Worst Repentance Items

[@holeofdarn]

Wavy Cap adding more champion enemies could add those rainbow champions that for some reason, we only see in the Void.

[@thedarter]

Rainbow champions appear on other floors, wdym? They're just very rare.

[@Zapidalacz]

still a very nice idea

[@RoundusMongus]

@@thedarterYou are correct, but the reason holeofdarn claims that they only appear in the void is because the void has a massively increased chance to spawn champion enemies to try to balance the fact that you’re usually doing it either post-chest/dark room or post-Hush, both of which are near the end of when you’ll still be increasing in power, since other than chests in the final floor, a vast majority of your items come from the first 4 stages of the game, which also means that over 50% of the rooms you’ll find in the void will be easier than your current item progression would be meant to handle.

[@thedarter]

@@RoundusMongus yeah, they are seen more frequently in the void because every enemy is a champion, but the % chance a champion enemy has to be rainbow is the same.

[@holeofdarn]

@@thedarter I know, I just said “only in the Void” because that’s where most people find them

[@Hutts]

Take a drink every time you can tell a commenter commented after only seeing the thumbnail.

[@noskalborg723]

Jokes on you, i don't drink! Don't drink much water either (OW my kidneys. 😆) Thanks for making this lurker a happy video viewer. I know we have differing worldviews, but you are a great man with a good heart and a lot of talent, you deserve to be one of the greats in media, and i love that you don't sellout to get there. You will get the good you deserve someday. I just hope it comes before the complete apocalypse 😂. God bless you Hutts.

[@SuerWojtek531]

Every time i get guillotine i regret it, maybe not the worst item but no shot I'll ever take it again

[@ToasterRH]

ESPECIALLY with transcendence

[@Wedr676]

I think that the tears delay down can really help in some runs where the cap has been set low, but i still avoid this item 9/10 times

[@worldalternate]

I am definitely a weirdo then, since I always take it. The body being isolated from the head actually helps be dodge enemy tears more easily

[@a29_12]

they could give it slight homing to make it more accurate but... tier 3 for fucking tear and damage up but high inaccuracy?

[@Henrix1998]

I only take it when it actively breaks the tear cap. If it doesn't immediately do that, no way

[@drive_6665]

There's one item that I would add to the list: clicker That's because: - on use it REMOVES THE GOD DAMN LAST PASSIVE ITEM YOU PICKED UP - if you have car battery you transform twice and lose the last two picked up items - all red heart containers are lost if you transform into blue baby or other characters that can only have soul/black hearts. They're not transformed into soul/black hearts, they're lost. If you would die because you had no health, you gain half a soul heart (such kindness...) And the list goes on and on, this item is just trash

[@nebulous9280]

Fr. The only thing Clicker was ever good for was cheesing unlocks with T. Cain.

[@duothehybrid]

anything destroyed by the item as a result of incompatible health should drop on the ground instead

[@regalvas]

I thought the same thing until I reroll one run to Azazel and one to bethany. Overall I think is ok if you have resources but would like to chance it for a character with inate stuff.

[@nebulous9280]

@@regalvas For streaking I can definitely see some practical uses. Like an Eden Streak with low damage and a crappy first passive gambling to get something like T. Forgotten or Azazel. There's just so many cases where all it does is eat a passive and turn you into like, Judas, default Isaac, Maggie, Cain, or Blue Baby. Or worse, T. Lost or Keeper.

[@yohanbosu]

i would remove it all together. the devs are scared that we are cheesing unlocks with it and so they make it trash. but this item has no benefit at all.

[@HunterTracks]

Libra is awesome with the Keeper, since his innate triple shot is not a multiplier you can actually get fairly high tears even with just his starting stats.

[@jajasking9652]

And with the quad shot of the tainted version, is even better

[@luckycheetah9352]

I like the dataminer idea! One thing I thought that would add to it is instead of revealing a random item on the floor there could be different chances depending on how high the charge is. For example with one charge dataminer would have a higher chance reveal the item in the shop. However with 12 charges it would have a higher chance to reveal the item in the devil/angel. Basically higher charge = better room revealed.

[@MDoorpsy]

Don't think that's a good enough reward for 12 charges, personally. Everyone pretty much always wants to get to the angel/devil room every floor, it's kind of what the whole game's meta is built around. The knowledge only help if the devil deal item sucks, so you can purposefully either skip it that floor by taking red heart damage, or so you can try to alter your angel chance with Sac rooms. How about, at 12 charges, instead of information, you actually get a super re-roll, where the item in the room you use it in is guaranteed to be at least 1 quality level higher than the item you used it on.

[@kittens0010]

​@@MDoorpsynope you would just stack up on q4's if that wad added

[@MDoorpsy]

@@kittens0010 How about 6 room charge, but you have a 50% to drop the item quality?

[@TopTierGamer2]

I also have a little idea to rework Dataminer, so upon using it before clearing the boss room it will teleport you to a faint angel/devil room and will show you one item that appears in the current room, however if you don't manage to go to that devil/angel room it will not breakfast like disappear forever so that you can still have a chance of finding it naturally

[@Buramog]

Dataminer could work like an Anti Curse of the blind to "datamine" the info of the hidden items Edit: Mixed up Curse of the Lost and the Blind

[@MageBones]

A good idea, maybe when you use it, it can remove 1 curse that obscures information. The ones that hides your health, or map, or items on the floor. Or when you use it, it reveals one unexplored room on the floor, randomly.

[@DeathEggz]

Yeah I like that

[@dylaneverett4586]

I like the idea of dataminer showing a random item that is guaranteed to show up in the next floor or two, but doesn’t tell you when/where. So you can for example know that you’ll see black candle, and you didn’t see it in the shop, so you can figure out it will be in the curse room. Stuff like that.

[@Buramog]

@@dylaneverett4586 That would make it too similar to Dream Catcher in my opinion

[@bonziboyspy]

Like a mini temporary black candle I like it would definitely be a active you'd hold until you get a better one but great for the alt floors and way better than just doing nothing I like this

[@connorclark3661]

Surprised 'delirious' flew under the radar. For an item meant to parallel mega blast, it's hugely underwhelming. Its charge of twelve rooms means you'll want to save it for the boss of the floor, but there's no guarantee you'll get a strong boss from it. Having pin try to help is nice and all, but there's not a lot he can do when he's up against the cage. It's also one of the rarest items in the game, having both a reduced spawn weight and only appearing in the angel room item pool which is one of the harder pools to pull from consistently. Three potential upgrades come to mind: 1) Reduce it to a one-room charge that steadily fills back up like sharp straw. This turns it into the opposite of mega blast: it can be used near endlessly at the cost of fluctuating performance, whereas mega blast is slower to charge but always strong. This can also help get some fun out of gnawed leaf (finally). Instead of walking away from the game and letting your familiars win for you, you can now watch the bosses duel each other. If it doesn't end in your summons favour, you can just wait and try again (or keep adding bosses if they survive long enough). 2) Add more final bosses to its spawn pool. The only one I've seen it spawn is hush. 3) Add it to more items pools! It can still have a reduced spawn weight, but now there can be a few more opportunities for it to appear per run.

