Worlds Distance Competition Slow Motion Form

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Find yourself a DGPT event to go to! : dgpt.com/tickets

[@andreasericsson6989]

Albert Tamm just casually walking up and throwing almost 700 on what is clearly a golf line is just insane. Most casual-looking powerthrower in the world imo, backhand and forehand.

[@dwmichaels]

This kind of content is great because, once again, I believe it shows off the difference between the pros and the ams. It's not just huck it as far as you can, it's a huge huck with the ability to land within an area, plus knowing what your discs will do in the environment thrown at top speed. I hope to see Mikey crushing one in a distance competition again and landing in bounds! Hands off to the pros for making it look so easy we all think we can do it! Nice footage, gents. Congrats.

[@durplehaze6484]

Tamm looking like a praying mantis with the slow yet deadly style

[@fd3s64]

Compared to the other mpo's, when Albert throws it looks the most effortless. Least energy in for the output it seems like just by watching. So cool 🙂

[@IanBoyerdiscgolf]

Fave form!!

[@lawrencetchen]

He's got crazy long levers! And makes it look absolutely effortless, the Bazooka!

[@Arodynamics]

0:00 Josh 5:58 Chris Dickerson 579’ 6:13 Cole Redalen 6:27 Eliezra Midtlyng 6:44 Thomas Gilbert 655’ 7:00 Carter Ahrens 605’ 7:14 Eagle McMahon 7:29 Gannon Buhr 637’ 7:45 Garrett Gurthie 631’ 8:01 Calvin Lonnquist 632’ 8:18 Disc Tay 514’ 8:32 Ezra Aderhold 691’ 8:48 Albert Tamm 679’ 9:08 Jeremy Koling 578’ 9:30 Jake Hebenheimer 632’ 9:42 Kevin Jones 631’ 9:57 Silas Schultz 653’ 10:12 Ella Hansen 515’ 10:29 Randon Latta 623’ 10:48 Gavin Rathbun 579’ 11:04 Heidi Laine 522’ (FPO🥇) 11:18 Anthony Barela 698’ (MPO🥇) 11:36 Adam Hammes 537’ 11:57 Mikey

[@WilliamWard-m2o]

missed Blake Whitehead:( 653ft. forehand 5th place stfd!

[@lawrencetchen]

​@@WilliamWard-m2oForehand?!? That's unreal

[@jeffgood1580]

@@WilliamWard-m2obruh

[@robinandersson6624]

Mikey, your positive outlook and determination, even after things didn't go as planned, are truly inspiring! It’s amazing to see how you keep moving forward with such a great attitude. Keep up the awesome energy-you’ve got this man!

[@keisi1574]

It's nice that he got you. 😏

[@drtbke]

The disc golf throw and the golf swing are so fascinating to me. I’m in my late 30’s, I’ve played traditional golf since age 4, found disc golf 14 years ago and love both. Mikey mentioned “creating space”. Traditional golf is so similar. You have to create space between yourself and the club, rotating your hips through the swing, making impact with the ball with a forward shaft lean, with the club bottoming out inches past the ball (irons and wedges, not drivers). If you do that you’ve delivered the club to the ball in the best way possible, with the correct club path to face angle ratio. We call it dropping the club “into the slot”. It’s like the golden ratio for golf. Disc golf may have something similar-a few fundamental benchmarks you’d want to see as one progresses through their throw. I feel like y’all get this, and have for a while, which is one of the reasons why I love this channel!

[@sillyz9578]

Damn Big Jerm still got it

[@tonykaze]

Yo you're looking great brotha, whatever you're doin' keep doin' it! Also huge thanks for making this happen, this is GOLD footage.

[@MorEDiscgolfEDventures]

Let's go cole and tay!!!! Oregon!!!!!!

