60k.

[@CrazyMoviesLt]

Idk how it's sad to get 50k/y, in lithuania cs juniors are getting 10k/y and seniors 30k/y

[@gregbarkhamjr4308]

In my state of Kentucky, 50k a year is amazing. I’m working at a factory right now making $15 a hour so technically salaried. 32k a year, and me and my girlfriend live very happily. I can’t even imagine making $50,000

[@acyutaanime1983]

I'm a software engineer from India graduated in the year 2018 and I get 5500$ per year. :(

[@ZygimantasA]

I know a guy who went to Oxford (UK) and studied CS and he used to boast about how great the job market for him is and how rich he'd be in 5 years after graduating. Ended up at some small company in London with a mediocre salary and 12 hours shifts. I think KZbin contributes to this culture, where people think that software engineers, doctors, lawyers etc. are all rich and will be extremely successful no matter what, when reality is very very different.

[@ZygimantasA]

@@CrazyMoviesLt You can rent a big modern apartment in Lithuania for 300-500 euros a month and Lithuania isn't US or UK in general lol. No point in comparing.

[@stanislavmikheyev8767]

- I am ex google ex facebook engineer, smart, high energy, running my own company and youtube channel - 7:56

[@saipenagamuri5568]

Wow Clement vs Joshua is like first world vs third world. One is very encouraging And the other is kill me now.

[@jeffpeng1118]

this is so sad, i wonder how difficult it is to get from third world to first world since the works are pretty much similar

[@jeffpeng1118]

@CooCooWizard thats true...

[@fengliu975]

@@jeffpeng1118 If you are willing to grind code interviews for 6 months....

[@phoneix24886]

haha accurate

[@sholmes_ttyy]

third world is not based on economy, just do your research..

[@jimbob2629]

When Josh said 50k is a good starting point and then Clemente fluffed his hair that pretty much could have been the whole video trimmed in a nutshell

[@TodorescuProgramming]

it's like watching the cool rich kid versus the poor kid from single mom who's living in the basement

[@jeffie7648]

you broke my heart...............

[@AM-jx3zf]

:( I am a coder living in mom's basement

[@neptunemike]

he’s literally living in the basement right now though

[@evereststudios2347]

So accurate it felt so wrong watching this.

[@poujhit]

damm lol it was hard. but then realized Im a poor kid and it broke my heart...

[@harispapadopoulos4295]

I see your comment on Josh's video about "the Google Gold Rush" and 2 days after you come up with an entire video comparing the experience as an employer with the very same guy that made that video. What a beast.

[@blasttrash]

lmao, I am surprised that Josh even agreed to interview with Clement after Josh made video about gold rush.

[@harispapadopoulos4295]

@@blasttrash Why is that though? He's not trying to be passive agressive towards Clement, or the TechLead or anyone really. He's just saying what's up, and it's true. That's how business works and I really don't see anything wrong with that. Afterall, people make money and other people get what they want (a job at Google for example). Both sides satisfied. Josh might seem a bit aggressive on his videos but he's not toxic and I don't see anything bad with him or the way he makes his videos. It's a different, more raw, honest approach.

[@blasttrash]

@@harispapadopoulos4295 ok

[@TheDsasadsad]

I have seen it too :)

[@coder4life]

Yeah this went quick

[@andrewm69]

Hey guys just wanted to share my experience. I’m a senior engineer at a small company. My first programming job was in Minnesota and I had no college degree or experience but was making $27k salary and then $30k after 3 months. Reason I share is that some of my former coworkers have given similar numbers for their first positions

[@johncam8420]

what!? you didnt make 350k/year starting? My cousin told me its free $$$ for everyone??? Unfortunately, too many have scammed and tried to saturate the market :(.

[@sentralorigin]

wow this is the epitome of tech crossovers

[@olliec4939]

No, that would be Josh vs. Clement vs. TechLead

[@mattbanak8917]

@@olliec4939 God I would hate that video. TechLead wouldn't take it seriously at all while Clement and Josh would be asking real questions and having serious discussion.

[@aabens]

@@olliec4939 TechLead is such a troll

[@cogs11]

Damn, I follow both you guys. Not expecting a collab. Good job Josh !

[@MR3DDev]

No hate on big tech, but I gotta agree with Josh, most of those perks are made to keep you inside the company. I get to work at 6am and leave at 4pm and only work from Mon-Thu. That is my personal choice, as you can do your own schedule as long as you hit 40 hours weekly. Once I am out, I am out.