[@MDoorpsy]

Why not just have it so the boss can follow you from room to room, like how Mega Blast works? Have it be that you summon a boss to help you, but the boss disappears either after 2 minutes, or once its health is depleted.

[@1971taks]

It should also spawn a boss thats on the floor or the floor before Like War vs pestilence Reap creep vs rainmaker Bumbino vs min min It would make it a lot better when its not spawning larry jr all the time

[@richardwatson1254]

Bruh, the bosses spawned by Delirious speedkill other bosses. Just because you never exit your comfort zone doesn't make an item bad. The only thing need fixing is to remove or fix segmented bosses. That's it, that's literally it, and Delirious would be S tier. Although yeah, I'd agree for the item to be more fun, like Glass Cannon or Holy Water.

[@timmyreobed5043]

​​@@richardwatson1254You know what other actives kill bosses quickly? Shoop Da Woop, Crack the Sky, Head of Krampus, Gello, and Book of Belial. You know what those items have that Delirious doesn't? A reasonable amount of charge bars for what they do, and far greater consistency. Delirious is ass, even as a "Boss killer," because so many other items do just that, and also other things.

[@buttersddragon]

idea i just had for it: make it so you can use it at different charge levels, with more charges giving you a stronger boss.

[@SlayXc2]

Glad my Libra video helped you :D Also god damn, you really hate mushrooms huh? xD Btw, it it just me or did you forget to talk about Abel? You had him listed at the "top" but he wasn't in the video. I feel like he deserves to be omega-buffed just for the meme :D

[@dd6742]

Hi dude

[@gumloproductions]

Also, libra+soy milk retains the auto-charge of soy milk with base damage (with monstro's lung and stuff)

[@shrub8644]

With God's Flesh the shrunken explosive enemies should make a similar harmless explosion that makes the same sound as the 7 seals red locust

[@mayonnaiseonanescalator540]

​@@knight4878 you mean them dealing reduced damage? if so, it would be interesting, but might be a bit too strong

[@mayonnaiseonanescalator540]

@@knight4878 oh I thought you meant like wafer, yeah the damage multiplier could be interesting

[@brawndior9822]

i get what your saying about odd mushroom…. but to say its one of the worst items in the entire game not true ive had plenty full clear runs with odd mush , just seeing odd mush and missing no in the same line is unthinkable

[@KeDe1606]

@@brawndior98221. this has absolutely nothing to do with the original comment. 2. that is not a good argument in T.O.M.‘s favor. You can theoretically complete an Omega run with nothing but Soy Milk, Number 1, Dead Onion and the Wiz Cap. Does that mean that this combination of items is secretly godlike and absolutely folds the game as if it’s a piece of laundry? Hell no! Not by a long shot! And the same holds true for Thin Odd. You didn’t have a good run BECAUSE of Thin Odd, but IN SPITE of it. That’s like using Dataminer with Rock Bottom and then saying that it’s secretly a god tier item. It isn’t. In any other scenario, it’s absolutely worthless at best, and actually detrimental at worst

[@brawndior9822]

@@KeDe1606 1. Yea i def didnt mean to comment here just wanted my own comment, but nah you cant gave a major tears up item that is almost always obtained early in a run that low … its just not possible.

[@MightbeLumi]

A hutts video starting with “worst” always a certified classic.🔥

[@pararaversaly]

I am surprised that clicker wasn't on this list. The only use it has is to get unlocks with different characters but it only works if you get lucky. Plus if you are at 100% it does nothing. I think a cool rework is for it to be 1 time use, let you select between 3 characters, and have it give a small birthright-like effect depending on the character you select. Like Maggie would let you have 1 extra red heart or Judas having reduced devil deal prices.

[@Humblemumble7]

Very cool idea!

[@WallJumpGaming]

it does have a use, you're the tainted lost and you've lost your last bloody shield. and you're going to fight hush in the blue womb right this instant i usually clicker myself away (if i ever have ot around lol), get some hearts and then win the run as a result

[@pararaversaly]

@@WallJumpGaming Dude you can do that with my rework suggestion and not get rnged into tainted jacob

[@dlp6567]

​@@WallJumpGamingthen why did you play TLost at the first place? For unlocks? well sheiße, you are not TLost now, no unlocks for you.

[@ErisEntropy]

Thin odd mushroom breaking tear cap seems like the most fun of your suggestions. It does something that normally isn't possible, and keeping the damage multiplier would prevent it from being OP for most cases.

[@thebruh5667]

if tons of items become amazing because of another item it just means that other item (rock bottom) is really good and makes bad items redeemable adding to it’s value not the bad item’s

[@thedarter]

In a game about synergies, an item having good synergies IS kind of a defense of its usefulness, even if it's bad at base. Pop! and Lacryphagy, for example, are kind of sucky items on their own. But people don't complain about them because, yknow, pop and lacryphagy are crazy synergy items. Now if an item only has one or two synergies then I could agree, but that's less the fault of that item than it is the game for not making better synergies.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@thedarter The items are a part of the game though. And the synergies are a part of the item.

[@mixamasl]

@@thedarter All this is true and etc. but we are talking about rock bottom - item, that doesn't let the stats go down in any way. Bad items don't synergise with it, it's effect just overweights all their pros by almost nullifying them.

[@KeDe1606]

@@thedarteras mixamasl said, that’s not a good argument in favor of Dataminer. The thing that makes Pop! and Lacryphagy so good is the sheer amount of borderline gamebreaking synergies they can produce. These two items, along with Rock Bottom, are „gateway items“. Not that great on their own, but their mere existence increases the strength of other items tenfold. Dataminer is no such item. It is ONLY useful if you ALREADY HAVE Rock Bottom. That doesn’t make Dataminer good or even passable, that just means that Rock Bottom is absolutely godlike. Yes, synergies are a big part of the game, but if an item can only be even somewhat passable when you already have one very specific, extremely powerful item, that means that said item is not a good item. And even then, there are countless items which are just 100 times better with Rock Bottom than Dataminer could ever hope to be. Dataminer is pure, unadulterated garbage. And there’s nothing that’s ever gonna change that fact

[@thedarter]

@@KeDe1606 my point was that they were saying it's only useful with a synergy, even though there are tons of items that are only good with synergies. It's not a good item, no doubt about it, but judging an item on its use independently of other items is silly.

