World of Warships- Top 5 WORTHLESS Premium Ships

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:09 5. Texas
6:11 4. Indomitable
10:56 3. California
15:05 2. Picardie
19:03 1. Tiger 59

[@captainpotatoaim9381]

I got the Tiger 59 out of a christmas container last year. I havent had such a fun experience since i got tonsilitis

[@Crosshair84]

If you think that's fun, wait until you get a kidney stone.

[@ArmadilloMan1948]

😂

[@wagahagwa6978]

​@@Crosshair84 yeah the carnot

[@TheAddanz]

Texas makes me sad too, they absolutely gutted that ships AA...it used to be a No Fly Zone and hilarious, CV players used to accuse texas players of hacking and such.. it was brilliant

[@thebassgamertv]

Apparently they perform the hell out of CV's so maybe she will have good aa again

[@zublacus]

Texas was a COMPLETE NO FLY ZONE back during RTS CV's.

[@Gaming_Biker]

I actually was just in Galveston, TX a week ago & got to see the Texas while on one the dolphin viewing tourist trips. She's out of drydock & getting the finishing touches on her refurb. Beautiful ship & worth seeing.

[@yah5o]

Ah, the Indomitable...I was watching the bombers in the video and even before you mentioned slingshotting, I immerdiately thought "wait...is that guy there slingshotting? is this still a thing?" Moments later the explanation.

[@shironee_2384]

Technically, slingshotting isn't entirely removed. It's damage immunities comes from the post attack animation from the bomber which is still exist today. However, WG had nerfed attack cooldown on all bombers except those in Indomitable which means bombers cannot instantly attack after their animation ended. You can still take advantage of their damage immune window to distance your bomber from enemy AA.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

My Texas became a port queen the moment WeGreedy went ahead with their Reeeework

[@MarvinWestmaas]

btw pretty sure Texas AP shells are not the same as NY are they? Arizona doesn't have the same shells as New Mexico that I do know for sure ( though it more then made up for it with it way better dispersion ).

[@wramsey2656]

Your right the Texas makes a nice museum ship also in the game. Years ago i would take her out to shred planes from the sky always made me laugh.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@wramsey2656 Reminds me of Yubari... WeGreedy murdered the game I liked... darn them.

[@BlackHearthguard]

This is one of the things that upsets me the most, I bought the USS Texas _purely because_ of her AA, and about 2 months later, they ran the CV rework and nerfed her AA into the bottom of the ocean. I get that things need to be tuned as things go along, but what they did to her was just wrong. So wrong.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Frankly the rework was a disaster. WG just refuses to admit it and why so many of us were against subs. If you can't bslance cvs why try subs

[@BlackHearthguard]

@@paulrasmussen8953 Exactly, at least CVs operate on top of the water, they can't slide to a deep depth and wait you out.

[@nualanet]

I used to love sailing forth in my Texas... it was a virtual "No-Fly Zone". 40-50 planes blasted from the sky was pretty much de rigueur during a battle. I also have California. Pretty sure it was part of a bundle or in a random crate. It's not bad, I've had some fun with it. True though as for Arizona... It's a fairly stout ship.

[@BreadApologist]

Ye, tx class use to be great for that. It was less worrying about cv n more so “oh look the cv is sending another wave of sacrifices to me” it was enjoyable back in the day.

[@nualanet]

@@BreadApologist - Right? I remember teammates cheering as I shredded enemy planes like grated cheese... I miss the days when certain ships were legit "No-Fly Zones".

[@Smenkhaare]

@@nualanet I was in love with my Atlanta.... it would just eat planes for lunch... Now it is a floating pin cushion. I have to sell it. It has been sitting in port for three years.

[@BreadApologist]

@@nualanet Ya, i seen it happen in other games to, whats essientally a 1 trick pony that does its 1 trick REALLY well get nerfed ....n turned into crap.

[@nualanet]

@@Smenkhaare - Yes! Good ol' Atlanta... dual-purpose machine gun of doom at one time. 😢

[@theeenforcer4669]

I miss my invincable bubble of AA that Texas was

[@brett76544]

remember the tiger 59 is like the Omaha's or Marblehead. we love the challenge and buffoonery you can do in them.