[@nicktaylor1003]

Working as a developer in finance industry, I get the feeling of my coworkers thinking im a magician. They're always so grateful and impressed when i automate a tedious task for them

[@hil449]

But we are magicians haha

[@Rhythmswithruby]

I really hope a lot more people watch this. So many people get into Computer Science because they hear about how luxurious it is to work for big tech companies, but the reality is, these companies are highly competitive and there's no guarantee you'll get into one.

[@aaronmendez9284]

Man I really liked this collab, hope we get to see more of josh on this channel! I really enjoyed watching this

[@yugen7147]

Man it's like the avg joe on the left vs. the genius elite on the right. Josh is the hero of the ppl. But all jokes aside - excellent video man. Most kids going into this field need to understand that their path is mainly going to be like Josh's path. The very few 1% will get a shot at silicon valley. It's a pipe dream for most.

[@tnikoli40]

@@rds6129 exactly. Will most people get in faang at 22? No. But spend few years at different companies and apply for a junior dev place at age 28 and if you worked on your skills there is no reason not to be able to pass interview questions. Plus you get years to make friends with someone that can put in a word for you with the hiring team

[@guntodd]

This clip makes big tech engineers sound obnoxious. Hahaha

[@Player_Zhirow]

Just this clip? Someone hasn't played Watchdogs 2, watched Silicon Valley, or some a cursory search on any of famous engineer. Most down to earth dude is Steve Wozniak. Wanna see someone that's super obnoxious? Look at a few of TechLead videos

[@var1ables854]

@@Player_Zhirow Dude it was incredible talking to the big tech peoples kids in college. THey had no idea that most jobs don't treat you as well as what their parents were getting at google, apple, oracle or any of the bay area corps.

[@someguy6075]

@@Player_Zhirow I kind of disagree on TechLead. I know he's a troll, but he knows he's a troll and everyone knows he's a troll. It's fine to think he's obnoxious but it's a very different flavor from people like Clement who take themselves very seriously, IMO.

[@Player_Zhirow]

@@someguy6075 yeah, but that's because Affluenza is actually a thing somehow. You'd think it was something the Onion would come up with.

[@Player_Zhirow]

@@var1ables854 is the same type of bubble politicians live in, they're so detached from real life they can't fathom how the rank and file live. I call it the jasmine effect, in the animated Aladdin, Jasmine can't believe how the people outside the palace are treated and living. Being affluent, it's the same thing, thoses kid have never known hardship. They have no frame of reference.

[@xXcoltyoXx]

2 of my favorite "smaller" youtubers!

[@kittieCoder]

Companies I've worked at are between the austerity of Josh's experience and the abundance of Clement's huge Google salary. I'm used to a significantly higher salary than Josh and pretty lush benefits, matching 401K/403B at 100% for the first n% of salary, some have year-end bonus of 5-10% Food in stocked break rooms but quality varies by company. I'm in the Midwest but not near Chicago. I love technology and I never get tired of learning new things. I have degrees but not in Comp Sci. I'm self-taught. In my first job, I parlayed a statistics background into getting a tech job. I've never worked at a tech company but rather, IT departments at health care, research, and a court system.

[@Gr8thxAlot]

Non-coast, Fortune 500 tech work is a happy medium. Salary is comparable to FAANG adjusted for cost of living. Benefits can be better than FAANG. The one thing you miss out on is the equity, but you also potentially gain a better lifestyle. (No need for roommates, long commutes, etc here.) Small company tech work is exactly as Josh described. :-(

[@rickyjoebobby1]

Josh is a good guy and hard worker, though i think he's just had some bad experiences with his jobs and should try to find better companies or start one

[@feliciaf8]

He did

[@ScottRabara]

This was a great video! Having worked both at a small-mid size company and then moving to a big tech company I definitely agree with the differences outlined!

[@devkofi]

Joshua didnt want to do this interview ! lmao

[@neptunemike]

he sounds like he had a gun on his head to do this

[@spongechameleon6940]

Really great to see something like this. Would love to see a devs in the office vs devs working full remote video! As for this one, I think Josh's career is a good reminder that software engineering != FAANG. As we keep increasing tech's role in society and companies like Twitter go full remote, I think we're going to see many other tech hotbeds spring up in places other than Silicon Valley, the Bay Area and NYC.

