Would Kamala or Trump Be Better for Israel? Sam Harris Debates Ben Shapiro

[@christiancasteel5962]

I find it ironic that Shapiro specifically acknowledges a form of systemic antisemitism but has always rejected the concept of systemic racism.

[@animecrazy4848]

Rigggggttthhhhhhhhh!!!! Thank you!!

[@charlieb9064]

I'm wondering what institutions are systematically discriminating against Jews when they run most of the major ones!

[@HonorOP]

@@charlieb9064 here we go again with the Jews are running America shtick... aren't you tired of yourself?

[@ilikeyourcalculator]

@@charlieb9064you my friend are proof. Jews run most of them? Really? So why is the media so insanely biased against israel? Why did everyone run with the al ali hospital fake story of Israel boming and killing 500 people in that hospital without making an ounce of effort to corroborate the story and later finding out it was an islamic jihad rocket that hit the PARKING LOT and DIDNT kill 500 people. Why is it that in the last 10 years the UN has issued 68 resolutions condemning different countries throughout the world and 141 condemning Israel! You expect people to believe israel is really two times worst than ALL THE WORST COUNTRIES AND REGIMES COMBINED? Who else does sht as deranged as this happen to? Im waiting for an answer.

[@JobVanDam]

@@charlieb9064 It all starts with the education systems. Several schools got in trouble for allowing students to support Palestine on campus citing free speech even though some of the protests broke campus rules, and were shouting slogans for genocide of the jews

[@unstabledefusion]

If Ben didn't support Trump, he would lose his viewer base

[@blaineboyle5997]

Yeah he’s very obviously protecting his cash flow from trumps simpletons

[@AlbertoTorres-wl9mt]

But he will be on the side of truth. It must be exhausting for someone like Ben to defend Maga.

[@Caliban_80]

You seem to be saying that he's too smart to be a true believer in Trump and only does so out of financial interest. I disagree. People give Ben too much credit, he is like every other conservative. He wants an authoritarian strong man in power. He's a true believer in the fascistic ideals of MAGA.

[@Eli-g2h]

He didn’t support Trump in 2016 and he was fine

[@henri372]

Does he always speaks so fast or is constantly on speed? Seems he speaks fast so people would not question his bullshit - he makes so little sense

[@Gwyll_Arboghast]

if your chief concern is the interest of israel, you shouldn't be a us citizen.

[@lachlanbell8390]

I disagree that it should be a basis for revoking citizenship, but I agree in the sense that it should preclude you from being elected to represent, or appointed to serve, the American people. But we all know that's a delusional pipe dream that's not going to change without a colossal upheaval & overturning of the status-quo.

[@tekkertruth1256]

The image with the US flag and mutliple Israeli flags behind Trump during one of his speech was stomach turning.

[@Gwyll_Arboghast]

@lachlanbell8390 i didn't say it should be a basic for revoking citizenship, or that such people shouldn't be electable. those would both be a gross violation of free speech. just that such a person ought not to be an American. imagine if most voters preferred the interests of a hostile nation over our own.

[@jeremiahrichey4654]

Some people's top concern is another persons usage of their ovaries. For some its if two men kiss. For others its the use of a metal for money globally. But per this discussion, at least on Sam's side, he has discussed the US's interest thousand of times, and here is debating Ben on one side topic - though it does seem Ben is siding with T-man for this one side issue, but I don't think that is actually the case.

[@martyfromnebraska1045]

​​@@lachlanbell8390 You mean the status quo where all of our public debates are between someone like Ben Shapiro and someone like Sam Harris hosted on a platform run by someone like Bari Weiss? Or where someone like Ron Klain staffs the democratic administration while someone like Howard Lutnik staffs the Republican administration? And during that debate they're just talking about how they can leverage each candidate to do what they want and how they'll ignore the demands of the general public? That status quo? Revoking citizenship is a very mild first step to fixing this problem.

[@calad6482]

I think i understand now. Ben Shapiro just said it wrong all along. He didnt mean to say "Facts dont care about your feelings" He meant to say "My feelings dont care about your facts"

[@kwaddell]

I think about this old catchphrase of his every time the right has some sort of meltdown over non-existent crises ala “they’re eating the cats”

[@woko1009]

Instead of asking which would be better for Israel, Maybe we should be asking which candidate would be better for America for a change.

[@Motivate-and-Win]

best comment

[@TrueHeartSoul]

That’s top priority, but not the topic of this specific discussion. You can ask both questions, and it shouldn’t even contradict, as Israel is a super important ally of the US.

[@someone-w9n]

Don't you know how much influence Israel has on US?

[@houseofballoons4788]

@@TrueHeartSoul no it isn’t.

[@woko1009]

@@TrueHeartSoul What makes Israel an important ally of the US over say, Taiwan, NATO, or Ukraine? also if we're on the topic of US foreign policy, why is it always concerning areas miles away from US soil while things that go on in Central and South America, which inadvertently affect the US via the border and mass influx of refugees gets ignored. If the United States actually maintained the Monroe doctrine and dealt with issues in her backyard like the Haitian crisis, there would be way less refugees in the United States that would put further strain on our economy. Instead, the United States has opted to invest in forever wars in the middle east while completely ignoring her southern an Caribbean neighbors.