[@kerotomas1]

Not even close. The Omahas are wet tissue paper that's true but the guns on it are actually great for tier 5 both the HE and AP meanwhile the 59 is just pure junk in every single way possible.

[@Lazernaut]

Is the Marblehead a bad ship? It's one of my favorites for Tier 5 lol

[@geehammer1511]

Omaha is a great ship, one that I keep going back to for fun. I kinda like the American way of sticking as many guns on the ship as they can, unlike the Brits who seemed to think Tiger '59 would be fine without guns & just use harsh language instead.

[@rodrigogodoi4250]

With Tiger 59 you do 1 thing only for the majority of the match: You hunt down DDs and maybe subs. Thats it. Until they are dead dont bother shooting other cruisers or BBs. If your flank DD is dead, just sail to other edge of the map to get another DD. Only shoot Cruisers and BBS when theres nothing else to shoot. Feels useless but I had a number of decent matches helping my team win doing that.

[@arongyorffy3070]

17:44, SeaLord, this is not how math works.

[@BlackHearthguard]

Aye, 12 lots of 15% does not equal 12x15=180%. it just means that you get 12 shots with 15% chance of starting a fire, ie each shot is 15%, regardless of the how many other shots are released at the same time... could be 100, still only 15% per shot, not 1500%.

[@Axel23410]

@@BlackHearthguard The fire chance calculation in WoWS is also a bit wonky and takes into account a bunch of other factors like Fire prevention modules and skills, whether the part of the ship hit is already on fire or not, the tier of the ship and so on and so forth. All this means is that in the end the game favors a bit more low firing guns with high fire chance than rapid firing guns with low fire chance. And since Picardie has absolutely horrendous fire chance (litteraly worst in the game for a battleship, some heavy cruiser have better fire chance on their HE), even if all those shells manage to hit you wont have that great of a fire setting potential.

[@richardbell7678]

Expectation values are a thing. If the fire chance is 15% and you score 100,000 hits, you will get close to the expectation value of 15,000 fires. The big assumption is that all of those hits are independent of each other, when they are not. Handwaved example: the raw numbers are that the expected number of fires for a full HE salvo of a Thunderer hitting its target is 5 (8 x 0.63), but there are only 4 (sometimes 3) places for a ship to catch fire and all of the shells have to hit different parts of the ship to start multiple fires, so you will never get the expected 5 fires from a Thunderer HE salvo (RNGesus once blessed me with landing 5 of 8 shells on target and starting 3 fires [the expectation value for 5 hits] on a target while its DC module was on cool down). I suspect that the largest hard to quantify influence on the fire chance is that players do not like burning to the waterline and will apply commander skills, modules, and signal flags to reduce the odds, duration and severity of fires. The other thing about SeaLord's math is that he was actually saying that you should expect one fire out of every seven hits, but only the very lucky will score seven hits by firing only sixteen guns at the target.

[@BlackHearthguard]

@@richardbell7678 At the end of the day, one shot does not affect the next. Expected values aside, purely mathematically, no shot neither the first, nor last, has a greater than 15% chance of causing a fire. Saying that, of course in the real world you would expect, after ten shots, to have one, two or even three fires start, especially with the deviation in _those_ guns, spread along the length of the ship.

[@johnnyenglish583]

​@@richardbell7678 actually, the maths works a bit different: you need to take the chance of NOT setting a fire, raise it to the power that's equal to the number of shells hitting the target, and then deduct the result from one. For example, if there's a 15% fire chance with each shell, that means there's an 85% chance of NOT setting a fire. So the probability of setting a fire when 3 shells hit is 39% because: P = 1 - 0.85^3 = 1 - 0.61 = 0.39. When hitting with 6 shells the probability is 63% because: P = 1 - 0.85^6 = 1 - 0.37 = 0.63. And so on. As you correctly point out, there are only 4 places on the ship where a fire can be started so this calculation would have to take into account the number of shells hitting a given location, not the ship as a whole.

[@Broodingrage235]

Glad to see you down in Tier 5, I'm new here and stay at this level until i can feel confident enough to NOT be a burden to the teams chances of winning. (i'm the Mutsuki eating torps in the Texas section. "GluttonForPunishment") Now a new subscriber! Thanks for all your videos!

