WoW Classic - How to Become UNHITTABLE in AOE Farms!

[@Styreta]

Someone needs to make an addon / weakaura that shows your unhittable from X mobs etc with whatever gear you have on.

[@lobsterfork]

I must say this is an excellent video. The information you have given to us is priceless. I cannot stress how much I appreciate this video. You have confirmed what I was slowly progressing towards, which was an avoidance based strat farming set instead of a spell damage based gear set. After I watched this video and swapped to a mostly avoidance based gear set, my deaths per strat farm went from 1-2 per run to 0 per run. Small sample size, but I think the trend will hold. Fantastic work Arlaeus! P.S. Your wrath of Cenarius video is fucking awesome. I love this ring. You are the fucking man!

[@arlaeus9491]

Thank you!!

[@MsReakab]

And yeah i had another idea : What sort of stats should we focus on while playing paladins. Like you get avoidable cap + sp for farm, you get hp and armor for boss raid, block for trashs packs or whatever, you know because sometimes i'm not sure of what to do with my stuff

[@bonnassem]

For once, the French were the best in theorycrafting ! Credit for the idea (or at least precedence) goes to Kami Labs and his theorycrafting partner Arianah. See kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5inoaSho7qBpKM

[@KamiLabsNews]

haha thx ! you have all our gear here if you want try the run (in french but wow head link on the items) docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hOYoWgstAn-qpzUfv4MUjsDOjUJVmOMKfQBFfaiLhxI/edit#gid=0

[@math846]

One comment the defense of 502 wasn’t propagated across the spread sheet like you did with the defense stats so you may have a little more avoidance there with miss

[@arlaeus9491]

Thank you, good call!

[@tim6360]

@@arlaeus9491 I have been working to gear up and appreciate the spreadsheet. One question (and I should probably ask in discord): does the defense number actually mean anything in the spreadsheet? The cell isn't referenced in any equation and you can verify this by changing defense to 999999 and there's no modification to total avoidance. Also, for what it's worth, I use your weak aura to show total avoidance (and have verified it through in-game, default character stats screen), and at 78.01 base (102.81 total) avoidance in SM I still get hit in the face (not from behind or while stunned, etc). I am probably missing something basic (normally the case), but I found it strange. Also a human paladin.

[@miskee11]

your P1 gear set isn't even maximized for avoidance, so you could actually already do strat without getting hit at all, for example. just by switching a few enchants that will already become possible.

[@Mazxlol]

I remember back in the real TBC a rogue could reach 100% dodge and tank raids, until it was nerfed:(

[@Mezer_PoE]

Used to do it with druid tanks, they had to buff sunwell mobs to actually hit them.

[@GideonAI]

Yeah it was only nerfed in WotLK to have diminishing returns, Sunwell mobs had the +25% hit chance or something but unhittable Rogues are still doable everywhere else.

[@CScones]

Any alternative recommendations besides scarab trinket? I feel like it'll be hard to find groups for BWL in TBC willing to run it weekly to try and get it.

[@MRkriegs]

yea theres a few good trinkets throughout the phases: moroes pocket watch gives +38 dodge rating, adamant figuring gives +32 defense, both easy to get P1 items. Next phase their is scarab of displacement which gives +42 defense! And then in P3 there is the holy grail, king of all mitigation items, shadowmoon insignia which gives +36 defense AND +32 dodge! =OOOOOOO

[@Dalzedur]

A few questions: Are there any npc enemies out there with expertise stat? When considering what gear to pick from what is available, how much agility do you need a piece to have in comparison to defense rating or dodge rating to get higher mitigation from solely agi increasing dodge? Do dodge rating / block rating / parry rating differ in how much they affect mitigation%? For example, if choosing between a gear with 20 dodge rating, 20 parry rating or 20 block rating, which one is the most desirable (is it parry > dodge > block, unless you have effects that proc on blocks?) How much does race ultimately matter for mitigation calculations, since they start with different str and agi values, at least.

[@rallemurre]

Video idea would ofc be ZG mount solo farm if it is possible as paladin.

[@arlaeus9491]

Was thinking about that :). Obviously need much more gear haha

[@Rockmaster867]

@@arlaeus9491 arent zg bosses lvl 63? Should be doable in phase 4/5

[@lobsterfork]

@@arlaeus9491 arent bosses your level +3?

[@Bishox]

@@lobsterfork no

[@lobsterfork]

@@Bishox if you are going to be wrong, at least add more than 1 word. “ These bosses have a "dynamic" level - when a numeric level is required for some calculation, they are considered to be 3 levels above the player character involved in that calculation. That is, if both a level 60 warrior and a level 65 druid both tank the same skull type boss, the boss will make crushing blows on the warrior as if it was 63, and on the druid as if it was 68.”

[@TastyScotch]

I definitely had a full avoidance set on my pally back in original tbc. I did it just for the lawls but love to see its practical applications shown here 👍

[@jerymongo2174]

And I am from mars

[@sanji2158]

U can become unhittable in p2 with the proper gear-gem-enchant combo. the gear needed is also not very contested except for the kaelthas quest necklace which you should therefore put as your #1 loot prio in the guild

[@MrPerlew]

Well done as always, thank you for the high quality videos!

[@arlaeus9491]

Thank you!

[@De_Nome]

I have the same gear as you more or less and the mobs inside Black Morass hit me for 90 up to 150 physical damage with their melee swings while only their special abilites would hit me for up to 300 damage meaning that Black Morass might not need that much block value. Also, the video has information about physical avoidance while taking in consideration dungeons that have spellcasters which actually hit pretty hard ( some of them also have silence/fear ).