[@RonaldCai-kp7hc]

I’m so glad Libra got its redemption. It was personally one of my favorites, and actually it has one other additional benefit, which is the more stat up items you get, the bigger the increase in ALL of your stats. It makes all those range ups and speed ups all the more better.

[@jajasking9652]

Yeah, is a must take for me unless i have notable positive damage multiplayer items ( inmaculate heart 1,2 multiplayer damage increase is not that huge ) and i Will think about it if i have brimstone or monstro lung Edit: having items like haemolacria is a must take even if i have sacred heart, and i would like a final Buff to libra: Delete tears cap for libra, soo, if a get a tears Up when i usually got to the tears cap, then, i would still get stats as normal, would be specially usefull if i have sacred orb, which gets rid off of tons of range/speed Up items

[@hideout7398]

I appreciate your opinion! Cursed Eye effect is absolutely genius, it should definitely be realised Here are my thoughts about some other items you mentioned: -Wavy Cap: taking into account all what you’ve said, I also wanna add that it probably should at least apply tears up effect for the whole floor, not just for the current room -God’s Flesh: what if it split bosses into two and more smaller versions with less health (spawning in a position without dealing contact damage to Isaac)? Basically, a passive Meat Cleaver! -Lil Portal: maybe a bit cliche, but again, if it still consumed pickups, why not give it a chance to give items? Because flies don’t have the same value for sure -Missing No: considering the fact that there were occurrences of the item being completely reworked, what if it turned your active items into passive items of random quality and pool upon entering a new floor? Let’s say, turn your Lemon Mishap into a Kidney Stone!

[@lieutenantdundee3916]

That would make god's flesh even worse. 2 bloats... eugh

[@Matsupitsu2nd]

Lil Portal having higher chance to teleport to error room/secret/super secret/ultra secret room depending of value of items it eats would be cool maybe eat items too?

[@risinghonor7]

Dataminer - reroll an item into a tmt trainer item

[@AntunesYoMate]

The wavy cap idea is insanely good, I just think it would be way more interesting if the tear ups you get from it stayed with you in between rooms based on how much the effect is active lowering every room clear without using it again

[@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708]

I feel Mars should be higher priority since getting it in a planetarium is awful and most of the time you're better off not picking it up

[@legionkubi]

That and jupiter

[@funkr4674]

I disagree, Mars has some really good utility and can really help in good situationss

[@mr.mister3960]

​@@funkr4674yeah and in literally every other scenario it's a hit you wouldn't have taken if you didn't pick it up.

[@funkr4674]

@@mr.mister3960 that's where Isaac players will chant "skill issue" Though it would be better to change the item to a keybind, probably

[@funkr4674]

Nice grub pfp btw (based)

[@Day-By_Me]

God's flesh, i think it would be funny if it could shrink bosses, but instead of isaac just needing to stomp on them to kill them, make it so that bosses take double damage, bosses that are able to jump really high like monstro or fly, instead just go up on the screen, bosses that can go through walls like pride, would not be able to do this anymore, and instead, just fly across the room

[@naefaren3515]

What a nice video. It has the potential to bring some arguements, but I love the way you phrased this and the unique ideas for reworking the items. Would love to see some of these get updated the way you said!

[@tobiastzfanya3949]

Dataminer: I really like your idea of 'actual datamining'. How about something like, you can use it to break through to red rooms, same as the notched axe can break through to secret rooms, and when you do it has a fairly high chance to turn that red room into a special room, like a shop or devil deal etc. However, I would like it to still have something of the middle finger to dataminers, so maybe there's also a chance that you walk into the red room you've just made and it's the I Am Error room. Thin Odd Mushroom: Yes to breaking the tear cap, I think that's the best solution. Lil' Portal: How about it's a bounce-around-the-room type familiar, and it pulls enemies towards it when it's near? Missing No: When you re-roll items, it just shouldn't affect your health. You don't gain bonus red health from re-rolling into a health item, but you also don't lose health from re-rolling out of it. That would be problem solved for me. Yes, this would mean some of the re-rolls are useless, but that's only going to be a small fraction of the items. Tainted Eden should also have this same mechanic. Another one for me is GB Bug. I much preferred it in its previous format. I know it was changed because it was underwhelming, but instead of what we have currently, how about: it bounces around the room, and if it touches enemies it has a chance to de-evolve them like the D10; if it touches pickups it has a chance to double them like room drops with broken modem; if it touches tears it has a chance to delete them like broken modem; if it touches environment objects it has a chance to re-roll them like D12; if it touches items it has a (small) chance to apply the Glitched Crown effect to them or a (very small) chance to turn them into a TM Trainer item. Really make it glitchy. I think that would be a lot of fun.

[@ActuallyMaxx]

Would love having lil portal drag enemies into me because I cant control it😂🤣

[@tobiastzfanya3949]

@@ActuallyMaxx oh yes, valid point. Still, that's not much different to something like Ocular Rift, and if the contact damage on Lil Portal was alright I'd be happy with that risk.

[@paulakroy2635]

Tainted Eden should not have that mechanic. It’s the type of mechanic that seems good on paper but then you get 12 heart containers and can’t get ride of them

[@devilbowser253]

I have always believed that if something is only good after or with something else, then it was never good in the first place and its nice to know someone else shares at least a similar sentiment

[@Hithere-uz6wd]

*looks at rock bottom*

[@doc5957]

I rly like the lil portal idea (and the others too) But I can follow up on the "lil portal absorbing enemy shots" Make it so that it can only absorb 4-7 shots every time lil portal gets thrown And instead of spawning a portal when fighting , it spawns more flies , or even a charmed enemy if u rly wanna get funny with it That way let's say ur fighting delirium or hush Lil portal wouldn't spawn too many portals , making them a liability since it would teleport u to another room , leading to reseting the fight altogether with the previous portals still staying in the room Nice vid overall :)

[@ky7501]

I think you should have touched on dataminer being able to take you to 120 fire rate if you get lucky with the tears downs. However, it’s still not really practical in a run to pull off, as you basically would need to both 1) get lucky with the stats and 2) endure the game for a while with super low fire rate before hitting the 120

[@kenox_wolffo]

My personal list of items that i'd like to have a bit of love

[@somekindofforcedpunonnikki2775]

Doesn't glaucoma make you permanently concuss enemies? I think it also makes your screen a tad darker as well which is kinda dumba but make sense cause of the name.