[@Towboatin]

Poor Texas. What a relic. It may be worth pointing out that New York used to have the same reload as Texas, near as makes no difference. So the premium was just straight up a better ship, despite the half a knot speed penalty and slightly worse gun handling on the midship turret. I believe it was a couple of years ago now that New York finally got a badly needed reload buff that put it into the state that it's in currently. Texas needs some love. They could buff the reload down to 31.5 or 32 and it would be fine. While I do think California still needs a little bit more attention, it is considerably more comfortable now than it was before the buff. The guns are the same as Arizona's only in caliber and configuration. California has the 14"/50 New Mexico guns, which despite lacking overmatch have excellent penetration, especially out to the ranges that California can reach. This is quite significant; I've found them to be more reliable against tier 9s than Arizona's 14"/45s are against tier 8s. It also now has the fast acceleration, and that's more noticeable (and useful) than you might think. Between the two, I think Arizona is the weaker of them these days, tier for tier. California is not quite good enough to be recommended, but it's playable now. Arizona is rather anemic with the runaway power creep in the mid tiers.

[@matejkar]

I remember getting Tiger '59 from a santa container a year or two ago. Played a few games in it, and yes, i hated it, but also got one game where i finished at around about 150k dmg if i recall correctly lol

[@peterhineinlegen4672]

I've gotten that high but you need the right match. The rate of fire and the turret rotation are top notch. If it had two more guns you could score 150k regularly.

[@demian7567]

Mikasa needs to be on this list. The only good thing about it is the comedy of your shells each falling in a different zip code.

[@UnimpressedAussie]

I like it... when a shell does hit, it hits hard.

[@jason41a]

mikasa is GIGA GOOD

[@demian7567]

@@jason41a it's a meme, nothing more.

[@larsn97]

Have you played this ship? This thing can get extremely OP and a lot of fun. Just queue up in her between 2am and 6am. Sure might need to wait 10 minutes for a match, but when you get into one it is you vs one human and 11 bots. This is by far the easiest way to get insane kill counts. In my a bit over 20 games I got multiple times 10 kills. You obviously need a full secondary captain to pull stuff like this.

[@demian7567]

@@larsn97 yes I own this ship. She's useless against anyone with 5 brain cells because every single ship in the game outruns her

[@Hollywood113807]

I had to pause the video to lament on the Texas' AA. You feared no planes when it was released. Uptiered to tier 7? Well if those carrier drivers knew what was good for them they kept their planes on the other side of the map. Good times.

[@sargisshirinyan207]

really love getting straight into it, without the prolonged intro.

[@Armanorithorn]

While I agree with most, I still find Texas fun when I get the idea to play it again.

[@Montrala]

Indomitable is very strong CV at tier 8, but you need to train slingshot in (surprise!) training battles. Whomever provided b-roll needs a bit of work on that. Pre-drop is too early. Other than that, from tactical point of view, you play it like Pobeda - be close, but not too close and just cycle strike after strike.

[@LavaIce99]

I got the Tiger 59 out of the Tier 8 container at the end of a recent progressive bundle chain. I haven't had the displeasure of playing it yet. But, at least I can only get it once! 🤣

[@Oi40ozCasualty]

Honestly, the Cali is one of my best ships stat wise. Good win/loss and sunk ratio as well. And I worked up to 21 commander points with it as well. So it isn't a small sample of games. Though you're right in the fact that I have very similar stats in the Ari. I don't know, I just have fun with both of them personally. Though I do think they should give her god tier AA on it.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

If you want god Tier AA on Cali, then she needs DFAA to fully realize her AA role. Funny tidbit: Wee Vee '44 actually has DFAA and can replicate and improve on California's AA shtick.