[@ebueheh]

Just watched an old OT video and realized that Josh has dropped some major L Bs!!! Everyone is getting credit where the credit is due on this video so I Figured Josh deserves a little love as well. Proud of you brother ✊🏻

[@kieronmckay4276]

I did the same thing at MCO this year with most of the field on my channel for a golf shot. Love the slow mo’s of people trying to crush. It’s a lot easier to see the themes of what’s going on that’s correct and where the latitude is for personal style. Like I see other than obviously near perfect timing at everything, the one thing every pro does absolutely the same is the elbow from 90 degrees in the pocket to extended straight right at the hit point, ie super crazy whip at the last moment. I have a bad tendency to kind of “throw my whole arm” so not getting that elbow bent and extended in the timing of the throw, which then acts like a sail slowing down my whole rotation and taking away tons of power. No pro fails to do that perfectly.

[@ChristopherLoverich]

Really cool to see Ezra bomb one to nearly win after last year (I think he was sub-500 every throw last year, or last filmed one I saw anyways). I knew he had way more but didn't realize he was hitting 650+, that's nuts.

[@bsy87]

I figured you'd be a good source to ask this. I've always wondered why they say keep your back foot close to perpendicular to your line as you can. Watching these throws... especially AB's, his foot looks like it is almost parallel to his line. Which always made more sense to me as I feel like you would get better explosiveness from using less abductor muscles and more quads and hamstrings as you do from planting with a more lateral rotation of your back foot.

[@finngrant5385]

Editing and production looking REAL solid!

[@davelopez9161]

I wish, for distance competitions, it would become standard to include the disc and it's weight in the stats.

[@lawrencetchen]

Impressive how much power and speed Heidi Laine can get from the length of levers she has to work with!

[@drtbke]

Mikey your form looks great.

[@thaiger_KING]

Been watching this video over-and-over, can’t get enough! 💪🏽🥏 Just ordered a «Nuke» and a «Destroyer». Thank you!

[@JohnDubU]

👊Mikey. Digging the style of Calvin Lonquist, crisp and clean. Sweet comp, thanks for posting.

[@polecat3067]

Insane how closed carter's shoulders are throughout the swing. He gets so deep into the pocket so early. Reminds me of Wiggins form

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Got to see him mash in person at Ivy Hill. It was awesome. He’s also got an insane forehand

[@davelopez9161]

BTW, This a great video. I wonder though. It seems that a lot of the women have the disc pointed up on the back swing while most men have it pointed down. Is more speed/spin generated by having the disc pointed down vs up?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Pointed down makes it easier to get across the chest without hitting yourself so for obvious physical reasons we are going to see ladies adopt that style more often

[@davelopez9161]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Ok...But does it make a difference to velocity and spin? Do men have higher velocities than women because they point the disc down during the back swing?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@davelopez9161 I don’t think it does

[@McSlobo]

Thanks. Weird that there's no "official" footage of these other competitions.

[@nextgen_performance]

As far as aesthetically pleasing form to watch Ezra has it.

[@swisscheesediscgolf]

Sick vid fellas! But Blake Whitehead was the most insane part of that competition. Top 5 and over 650 ft. with a forehand is bananas.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For sure. I followed his card one round. He didn’t play well but it was obvious he bombs.

[@Grannyknockers]

Giant forehands are almost always former pitchers

[@scoundrel1680]

Having seen Big jerm throw a 510ish foot BOMB in person playing a casual round before thinking it was shocking how far it went, and then seeing AB throw almost 200ft farther than that shot really puts this into perspective. My measly 450ft on my best day after 15 years of playing feels laughable haha!

[@HaikesXO]

It’s insane! People don’t understand how far 650-700 really is until they see it in person

[@eleveneighteen6789]

I saw AB throw over 600' on hole 17 at DGLO 2019. He was the last to tee off on that hole after KJ, McBeth and Clemonade had ripped huge drives (and obviously we'd been seeing them all crush for almost a full round on a bomber course at that point as well) and it was still mind-boggling how far it went. It kind of doesn't make sense. And the sound. Couldn't really hear on 17 as spectators weren't close to the teepad but there were other holes where we were on the side of the fairway only like 70' from the teepad and the sound of their drives is just nuts. Something I've never really heard picked up well on any coverage. It would be cool if someone filmed some stuff where they got the sounds of the discs tearing through the air. But yeah. 600'+ is just crazy and hard to comprehend.

