WOW! A FORCE FEEDBACK YOKE that's AFFORDABLE! CLS-60 Yoke Review - Somnium VR1 Mixed Reality | MSFS

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

HURRY! You still have time to pre order the CLS-60 Force Feedback Yoke for $799 here: flitesim.com/ The price goes UP at the end of this weekend. (Link non affiliated).

[@markm75]

look like they are sold out now

[@Ferry987x]

I got one but No info when it will be delivered.

[@DKStanford]

Hey Steve - I'm not a flight-sim guy at all (despite being retired AF). I just wanted to mention that despite my lack of interest in flying, I really enjoy your hardware coverage, even on products like this. The flight-sim community is one of the most passionate and I assume skews towards an older demographic since it requires a non-trivial investment. You guys are really pushing VR hardware development and I find your commentary very informative. That's it-I just figured it proper to extend sincere positive feedback to let you know that you're producing meaningful content.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You've no idea how much that made my day. Thankyou so so much. It really means a lot.

[@poolhallshark]

Great video, Steve. I am almost ashamed to admit that I am still using a joystick for my flying. But most of my flying is either gliders or jets, so I guess it is OK. But it would be amazing to try something like this some time. But I think my next 2 big investments will be the 5090 and the Dof. Unless I win a lot in lotto and I can upgrade the whole lot for 10k or something like that. That being said, some of the satisfaction in acquiring new gadgets lies in the saving and prioritizing. You are lucky to be able to try all this out, but you have put in your almost unfair share of blood, sweat, tears, hours and money into your channel, so it is VERY well deserved. Take care, my friend. Love from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥

[@SimHangerFS]

I told Fabian you would love it....😂 So glad you feel the same way about it that I do! Now essential to my flying experience. Enjoy.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You weren't wrong mate 😅 Thanks for your help btw, it works a treat on my H2.

[@DJHeroMasta]

Damn, damn, damn. This looks awesome! I gotta see if I should save up for this and dive straight into the high end or start off with a sidewinder or something.

[@artursychov]

VR1 Mixed Reality + this force feedback is the ultimate combo! Amazing!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Couldnt agree more 😁

[@wittyname-sy5je]

I was thinking about that. The VR headset, motion rig and force feedback control makers should all consider partnering up for the expos and offering extra units for demo purposes. Giving people a taste of the ultimate sim experience would probably help get them hooked.

[@FlightSimMuseum]

Great video, thanks for making the effort. I havn't used FFB since the Microsoft Sidewinder days (1999?), and now it's time to get back into it. You probably know, but one reason these devices haven't been on the market was patent issues.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou I really appreciate it. I did not know that interesting!

[@MutlerWheelz]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Yeah I think it was Immersion Corp they owned a whole bunch of different FFB patents until 2019, but there were others that also stopped anything like this in development. They sued Microsoft and Sony back in like 2000 and there has been nothing in the market since. I've had FFB on the driving sim forever and I can't imagine not having this FFB. It was always missing from flight sims and I'm so happy these products have started to hit the market now

[@desmodromic4586]

I have the CLS MK2 yoke and pedals from Brunner….its next to my Varjo Aero the best money I have ever spent

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice!

[@ped190]

You my friend are a bad influence on me, not only have I bought the pimax crystal lite with your referral, I also bought the vrwave prescription lenses with your referral I've just spent another £642 on this cls-60 based on your review, I'm just glad my wife doesn't see my bank statements😂😂😂😂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I would apologise but, I know how much you are going to love it. Well done for getting in before the price increase too. Thanks for watching.. Now to hide from your wife behind my motion rig 😅

[@ped190]

@@VRFlightSimGuy the DofReality H3 is my Xmas pressie from the wife, I've told her the money is sitting as soon as she wants to buy it 🤑🤑🤑

[@MrLolof1]

😂😂😂

[@pedshred]

One of the smoothest landings I have seen on your channel. 👍

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou, although I'm sure the new Yoke takes the credit here. 😅

[@OffiYT]

I've just ordered the Moza FFB Stick Base yesterday, despite the lack of information regarding the software. As Moza has been in the FFB business for a while now and is quite a name in simracing, I'm not expecting a bad surprise there. However, my hopes are high that they are working on a Yoke too, would be nice to have both types of controls using the same software. For now, I've got to go and buy some beautiful warbirds for the meantime :P

[@UkDave3856]

This is what I’ve been missing since I sold my Piper share, the ability to feel trim forces through the controls. I’ll be looking into this yolk for sure

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You'll love this Dave. Thanks for watching

[@joen7521]

My favorite force feedback moment of all time was assuming my old Microsoft ffb suddenly broke while playing Il2, only to look at my wing and see that my aileron was shot away…

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Brilliant 😅

[@DJHeroMasta]

Epic!