[@Oi40ozCasualty]

@@SaiIor_Moon I would also settle for better accuracy on the guns. Either one would be a needed upgrade on her.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

@@Oi40ozCasualty That would work too, and help her fulfill that Wargaming-claimed role of "heavyweight salvo sniper". Battlecruiser dispersion is even an option, making California the slow but tanky version of Florida. 👀

[@MechFrankaTLieu]

I believe I've seen Tiger 59 only 2 times , once in Random and another time in one of those temporary " this patch only " game mode, not quite remember which but that's it

[@PitchBlackYeti]

Picardie does kinda decent in Operations because you can plan ahead on when to best spend the reload boosters. Still needs serious buffs, either BC dispersion, sigma or reload buffs, maybe all of them. I only have it because it popped in the first pack for me so for 1500 dubs a t8 premium is still a bargain.

[@Tundraviper41]

I think if they added a unqiue mechanic to Texas and Okt Revolution is that they get 5-6km AA range. However, the damage is weaker until you reach 4 to 3.5 km, which then the AA scales up to full damage.

[@patrickodonnell3802]

I recently reveived the Tiger 59 from a container two weeks ago lol. I haven't even bothered to try it out.

[@hoosierrampage1877]

It’s a good ship if your goal is to win games. It is not a huge damage dealer but has more battle impact than most cruisers

[@lexwaldez]

Sometimes you just have to buy the crappier version and call it an advanced difficulty setting. -Texas

[@mihaitha]

I have seen Tiger'59 once. In ranked. Considering how it was played, I'm guessing it was a container drop and the owner's only T8 ship that they could take to ranked.

[@antoninomazzara3008]

yeah me too

[@geehammer1511]

That's harsh but funny at the same time, I feel bad for anyone who has no option but to use a bad ship in a match like that. It must have felt like turning up at WW2 with a musket rifle lol.

[@V-V1875-h]

the problem with Indomitable is not losing planes, but the damage being incredibly low

[@Angeltrust76]

Sealord be hating on tiger 59'

[@BlackHearthguard]

Yeah, but let's be real, she does deserve the hate, it's objectively bad...

[@DougDibrimi]

The Texas was very good last time I played. You had to know how to play it, but if you knew that the guns' secret was they have better arcs to the rear than the front (the NY is the reverse), you could beat down every other T5 and some T6 battleships by kiting away, as you were always angled. My old frenemies were the Kongo and the Konig. And, did you know that if you play the throttle and rudder together, you can pull an actual quick turn? I have torpedobeat moments in the Texas thanks to that, no lie.

[@utimas1696]

I already knew that Tiger 59 would be in this list, just from the thumbnail

[@rovelfox7832]

What I'd love to see as a buff to Indomitable is a massive buff to its fighters and giving it an air-supremacy role. The speed of the planes would make it perfect for this and the art used in the armoury even shows Sea Furys taking off. I think it would really make it more usable with a unique playstyle. I feel it's probably the best ship on this list (a very low bar) but I'd love to see it get some sort of buff. I don't know what I'd suggest for buffing Tiger 59, that ship needs some dramatic changes. 14:58 having lived in the western US most of my life and spending a lot of time in both California and Arizona, I definitely think Arizona is the worst of the two. Both aren't as great as Nevada though, but that's my bias. They really need to add the Nevada in game; make her the tankiest ship that just won't die.

[@grayboats7741]

Some ships you really have to play differently. I do well with some of the 'bad' ships & sink fast with 'good' ones. Play style really affects results. BC's i ignore the BB icon. I just use as a slow cruiser. Hunt little guys, go for BB's in endgame.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

As much as I honestly appreciate the fact that Wargaming actually FINALLY buffed California (with admittedly small buffs), I do sadly agree with her placement on this list. The buffs definitely help a bit, they do. But they're not NEARLY enough to truly give California that needed leg up to "middle of the road" performance. Even a 45s turret traverse would serve her reasonably well. Otherwise, improved AP angles or even quick heals are welcome, either or. TL;DR California was buffed, but not nearly enough to truly matter.

[@heenthousiast383]

i got Texas for very cheap, and she was my first Premium ship, and the only one for a long time, and it truly pains me to say i agree with you

[@JoelMurray1969]

Does anyone know why I can't use the Indomitable in ranked combat which is tier 8?