[@jacksonmaloney8520]

Have to appreciate Sam's honesty and courage. He was absolutely pillaged by the right and during that entire time he kept his usual demeanor and has emerged as the most rational out of his previous associates. I really don't think he gets enough credit for his ability to stay absolutely tranquil amidst the chaos he has to deal with, whether that's through personal attacks or difficult debates.

[@pensfan718766]

Proof undeniable of his tireless commitment to mindfulness meditation. The real treasure is him making it available in his waking up app.

[@jacksonmaloney8520]

@@pensfan718766 yerp, I'm an avid user. Even with all that knowledge, it's still amazing.

[@billj4525]

He doesn't think the right has any credibility. You're not bothered by people you think are clueless and stupid. That's how Sam feels about the right, and he's generally correct.

[@nicholasbain2835]

Its his commitment to meditation and the occasional psychedelics that keep him sane.

[@charliefisher6380]

JacksonMaloney - the word you're looking for is "pilloried", not "pillaged".

[@Deepfriedfunk]

Ben Shapiros seemingly insistent naivety that Trump doesn’t entirely surround himself with complete incompetence and corrupt individuals, and how that doesn’t pose any cause for concern or question is pretty infuriating ngl

[@gandralf]

Shapiro is part of the problem that toke over the world in the last ~12 years: stupid tribal behavior.

[@canadianmale7610]

Or the opposite is true. It’s hard to know these days. Too much propaganda on all sides. I need definitive proof. 10% for the big guy.

[@davideberhardt1361]

It is because we know Ben is intelligent enough to know better, people like him I will never be able to take seriously again for the rest of my life- their words and opinions mean absolutely nothing. The audacity to bring up Ukraine when Trump and Republicans openly say they will withdraw any help with their defense, and Trump famously wondered who would "win in a fight" if Ukraine was invaded, then he salivated when he found out Ukraine has oil as well. Would have never happened though if Trump was president, yeah okay. Trump is a shameless clown who will literally say anything, Shapiro is a shameless republican pundit who will defend Trump saying anything.

[@space_acee]

Its always interesting watching people that base their rhetoric on logic or reason try to defend trump. As Sam said its a loyalty test. You can't be on the right without supporting him or the MAGA goons will come after you. So you have people like Shapiro who do mental gymnastics to justify supporting him. Ben's entire argument is essentially "American institutions are strong enough to withstand a President that has contempt and disregard for said institutions, and therefore I don't care". Which is absolutely insane if you think about it.

[@Deepfriedfunk]

@@space_acee exactly

[@marabara7863]

Why would you care which president will be better for Israel if you are not Israeli ?? This conversation should be taking place in Israel not in America !

[@jakedark3506]

You should understand that Israel is a western country. Strategically, economically and morally it is better for America to support Israel than terrorists who want to destroy the west. This is simple logic and it is incomprehensible that so many westerners have trouble understanding this.

[@jakedark3506]

You should understand that Israel is a western country. Strategically, economically and morally it is better for America to support Israel than terrorists who want to destroy the west. This is simple logic and it is incomprehensible that so many westerners have trouble understanding this.

[@what6336]

You think they care for this country ?? Should be labeled as foreign agents .

[@what6336]

They dont care about america

[@PritiKhan-pf9pw]

Well said.

[@yusufmuslim4420]

It is so ironic to me that these people would criticize those about not having dual allegiances for other countries yet people like Bari Weiss have no problem openly showing their allegiance to Israel over America.

[@charlieb9064]

She's literally an Israeli spy trying to brand herself an "American conservative".

[@owen3721]

This conversation was basically between two Zionist pills over who would be a better genocide manager. Sickening. Hopefully Ben is right that Kamala will have Phil Gordon and Bernie advising her foreign policy.

[@emmanuelgarcia619]

“Trump thinks he can stop wars by bringing in some wheeler and dealer from queens to negotiate it like it’s a condo renovation” 😂😂😂

[@robertmadison1205]

Great line, but, how good are expert diplomats at that sort of thing?

[@rosswatkins2277]

So what's the other option?Don't even try. Both candidates are total garbage. You do know that's how wars get stopped negotiation, right? You're not that naive

[@ultramimo]

​@@robertmadison1205well, historically proven, the best equipped to do the job. Or do you rather have a baker fix your toilet instead of a plumber?

[@yolok3]

jokes aside, a wheeler and dealer from queens will get a better deal 10 times out of 10 than an ivy league grad who has never negotiated on their own behalf in their lives.

[@Bryaaammnnn179]

@@yolok3I mean yea duh. But do you think any President is bringing fresh Ivy League grads with no experience to meetings with Putin and Xi? What is this comparison?

[@delxinogaming6046]

“The guardrails have a name, and they are talking” we should listen to them!

[@jocksharerock7318]

Yes, and Bari isn’t listening. The idea of authoritarian being a stable world seems to be a positive for her. It happens to those born with privilege

[@gerrydick3621]

In Australia, I agree!

[@ErnestPiffel]

How does one critique the Israel/ Palestinian situation without being labeled antisemitic?

[@charlieb9064]

Easy, don't critique Israel.

[@ephraim1995]

Being critical of Israel for their genocide in gaza is not antisemitic ​@@charlieb9064

[@ShalomMF]

Don't apply standards to Israel you wouldn't apply to another country.

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

@@charlieb9064 hmmm, I'll pass on that advice, thanks.