[@NovaGeddon771]

Great video as usual! I noticed your hands when holding the yoke are much higher up than in other videos. I know it is high because of the base of the FFB yoke. Wouldn’t it be nice if the guys from FliteSim would give us the option to turn it upside down? This would give us more options to choose the yoke height. If you agree to this, you are the man to let them know of this option.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou 😊 I'm planning to lower my DOF Reality frame to accommodate for this. But that's a good point and I wish I mentioned this has another criticism of the Yoke. Thanks for watching.

[@PulsechainProfits]

you do a great job. looks like a great upgrade.

[@MightyMe001]

With this MSFS at last becomes something to be taken serious again and rises above a game Sim. MS Thrustmaster had a FFB joystick once and then it just was gone. Looking forward to it.... Hopefully VIRPIL brings one out as well.

[@StekuVideo]

As FFB Yoke is too expensive for me I modded my Honeycomb Alpha Yoke by installing a cheap AliExpress linear actuator driven by a mini stepper motor. It moves the pitch axis neutral point allowing trimming by feel, like in the small GA plane.

[@lurchilurch5507]

That's cool. How does the actuator know your current trim setting? Are you reading out the sim vars into its somehow?

[@StekuVideo]

It doesn't. The trim switch on the yoke (the left hand side part of the dual Alpha switch) was rewired and controls only the actuator without passing any control signals to the sim.

[@lurchilurch5507]

@@StekuVideo oh I see! Nice

[@StekuVideo]

There is an instructional video on KZbin on my channel.

[@gregprouse1173]

Amazing Video buddy. This is really interesting :) I got my 4090 on order and once I got it Tuesday to match my existing Varjo Aero. Cannot wait. Keep up the great work my friend. PS Im the guy that made the real nice compliment/comment at xmas :)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou Greg, for still being here and watching my videos. Congratulations on that 4090, it will unleash your Aero 😁

[@gregprouse1173]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Always welcome. I actually watch them several times over. I cannot wait to see the power of the 4090. I’m as passionate about VR flight sims and VR in general as you are. I think I may start recording some videos and sharing in the group to share the joy. :)

[@jessekoepp3928]

My comment is late to the party but I'd just like to say I'm glad there is more competition in the space. The more competition, the better it is for the customer.

[@wittyname-sy5je]

I went ahead and ordered one. So many FFB flight controls coming out now and later this year, it's fantastic. Getting the authentic experience plus the ability to train with one is tough to pass up at the current price (even if it is a decent chunk of change). They're also going to be releasing FFB rudder pedals in Q4 as well. I hope they're similarly cheaper than the competition (which right now I think is just Brunner at over $2k). Apparently DOF Reality fixed the cogging issue on their rigs. Really in a great era for simmers.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Congratulations for going for it. Honestly I've never seen such a time! Thanks for watching.

[@MrLolof1]

Oh Steve Amazing vidéo 😍😍👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I wanted too a FFB yoke but the price #Brunner or #Simionic it’s very expensive .(1300/1100€) 😮 I have a #Rhino Vpforce for DCS /Il2/ (amd 7800X3D + Pimax Crystal + RTX 4090) it’s amazing a base FFB for military aircraft but for Mfs 2020 and 2024 I bought a day a #FliteSim FFB yoke CLD-60 as you 😍👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you so much Steve with this excellent vidéo Aplushhs /Laurent 👍🏻👍🏻🇫🇷

[@bigbangerz5856]

It’s a good time for them to release/kickstart a FFB yoke as well

[@tdhitchins]

Would love the moza ffb base, it’s gonna change the experience massively. Just like the wheelbases for racing sims. Can’t do without it but it’s a little pricey albeit much cheaper than any other option

[@davidimmanuel8209]

Hi Steve. I am receiving the CLS-60 soon and am planning to mount it to my DOF H3 (BTW, thank you for sharing your positive feedback on these products which inspired me to get them). I also have a 4 mm aluminum plate with the same dimension as the CLS-60 (including the extra width for the mounting holes as per their spec: 377 x 434 mm). Can you share exactly how you mounted the aluminum plate to the H3? I am currently replacing the Honeycomb Alpha only and do not have a Bravo. I do have the DOF Alpha/Bravo Mounting plate if needed.