[@kenox_wolffo]

@@somekindofforcedpunonnikki2775 yes it has 5% not affected by luck and no other stat up so its worse iron bar. Also i hardly ever see the effect on normal run maybe because its 1 in 20 shots that apply this and you are not going to shot 20 times in one enemy exept soy milk but for me its like this item doesnt even exist

[@FrazzleFlib]

i love the idea of dataminer being an item predictor, more items need the ability to do this since its the main way to get planetariums and only dreamcatcher and glowing hourglass have this ablility

[@Sebboebbo]

Da king is back baby he neva miss

[@PapaWace]

Hutts. I have been watching your content since I was in 8th grade. I'm almost 22 now, and i just wanna say i love your content and humor. I hope the stress of types of content doesn't overwhelm you as much nowadays. I will always be a supporter and fan of this channel. Stay awesome. ❤

[@nordvirus]

Same bro Same

[@adriansrsa90]

Bro did the nuttiest transition to Dont Starve ive ever seen, if that was an ad id buy it immediately

[@noskalborg723]

I hope the editor sees your comment

[@hyliangamer1707]

I love on how well thought out this whole video is. That now makes me curious on if you would try doing a worst guns or items from enter the gungeon.

[@tijldeschermer2716]

The dataminer idea is gold

[@-creev]

I would love more discussion videos like this, like just generally talking about the game and it’s balance,Or about other games like Tunic. Hutts Reviews would be nice 👀👀👀

[@zombysaur842]

Butter Bean isnt that bad it easily deflects enemy bullets and it has way faster recharge now. Its actually good for bullet hell bosses like Hush

[@ayakaasama]

pretty niche use which is irrelevant if you can dodge

[@jajasking9652]

​@@ayakaasamanot niche, but rather one of the two actives in Isaac that have constant high skill cealling ( being the other one Breath of Life ) you can save a lot of HP by reflecting attacks that you couldn't dodge, but you need to constantly have good time reaction and good timing when using it, think this item as an active version of Lil dumpy

[@eltiolavara9]

butter bean is really good but people still have the mindset of "oh its bad" so they never use it but it can save you from damage a ton and it can get enemies off you and even kill them

[@icetide9411]

Spirit Sword is an item that will basically win your run by itself, but it's so unfun. I kid you not, one time I was doing a tainted Azazel run and got it, but since it literally gets rid of all his special abilities I used the debug console to remove it. Not to mention it will make every muscle in your fingers die because you just have to clickclickclickclickclick

[@adamtrout7711]

Mom's Knife has done the same thing for years

[@pyrojack8230]

Data miner is really really good in a few situations, one of them is if you have a really low tear stat or damage stat from something like Soy Milk or Polyphemus or Haemolacria. Stat underflows are hard to get but are so good you physically can't obtain it without data miner.

[@noskalborg723]

I will now make angry, uncivil noises: Rawr! Grrr! Thanks for the video. I am a no-play lurker, this helped me understand things better.

[@aidanblackburn5357]

Love the format, the stream footage with you talking in the front. Works well.

[@cinnamongem3052]

Honestly I like that idea for wavy cap. It’d save my eyes from burning if there wasn’t every color known to man on my screen

[@Chelarino]

i think it's hysterical (and not in a good way) how there are so few items with reroll protection, and missingno is one of them it makes your run incredibly unstable as soon as you pick it up, takes away everything that you love, and there is pretty much no way to get rid of it i get that it shouldn't reroll itself, it would be pretty much just a one time d4 otherwise, but why is it immune to all other rerolls as well? picking it up manually is already dangerous enough, but it's even more annoying if you reroll into it, which is basically guaranteed to happen sooner or later if you are either playing t. eden or just really like using d4 and other sources of its effect for content because with the secret room pool having so many cool items, of course you are gonna go for one or two of them if you are good at the game but here is where it gets hilarious, because the secret room pool also contains tmtrainer, which makes it so that once you roll into it, all the items that come after it in the item list will become corrupted which is already considerably harder to play with than a run with normal items which you got to cherrypick and then it just gets worse from there... pretty much just made me never pick up any secret room items with tainted eden also i really like libra now too the formula doesn't rob you as much anymore so now if you think about it, libra just makes it so that every stat up becomes a dps up, eh? sure you gain less dps overall from the damage ups you would otherwise get really excited about but also previously boring range-, speed- and shot speed ups suddenly become very exciting, so you have a much higher variety of items to go for if you have choices it's just very consistent, which is kinda it's whole thing to be fair also you are so right why is lil portal not doubletap they literally flexed with the doubletap feature like "look guys gb bug is cool now" and yeah it is, then why does lil portal, a COMPLETELY new item keep eating all my stuff infront of my nose and giving me portals to places i don't need them?

[@umbrosia5202]

I agree with all but the night light. It helped me a lot of times and I just love it. The problem with making it facing thr direction that you shoot would be, that you can't use it in a diagonal direction effectively.

[@masterkevkev]

1: Dataminer - Upon use, an animation plays (like the playing of a card) where *something* on the floor is datamined for future sight - animation depicts code flying down the screen as you see it zoom into a "line" of code. You'll see 1 of the following if used in an *OPEN* room with no enemies: - The item (or items) in any item room (be it item room, devil, angel, planetarium, etc) - The miniboss of the floor, if there is one (including if your shop is going to be greed or not!). - An image of a pill and the stat it affects (example: So you'll see a white and yellow pill and see luck with an up arrow - signifying *that* pill to be a luck up even if you never took it), that *will* appear on the floor somewhere eventually (be it a room reward, shop choice, or even coming out of a form of Mom's Pills items) - What the ERROR room's configuration and items look like (Exclusive to a singular floor) - Reveal and mark exactly where delirium is - *If a crawlspace or secret/super/ultra room is possible and there* - reveal it and open it via. an explosion, a pickaxe swing, or some other animation (like holy light). The animation that reveals it is a bit glitchy as if it was hacked in to be used to reveal it. If used in a room *with* enemies, 1 of the following (most of which, will be unknown unless a certain thing happens) will occur: - The next time you're hit, game reverses 2 seconds as you see code being deleted in an animation (negate 1 hit) - One of the enemies in the room is *deleted* - much to the effect of eraser, this enemy and any others like it in the room are removed (cannot affect bosses). It prevents that enemy from existing in the room permanently (removed flies against duke of flies? *That* specific fly cannot exist in the fight). Every time the enemy tries to reappear/exist due to some spawning mechanism, hear a glitch sound effect to signify their code is 'removed'. - Permanently reveal the health of enemies in the room (if not already visible), including showing where enemies are even if they're invisible, off screen, or underground. - Open all doors in the room, even if they're supposed to be immune to bombs (Boss rush room could be opened during the mother fight, akin to using mama mega). 4: I agree wholeheartedly. Make the shrinking of the enemy also *SLOW* the enemy, as them running away from you seems to have an unaffected level of speed and trying to squish certain enemies is already a pain of a focus. In fact, why not just have them sit still in fear while shrunken? Give a makeshift form of freezing the enemy in place, but without "freezing". Honestly, *all* (if not most) babies should obtain certain buffs off of isaac. Should all babies shoot brimstone? No. But if I get chance to fire poison tears, razor blades, kidney stone? Let the *babies* have the chance to do that. Their damage is so pitiful, and *VERY LITTLE* helps them (in *ANY* form, not just damage) - that I almost never pick it up due to how even conjoined sometimes is a complete nerf (and very hazardous depending on your tear!) :c ... All of what you've stated is what I agree with. What is listed above is what I'd change/add/subtract/etc; And babies really should be "something". I don't care if all the babies rarity's move up by 1 or 2 - make it so when I see even little loki, I go "Ooh, that could help this run!" not "Horray... maybe you'll kill a fly for me" 😮‍💨