[@owen3721]

@@ShalomMF No one applies standards to Israel that they don't apply to other countries. The anti-Zionist left is harshly critical of Saudi Arabia, China, etc. Israel happens to be committing the worst atrocities since the Rwandan Genocide.

[@swimbait1]

“Wildly unpredictable” is the last thing you want in a president

[@BarrySometimes]

True. It's like Ben favours sitting in a car that just turns left or right, accelerates & breaks at random, because somehow someway that car found itself 10,000 miles away from a desired destination by complete accident.

[@jzero1579]

Biden has been a ghost.

[@websitemartian]

regarding foreign policy? uhm no that's not true at all. trump clearly established deterance last time. there were no wars. the democraps have caused wars

[@morganmmontz]

Strategic Unpredictability is actually a well known doctrine used by several presidents in different ways, most famously by Richard Nixon.

[@stephenfeldman8104]

@@morganmmontz Trump is tactical (if I'm being kind), he is most certainly not strategic.

[@vigilantejesus9010]

Two American citizens arguing over which American presidential candidate will be best for Israel and not America? How strange.

[@Stephent-lb3uf]

Moderated by a jew

[@DemonOfDublin]

That happens to be the topic of their discussion in this instance.

[@satireofcircumstance6458]

What's best for Israel seems to be the central concern of politics in the United States, which is very unusual since Israel is a foreign country. No wonder the idea of America First freaks these people out.

[@tuzpasha1453]

if we let ISRAEL lose to JIHAD, AMERICA and any other civil liberal country is next. it's a matter of principle, you don't turn your back on your ally in the time of need, otherwise youre either a moron or an anti-semite.

[@wmrajput]

Indeed.

[@Daniel-jh1np]

Setting the speed to 1,5x for Sam Harris, and then Ben Shapiro starts talking...

[@EquuleusPictor]

I don't find it to be slow, in fact Sam Harris is one of the most articulated American intellectuals ...

[@DigiDriftZone]

Someone needs to make a Shapiro AI, where all it does is set your playback speed to 0.85x whenever Ben Shapiro is speaking :)

[@EquuleusPictor]

@@DigiDriftZone That's about the correct ratio. Should also help to bump his voice up by an octave or two, he's dangerously close to the "castratto" register.

[@toby9999]

​@EquuleusPictor Yes, but the point I think is that Ben speaks at 2X Sam. I would slow Ben down, but then Sam would be too slow.

[@pookz3067]

Am I the only one it one who watches all nonmusical videos in 2x speed no matter what?

[@leemondez]

Supporting Palestinians does not mean anti-semetic ffs

[@dquinn1988]

No one in this video said it was, learn to listen and use your brain

[@jeancaron9325]

YES YOU DO.

[@vratyasvakyas6022]

He's always been a complete buffoon on this issue.

[@FBUK]

Sam and Ben - two of the leading racist influencers will paint anyone who remotely critises Israel or shows an ounce of sympathy for innocent Palestinians as anti semitic.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

yet all of these pro palestine are

[@miguelbarron8463]

A far more humanitarian and moral question would be “which one is better for Palestine?”

[@Wayward9]

Showing support for Palestinian lives is seen as anti-Jewish and pro-jihad for some people. That stance is absolutely crazy imo as you can support not killing Palestinian civilians and not be anti-Jewish. Saying otherwise is akin to saying that everyone in Gaza is some anti-Jewish terrorist which is just not true

[@dreaminez472]

I don't care for either. America should focus on America, not get entangled in ancient holy wars.

[@Tala-Focus-fh5zk]

Totally.

[@brandonlouderback4408]

More of these pro-Hamas brigaders... Jesus. Grow up you people

[@hilariallred65]

Sam Harris, I guess compassion for Palestinian civilians, especially children, is not part or your meditation practice?

[@SpiKrishPri]

Sam Harris is such a moron. After the total destruction of Gaza, he still has this authoritative tone of somebody who refuses to think.

[@jeremiahrichey4654]

You don't think he has compassion for them? You don't have ears apparently. The issue is the people controlling them and their resources are insane suicidal maniacs that believe some cloud fairy insists they kill some set of people for what happened 1,500 yrs ago.

[@joebranston6330]

Exactly! Are you blind Sam?

[@SpiKrishPri]

He deleted my post. Fun fact, he calls moron students on Campus but he does like to be called a moron.

[@hilariallred65]

A big part of this whole mess we are in is the way religion and spirituality, and atheism (Sam, Chris Hitchens, etc.) fit in. De Toqueville said Americans were very religious. Sam’s meditation app is fantastic, though. And he’ll give it to you for free if you need it. Now we get to put it in context. The rubber hits the road.

[@puffin4you]

The 2 people who claim to detest identity politics arguing about what political candidate is better for their group. Oy Vey!

[@charlieb9064]

Identity politics for me, but not for thee.

[@what6336]

For foreign country !! Foreign country that is hurting america in world . Countries moving away from Us dollar because of these wars , genocide .

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

*"Item Bounce" from kirby air ride plays at max volume*

[@jameshegeman5660]

Everyone is just a tribalist at heart - Especially those who claim not to be.

[@puffin4you]

@ the jews are insanely more tribalist than any other griup

[@ggstylz]

I’ve never appreciated Sam’s lack of empathy for Palestine. His bias towards Israel is understandable but it’s flawed.