[@GainingDespair]

Yeah Texas was my first premium as well, a painfully slow ship, with basically nothing going for it besides AA. I played it just in hopes of getting into a CV game and that only happened 20% of the time. I became a no fly zone, loved it, but even than 80% of the CV matches I got the CV already knew to not come near me which was anticlimactic. Rarely if ever would I get a CV who tried to target me, but when they did ... peak Texas in action. What I lived for when playing that ship. Sad shame what they did.

[@MadmanLink]

If they added torps to the TIger 59 or even get it HE, it then might be somewhat useful.

[@wramsey2656]

In the old days playing Tx it was not uncommon to shoot down 15+ planes per match with no sweat. Most experienced CVs stayed away from you like the plague. I think WG should make sure all heroic ships that were actually in combat should be given honorary buffs and left alone, dam it they earned it.

[@nicholasmelby5361]

When did California become a tier VIII? I must have missed that update.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

Definitely a Tier VII battleship. : )

[@TheGuardianofAzarath]

I'd add the murmansk and the other ohmaha clones to this list, they're made of Explodium and have tinfoil for armour. Maybe add the Myoko clones, simply because there's so many of them, and they die just as easily. The ONLY reason i would ever get a Tiger 59, is to make sure i don't get it in a crate.

[@goshivan69]

Could you do a video of the current best HE spammers in the game??

[@Kolejaros]

I like Indomitable. Especially in Ranked Battles is very good!

[@PNut8421]

Got Tiger 59 in a 2022 christmas container. still haven't used her. i refuse to even put a commander on it. and the only reason i haven't sold it for the credits value is because i don't want to just get it again in a future christmas container.

[@joaomariacristino5734]

California in Wows legends is in the top 3 best tier V ships(in Wows pc is tier VI)

[@geehammer1511]

Proof that WG didn't cheap out and just port the PC game to consoles, they pretty much made a fresh game for them reworking some parts.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

Yes, I have zero complaints about Legends Cali. The difference between Legends Cali and her PC counterpart are night and day, even with the small buffs PC Cali got.

[@soondead007]

Lol, I got 4 out of 5 of these from Christmas containers!! All but the picarde

[@johnnypatterson7512]

Might want to play the Indom again. You can burn ships left and right.

[@deaks25]

For me the most worthless is a ship SLM talked about recently: Carnot. I got it before the French Super-Cruisers came out and when they did, Carnot became pointless. It's worse than all three of the Tech-Line ships and is a ship I'm probably going to trade in because it's just a waste of a Port Slot.

[@thegoods1r694]

Picarde: Indeed, it is a Grunge Barge that exists

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

Why do you drop the bombs before attacking?

[@Joshua-fi4ji]

Allows Indomitable to preserve planes and it can reset its boost = quick strikes across the map / fast spotting.

[@seebar8179]

I said Tiger 59 even without watching the stream xD

[@ImpendingJoker]

Atlanta would like a word about best AA ship back in the day.

[@nipponmanju4516]

what about Svietlana / Krasny Krim...?

[@broccanmacronain457]

I was going to bring up the Krispy Kreme as well.

[@broccanmacronain457]

And was it the Mikoyan or the Makarov that they had to give away because no one was buying or playing it?

[@sealordmountbatten]

Krispy Kreme best BB in game

[@broccanmacronain457]

@@sealordmountbatten Wow, it must have had a big upgrade for the Russian Cruiser that I received it as.

[@stephencocker5312]

The Texas makes me sad as I was thinking about getting one !.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Yeah not worth it. The rework murdered her

[@amrprofps1424]

Any new Coal ship tier list for 2024?

[@geehammer1511]

Maybe the same list as last year, depends how much 13.3 changes things with the ASW stuff. But yeah I wouldn't mind seeing a new coal ship tier list or something like that so I can pick what coal ship to look at working towards.