[@theunmobablespes6582]

Libra is amazing because after picking it up all follwing stat upgrades become all stat ups. Yes, minor stat ups but it's adding up in the Long term. And it does add 6 bombs, coins and keys so it's very powerful early on like first two floors to get breathing room for finding Secret rooms and going alt path/ getting something from the shop.

[@Hithere-uz6wd]

Its nice on a run where you still have base damage on the womb. But when you have only found damage ups i would avoid it.

[@averageidiot6645]

I like the wavy cap idea, especially the stuff about the champion enemies. You fight pink haunt so you stay in front of him for the laser, but actually it's reg haunt and the laser is forward.

[@superexplosion5985]

My thoughts on this video 1: dataminer Agreed. It's one of the worst items in the game. Also i think that your idea to buff it by making it reveal hidden info is a great idea 2: Thin mushroom Don't agree. I don't think You're accounting for the runs that need early game potentiall 3: Wavy cap Partly agree. I also think that the playdough cookie should also be a little more epilepsy friendly 4: god's flesh Agree. Personally I don't take it because it makes enemies impossible to see and because of the reason you mentioned. I think removing enemies hurting you would be a good buff -5: Libra- -Don't agree. There's some situations where Libra is busted if you have the right items (also rip soy milk and Libra, hate that they patched that)- 6: Lil portal Agreed 7: Missing No. Agreed. Inconsistant strategies are run killers (Also for some reason I feel like this item won't change) Others: mom's bra/pad, and Butter bean: no comment Taurus: agreed The babies: because they contribute to conjoined I consider them ok. But I still think they could still be buffed Bag of crafting: -short term memory issue- I forgot what to say Cursed eye: I like the idea that it just teleports you to a random part of the room like if you used a teleport card in the beast fight Mars: I literally have a clip from a run where I took mars and lost because of it Ludo: -sounds like skill issue- no comment again Spirit sword/abyss: imo don't need buffs but I agree it would be nicer if they did have more synergies

[@lordmeep5803]

Great ideas!!! I’d say clicker should be in here too, but it’s hard to fault this list. I do still love the odd mushroom (skinny) for early game since the damage knock down isn’t that big a deal if you’ve progressed far enough, but all valid criticism I feel!

[@Tael98]

I never knew I needed Family-Guy-death-pose-Tim until today

[@BluePipe471]

When thinking about bad items I try not to focus only on the practical effect of the item, but also on the design of the item, in other words, what the item is trying to be. For example, Missing No. is bad for your runs, yes, but that item's effect is well designed and is fun. Missing No. is good at its job. On the other hand, an item like Data Miner fails to accomplish its purpose because the effect that is has under-delivers on the potential of its design, same with Lil' Portal, an item that is detrimental at worse and lame at best, or Abyss, an item that is clearly under-developed.

[@MDoorpsy]

Same. Certain items, like Cursed Eye, Missing No, Bob's Brain, or Tiny Planet, don't really exist with the expectation you will choose to pick them up. They basically exist to make the player pause before picking up an item while they have Curse of the Blind active, and as such it doesn't really make sense to make them too good. They're meant to be bad on purpose. Dataminer is an active, though, so it doesn't really fit that mold.

[@gamewhale01]

This isn’t an item take but I gotta say these last few videos have made me very happy. Tbh I think since reducing the number of editors, as difficult as that had to be, more “Hutts” is coming through in the videos.

[@flopps1051]

Ludo needs to be faster or have tears up affect its movement speed instead. A lot of the time it's just too slow which just makes it more unwieldy to use, and it doesn't help that there aren't many shot speed up items

[@deoxysandmew2162]

I agree. It should give you a solid Shot Speed Up.

[@bonziboyspy]

Genuinely this would fix the whole item for me my one issue is that if im in a XL room with like 12 roundworms I would love if I could actually get my tear over to them before they move halfway across the room... it's synergies are fun and it is usable but a solid speed up could probably save it

[@Makachumbo]

its a solid list of ideas right there I like the Dataminer idea, but It would be awesome if it Becomes an active item that either: a) acts like blue map, but for red rooms so to show where possible extra item/shop or ultra secret rooms are. or b) Prevents the secondary items on the alternative floors from being blind. I'd take dataminer and the alternate path every run if it were like this.

[@Lonslo]

Black powder really needs some love man I'd take Sister Maggy in a devil pool before the devils dust

[@daleodorito]

-Dataminer: when used shows the next item that would show from a random pool (shoop, treasure room, deal, boss, chess...); you can decide to take it inmediatly instead of waiting for it to show normally, if you do, you have chance of something "glitchy" happening, usually something bad (swap stats around, losing items, rerolling your character... that kind of random stuff); you can also reuse Dataminer into the item that was generated by it to make it disappear, this will reroll the item when it shows in the future. -Odd mushroom: I never take this cause is basically forcing you to do 10% less damage and you eventually cap fire rate anyways as said, any of the changes shown would be fine, but what about if it just stop reducing your damage when you overcap the tear ups it gives you?, like after you cap fire rate, any further tear ups will give you damage instead until you compensate the negative multiplier. -Wavy cap: I think this is fine, it is not meant to be an actual item that you abuse to win, it is just random fun; you can just use it a couple of time and you get some nice amoint of damage with barely any downside. But is you want to make it a bit better, just make that some items interact with it, maybe syringes increase the bonus you get from it, maybe PHD makes you more resilient to negative effect, maybe Fun guy makes it so you have a chance of healing when used... -God flesh: I genuinely don't like this item by design, like I don't want to randomly make an enemy go small and me trying to step on it running like crazy chasing him, his hitbox becomes smaller and he gets faster and also he can just randomly decide that he is no longer small and instahit you cause you were running towards him so is very annoying to use; and there is barely no reward, you don't really gain that much damage. If you want to make this something I will consider taking make it work on bosses making them a bit smaller and reducing their max health for a short while, making the damage you deal in that period is more in comparison. -Libra: maybe, and just maybe it needs a very small buff to stat conversion, cause is very rare to actually get good stats with this item. -Littlr portal: I would make it an active item with a passive effect, keep it as it is, but just make the sucking stuff its active, it would suck ALL consumables on the room, and open a portal to a random room, the higher the combined quality of the items sucked, the more likely to get a better room (angel/devil deals, secret rooms, shops...) -Missing no: not sure you can make this item good without breaking it's essence. Maybe juts tie rerolls to item quality? Like you always reroll into a item AT LEAST the same quality as the one that was rerolled, eventually giving you all high quality items. Which, considering you may be lacking a lot of basic stats increases might not be that good but at least is kinda more fun. -Babys: they are all trash, by design, they are not meant to be something you are happy to get that's the point, they are good as they are. If you want to buff them is better to introduce things that synergize with them rather than buff them directly. -Bag of crafting: telling you what it might craft would definitely not feel like actual Isaac. I don't really know how to make this good without being supercomplicated. External item description pretty much fixes this but is too complicated to put in the actual game as it is. -Spirit sword: is fucking cool man, it just maybe needs to work a little bit more like forgotten bonk, it feels that it has more punch -Locusts: they are no sense, you just turn bad items into locusts, there is no point in doing otherwise; you will keep the good ones, special effects need to be AWAY better to even consider, and still, they are juts more boring that normal tears -Ludovico: I love Ludovico; maybe just buff it a little to make it so it autoaims a little towards enemies (increased by range) instead of moving slowly towards you when afar