[@markm75]

Did you end up with overlap in the front and rear of the table with that 400mm aluminum piece? IE: before the yoke was flush with the dof "table" front, now it sticks out in both the front and rear? I'd say if was flush in the front you'd have around 7.5" sticking out in the rear, maybe too much flex ? Guessing you have overlap on the left too, or the quadrant wouldnt still fit next to the cls60? (3"? )

[@Emir_de_Passy]

Thanks for the video!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers buddy!

[@Heckenpenner1701]

Ordered now......and Moza force feedback base too...🤩👍

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Wow nice!

[@smsheard]

I think if you get the force feedback rudders too, you have basically got a simulated aircraft. I cant think of much more you need. Obs youcan have a motion rig that can turn you upside but its not very pratical. Apart from things just being better , resolution, phyics etc. What is left?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Very true!

[@lurchilurch5507]

Excellent video! Love the 3 perspectives (4 if you count the pass-through!) combined together. Looks like an amazing product, although the size puts me off in relation to my current setup and I only just got an Alpha XPC =) I see you're not using a comfort strap for the VR1 anymore, any reason for that? BTW how easy is it to attach the counterweights to the back of the headset?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou so much, I really appreciate that, especially after all the work I put into this one. I'm using a slightly different head strap here for testing purposes. Very well spotted :)

[@skippychurch2965]

Have you used the Brunner yoke, yet? Compared to this which is better I wonder... I've placed an order for this one, and the wait is way way longer for them to even ship than I expected.

[@JC-xr6dk]

I had a question if you could answer, what's the performance impact in terms of FPS with this yoke? I know you have a beast of a system but just curious if you could shed any light on the performance impact. (I only get about 25 fps or so in VR so I don't have much to lose.)

[@emotioneering]

Where did force feedback go? I remember having a FF steering wheel in the 90s

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's BACK and better than ever!

[@markm75]

In other places out there in the wild i've heard that its hard to keep the yoke calibrated or it simply doesnt stay calibrated, have you ran into this?

[@gizmo104drives7]

As an avid sim racer the question I would ask is how has it taken so long??

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I guess you don't miss what you haven't tried

[@justinspirational]

Good question in regards ffb yokes.. in regards ffb joysticks.. it's taken so long to get decent ffb joysticks (like the ffbeast and moza that are only just coming out now too) because Microsoft had a patent on ffb joysticks in general that lasted 20 years since the Microsoft sidewinder force feedback 2 came out 22/23 years ago but thankfully that patent has now expired allowing other companies to finally evolve the technology.. maybe that patent somehow applied to yokes too

[@RIKAAR_Ambient]

Ordered this also

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice!

[@szabolcscsengoi4231]

It is a great thing that msfs even supports it. What about other flight sims?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

X Plane and P3D is supported

[@mikegc3816]

Wondered when you would get one of these!

[@JC-xr6dk]

My computer can barely run msfs right now in VR (I get about 15-25 fps) -- How much of an impact does this yoke have on performance? I'm thinking about getting it but not if my frames drop below 15.

[@harrys8600]

Like @ped190 you have been a bad influence on me too. Varjo Aero and The Crystal. But my wallet beat you to my purchase of the new Moza force feedback Flight Stick.. When are you getting to test one of those. Also is force feedback, back for sim flying?

[@ivaniuk123]

Is it possible to trim the pass through window? It seems like part of your game view is obscured by the pass through.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes sorry, it's due to the way VR is being recorded here. Thnans for watching

[@DB-be9wy]

Let me guess. They aren’t available yet or not in stock if they are. Amiright?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You have until tomorrow evening to get this for $799

[@markm75]

Trying to tell from the video, but what was involved to make that fit on the dof reality platform, or did you just attach it directly after removing the honeycomb? IE: can you get that plate online somewhere (i think you said you had a link) ?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hey Mark. Search for a 400x400 aluminium plate (4mm thick). I had to drill some extra holes for it to fit.