[@jamiehush]

Went from working in Canada to LA. Everything Josh is saying is true. It’s an absolute night and day difference at a tech hub. MOST importantly though the amount you learn and grow is STAGGERING, so the kind of job you get 5 years down the line is even crazier.

[@xordux7]

Clément you are so full of positivity and energy. I love to see you talking in videos and enjoying every bit of it.

[@brattonross]

Interesting video for sure. I started out in the motion control subdivision of a huge tech company where a lot of the SWEs were contractors or overseas, and it felt like the managers or sales staff were treated much better than the engineers, who were basically shoved in the corner of the room. I've since moved to a much smaller company (I'd say medium-sized) which provides some different benefits, pays better, and is more focused the staff that have technical skills. I found that at the larger company my day was basically just working through tasks that were assigned to me by the product owner. Whereas at the smaller company I am given more freedom to make choices about the technologies that I want to use, I feel like my input has more impact, but it is expected for things to move quite fast. I definitely prefer the environment of a smaller company, but I also feel like I prefer that methodical process that the likes of Google has where you write up a document describing a new feature, ensure that you have tests for your code etc.

[@bigdizzle8120]

You should do a second episode with Josh regarding interview and onboarding process and the importance of deep CS and algorithm knowledge during interviewing.

[@hil449]

You barely need any because josh algorithm skills are nonexistent

[@albektek4999]

I subscribed to both of your channel. I may not have watch a lot of your vids yet but so far, you guys seems to be great role model. Please don't ever fall into anything negative. I would hate to see that. Keep up your amazing work and I wish you both the best. I am currently starting on my front-end learning road... To start of course. Html and css seems so far easy and the syntax seems very common sense. Thx for your motivation for doing what you do.... That goes to you too Josh. 👍

[@watcbd]

Holy crap, what a HUGE difference. Great video guys!

[@clem]

Glad you liked it!

[@ericecklund676]

Clem, I worked at a Fortune 500 company (>10,000 people) that used a lot of SWE's in its IT division where the software was a support structure for all of the company's other products. But, I was treated much better than what it sounds like Josh got treated at his places. It's too bad that Josh didn't work where I worked, they treat Mechanical Engineers (and other engineers) very well there.

[@richienguyen2703]

both of my favorite SE youtubers collaborated on this video.

[@corylowe5557]

It's interesting to see your personalities side by side. You both add a lot of value, but in different ways.

[@luiscruz-carrion123]

Honestly he sounds pampered.

[@Dan-tg3gs]

I currently work at a small company and get all the same perks as google, minus the value of stock compensation. I get a high base salary bonuses, free food, social events, stipends, lots of free stuff etc and even stock compensation but it’s a private company so it’s not gonna be RSUs. One thing you could’ve talked about is the difference in types of projects you get to work on.

[@farhan787]

I'm gonna write a script to smash the like button whenever Clement uploads a new video 😎

[@clem]

Now _that_ would be a great Software Engineering project for your resume.

[@farhan787]

@@clem absolutely

[@kakerake6018]

Damn that's a good idea. I'm gonna try this someday.

[@dharmang]

@@sasmitvaidya its even easier in javascript... 😶😂

[@migueldomingos4570]

@@sasmitvaidya Use selenium

[@kunal_chand]

I wondered what will it be like when clement collaborated with Josh. and here i am. You never fail to amaze me!!

[@indiancoder8301]

Josh was ragged for 16 minutes

[@mistermomo2904]

He's always ragged, he just has a dry tone of speaking, but he was especially ragged here because of his dissent towards nice perks that big copmanies offer and how they're just ways of making you stay there as much as possible. "8 hours sleep 8 hours work and 8 hours free time. I'm not spending more than I need at work."

[@Sheikhhamiz]

@@mistermomo2904 he was disowned by his parents he used to pay his father's rent when he couldn't afford rent of his father his grandfather blamed him for everything it must be sad for him then he doesn't want to stress on doing job at Google he just wants his audience to be happy by the way Google engineers don't work that hard as put in smaller tech companies work more and get payed less

[@nIrUbU01]

@@mistermomo2904 Josh is just weak

[@maxxpellowski2916]

Great video, you guys are really good together. Your honesty is much appreciated.

[@BiancaAguglia]

Happy New Year, Clement. May this new year and new decade bring you health, joy, and beaucoup growth. 😊 P.S. J'aime beaucoup tes interviews. Ils sont très intéressants.😊

[@clem]

That French is 👌👌! Bonne année à toi aussi, et merci pour tout!