[@byrontheusurper6505]

I love thin odd mush, but I didn't know about the negstive effect either!

[@HyphonDnB]

Can I just say Hutts, I have been watching you for absolute years and I started playing issac because of you! Great video as always and keep up the stellar work lad!!

[@JuneRabbit32]

i like Dataminer a lot as currently it is, sure it might be just "bleh" but i just like so much the visual effects it causes and the distortion of music, i find it super cool but definitely could use a rework to make it more worth taking over another much more useful active item also, once tried to do a challenge where you play as T. Eden and everytime you get hit you activate Dataminer so some REAL chaos ensures in your run, overall great video and awesome ideas for reworks!

[@RottedMushroom]

The only one I disagreed with was Libra but then you removed it. I am glad to see you're gonna give it a chance, I personally am always happy to see it on a run.

[@WyThatGuy]

(note the following opinion is from a guy who usually takes familiars, or priorities them) With all do respect I do think lil'void isn't that bad, however I do see where your coming from. Another thing I think the changes for sister, brother and ghost baby might be too good even if they are small chances. For me I think the sworn protector familiar/orbital should get buffed, how? How about a 5 or 15% chance to do a holy light beam effect on contact. I feel like it's not to much, still usable but I kinda dislike it, with the light beams I feel like it would be better and some people would probably like it as well. As another thing I think guardian angel should be like dry/fat baby and block projectiles and if it gets hit enough it could do a crack the sky effect.

[@dinoaurus1]

Butter bean can repel projectiles on use now, essentially a worse telekinesis

[@SegmentW]

I appreciate Hutts' knowledge of TBOI

[@noskalborg723]

Me too, and i don't even play it

[@stickbro4118]

for abyss, I think that your idea about spoon bender's effect being applied to ALL the locusts would be a good running theme for a lot the abyss synergies where every locust gets an upgrade. kinda like tained eve's blots except you sac items instead of your health

[@Nitrome333]

Ludo is actually my favorite item. It's incredibly unique and has good synergies with a lot of good items. However, the only way I can play with it is if I use my mouse to aim. Using the mouse means you can go directly from point a to point b; you're not restricted to 8 directions. Yes, it is a little funky that you have to edit a text file to be able to turn on the mouse, but a 30 second youtube video can tell you how to do it. I also like the fact that it's usefulness is partially reliant on a base stat that usually doesn't affect a whole lot; shot speed. The faster the shot speed, the faster the tear moves. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you have a bad relationship with ludo is that every time you've picked it up, you've had low shot speed as there are a lot more items that lower shot speed than increase it.

[@snowfloofcathug]

Yea I can completely get Hutts not liking it but there’s no real problem with the item itself. It does exactly what it’s meant to, and it’s fun to use for people who like it. Not liking an item isn’t a good argument for why it’s a bad item, there are plenty of good items that I don’t like using but that doesn’t negate how useful or fun they are to other people Edit: also, importantly, how do you “fix” it? The point of the item is to do exactly what it does, if it didn’t, it wouldn’t be ludo, and no other item would fill the fun niche it has

[@Hithere-uz6wd]

​@@snowfloofcathug i would never grab it if i didnt have a great build for it, ludo alone is not good (unless you are azazel)

[@HarroKitteh]

Dataminer, allows you to manipulate the game once per floor, if you use it on a wall, it can either open a red room or make a new secret room/error room. If you use it on a item room, you get the item and keep a planetarium chance. Thin odd mushroom, keep it as is, but once you reach the tear cap the damage penalty falls off.

[@DarklingReborn]

I’m very surprised linger bean isn’t on your list at all. The only time it does damage is on bosses and even then the damage is negligent. Picking up this item feels worse than getting nothing because although items like gods flesh and lil’ portal have a noticeable effect (wether you try to use their effects or not), linger bean feels like it does literally nothing. The effect takes too long to proc and when it does it’s hard to get the cloud on an enemy, and even if you get it on an enemy it doesn’t do any good damage. Data miner can be ok if you get lucky with the stats imo Libra can turn a lot of range up’s into other good stats wavy cap is a pain to use but is an ok item imo I’m a big odd mushroom fan but I do agree that with so many tears up’s in the game it’s kinda bad, but I don’t think it’s so bad that it should take up one of the 10 slots for item reworks I don’t think missing no. needs a rework because I do think there should be some meh items but I definitely won’t miss it if they remove it the babies are fine imo. Adding a chance to drop hearts might be too good since it’s not only devil rooms that you can find them but adding a special effect would make them at least somewhat interesting nightlamp to aim and firing rather than moving PLEEEAAAASSSSEEE I think moms bra/pad, butter bean, and Taurus are ok because as I said before I do think there should be some “meh” items

[@-sk8-437]

Two uploads within a day, my your spoiling us editors

[@hopotion5104]

Im honestly really happy to see you reconsider libra lol, its actually genuinely not bad

[@byrontheusurper6505]

I never knew you could just step on shrunken enemies, I juet thought it weakened them lol

[@Zorothegallade-gg7zg]

One of the few items I always avoid like the plague is Lil Delirium. Not only it is pretty inconsequential unless it turns into Incubus or Meat Boy or similar, and it can screw you over if it decides to turn into BBF or Bob's Brain at the wrong moment, it can straight up waste an opportunity if it's the only item that spawns in an Angel Room. It could be (partially) fixed if it only changed form when entering an uncleared room, OR if when entering a new floor it picked 3-4 random familiars and it cycled between them, so that you always know what's coming up and don't risk blowing yourself up.