[@bretbowman2007]

Mikey: I regress backward about 8 years whenever I try to throw a Buzzz and can't really help it. I have to go through a short process and evolve to the present again before I can throw it without pivoting off that middle finger first pad, you know, like when we first threw a Frisbee a thousand years ago in childhood and always ended up bleeding there if we didn't stop in time. To be honest, I stopped throwing a Buzzz completely because it was more relaxing that way.

[@davesage4931]

I hope Taylor C emerges on the FPO. That girl can bomb. “Disc Tay”. And she seems as sweet as can be. Rooting for her.

[@lawrencetchen]

FPO on watch! She's demonstrating her heptathlete athleticism basically in the range of error from winning the thing!

[@leogoku13]

@5:57 to skip the unnecessary stuff

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We have time stamps bro

[@HaikesXO]

Ezra is what I think I look like in my head every time I tee off

[@NickCarroll]

Mikey, 2 things to take away from this, just from looking at your form at 14:11 1) You aren't rounding in any of these examples. (horizontal shoulder collapse) 2) You are still shrugging the throwing shoulder to some extent, with the elbow down a touch. (vertical shoulder collapse) That said, the first thing is fixed. You don't show an acute angle on any of these throws, or the ones at 13:00 from the distance competition. At the most acute angle (upper arm to shoulder) you are right at 90 degrees. I don't think that's a problem. You really only have to keep working on the second item, but you have it much improved in your later footage. This is such a hard issue to fix, so for you to make so much progress on this is stellar! I have to deal with both types of shoulder collapse myself, so I'm very familiar with these two problem areas, though I just fixed the rounding problem. I have the same issue where my body reverts to old form on a dime, so I completely empathize with you here. The only solution is more reps and to make the body comfortable with the new form, to where you revert to it when stressed, distracted, or tired. Best of luck to you in your next distance comp! 😁

[@chrisgreene8152]

Can you explain the shoulder collapse in more detail. What is happening and how to correct it. Thanks!

[@NickCarroll]

​@@chrisgreene8152 Essentially the upper arm either a) becomes too loose, or b) is used too aggressively. With the former, the arm is basically flapping around. With the later, usually people reach back too quickly. Both can create an acute angle (less than 90 degrees) between the upper arm and shoulder. That's for rounding. Horizontal shoulder collapse. With vertical shoulder collapse, a) the elbow drops down and is usually pointing downward. This is due to the upper arm being externally rotated at the shoulder. Think of arm wrestling. The starting position (where the arm is pointing up) is externally rotated. The finished position, where you bring the hand down, internally rotates your arm. The second aspect of this issue doesn't always occur, but it's b) shoulder shrugging. Often the shoulder comes up as a result of the external forces (like the arm movement that causes a swoop), but sometimes it's a direct act of shrugging by the thrower. You can have the elbow drop without the shrug, but it's super easy for the shoulder to come up in that case. Basically the key to prevent rounding (horizontal collapse) is to have a more active arm, but it needs to be a more conscious effort to not let it race ahead while reaching back. The key to prevent the elbow drop (and possible shrugging) is to keep the arm internally rotated throughout the swing. This is harder to do, than actually say. But you want to keep the shoulder down (depressed) and out (protracted) during the swing.

[@jakefoust79]

The music 🔥

[@callaway5148]

I'd love to show up to spectate for a pro event. Unfortunately, there are none in the greater Los Angeles area! I need to make it up to LVC next year.

[@AJ-ql6dz]

When I saw Jeremy koling I audibly laughed

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

He bombs though

[@garnerthecube]

Because he throw 100 feet farther than you?

[@jeffgood1580]

So eagles disc is still lapping the earth? Not surprised 🦅

[@michaelwbabbitt]

Love you Mikey.