[@spidermid3003]

I love Clement for bringing so much clarification towards the role of Software Engineering. It's really helped me decide if it's what I want to do.

[@KevinKaffy]

Am I the only one pleasantly surprised by these 2 guys linking up...was interesting and I was happy for the mutual respect shown Good job guys 👍

[@AM-jx3zf]

Clement is like: WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A GOOD COMPANY LIKE GOOGLE, OR A BAD COMPANY

[@vladislavsmurzjonoks308]

Thanks for video. I watched a dozen of videos like that. And to be honest I am concerned about that so much time people talk about free food or salary/ compensations. That make me feel sad, because it looks like I am learning a lot just for getting a "good" job with free food and big salary.

[@new_nonsense]

In my opinion a lot of non tech companies are looking to cut IT spending and I've also noticed the business wants to take control of the technology without involving IT and then blame IT if it breaks.

[@sipocharles9180]

Phew! So glad this wasn't an uncivil showdown as I saw the honestly raw video Josh did which was the catalyst for Clements thinking it was gonna be a punch back. Very constructive material and I think a good alliance between the two was just made. 😎👌🏿

[@TDLRest]

I'm not a fan of none of them, watch them on occasion, but Clement seems so douchy and thinks he's more valuable and smarter than Josh. He started the interview with the salary question. All I can see is that Clement is money hungry and empty from inside. If I'm right you should really think about that, that's pretty sad. It's not everything in money and job position. Being good to people, friends, and family and having someone to have fun with, take a walk, have a chat, you don't need the money and it will fulfill you much more than getting a billion dollars on lottery. Money is important, but only to a degree where you can afford things you actually need and some here and there you want.

[@TheJoker083]

TDLRest he does seem like a douche, at 11:12-11:18 he literally was about to bust out laughing

[@nothingiseverperfect]

i think you are completely incorrect, and you should watch more Joshua Fluke and Clement videos if you think this then. 1. Josh’s point of view and opinion are very solitary in the fact that the software engineering “dream” on the west coast working at FANG companies is solely, just a Dream, and not every job is gonna be like that, per his experience. He has stated in his videos that he does not like company culture or “corporate cringe” and is a person who prefers to be self-reliant and not be at the mercy of a company, he would rather do his 9-5 , 8-4 , and leave rather then, stay for some fun company event. 2. You say that Clement is “money hungry” and this is proved by the fact that he started with the “compensation/ money question” . Your interpretation of this is wrong because hugely, that is the most important comparison of the two. The salary being payed. Software Engineers and tech has attracted a LOT of people because of the high salaries that are being payed at companies like where Clement has worked: i.e: Google and Facebook. On the other hand, Josh has, as shown in this video, has worked at mid-sized , NON tech companies mostly. There is a drastic difference shown at the fact when Josh said an entry level job where he lives could start at $50k, while in contrast an entry level job at, GOOGLE, in the west coast, could earn you $100k + with added bonuses and benefits. The point of the video wasn’t to be all about “Oh money isn’t everything it’s about living life to the fullest! Having a family, and talking to people” or whatever it is you said: It was to show the harsh truth of the job everyone wants from Software Engineering: Clements side In contrast to most software engineering jobs not at FANG companies : aka Josh’s experience

[@bbqworld2103]

Both interviews were great and gave good info! Another possible collaboration would be to talk about interview questions! I know this would kind of go into what your company does, but I think it would be a nice source of info. Thanks

[@user-lv6qm3fj2z]

13:30 - omg, that's exactly how my first job as swe was :D I was working at a big food production company and it was swe-department (like 15 people or something) and some of us was working at the "lower office" and we was literally treated like rats. If you've seen the "IT crowd" tv-series - that's exactly how it was :)

[@michaelbarbarelli3764]

Really enjoyed this video. Great topic. One observation: convo was focused primarily on what the different types of companies can do for you, vs. what you can do for the company. While it should always be your goal to add value regardless of where you work, sometimes you can have a greater impact at smaller companies and the results of your work can be easier to observe, measure and recognise. In this way, sometimes smaller companies can present opportunities that larger companies will not.

[@clem]

That's a very fair point; the smaller the company is, the more tangible impact and responsibility you can have!

[@SilentWatcher000]

This seemed like a tense exchange. Is there some animosity here?