[@markm75]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Brilliant, thanks.. now for the stock to be available on the yoke again haha

[@markm75]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Kinda tough to find, looks like many say "guillotine cut" so probably with sharp edges.

[@GoingVroom]

I'd have to buy something to replace the all the buttons I'd lose from my Alpha. I really want a FFB yoke though...

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I thought the same, but this has just enough buttons for everything I need

[@MrGamingPlays]

what setup is that you're sitting on for the motion simulator?

[@PvtPartzz]

What aircraft were you flying at the 30 second mark? I don’t recognize the cockpit. The canopy is harrier-like but I don’t know if any two-seat harriers

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hawk

[@PvtPartzz]

@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks, I’ll have to look that one out

[@garethcoleman3950]

What happened to the DOF reality rig? I can imagine in a motion sim, with motion controls and a vr headset could be quite disorienting

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

What happened to it? Not sure I understand your question sorry. The more motion the better it actually feels.

[@ivaniuk123]

All because of an evil patent troll we haven't had force feedback yokes and joysticks for a long time and we're a decade behind in this technology than we should be....

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I never knew that!

[@oldoldbikebiker]

Damn. Got so carried away by your enthusiasm I just ordered one....

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Congratulations! I'm never going back to a regular spring yoke again now!

[@paulsleighty]

Really impressive bit of hardware, out of my price range though😢

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers Paul for watching

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

2:05 To be fair do you really need a yoke? Moza just anoced their FFB base for joysticks will be $500 and you can get older FFB sticks like the MS side winder 2 for $60... SAnd if you want the full force version you can get custom ones for $800 like FBBeast... So yeah while you right for a yoke there is nothing at that value point... But do you really need a yoke? Like it's not approved for FAA flight training but a $60 thustmaster joystick is.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes, for GA, a yoke is essential. Personally I could live without a joystick, but not a yoke. Just shows how we are all different.

[@RIKAAR_Ambient]

Yoke is good for flying Cessna 150, 172, Grand Caravan or Business Jets! I bought this yoke cause im in ppl lessons now. The joystick Bades are good for Military or GA ultra lights. A lot of them have sticks. Different Planes Different need.

[@justinspirational]

Can't deny a ffb joystick is still far more versatile than a yoke though... can be used with helicopters and virtually all combat flight sims and military aircraft as well as many other GA aircraft so you're getting more bang for your buck but understand a yoke for someone who prefers GA fixed wing specifically makes sense.. each to their own but personally GA fixed wing doesn't interest me.. I'm a real world helicopter pilot and rotary wing GA is the most fun I can have in real life but to beat that for the most fun in the sim world combat flying (being able to blow up and shoot stuff) adds the extra fun I'll likely never be able to do in real life so the ffb joystick will be by next investment looking at the moza or ffbeast (ffbeast proven to already add a lot of immersion to both fixed but also rotary wing flying virtually used as a cyclic and I'm sure the same will be true for the moza too once the reviews come out).. will you be getting the moza or ffbeast at any point Steve to review?

[@GD-lv8cc]

I went back and forth between the Moza and this and landed on the yoke because of the sale. I could always save up for the Moza later on, and maybe by then they'll have their pedals released, too - as I'm flying with auto rudder atm.

[@RIKAAR_Ambient]

@GD-lv8cc yeah! I was nearly to buy a brunner but decided to wait a litten bit, and now coming more and more with FFB. Competition between the manufacturers is good for us flightsimers!

[@toffenloffen8033]

maybe it's time to actually get a pilot's license

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Why? This suits me far better thankyou.

[@RIKAAR_Ambient]

You'll need a lot of time and also money to fly in reality! Msfs is doing really really good job here. Because of it I started with PPL :D it's different to fly real, but time expansive! So a nice rig at home is always good.

[@qad417]

Test Moza AB6 base ffb.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Coming soon

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

Oh it’s a controller for flight simulator alright

[@lurchilurch5507]

Well done mate 😅

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

He's a fast learner 😅