[@fifthgear93]

I wonder what Christopher Hitchens would say today if he was alive. I guess he wouldn't be much of a fan of what Israel is doing to Palestine. He once said he doesn't think Israel was a good idea in the first place, sure you can't evict jews from Israel today but an ethnostate based around religion was a really stupid idea to begin with.

[@majorbloodlol]

israel is mostly atheist, it's primarily an ethnostate that views themselves as superior to other races

[@ytsm]

I, also, wonder what Hitchen's would say about the last 6 years? I pretty much agree with your assessment of Hitch on Israel. Particularly, with his growing regret of the GWOT in Iraq. I didn't know that Hitchen's said that about the forming of Israel and I'd love to know his idea of a solution to the conflict? I believe that our society has huge Christopher Hitchen shaped hole, and were much worse off, for it.

[@fifthgear93]

@ytsm kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWaupK2ilMejm6Msi=XlBqbFHr1piDzS2M here Hitchens talks about zionism and Israel

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

Considering how proud he was of his Jewlsh heritage (despite the fact he considered all other forms of racial pride idiotic), my guess is he wouldn't be too sympathetic of Palestinians.

[@fifthgear93]

@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 Have you heard his opinion on the palestinian situation? He says Palestinians are living under occupation and that is a true unjustice. I don't think he will be as "clear" as Sam Harris is - painting one side as true evil, while the other waging a just war. I believe Hitchens would be very sympathetic to palestinians, the civilians, women and children, etc. Not Hamas. Take a look at the video link I provided in my earlier comment.

[@robinhood20253]

Poor Ben , he obviously has a functioning brain, yet chooses to talk out of his ass.

[@HermanArmada-j3i]

Looks like those three are packed and ready to move to Israel. The entire conversation is around who supports Israel and who don’t.

[@Fnord1984]

They are all israeli citizens by the stroke of a pen whenever they feel iike it. The fascist and racist apartheid regime they support says they have the right to live on palestinian soil while the palestinians being murdered im the genocide have no such rights. This is three despicable hypocritical partisan hacks having a pseudo debate about absolute nonsense.

[@Jonathan-gk6se]

It's a two hour discussion, they can't talk about the price of beef for two hours.

[@owen3721]

No they understand how bad the economic situation is there. They jerk off their Jewish nationalism from the safety of their studios in Los Angeles and Nashville, Tennessee while supporting the slaughter of Palestinians from afar so they can vacation in Tel Aviv and the Dead Sea.

[@RickMacDonald19]

The topic is in the title of the video.

[@antoncarmoducchi6057]

Sam, a beacon of pragmatism.

[@antoncarmoducchi6057]

Ben has greater passion than brainpower.

[@Fenristripplex]

A beacon of elitism and TDS.

[@antoncarmoducchi6057]

@@Fenristripplex ah yes. total dissolved solids. and by elitism, i assume you mean educated.

[@Traceurmintrix]

@@FenristripplexThe only people with TDS are the people with his orange nuts on their chin. Like you.

[@alanbrown342]

Sam is an interesting, thoughtful commenter with whom I disagree on some items. Shapiro is just a partisan.

[@cmhardin37]

But Ben didn't vote for Trump the first time. That's not partisan.

[@Traceurmintrix]

⁠@@cmhardin37What is partisan is saying he grades trump on a curve, and even though Ben has come out to rail on trumps behaviour, personality and actions especially after January 6th calling it the worst thing since 9/11, calling out so much of his actions destructive to the foundation of our constitution, political foundation and norms, so much so that he couldn’t vote for him (a lifetime republican), somehow still manages to weasel his way to saying that he’s better for the country than kamala and can point to nothing that’s comparable from Kamala, to pander to his audience. He’s doing this because he knows the trump sycophants that make up the vast majority of his fans will turn on him, as they did w Sam when he didn’t bend the knee to this derangement.

[@billj4525]

@@cmhardin37 True, but that was 8 years ago now. So much has changed.

[@robertmadison1205]

Ben is against abortion, pro-Israel, pro-free trade. This is not about party affiliation per se, those are his beliefs. You may disagree, but do not deny his sincerity unless you know something.

[@timb350]

Well put.

[@dipdo7675]

Ben is hopelessly outmatched!! Fast talking and appeal to emotion ain’t gonna beat Sam!!

[@ghrich]

Does anybody know what happens to Sam when he starts talking about Israel? Most of the time, he is very thoughtful, rational, and a proponent of peace and compassion. I generally like his speeches and debates. Here in this video, its all about 'regime change', anti-war people being morons, being right of the right-wing war-hawks, and IDF being so moral. Where the fuck is his compassion, vipasna and meditation practice that he always talks about? After watching this, I don't think I can take him seriously anymore.

[@shoahkhan5670]

Isn't it obvious yet?... It's a GRIFT. I realised this years ago, when he developed "TDS"; if not before, when his forums would shadow ban it users if they ever brought up the subject of his conspicuous lack of critique of Zionism. The guy is just another charlatan -- 109% common to his ilk. The fondness of sesquipedalian diction and "intellectual discourse" is the lure; the seething tribal allegiance is the reality of the barb hook.

[@johnsanders561]

Sam: I don't believe in God. Also Sam: I believe God promised the land of Palestine to the Jews.

[@user-pe3fk1fb1o]

Where did he say that in this video?

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

@@user-pe3fk1fb1o He is an open zionist. Zionism is based on the idea that Jews, as God's "chosen," have some special right to that land.