[@frantiseksedivy5136]

Dont forget the rare triple uptier 🤫

[@midgard_tartaria]

I have played over 2k matches on Indomitable, broken every possible record. And here is what I can say, to enjoy playing on this aircraft carrier, you need a unique captain Andrew Cunningham. On this occasion I will share my build for this aircraft carrier, which I use personally. Captain 21 Perk - Andrew Cunningham Cost (1 points): - Last Gasp (Completely restores engine boost for the last attack squadron.) - Air Supremacy (-5% aircraft restoration time) - Search and Destroy (+10% to action radius of Patrol Fighter and Interceptor squadrons) Cost (2 points): - Improved Engines (+2.5% aircraft squadron speed) Cost (3 points): - Sight Stabilization (+7.5% aiming speed) - Demolition Expert (+1% chance of HE rockets causing a fire; +5% chance of HE bombs causing a fire) - Aircraft Armor (-10% continuous AA damage while in an aura) - Survivability Expert (+25 aircraft HP per ship tier) Cost (4 points): - Enhanced Aircraft Armor (-25% damage from flak) Ship upgrades: 1 slot: - Air Groups Modification 1 (+20 to the speed of air groups returning to the aircraft carrier) 2 slot: - Aircraft Engines Modification 1 (+10% engine boost time) 3 slot: - Secondary Battery Modification 1 (+20% secondary battery range; -20% secondary battery dispersion) 4 slot: - Bombers Modification 2 (+7.5% aircraft HP) 5 slot: - Flight Control Modification 1 (-5% aircraft restoration time; +2 deck places) Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of free time lately, but I promise that I will finish the guide on this CV so that as many players as possible can get involved with this wonderful CV.

[@Norbrookc]

The Texas is a ship you buy because it has so much history, not because it's better than the New York. I hope they buff it somewhat for the upcoming D-Day event they're planning, maybe giving it a "gangster lean" capability for range. It's the only one on this list I have bought, I got the rest (except the Picardie) through container drops, so I didn't feel ripped off when I got them. Disappointed after playing them, yes, but ripped off, no.

[@GulNadar]

Tiger 59 is finding a way to push Indianapolis off the list. Cue the kazoos.

[@temery94]

I got the Texas for free along with a ton of other ships due to being an alpha tester I’ve literally only paid for like 3 premium ships and they were reduced prices the aa in Texas used to be hilarious me and my friends would run 3 of them just to piss cv players off

[@thesleepyweasel3775]

14:59 "... State, and the ship." 🤣

[@redsaints]

Honest question from someone in Europe. Why?

[@nickdaspinoboy313]

​@@redsaints people love hating on California because of its reputation as a left leaning state

[@BlackHearthguard]

I dno... Louisiana is a mosquito ridden swamp without her own IRL ship in the game... oh, is that why the shade at the Cally?

[@ddjay1363]

@@redsaints It's nickname is 'Commiefornia'. Make of that what you will. ;-)

[@briangulley6027]

@@redsaints California is ultra progressive Arizona is slightly more conservative. Arizona used to be very conservative, but California people moved in by the thousands and brought their progressive BS with them. People moving from California ruin every state they move to, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, are the main ones. Their working on Utah and Nevada now.

[@crazykev5]

Is the Pommern useless now that there is the German tech tree battle cruiser?

[@j_taylor]

Not at all.

[@crazykev5]

@@j_taylor what does the pommern bring that the Rupprecht doesn't? Other then premium ship advantages?

[@-vvwen-5661]

Sea Lord can u play zao and review it?? thanks 😁

[@Telashar]

So in short, Indomitable is the one cv that requires at least some skill to play, and so it is not recommended, what a time to play this game.

[@Aelvir114]

Indomitable could have been a bit better had they given her her historical AA, instead they swapped out her octuple pom pins for quads, and replaced her 2x2 British Mk V & 2x4 USN Mk II Bofors for 4x2 USN Mk I Bofors, which she never carried, and has a massively inferior AA suite compared to that in-game AND is pretty poor for even T8 carriers in general.

[@gravityhamster]

I remember the good old days of the Texas, I used to use it with new players so they did not have to worry about getting dunked on by the CV's, It could really do with a buff. No Kispy Kream?

[@wildbill3260]

I like the Indomitable, it's good in my opinion

[@LordMephiston40k]

Ah the Tiger 59, the Memelord of all the meme ship.

[@Ilias_Goddess]

killing people in tiger 59 is the ultimate form of teabagging

[@richardcutts196]

Texas isn't the only ship that needs to be redone. For example Mogami's 6.1" gun parameters need to be revisited.