[@dgspindoctor]

These were thrown to a severe downhill, right?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yes. Very downhill

[@b_urkert]

What do you think of Hebenheimer's roll-your-ankle plant method? 😂

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Roll ankle = 632’ 🧐

[@BlitzDG]

DG Video of the year.

[@DannyFuego1Love]

Ezra smushes 💪🏽🔥

[@cosmictrippy1]

Crazy how much longer their strides are compared to a normal drive. Way more elongated and stretched out than I originally thought!

[@Corrigan65_]

It's probably too late, you moved on but no shame Mikey. Next time. There will be a next time just don't go crazy like the first time. Things break harder the older you get. Keep that right knee happy.

[@Corrigan65_]

Throwing from a tee pad on top of a ski hill is one thing. Where the basket is on the bottom of a hill. Adjustment and adaptation is implicit. Slight downhill is elusive to me. Throwing distance slightly downhill are my worst. The left line of OB (we play it as rough, not OB) . It's not a straight line. It angles inward directly proportional to the distance of your drive and the fade of your disc

[@icetail8]

How does randon latta not hurt his arm?

[@maxray29]

i would have expected more than zero 360 run-ups; i know AB has one, but not sure about anyone else (they have to, right? they throw frisbees for their job!)

[@fakkness]

The thing that stood out to me the most (other than the monstrosity that is Albert Tamm) is Randon not collapsing his elbow like everyone else. Almost completely stiff elbow throughout with just a minor kink from the start. What does that even mean?

[@pythgoreansassistant2789]

That disc shot out of A.B's hands. He's just better.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It’s insane

[@philippundso2975]

i honestly dont see myself ever throw nearly as far. it is crazy

[@FrisbeeRob]

They have a distance competition at every world championships 😉

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I now know

[@Corrigan65_]

I'll say it. Why? WHY at a world's distance competition isn't there concrete? Ok, Grass... Fine but why isn't it flat at least. Is that why none of the braces make sense to me? I'm asking this respectfully mind you. Walking up on a downslope? My right knee woud be like... Hope you know what you're doing Jon.

[@martingriggs6362]

Was Wiggins Jr. there? If not, was it a real competition if the record holder isn't there?

[@YashaKoman]

When is that Zach Nash video coming out?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Already filmed

[@YashaKoman]

@@OverthrowDiscGolfI know but when is it coming out? The world needs to know how crazy talented he is. Can’t wait to watch it

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@YashaKoman It’ll be out this upcoming month I’m sure. Don’t know exact details yet.

[@tjwiets6691]

Did Cole Redalen, Eliezra Midtlyng and Eagle McMahon land any valid shots? None of them had a distance noted.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Cole didn’t have his listed. Eagle didn’t get anything good in bounds (sub 500’). And Eliezra was 445’ turfed basically

[@djksan1]

I just watched every throw in this video frame by frame, and with very few exceptions, I noticed the majority of pros have their hand ABOVE their elbow at some point in their reach-back/pull through until the power pocket (sometimes even in the power pocket) and then when moving to the "hit" the hand drops below the elbow. Tell me I'm not crazy!? Also - if so many pros do it, why is it so "forbidden" from a bio-mechanical point of view? Is it possible that - bio-mechanically - the way our muscles/bones are structured that this is optimal for power generation up to a point? - and therefore shouldn't be discouraged?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

1) the video we released before this was on this topic and answers your question 2) lots o’ hyzer

[@djksan1]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf hmm, so, there is a “if it works, it works” clause/caveat… and if I understand correctly, your advice is something like, it doesn’t matter what you do in the reach back, so long as you get to “here” at the hit, BUT this is the easiest way to get to the right spot/position for the “hit” and avoid problems like nose up, etc.?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@djksan1 right. There’s always a “if it works, it works” clause. But that doesn’t negate best practices. Add to that the fact that there is almost invariably a swoop with big hyzer planes and I’m not surprised to see it here. The elevation change here (severely downhill) made it so players had to put more hyzer than usually to avoid turfing it.