[@DinoDaley-xp2eo]

Where he say so in his interview

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

@@DinoDaley-xp2eo He is an open zionist. The definition of that word entails belief that his people are entitled to Israel because they're "God's chosen."

[@eurobonapartiste]

@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 Most Zionists are secular and emphasize that Israel is the historical homeland of the Jews (which is a fact). It has nothing to do with God.

[@17seper]

Trump hosted Taliban leaders at camp David. I guess it was their reward for making his tower the tallest building in NY.

[@Arphemius]

Yes, he negotiates with people and gets them to back down.

[@NoBSMusicReviews]

Actually, he was even lying about his building being the tallest building after the towers came down. It wasn’t. The man cannot speak a word of truth. He is constitutionally incapable.

[@1001Balance]

@@Arphemiusyeah taliban backed down after he released 5000 of them. See what happened a few months later in Kabul

[@thunderstruck1078]

LOL, talking about gatekeeping the real right and the Overton window and then this pops up... They really have zero self-awareness.

[@SquidysTents]

Yupp, they’d rather talk about a couple of college kids feeling intimidated to go to school rather than address the elephant in the room.

[@Nom1fan]

I don't understand what you guys are talking about. Can you please explain?

[@jumpingspider7105]

@@Nom1fan The MAGA right has a complete lack of self awareness and an outlandish level of entitlement.

[@realcoachryan]

@@Nom1fanthey’re referring to the full length podcast, where this discussion came from

[@thunderstruck1078]

@@Nom1fan You lose everything if you openly talk about it, because they have their paws on the whole West, by exploiting the US and using it as an enforcer. Look what happened to Nick F. If I write his full name the comment is auto-deleted. Let me just say this: their chutzpa is off the charts.

[@mickmurphy1837]

Wow I didn’t know Harris was still considered relevant. Good on you Sam for hanging in there.

[@lm58142]

Sam Harris is a good example of the sort of damage TDS does to one's reasoning, as he can be lucid on other topics. To obsess about petty flaws in Trump's character (as opposed to which saints exactly?) to the extent of becoming oblivious to the fact that the alternative bunch is setting the world on fire, is beyond stupid.

[@stevelovescars]

Criticizing Israel’s war tactics isn’t the same as the antisemitism we see from the American “right.” As an American Jew who I am more concerned about being able to live here safely. A party that openly supports a Christian Right nationalist view of America is not good for Jews or any minority group, for that matter.

[@Alnivol666]

So how do the pro_Hamas rallies make you feel in the US? As a Jew?

[@owen3721]

You're a sane and normal person. Ben Shapiro is just a bloodthirsty psychopath. He said he celebrates the IDF's actions in Gaza when he was asked how he can continue to support what they're doing.

[@johmyh14]

That someone being crazy is good is such a wild take akin to war is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery.

[@alk158]

It never is good for jews. By the way sharon had this element of this and yet he abandoned Gaza and was going to do more pullout only a stroke stopped him this helped bring oct 7th.

[@Martinbeef]

I’m worried about Apartheid in Israel.

[@strat0s512]

I'm worried that most US citizens don't know what Apartheid actually means. Actually I'm not worried, just sounded cool. Anyway why doesn't the average US citizen know shit about the UN, the partition plan, the history of the conflict or UNRWA despite that the fucking Headquarter is in your fucking global city? And its the same thing for Apartheid. The US and South Africa are textbook examples of racial seperation, yet you guys (at least the left wing) seem completely incapable of understanding the principles behind it: For apartheid, you must live in the same country and discriminate against a certain ethnic group by withholding fundamental citizen rights. The people of Gaza and the West Bank are neither Israeli citizens nor do they want that. Also are they not governed by Israel nor do they want that. They refuse the partition play or any compromise in any way. If you don't believe me please read the charta of the Hamas, or the charta Yasser Arafat published in Algeria (maybe I am mistaken and he just related to Algeria, beauce of their "intifada" of the french).

[@Admiral_yamato]

Why are you worried about the 2 million israeli arabs ( a lot of them identify as Palestinians, btw ) who literally have more rights and better life than both of us?

[@iLanFrid]

Sam, indeed, has TDS and if you have listened to this entire debate on Free Press, you would obviously see it. Ben had a strong rebuttal to every single point Sam through out.

[@roxannestento173]

More importantly, (at least if you’re the “nationalist” you claim to be) who is better for the United States

[@Impzhahaha]

Was always baffled by how Sam Harris can support the nation of israel

[@Wayward9]

First time listening to a debate with him and he seemed pretty reasonable outside of that one issue

[@Impzhahaha]

@ He mentioned it in a speech back in the early 2000s that I saw too and I was so caught off guard. He seems to have very analytical and nuanced takes on philosophy, and then his politics boils down to down to hardline democrat

[@calvingoh9321]

Shapiro is playing checkers pretending he's playing chess. It's hilarious and painful to watch.

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

WHO CARES? Is this the election for president of the US, or the president of Israel? This is why people accuse you of having dual loyalty. You do.

[@chlorophyllmorelikeboraphy6874]

I dont care about what they do for Israel. This is an American president. But Sam, your point is far better than the grifter.

[@LukeMosse]

I get the impression that Sam basically doesn't like Trump's aesthetic, he doesn't care about the proof in the pudding, just ignores it.