[@francischambless5919]

I really miss the AP secondaries of the Nagato. Boy did they do their best to ruin that ship.

[@thomassutphin9457]

Everytime I see a Cali in game on Legends, PS5 they always dominate the game. Me as a CV BB main here, I ALWAYS, ALWAYS HAVE TO FOCUS ON IT to keep that player under control so that they dont get a solo runaway game 5,6, or even 7 kills! No joke! If I dont, keep them under control with my torp planes That game will be no doubt be a loss. l feels like the Cali in legends as a T5 in legends, are to powerful for T5-T4 games, the cali is not a worthless ship in legends. I all but dred seeing them in game at T4 T5 T6. In Legends the Cali is a Kracked ship.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

I disagree that Cali is "cracked" in Legends when Hyuga and Kamikaze exist ;P But yes, she is strong. Slow, but strong.

[@Daedricbob]

Sad that Krasny Krym didnn't make the cut. It's my most useless ship.

[@war_robots_gamer]

Bro, I got absolutely bodied by an Indomitable with a Rooke. AND THE ROOK WAS FULLY UPGRADED, WITH THE AA SECTOR ON. What are you talking about? (I'm generally confused) I think this is either a skill issue, a hacker, or an absolute carrier king.

[@sgrb387]

Wdym, indomitable is the best T8 CV when you learn how to use it Not to mention it being super fun The trick is using island cover to stay around 13km-16km away from enemies, the armour is great so in close range it shines well

[@Joshua-fi4ji]

Nah it's still the worst and reliable on RNG Firestarting. The lack of any heavy alpha strike potential limits its battle impact. It's still a CV and strong, but I don't think it's not as strong as the competition. The one thing it doesn't really well is spotted though. I always whip it out when I need spotting damage.

[@guohongli5727]

Indomitable lacks Alpha and just generally lacks game impact. Unlike every other T8 CV it doesn’t get torps and it can’t really kill anything in a decent amount of time. Worst T8 CV

[@mcmaco5711]

I agree with this. Indom requires a certain level of skill to play but, when you know how to play it, it becomes very strong. Not sure about the armor part, tho... The deck is strong, sure, but it can't tank a whole lot. W take.

[@jackconrad2667]

All cv are fun killers lol

[@mcmaco5711]

@@jackconrad2667 I mean, sure. I hate cvs too... But this is not the argument of the conversation. The conversation was on the indomitable, not if we hate cvs or not.

[@Kevinf0212]

If you think the Texas is bad with a 34 second reload, you should try the Oklahoma with a 38 second reload. I think the Oklahoma is worse than the Texas as it's AA isn't that great either.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Because oklahoma is not an aaship sheiss secondary bb at t5

[@SaiIor_Moon]

I'm not sure which is worse, honestly. Oklahoma's main battery is atrociously bad and it doesn't need to be. While I understand Oklahoma's strength is her secondaries, her main battery performance is TOO bad to be justified. As for Texas, she is straight up worse in ALL stats bar AA in comparison to her sister, New York. Awful.

[@RichieKeane]

Wish Id seen this before i wasted all my stuff to get it... At least its not just me... its good at spotting. I tried all the focus stiff..

[@7thsealord888]

Have the Texas and the Cali. There certainly are better, but I take pride in taking them out and doing OK.

[@Ilias_Goddess]

WG putting AA on ships - 4 people with lugers are enough

[@thew0lfy358]

Voltei a jogar no ano passado, depois de um hiato. Nunca vi o thunderer na loja.🤡

[@tarabros2476]

Lol how on earth did you leave the Belfast 43' off this list

[@quisidia5304]

T8 California? Really? But for Picardie, yeah...just a Lyon with reload booster...this ships is like Richelieu and Jean Bart. The same class ships but because one have a little thing better, the ship is put one tier highter.

[@tungnguyenthanh316]

The Indomitable bring me the most credits with very comfortable game play, the biggest downside of this CV is you cant do sh*t to ships had >32mm deck thickness :v

[@FirebladeX1989]

The Tiger 59 was one of my first "free" premium ships that i got from a container. "my dissapointment was imessurable, and maches where ruined" till i found out what a piece of floating garbage this is.