[@abhaytiwari6411]

have a new year filled with prosperity / girlfreinds

[@someguy6075]

This was an interesting and informative interview. If I'm honest, the class difference is glaring and you could be a little more sensitive to it. But I hadn't realized just how wide the gulf is between the coasts and middle America. Geography and industry contribute far more to the contrast here than big vs small, IMO, and the content surprised me given the title.

[@sbkpilot1]

Silicon Valley is its own bubble.. the salaries are much lower elsewhere, even here in SoCal. What I've noticed is that outside of purely Software companies the compensation is all over the place.. for similar job descriptions and experience I've seen ranges of 50% or more! This is very atypical in other fields.

[@mustache2295]

So far it seems like it should be titled: Clement GRILLS Josh Fluke About HIS Experience Working in Software Engineering

[@TSalama7]

I think this is a better comparison of “mid size”/average companies vs. the bigger ones; small companies might be like the one I work for (~70) which is full of benefits and bells and whistles and food/gym/freedom/wfh opportunities. Interesting how different a SE’s experience can be in different locations and companies though.

[@aletheion]

Big tech companies make their billions off of the tech itself, so therefore they highly value the engineers that put it together. Smaller non-tech companies that have a developer or a small dev team do not make their money on the tech, it's usually widget sales or something, so a salesperson makes $120k while the dev in the corner cube gets $50k. It's still good work for a developer, but their work is undervalued by the company. This is the vast majority of software engineering jobs out there.

[@emu2329]

this!!

[@Theberner0]

2 of my favourite youtubers in 1 vid , amazing

[@rafethearchitect]

Yooooo your video got recommended to me, glad to see your doing something dope

[@clem]

Woah, hey man! Glad to see a familiar face here!

[@positiveoptimist5060]

I like both guys. Most software engineers engineers will go through what Josh went through. However, we should all strive to get great jobs (with great compensation) at Big Tech companies after enough experience under our belt. The cool thing about both of them is that they became entrepreneurs and started their business, and that's something I would love to do eventually!

[@roroguapo3]

I smashed that like button as hard as I could. My phone flew out of my hands.

[@mrswolls]

It's good to see both the top 1% of work in big tech and also jobs outside silicon valley in tech. Not every single one of us will get accepted into a fang

[@coder4life]

Now here is a collab I did not see coming.

[@nowieszco868]

Clement and Clement's community - I need your help. I'm going to switch my job, I've been on arround 6-7 interviews which I've failed all of them xd when I know, that i.e. I'm good problem solver should I say on interview: I'm a good problem solver or I think that I'm good problrm solver? I know that I should be confident. But beeing too much confidents makes another result and I can't see the border. (Usually im not confident, saying I think that.. and so on) What do you think? Is it important or I'm overthinking it a little?

[@joshuamdeguzman]

As always, great content. Thanks Clément!

[@sshovelyjoe]

Hey Clement, how do you recommend tackling questions that one get stuck at? It is very discouraging when I can't even figure out the supposedly easy ones after going through the material.

[@MccoyHayden]

Practice your fundamentals

[@table_tennis_fever]

josh is such a good guy. he's amazing.

[@jonathanbrown3718]

Once you get your first year or two of experience, you need to make sure that you're picking the company you want to work for, not just looking for the next job. I started at 30k a year with decent healthcare benefits and no 401k. 4 years and 4 jobs later I get 100k a year with 5% bonus yearly and increase pay per year, insurance is really good, really good 401k, and if I wanted, food stuff (I couldn't care less for that though).

[@davidofug]

You guys are amazing. Much of what you are saying doesn't even exist in Africa. The ecosystem is full of startups which are direction unaware. So a lot of developers are finding it hard to make it happen.

[@ShoniNemavhidi]

That was a very good question there about the engineering company...

[@НЕЮТУБЪ-м3в]

Intersting fact: - Clément has 174k subs and this video reached 175k views - Josh has 296k subs and his video reached 177k views - I'm bored of quarantine 😫 and I duplicated here my comment from Josh's video lol

[@BB1CC666]

G corp should pay them, this is practically recruiting ads...

[@Skryzeeful]

My two favorite youtubers yesssss 😍❤

[@xpfe5zrm]

Happy New Year Clém!

[@springer-qb4dv]

One thing that suck at working in a huge companies like Google is you are specialized into a very narrow niche. A tiny cog in a big machine. At a startup or small companies, you have so much more lattitude and get far greater range of experiences.