[@rahoulg1838]

There are few individuals that make me feel any sense of comfort in the intellectually bankrupt and morally confused world we live in. You top that list.

[@olaf3140]

An absolute beacon of hope.

[@moomoo1200]

how about america first not israel...

[@BobbyDillon-ug5te]

Take a look at what Ben Shapiro had to say on January 7, 2021 about Donald Trump. He never envisioned on that day, that in November 2024, he'd have to be debasing himself to the Magapotamians in order to not lose 85% of his Daily Wire subscriptions.

[@sanekabc]

Can you tell me what he said? Or provide a link?

[@owen3721]

He bet on Desanctimonious and he lost

[@BobbyDillon-ug5te]

@@owen3721 You're 100% correct.

[@FreddotheWheelchairGuy]

Bari hits the nail on the head when she said it's either voting for crazy, or voting for weak. Not a fan of either candidate, but I watched the whole conversation yesterday and it's telling that Sams strongest argument for Kamala is that she's "not Trump" and Ben admits openly that Trump is an unpredictable bullshitter but still more transparent Good Luck America

[@alk158]

Trump is also weak too.

[@alk158]

Trying to both side this is really bad. The fact trump openly puts down minorities is not a good trait. Always saying what you feel is a lack of discipline not being true to yourself. And trump lies to the people that support him more than anyone.

[@safarijoejnr534]

4 years Trump 4 years Biden which was better simple as that

[@SenorArbol]

I think Shapiro clearly had the better arguments here

[@leehamilton4459]

Absolutely not. Sam is much more intelligent than Ben and this conversation highlights that fact. It was like watching a college professor (Sam) debate a junior high kid.

[@PhenomenalWorld]

On top of every other brilliant but also basic and obvious point Sam makes about Trump's unfitness, Trump's lack of policy/belief in climate change is enough to consider him an grave threat to humanity.

[@mikesolarz1561]

Ben Shapiro talks faster than my super fast ADHD brain can tolerate.

[@budawang77]

He's unbearable to listen to. Delivery and content are equally objectionable.

[@DarrenSylvander]

Love him and his mind.

[@gostrum1]

Turn the playback speed down to 0.75 when he’s talking

[@owen3721]

@@DarrenSylvander You have no heart or mind.

[@DarrenSylvander]

@ to my point.

[@the_Hash_Files]

At least we have an honest discussion, who will be represent AIPAC on the international stage and best let them dictate American foreign policy

[@maxtorrington5889]

Sam is broken… he sounds dangerous to himself and others…

[@elajoanna6028]

Shapiro is factual, informed, and absolutely correct. Harris has nothing to add on the topic except for his deep dislike of Trump. And that has not changed since 2016.

[@walter6574]

Please give more detail. 7:50 Sam talks about guard rails and how his Generals had to convince Trump nuclear weapons cannot be used. Would you call that useful info or nothing to add to the topic?

[@toby9999]

Both sides made some good points, though Sam more so. But choosing Trump as president is like calling arsonists to a burning house.

[@dreaminez472]

Since Biden took over the world has descended into war and our border was blown wide open leading to more chaos than I've ever seen. You have it exactly backwards.

[@chrisjones446]

I'm a huge fan of you Sam. I disagree with you regarding Kamala's competency. I admire the dignity and decorum with which you debate. You're a great example for others to follow. Civil discourse is the bedrock of our republic.

[@stevej.7926]

What specifically about Harris makes you question her competency?

[@Dan-ku9mt]

Ben makes some good points, however.....Sam's perspective makes more sense to me. But I'm sure for Jews it would be a very problematic dilemma as who to vote for. That being said, there ware a video of Kamala speaking to an assembly of the Muslim community and stated "there is no such thing as Radical Islam". (!!!!) I don't know if she's just naïve or if she's just playing the crowd to garner favor and votes. Either way, this does not foster trust on her behalf.

[@jperin001]

She's a lawyer, she's playing the crowd. You can trust a lawyer to be pragmatic. You can't trust a lawyer's intent at face value with their words.

[@ActionAlligator]

I guess it's hard to say for many of us not deeply into politics because lying and pandering is its bread and butter, and you really have to pay attention or else be on the inside to know for sure. My hunch would be that she knows better than that, but who knows. It is kind of funny, though, that that statement could technically be interpreted two opposing ways depending; either there is no such thing as 'radical Islam' because Islam isn't radical and only the victim of Islamophobia or w/e; or that there is no such thing as 'radical Islam' because Islam is _only_ radical in the age of modernity.

[@youngornitier]

@@jperin001 so we shouldn't listen to anything ben says here? lol

[@jperin001]

@youngornitier No, I wouldn't say that. I am in the process of listening to the whole debate, and there are some things I have now heard that Ben has said that are actually giving me some solace.

[@tekkertruth1256]

Just give those people their land back n stop enslaving them because of your cowardice n fear.