[@NickCarroll]

One thing to think about is sometimes the "rules" get broken by pros, and not just in distance competitions. But most of the time these pros correct by the time the disc is in the power pocket. When you compare from the power pocket to release of the disc, there's not as much difference. But stuff they do preceding the power pocket will vary more. And from the peak of the backswing, even more backwards in time. 🙂

[@djksan1]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf curious, do you have an existing video as to why there is more “swoop” with hyzer throws? My simplistic understanding was that hyzer was created largely by torso lean, so I’m keen to know what you mean about correlation of swoop with hyzer.

[@brannnnnnn]

distance on only some of the throws?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Just what was on the results page

[@TheTeamdom]

This is golden. ❤ Look how Gannon goes buttocks-first, he's turned hips like old-skool. 😮

[@SamuelB-]

Wow, alot of the pros backlegs are pointing almost entirely back 90 deg after the xstep. Interesting.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

To be noted: most of them are throwing toward 10 o’clock and letting it flex all the way over to the right side of the field. So they are walking up almost 45° diagonal of where they might be normally on a tee pad.

[@SamuelB-]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah that's indeed the case.

[@DannyFuego1Love]

Neither Cole or Eagle had distances on their throws, I wonder if that's because they never made it inbounds

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Eagle only got one inbounds that was sub 500’. So basically nothing in bounds

[@ZacAndoe]

Albert is a different animal...

[@DannyFuego1Love]

I bet his was the most accurate with such a controlled form 💯🎯

[@sweetsugar7473]

Keep in mind these guys are throwing extremely under stable distance drivers. GG and AB are my favorite

[@centrcutninex295]

AB does not throw anything understable.

[@sweetsugar7473]

@@centrcutninex295 He doesn't throw stable disc's 700+ft wtf are you smoking??

[@travisfinucane]

6:00

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Did Chris dirty

[@WilliamWard-m2o]

Where's Blake Whitehead? This is what we want to see...

[@flinginfelons8467]

Dang I wanted to see Blake Whiteheads forehand on here …

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Us too. We just weren’t setup for that. Hopefully on the channel in the future though

[@joebialas]

Taylor is an athletic phenom!

[@saemj]

OB should not be part of a distance competition.

[@garnerthecube]

AMEN. It’s ridiculous. Then it’s not a true distance competition if they have to be accurate as well.

[@tonifaunuscloet4800]

Unlisted but in the playlist on purpose?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Nope. You got lucky lol

[@tonifaunuscloet4800]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf haha, great vid too!

[@OjaiBonsai]

Did Eagle go out of bounds? I’m guessing yes with no distance

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yeah. He got one in at 492’

[@garnerthecube]

Who decided to put OB in a distance comp??? Who cares how accurate they are, it’s about who can throw the farthest!

[@lankstadiscs]

How could you guys not include the 653 foot forehand tossed by my homie Blake Whitehead? That’s just insulting. Longest forehand I’ve ever heard of, outthrows Gannon, GG, and many others with a forehand but doesn’t make it into this video? Pshhh

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It was cool to see. But from the camera setup it would have been his butt we were looking at. We welcome him to film slow mo with us

[@lankstadiscs]

@@OverthrowDiscGolfsorry to come at you a bit hot I’ll direct him to the video/channel/comment see if he’d have any interest in doing some video with y’all. He deserves to have his name out there a bit more he’s doing special things with that arm.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@lankstadiscs I followed his card first round at Ivy and was glad I did. He wasn’t throwing the forehand how he wanted but it was still impressive. I was surprised at how serviceable his backhand was considering how elite his forehand is.

[@carsonjewett3349]

No chapter slo mos

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks. They were in the description but KZbin didn’t take them for some reason. Should be fixed now

[@dannyherr6628]

Heidi's distance relative to her height is always insane to me

[@Corrigan65_]

Ok, so 🧀 not only is that the best slow motion footage of a worlds' distance competition. Like the audio music layer OT added. [🦟👣 [inside joke.]]

[@Sniffiez]

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

🦖