[@cybersphere]

Some of these questions just feel like a setup so the interviewer can humblebrag about where they worked.

[@AM-jx3zf]

Reveal: IT IS.

[@faisalaqurz2365]

well i am hitting like for every video you made , just followed you a week ago

[@oxman7]

Just found you two this last week! Cool content lads!

[@zn6151]

Josh is telling the Truth, I had good health insurance but when another company bought our company they gave us very bad insurance, I'm a new American and I thought I will live the American dream, but actually I'm living in the hell, no rights for employees in most of the companies.

[@CodyEngelCodes]

Staying at work until 6 regularly sounds so foreign to me. I typically work 8:30 - 4:30 and pretty happy with that setup.

[@rtashev]

Would have been interesting to discuss the recruitment/interviewing process

[@andreanonali4557]

Really interesting videos to check out difference and similarities of bigger and smaller companies

[@BasharAlkhalili]

A Silicon Valley engineer can never imagine how bad working at a non-tech company can be, no matter how hard it's explained to them. Most of the discussion was about the superficial differences: free food, salaries, perks, and tooling, when the biggest differences are the lack of engineering culture and the lack of respect for SWEs. The discussion should have veered towards the implications of all that, and how it's like to be treated like an expendable resource from a large pool of interchangeable resources. They touched upon it slightly at the end when Clement mentioned that SWEs are treated like second-class citizens at banks, but that should have really taken up the bulk of the conversation.

[@GoncaloGuitarist]

Like always, your videos are just AMAZING. 🙂 Thanks to you I am on my tracks to become a software engineer. Cheers. 👊

[@fanyinU]

Hi, I'm wondering how is the WFH (working from home) culture in Google or Facebook?

[@trkishh]

Patrick Yu probably nonexistent for developers

[@TheGoldenriff]

Another key difference is going to be code quality at smaller companies. You are going to see much higher quality of code at smaller tech companies or elsewhere compared to the large companies. This is due to the problem of maintaining thousands of engineers code across very large systems. You have to normalize the code so the quality ultimately is sacrificed. Another advantage of working at a smaller company is you get to see the entire flow as you sort of touched on. For example, I am responsible for the server itself, the mail server, the DNS , I build and design the database, the tables, the relationships. Furthermore , I design all the classes and decide how I'm going to architect the application before I sit down and decide to write code. I get to transform the business logic into real working code and bring something to life from "nothing". I'm not sure you will get the same experience at the larger corporations. You leave most of the smaller companies with such a vast amount of knowledge in all sorts of areas. Is it a payoff vs salary? That will be for you to decide!

[@gigik64]

Thanks for the video, but in my personal experience this doesn't give the full picture. Big Tech aside, I feel like there's a massive cultural difference between SMEs and big corporations in terms of how software developers operate. In my experience, bigger corporations allow a a way lesser degree of freedom with regards to all aspects of software development. And from Clement's story, I feel like big tech is even stricter in this regard, since they're going to be skeptical towards any tool that wasn't developed internally. At smaller companies it's way easier to change things and introduce new tech. For example, where I currently work we have meetings called "spikes", and we (the devs) can present technologies that we find cool and that we think could benefit the solutions we're working on. If the team approves, the tech is adopted ASAP, without the whole corporate machine having to approve it 1000 times.

[@erikatorres1069]

Joshua looks miserable during the interview this wasn't cool for him.

[@siddhu6661]

He always looks like that.

[@_computerra]

He always looks miserable lmao, they're good friends

[@AM-jx3zf]

I mean, they may be friends... But you still feel something you know... Like some people just have huge salaries for the same shit, while you're just in a basement

[@jagicyooo2007]

Clement was holding in his laughter so hard

[@iorekby]

He's actually too nice of a guy for that. And Clement is a top 1% programmer. Math grads from Ivy League universities don't grow on trees. The vast, vast majority of people working in tech will only be doing jobs like those Josh described. Besides which, if Josh re-located he could get an awful lot more money in the Valley or NYC etc... I'm guessing like most people he has reasons to live where he's at. Family, relationship etc.... It's not always just about who makes the most bank.