[@gregoryfolsom7882]

Prewatch guesses: Tiger '59 Anhalt California Halford Graf Zeppelin

[@retard-qf2ze]

2/5 :/

[@Joshua-fi4ji]

Graf Zeppelin is unironically very strong. You just have to play around its strengths. It's best in ranked sized games and the plane speed, secondaries and strong AP bombs are very useful.

[@mertc8050]

Lmao halford and graf zeppelin are gimmicky af and potentially op af

[@hannosan]

California (by the way, T VII)...just got her from a community container and she is so slow, everything on her is slow. I am too impatient for this ship.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

I understand your pain. 😔

[@patrickingram2098]

I don't think you can even get the Picardie any more.

[@dutch0770]

California is actually good if you play it what it is.... an HE artillery piece with range for days

[@SaiIor_Moon]

Well yes but actually no. Its HE is a bit middling. I'm not saying you can't have success with that playstyle however, you absolutely can (HE is reliable damage). : )

[@octaviusmorlock]

Get Cleveland instead of Tiger 59.

[@Stephen__White]

I would argue that Oklahoma is worse than Texas. Sure you may not have impossibly long range on your AA guns anymore on Texas, but you do still have better turret angles than New York, and a faster reload than Oklahoma, as well as having AP shells that you know... work. At around 10km Texas will pen around 470mm of armour. Oklahoma pens... ~280mm of armour at 10km. While also having less alpha damage on each of her shells. Texas might not be an unrealistic AA monster anymore, but she's sure better than Oklahoma. 13:19 Maybe it's just me, but I don't find the Americans get consistent guns on their BBs until T9 when they can FINALLY take a dispersion mod. Before that they have the same dispersion formula as the Germans, with slightly better sigma in SOME cases. Meaning the German BBs are able to be more accurate in most cases than any American BB before they reach T9.

[@bulldog2000]

Tiger 59 could probably do better if it just got Belfast treatment with the guns and gave it HE

[@Admiral_Sims]

Sorry about the one game from schill

[@WscieklaWydra]

Hey guys can some1 tell me a bit about Carnot ?

[@jamiebrigance7999]

Even though they mess with aircraft Carrier they're pretty much useless now due to all the nerves specially the new update that come up

[@cooperfage]

Y’all are luck with Cali, legends Cali is one of what I call the silly 3, where it’s at low tier and they just ruin it at those tiers, Cali, Hyuga, and Kamikaze are these 3, but yeah Cali can just pen you no matter how much u angle (not superstructure), and ofc its AA shreds anything, so yeah, y’all are lucky.

[@SaiIor_Moon]

Legends Cali is strong, but not as strong as you're claiming. The only ships she's overmatching are Tier IV ships. Her 356mm guns certainly don't overmatch Tier V and VI ships.

[@cooperfage]

@@SaiIor_Moon I do agree that yeah her 356s can’t overmatch much which is especially needed at tier 5 and 6, but I just feel like when ever I play it or someone else plays it, I swear to god it will pen you even when ur angling at time. But I’m not saying it’s op, I just saying it’s weird

[@Taylor86879]

All of this Ship are better then the average Player :P

[@Zeka_GGWP]

Sherman and Paulo Emilio are both missing from this. F-

[@paulrasmussen8953]

They are not worthless

[@Zeka_GGWP]

@@paulrasmussen8953 Sherman at least has some things going for it but just nothing useful, Paulo is just trash

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@Zeka_GGWP no Paulo is a blitz boat. Sll close range

[@Zeka_GGWP]

@@paulrasmussen8953 Its a ship that rewards donkeys for throwing their ships away for damage which any ship of such description has no place in this game. Its the worst ship in the entire game - worse than delny, elbing, tiger 59, you name it, paulo is worse than it

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@Zeka_GGWP yet 8t wirks abd naby tines survive

[@matthewrotherham4112]

To the defence of Texas she is still better than Oklahoma.

[@AlderaansRanger]

So I should sell my Cali and tiger ‘59!! 😂

[@soullockgaming1885]

California is tier 7 not 8. Lyon has 16 guns not 12

[@brentm9848]

Lyon and Picarde has 16 guns, not 12