[@ButterBlaziken230]

with wavy cap, i think suddenly seeing shadow silhouettes appear below you (like the ones that indicate where moms hand is going to come down at) that aren't actually there could be interesting

[@leoaskham6564]

Hear me out, Missingno is like activating D4 but you one item to reroll instead and the reroll takes quality (but not item pool) into account. Edit: I think you might be onto something with Abyss' spoon bender affecting all flies: Tear effects - apply the effect to all locusts with each having a chance to proc 1* effect HP ups - adds 1 locust Luck ups - Locusts are more likely to proc effects Tears ups - More locusts can be fired at once Multishot items (20/20, inner eye, mutant spider) - allow locusts to proc more than 1 effect (+1, +2, +3 respectively) each Tear pattern items (Cursed eye, The wiz, etc) - locusts "shoot" out in the item's pattern BUT in every direction shot in (e.g: The wiz makes them shoot diagonally left AND right simultaneously rather than alternating)

[@nebulous9280]

I like the idea of Abyssed Items contributing their unique effects to ALL of your flies. T. Apollyon is one of my favorite characters conceptually, turning trash items into something guaranteed to be somewhat useful, but I would never Abyss a single one of the unique effect Locusts.

[@valleyFITONY]

I love butter bean many people don’t know that it makes bullets fly away. So if you are trapped in a corner you can use it and it’s amazing please try it out

[@adamtrout7711]

It isn't amazing. In very rare situations, it's okay

[@Edeninari]

I remember doing a run with lil portal and I was on mausoleum 2, I had half the floor yet to explore and when I took a portal it created it took me to the mom fight. That's when I decided I wasn't taking that item again

[@drunkcapybara7004]

It once spawned a portal for me right in front of a door to the rest of the floor so i couldn't finish the run because of it I hate this item

[@expepem189xl3]

Man i love Little Shroom that reduces your damage for attack speed. Tbf its quite good in Rebirth, i dont have A+ or Repentance, but man, its even better with Fun Guy isnt it? This Sword and Poke Go, Crown , Wheel, and red abys are pretty good one. And i am fan of Ludowig , its bad for speed run but kinda cool. I love it. 0:19

[@ItsLazMax]

The only one I disagree with is mars. I like the idea of making better, but if it’s a double shoot, then items like chocolate milk or spirit sword become *horrible* with Mars :/

[@north3573]

I do hope edmund sees this vid and takes your viewpoint into account

[@omlett6482]

Thin odd would be so much better if it broke tear cap. in fact, any tears up that has a secondary negative effect like Number 1 and stuff should break tear cap. They're usually never worth picking up because you can max your tears pretty easily without them. keep the negative effects, but at least make the positive effect matter later into the run.

[@wobblywally-0]

Some great ideas in this video. Lil portal being a bullet sucking orbital Especially. After this update the items should be sorted? I really hope he does look at certain item synergies, things like Dr fetus, abyss, epic fetus, brimstone. It doesn't always have to make stuff stronger. Just a visual representation of the items working together would make me happy.

[@Gerbz_]

I think using abyss on certain items could give the rest of your locusts upgrades instead of giving you a slightly more powerful locust. For example, Hutts said that abyssing spoon bender could make the rest of your locusts have homing. For brimstone, each locust could make the locusts shoot out thin, short-duration brim beams, or maybe an antigrav + brimstone effect

[@jeremybrezenoff1280]

Thoughts: 1. Love your concept for dataminer rework, no notes here 2. I'm still partial to thin odd boy, I find it rarely makes or breaks the difference between good dps. Not something I'll take late into a run but if I find it early it incentivizes playing around high tear rate with effects like little horn etc. I do agree that it should be a direct fire rate up though, completely forgot it isn't. 3. Wavy cap is kind of a meme item imo but I do agree the visuals can be. one of the effects ever. The hallucination concept is neat! Might be better suited for a different item altogether but Ed isn't adding new items so I think it works. 4. I always thought the shrink status doubled damage enemies took, and I learned like two days ago that it doesn't, so that made me mad. I think adding that would make the item 100 times better alone. 5. BASED LIBRA ENJOYER LETS GOOO 6. Never had too much issue with lil portal, but I enjoy the idea of making it eat bullets instead of consumables 7. Lmao fuck missingno, huge agree 8. HUGE agree on changing the direction to fire rather than move, it would be a great item if you had better control 9. Agreed, I like free petrify but fear is meh (i can never remember which is which item tho lmao) 10. Give butter bean a chance for toxic farts and poops and I might consider using it if I don't have an active. Then again, the chance for wait what? is funny 11. Jesus christ why is it -0.30 speed on pickup i HATE it so much for that just make the chargeup slower I beg 12. Honestly not every item needs a secondary effect, I can appreciate the babies for being additional bullets on my side and for giving a goated transformation 13. TRUE 14. *TRUE* 15. skill issue (jk

[@Zoombeani]

Great explanations Hutts. I sure do hope some of these suggestions get incorporated. ❤❤❤

[@nospoiler]

Another idea for dataminer would be that it actually "mines up" the items from a future floor. You get it delivered sooner, but then the item room / shop / whatever will be left without its loot when you get to there later in the run - so the total items you get per run stay the same

[@tiagomatias6667]

I actually love your wavy cap fix!

[@indominusrex2859]

If abyss gave the specialeffects to all locusts thatwould be very fun

[@lycanyte5898]

Here's an idea that I had for Odd mushroom (thin): when you pick up a damage up, the game takes the damage, and multiplies it by the thin mushroom damage multiplier then, the mushroom stores the remainder of that multiplier in a variable to be used later. as you pick up items, the mushroom cache slowly stores the stolen stats, until it reaches X (where X is randomized to be anywhere between 50% to 150% of your character's base damage) Once it hits x, the thin mushroom loses its damage multiplier, effectively giving back all the stats it stole The intention of this idea is to make it a sort of gamble item, where the cost is far greater than the benefit of the tears unless you manage to find enough damage ups to cancel out the damage multiplier.