[@blasttrash]

I felt that too. But I am not sure if it was on purpose or it Clement's face itself is like that. :P

[@jagicyooo2007]

@@blasttrash his face isn't like that when he's serious

[@Seomon1]

tbh I felt like he threw Josh under the bus a little bit at the beginning: "Joshua asked me to ask you to hit the like button... honestly I wasnt sure If I should do it, but I guess I'll be nice...."

[@jonathanwrede8957]

@@Seomon1 that was sarcasm

[@shnerdz]

Hi Clement, loved the content and great work as always. While watching the video, one thing kept me wondering: what exactly is the advantage of working at mid-size, no-name companies? Other than location, which is subjective, it felt like there were no upsides to working at the places Joshua was talking about. Everytime a point of comparison was brought up, it felt like the FAANG companies had the no-name companies beat. After the interview/comparison, what did you think were the advantages to working at those places?

[@rdwells]

I've worked in the software industry for 35 years, for mostly small companies in the Twin Cities area. Here are the advantages of working for the non-Facebooks and non-Googles of the world, as I see them: First of all, I'm living in an area where housing is not ridiculously overpriced. I can afford a much nicer place here than anything I could have bought in, say, the Bay Area. (And yes, I was once offered a job out there and did the comparison.) Not only that, but I'm within 20 minutes of world-class music and theater, along with professional and BIg 10 sports. And they're all affordable. And since all but one of my jobs has had a 20-minute or less commute (the exception was about 35), I've had time to enjoy them. Second, I was able to have a life. Most of the time I was able to work an 8-hour day. I ate dinner almost every night with my family, hardly ever missed one of my son's baseball games or my daughter's dance recitals, had time to even coach a baseball team or two, and went to every teacher conference and school orchestra concert. I have time to actually read for pleasure, listen to music (not just as background), watch TV when I find something worth my time, and...relax. Finally, my work was always interesting. My jobs seldom involved just walking in and coding for 8 hours straight. I generally saw myself as a problem solver; it just so happened that most of those solutions involved writing software. But in every job I've had, I was always working on interesting problems that challenged me. If I had to spend my time adding new buttons to web pages I'd probably go bonkers. One more thing: at a small company, you have a definite sense that you're making an impact. In my last job, a lot of my work was finding ways to automate tasks that either no one wanted to do, or would have been too expensive for the company to hire people to do. This allowed the company to make a lot of money doing projects that our competitors just couldn't match without going broke. At a small company you're never a cog in some software development gear.

[@Gr8thxAlot]

One reason is that one may not have many employment choices if they want to stay close to family. Working at a no-name may be the only option. FAANG companies don't typically allow remote work, so you're stuck. Work life balance can be terrible at these small, mid-size companies especially if it's a family business, while not making a lot of money. I think it's better to be at a large company/Fortune 500, even if it's not FAANG.

[@shnerdz]

@@rdwells from the video, we see both Joshua and Clement agree that despite the housing prices of the bay area, faang companies still come out on top in terms of money. Clement also despells the myth that faang companies give you ridiculous hours. From Clement's experience and my own, most people work regular hours (

[@hil449]

I think the advantages would be the possibility of working remotely and living in other countries/continents. Faang rarely let's you work totally remote and even when they do you have to stay in the same country so if you want to be a digital nomad you'd have to go for other companies. You also don't have to spend years of your life honing your leetcode/system design skills and even then you still might fail passing but yea, for young people I think faang is the ultimate goal

[@adequatequality]

Lesson from this video: If you were given a job offer between a big tech company or a small business, you wouldn't hesitate to take the big tech company's offer.

[@frankdominick2546]

The cost of living in a city such as Salt Lake is also way way less than the cost of living in the New York or Silicon Valley areas. So a 70k - 80k salary in Salt Lake City is like making 140k - 160k in New York or the Silicon Valley. Don’t get me wrong, you’re still better off working for a big tech company because you will make even more money through bonuses and stock, but making 80k a year is actually a quite good salary if it’s in an inland American city such as Salt Lake.

[@charlesc5950]

I kind of doubt it costs an extra ~$55k in living expenses just to live in New York or Silicon Valley unless you are trying to rent a larger place or just throw a dart when deciding where to rent. It’s not difficult to find a place for < $2500/month in Silicon Valley. You could rent 2 places if you wanted to with the extra $. The job in Silicon Valley is likely taking home more than double after accounting for living expenses and taxes and if you invest double the money it snowballs pretty quickly.

[@ΠαναγιώτηςΣκαρλάς-ο4θ]

I have never clicked faster on a video lmao.