[@SilverSprings1997]

"If I must die, you must live to tell my story to sell my things to buy a piece of cloth and some strings, (make it white with a long tail) so that a child, somewhere in Gaza while looking heaven in the eye awaiting his dad who left in a blaze- and bid no one farewell not even to his flesh not even to himself- sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above and thinks for a moment an angel is there bringing back love If I must die let it bring hope let it be a tale." - Refaat Alareer

[@captainketchuphater63]

5:10 ben "you're talking to someone who is a victim" shapiro

[@owen3721]

To be fair he was viciously harassed by nazis in 2015-16 but I have no sympathy for him because he's a prick

[@josephschmidt1751]

Sam I truly love you. I disagree with you vehemently about Donald Trump but I am always impressed by your level of intellectual honesty and willingness to engage with opposing viewpoints. The fact that you were willing to post this particular clip shows me a kind of character that is fairly unique. If I were able to vote on cabinet spots I would put all three of you in the next cabinet regardless of the administration.

[@jumpingspider7105]

What happens when someone in Trumps cabinet says "no"? Does Trump value opposing viewpoints?

[@richiet2222]

He's unbelievably baised against Trump. Can't trust these people. He's here for a reason

[@nolslifegren]

Why should Israel even be a consideration ? Who is America for exactly ?

[@ChelleyMadison]

Thank you Sam!

[@dima4961]

Name one Democrat who has done as much for Israel as Trump

[@alk158]

He threw a few bones and yet nothing has changed in israel and Netanyahu agreed not to annex any areas beyond the green line to make concessions for the aa deal. He did it to fool the rubes that he cares about israel and needing their vote. He bragged he got a letter from abbas after the assassination attempt when he doesn't need to pander to evangelist he will abandon just as he did with the kurds.

[@owen3721]

The Abraham Accords led to October 7th.

[@alk158]

@owen3721 disagree. It was the 50th anniversary of the yom kippur war. The aa accords had nothing to do with it. Netanyahu became complacent and though hamas was reforming and couldn't be more wrong. The same who think trump is their friend. He supports chrsitian extremists and cranks.

[@dima4961]

@@owen3721 Democrats and Europeans sending money to Palestinian terrorists led to October 7th

[@feelingjustfine]

Ben Shapiros eyebrows are worth an award, found it hard to concentrate on what he was saying due to feeling like the video got sped up 2X every time he opened his mouth and feeling like I had fallen back into watching a team America puppet... great chat guys!

[@slider292]

Whoever you thought won the debate, let's agree that THIS is the way back. Props to both Sam and Ben (but especially the winner, Sam).

[@alfredogonzalez8735]

Wtf is wrong with Ben's eyebrows

[@dudorotomy]

Shapiro Sharpies!

[@skeletor7708]

I think they've been drawn on!

[@josephsiegel8300]

Do these Jews care about America?

[@notmyname-bx7bc]

Yes. They care about how much money Americans send to support Jewish interests.

[@owen3721]

Replace that with Zionists. That's what matters. Many Jews oppose Israel.

[@PBandJJJJJ]

„He seems to have nothing but contempt for our allies and nothing but praise for our enemies“ What Sam Harris says here is what a lot of Americans seem to not be worried about, but it is a massive danger to their place in the world. Even the mighty USA can NOT keep all their adversaries in check, without allies. Great points from Harris here!

[@Onthesummit]

Has Ben Shapiro ever watched a Trump rally? If so, how can he think the man is anything but completely insane?

[@carlwhite4233]

An honest projection of how I think Ben would answer that. He would say that policy and outcomes matter, not the man. I seriously question the honesty and authenticity of that answer. But you'll notice he doesn't defend Trump as a person at all.

[@asma.nooruddin]

Palestinians are Semites, so supporting Palestinians is supporting Semites. European Jews are not Semites. Thus changing the labels will not change the truth.

[@davidlamb7524]

There are many Palestinians who are descendants of the original Jews of the area who converted to Christianity or Islam some time back .

[@ThisandThat___]

It’s weird that we throw around the word antisemitism in an attempt to shape the discussion when it’s simply a distaste for evil.

[@Phi1618033]

As an Israeli-American, I'm constantly being reminded that if I go far enough in either direction on the political spectrum, I'm going to meet folks who hate me. Living as a Jew is the Horseshoe Theory in full view.

[@owen3721]

Far-leftists don't hate Jews. Many far-leftists are Jewish anti-Zionists. Far-leftists hate Israel because of its occupation since 1967.

[@adaptiveagile]

Well-stated. Unfortunately, that safe center is dwindling.

[@maryannbray3305]

Vote blue all the way to save our democracy and our freedom💙💙💙💙💙

[@criticalthinker9829]

I’m a contractor, under trump lumber prices went up 300% because of his tariffs on Canadian lumber and I lost a-lot because of his tariffs.

[@ΆγιοςΧίλαριος]

To put the title in other words: who's gonna be worse for the Palestinians?

[@keithradke8943]

This guy realizes Trump is the better guy for the job, but can't get over his TDS.

[@seanmellows1348]

I listened to the full episode, it was worthwhile and properly civil. I thought Shapiro was forced to avoid the reality of his chosen candidate’s glaring shortcomings and to admit that he’s voting for a bullshitter whose bullshit he doesn’t believe.

[@charleskatz2606]

I am a liberal Dem so it inttrigued and dismayed me to hear that Nazi hunter Serge Klarsfeld said this past year that Jews should vote far right as post Oct.7th Left is more of a threat

[@buckchile614]

trump never exceeded a 50% approval rating. His high-water mark was 49%. He consistently has shown to be a minority candidate

[@Blaizen]

Both are intelligent men with the best interests of the US and Israel at heart. Some differences? Absolutely. The worshipping of Sam’s ideas and the damning of Ben’s in this comment section is ridiculous and I’m a fan of both.