[@tolafia6708]

Edmund's beard gets more and more unhinged the more we see him

[@normalmark2214]

You have a point on Skinny Odd Mushroom but it's not even close to be one of the TEN item that should be buffed, there are so many bad items but you chose the one that not even that bad, i'd even say it's balanced, it's a decent item with some downgrades and that's great, it's like a deal-massive fire rate bust but damage down, this is a type of item that are the best in rouglikes, not just lame bufs but something that take you some time to decide should you or shouldn't take it based on you're other item's, character, stat's and other things (sorry if there were mistakes cus english is not my 1 language)

[@adamtrout7711]

But the benefit it gives you absolutely does not warrant the massive damage downgrade you receive. If it broke the tear cap, maybe. But as it stands, you hit max fire rate every run, with or without it, and that massive damage down is never worth it

[@normalmark2214]

​@@adamtrout7711as we can see on video range in damage from with it or without is 0.8 and maybe it just me but i don't think it's such big of a deal, yeah, if you get enough tears ups every run for cap and even if you fit the cap it still enough it's great but i can't say myself the same

[@CraftingMenace]

Another option for dataminer, because while i enjoy your idea, i think it being a different dreamcatcher is kinda boring. I think a fun idea would be, as a slight omage to what it was added due to annoyance of, it opened up optional paths for a room. Doors that could use the red key come to mind, but also say you use it in the moms heart room and it opens the portal to the void. Maybe there could be a special thing where if you use it during the death of mega satan it opens the portal 100%. Another option to pay omage to what it was added for is either giving fortune cookie like hints, or temporarily giving you an item you havent unlocked yet, but those two things would only work to a point. If you wanted to go really wacky with it, maybe you could use it to go to floors you otherwise wouldnt be able to go to at the time, like the other possible floors of that level. For example, a run where you get data miner at basement 2, if you use it in the boss room maybe another trap door opens that takes you to a seperate cellar 2 that puts you back on the original run. Another funny somewhat meta thing you could do is it instead takes you to the exact floor on the seed 1 more or 1 less than your current one. Theres a lot of fun ideas you can do with an item called dataminer, but at this point in the game you could rename the item "unfixed bug" and it would make more sense than it does right now.

[@Nate.govern]

commentary hutts is something I didn't know I needed

[@Japie__]

Idea for MissingNo: Every time you move to the next floor, rerolls your build into the same quality per item, but takes one random passive item that rerolls into one quality tier above it. (so if it takes a random quality 1, it becomes a random quality 2 item. If it takes a quality 3 item, that item becomes a quality 4 item). This idea is kinda similar to the risk of rain 2 item corrupt 56 leaf clover.

[@yvesheinrich5013]

I almost agree with everything except for the following items: Ghost Baby: while your suggestion is very good for all the aforementioned familiars, I still think Ghost Baby in itself is better than Brother Bobby and Sister Maggy, obviously because of the spectral tears. Granted that whatever trinkets and items available improve the familiars, these should make the Ghost Baby much more worthwhile. The Ludovico Technique: it goes without saying, especially when combined with other items. Can be a huge help to the weakest characters and if you take advantage of getting cover behind or on rocks and such. Bogo Bombs: could be very useful on a very unlucky run, especially if you're in dire need for bombs and Humbling Bundle was nowhere to be found. Maybe just decrease the price from 15 to 10 pennies, as I've noticed certain active items in the shop cost 10 as well.

[@greengamer077vods]

So the first few I agree except for some which are just there for flavor. Ludo and missingno are some that yes could use a rework but are just fun for flavor of the game. Its supposed to be learning for new players not easy. Though there should be some more synergies like missing no with gp bug or ludo does more dmg

[@blakewagner9819]

I know 2 other solutions to the abyss problem, and its to give it a second mode which allows it to have a 50% chancce to give both a locust and the item and 50% chance to get no locust with no item. Could be a lot of fun risk and reward. Doubt people would use it on brimstone but hey its better chances for them to see the abyss synergies. Another more game changing option is to make it a passive item, giving 25% chance on picking up any item to grant a permanent option. These options of course would require massive changes to the item that might be good or bad to it.

[@sammchenry1701]

After watching your recent keeper hush run, I would have expected broken stopwatch to be on the list. The unpredictability of knowing which room will get sped up really makes this item just a significantly worse stopwatch (which i get is the point but that doesn’t make up for it being bad) that could end a run because bad rng.

[@Shiftyi]

Plan C is one of the most situational items that I would never take. I would probably take it if I had an instant revive (Tainted Lost's birthright) that is if I find any different active items. I believe my only intention of picking up was just for the count to get dead god.

[@rouxix]

For real, I don't get how odd mushroom made the cut while plan C was nowhere to be found on the list.

[@MDoorpsy]

Plan C is situational, but not bad. It has a decreased occurrence rate because of this. On weak runs with low health, it can give you just enough time to get in the chest, granting a win for the run. It's harder to use when going for unlocks, as bosses like Delirium or Mother have death animations so long you actually do need a revive to use it on them, but that's fine given they're two of the hardest bosses in the game. The only way you could really buff it without fundamentally changing what it does would be to extend the timer from use to death from 3 to 5 seconds or something.

[@Shiftyi]

@@MDoorpsy I do understand the point of plan C and how it's used. the fact it's an item that needs an instant revive is the main problem, considering how uncommon it is to find extra life items. I understand the use of the item, but it's far too situational for me to take.

[@jamzplayz9389]

Plan c actually insta kills the beast, the ending cut scene plays before Isaacs death animation happens so it counts as a win and not a death

[@Shiftyi]

@@jamzplayz9389 Yeah that works. but I still think it's far too situational, most of the time you'll find a better active.

[@King_R0365]

Gods flesh I feel could be pretty balanced with the boss thing if they changed it to something like three and a half seconds, the only thing that no contact damage would REALLY effect is lil gurdy or any other boss with only physical moves. As for the mini explosions thing I think that could be hilarious

[@CanadianDH]

Abyss should have synergies for all your locusts and not just the one in particular. So if you have 15 flies and absorb spoon bender they are ALL homing… etc

[@suplexgod9723]

I had Libra a few times before and ngl it’s not that bad. The stat balancing now is a lot more easy to break if you consistently get more range ups and speed upgrades, overall not a bad item anymore.

[@jajasking9652]

And is a gamebreak if speed Up/range Up pill + placebo, even better if echo Chamber is in the equation, and, if echo Chamber + vurp pill with speed/range Up pill + echo Chamber with libra is just infinite stats

[@AlexanderFrey-yx7lg]

Dataminer would be Goated if it was a one time use and had like a 50/50 chance to unlock a random achievement/item

[@MDoorpsy]

... But a 50% chance to destroy itself and then turn you into the Lost. As a reference to Dataminers having originally spoiled the Lost's existence. That sounds fun. But how about, as an extra joke, if used this way you will get the appropriate unlock and the spot on the post it note will be filled out, but to distinguish it from an 'honest' completion mark, instead of the usual symbol used (like a star for boss rush) you will instead have a poop symbol in its place until you have managed to do the real achievement.