[@somersetdc]

They both have good points...and both of their arguments have deficits and inconsistencies. I voted for Trump, who is a vulgar, petulant, corrupt liar, because I felt Kamala was an inauthentic fool, surrounded by woke advisers, committed to an antI-Israel agenda. I wish we were given better candidates to choose from.

[@sunnydays405]

Ben’s ideas are terrible 😂😂😂. He’s excusing all of Trumps actions to a point of delusion

[@Bom-pff]

I agree with Sam on a lot, but not in the Trump vs Kamala debate. The positive outweighs the negative with Trump, at least in comparison with Kamala Harris.

[@abbynguyen5923]

There is no quality that redeems betraying your country and attempting to end democracy.

[@williamdukeofnormandy1403]

The question should be, who is better for America !

[@dudorotomy]

Sure, but we cannot be isolationist. That notion is a dangerous fallacy. It’s like ignoring climate change because it’s not hot yet where you are.

[@jmc5335]

​@@dudorotomyDo you think that America's support for genocide and apartheid is making Jews more or less safe?

[@johnstraw5390]

The one that doesn’t attempt to thwart the constitution by attempting a coup. Btw, Trump will do it again if he loses.

[@thebestofallworlds187]

@@dudorotomy but we can say screw Israel.

[@dreaminez472]

​@@dudorotomyAs dangerous as 9/11, the Iraq war, and now a genocide in Gaza? Israel is a liability to America.

[@OriginalDon7]

I see voting for Kamala as voting for someone with a high likelihood of getting a C- grade as president, and voting for Trump as someone with an equal chance of getting a B or an F and you’re just not sure which of the two grades he’ll get until you roll that dice. How to address this dilemma, I don’t know tbh

[@wes8888]

Rare example of 2 intellectuals with opposite stance in a rational and civilized conversation. The best is the slight headspin that they left with us. Salute to the host and the two of the most sophisticated debaters of our time. 🎉🎉🎉

[@joelvinson]

Did he just say that the antisemitism is coming from the far right? Like, have you not watched the news for the last year? No offense, but this whole take of "Don't believe your lyin' eyes" just doesn't work anymore. I'm no Trump fan, but the extent of how much Trump lives in Sam's head rent-free has skewed his judgement to such a degree that I just have to shake my head.

[@reteptetep5078]

Oy vey. They know. Shut it down.

[@timknight5857]

Israeli propoganda podcast 😂

[@SueMaha21]

Sam is the most rational, sane and truly honest on his take on Trump. Everything he has said here is based on facts not fantasy. Listen up people, really listen to Sam. He speaks for a lot of us.

[@weston.weston]

Blows my mind that Ben Shapiro is taken seriously as a religious person, utterly unbelievable!

[@edmikhael1]

Civilized conversation doesn’t get any better than this. I am grateful to being educated by both of you

[@Fnord1984]

Educated? Brsinwashed...

[@ryanv3516]

Shame what happened to Sam, used to be rational and fairly center leaning liberal. Then he went deranged about trump and chose willful ignorance.

[@classactionsteve]

Youre a fool

[@olaf3140]

It's almost like Sam didn't hear about them eating the cats and dogs.

[@glimmo43]

I respect both Sam’s and Ben’s views. Important to listen to different POVs.

[@omarnaggar]

Sam wouldn’t call liberals who are appalled by the devastation in Gaza morons if he saw Palestinians as humans.. I guess his spiritual path helps him feel “connected to the universe”, but not to certain humans..

[@KhonsurasBalancedWaytoWellness]

7:31 Trump needs a pacifier not a policy😂😂😂

[@sinan325]

Instead of asking which would be better for Israel, Maybe we should be asking which candidate would be better to stop the genocide going on in Gaza and Lebanon.

[@biglf]

Move to israel FFS

[@MimiSoup]

A better question is, would Kamala or Trump be better for AMERICA? Israel is a liability.

[@hollywoodambience]

if these people are so concerned with Israel maybe they should move there

[@susanacton5007]

Well done Sam - very disappointed with the moderator here. She appears very uninformed about what actually happened during the (hopefully) one and only Trump administration.

[@andrews9719]

The "There were no invasions of Ukraine under Trump" argument is weak to me. I am surprised no one has argued against in the following way: Under democratic presidents, Putin felt the need to take action due to the US's support of Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine as a measure to stop Western influence from gaining ground in the country. Under Trump, that support waned, and Putin again saw the need to take kinetic action. Putin didn't invade Ukraine because Trump scared him with unpredictability, but because Russia did not fear Trump and the US when it came to the Ukraine due to Trump's lack of support for Ukraine. And even if it was true that Trump scared Putin into not invading- his current policy is to not continue support for Ukraine, but to instead force them to deal with Russia. Republicans are actively trying to undermine Ukraine. So why are Republicans trying to act like Trump would have better foreign policy when it comes to Ukraine?

[@kend7597]

One of the most severe cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome I’ve ever seen

[@shoahkhan5670]

jej... He's been that was since the moment the orange Lucifer rode down that escalator, and he's never sought treatment for it; rather, like a bat, he's evolved to co-exist with the pathogen. This is largely -- in addition to his rather ham-fistedly 'veiled' Zionism -- that I departed from the Samuel Benjamin Harris orbit of pseudo-intellectual, dead-end discourse.