[@HarryPearce7]

How does being unhittable affect reckoning? If you have high enough block value, and don't receive any damage, does that mean reckoning never procs? Or does it proc off of mitigated damage

[@MsReakab]

I love these videos, so much theory craft potential with the paladin it's amazing! A good video topic imo, could be a guide on a potential ret-tank spec where you can dps on boss when you have nothing to do, while still tanking packs of mobs efficently. (I don't even know if it's possible but hey)

[@shaadydog1]

The true OP toon…

[@remind2die]

Warriors can do very well, even without hitting 100% if you use 2-piece tier 4, which grants 200 absorb shield on each parry.

[@Emilgod]

yep they have some serious potential , real question is how would they kill the mobs i suppose

[@GreenMyst12]

@@Emilgod I guess a combo of thunderclap and cleave, their rage gen would be insane so resource isn't an issue

[@DOLamba]

@@Emilgod shield spike. >:D

[@getcarried8116]

I know u

[@sidho582]

@@Emilgod sporeggar shield named Petrified Lichen Guard

[@CloakedMarine]

Do you think you could possibly log your dungeons and see the mitigation %? Think it would be cool to see

[@Archangelmd]

I might have to do some digging through your videos but do you have one covering gear enchants? I'm trying to decide now on if I should be wearing items with spell damage and mana per sec or ones with defensive stats like +defense. I'm only 61 but I'm trying to plan ahead and if I'm going to enchant a piece I want to be sure its both the right piece and the right enchant. Thank you

[@gomesc06]

Personally, I prioritize stats in the following way: 490 def > 102.4% avoidance (favoring block rating) > enough stam to hit 11k hp > Spell damage. Basically your gems and gear enchants are going to depend on whatever area you are lacking in. Early on you will probably end up wanting more defense and avoidance stats, then once you get better itemized gear, start replacing your enchants with more stamina and spell damage.

[@mixmastermike1021]

Great vid, looking forward to the next one!

[@Thundersticks_FC]

Awesome video man! I don't suppose you have your spreadsheet available for us slackers? Haha

[@ColinHarding]

I really appreciate the intelligent thought you put into your videos. You do the thinking so I don't have to lol. TY

[@PennySheraldine]

I always jokingly say that I leave he thinking to the nerds. Gods bless nerds. /salute

[@PvtPJ]

correct me please but i'd like to understand we're not unhitable right? we're uncrushable and we block dmg that is reduced to zero cause of shield block value? so even if we have the "un crushable state" for higher level dungeons we cannot reduce the dmg down to zero form lets say Slave Pens, am I right?

[@drafman1]

no you are not correct, you are effectively unhittable with this build. Re-watch the video

[@PvtPJ]

@@drafman1 ûnhittable = you never get hit -> block = getting hit -> hit reduced with block value and skilltree to zero dmg. you are clrearly wrong here (i got the information i needed days back)

[@IRISH_STACHE]

I thought pally def cap was 490... so does having more than 490 still count towards additional avoidance? Or would u not receive any additional benefits towards avoidance past 490 def. Or do you receive the additional avoidance but no additional dmg reduction from being past def cap?

[@Ecn42]

It's a soft cap. You can go over, you still get benefits, but there is Diminishing Returns the higher over the cap you go.

[@captainpocky]

490 is specifically the crit cap, which is mostly what you care about fighting raid bosses. So each point of defense lowers your chance to be crit by 0.04%, bosses have a 5.6% chance to crit you --> 5.6/0.04 = 140 --> 140+350 = 490 So above 490 you still benefit from the 0.04% dodge, parry, block, and miss chance defense gives vs. a 73 mob. Vs a lvl 38 mob you're crit capped by default at 350 so it doesn't matter anyway

[@IRISH_STACHE]

Ty both of you!

[@Taziod]

Do you have any recommendations for other options instead of wrath of cenarious? I get it, 132 spell power is insane but like if my other gear is good enough and I get like 50 on a ring is that sufficient? I REALLY don't want to spend 10 hours grinding random quests for that ring I don't care how busted it is.

[@KR-eu8gi]

cenarion exalted (ashyen's) isn't bad

[@theoriginalbreadcrumb]

Finding boosters now is harder then finding a tank on Mirage Raceway EU. I assume there will be some boosting once people start to finish up reps and gear on their mains.

[@kazimirpwn]

are you kiddin_ un gehenas strathold overpopulated and boosts are 15g which is cheap af

[@HugoBolzer]

104% avoidance sounds nice ... but i think "Block Value" vs. incoming Dmg could still be a problem

[@anram2174]

So does this mean that you can solo ZG mount bosses as a Ret or Tank Warrior with these stats? Feral Druid aswell?

[@Morgrid7]

If your goal is to be unhittable including blocks, I definitely would not suggest weighting all the avoidance stats (dodge/parry/block/defense) evenly. Block rating is definitely highest as it has the highest returns, followed by defense, then dodge, and lastly parry. With that in mind in Sunwell gear, you can get over 111% combined avoidance, with 579 block value, significantly higher than what your original late game set. Just something to keep in mind when trying to find unhittable, even with less gear. A stat weight of 18 for block rating, 10 for defense, 8 for dodge, and 6 for parry looked pretty good for me, assuming you can get block value high enough to full block of course.

[@arlaeus9491]

Great call man! I appreciate it!

[@Morgrid7]

@@arlaeus9491 No Problem! Happy to help, just watched your video and it got me thinking and playing around with things is all

[@Morgrid7]

@@arlaeus9491 101.88% will be attainable by P2, with 3pc T5 with 476 block value, should be very strong for farming quite a few places I would think, and certainly leaves some wiggle room with gear too

[@scratchvippy2600]

A mathematically exact rating would be seventyupgrades.com/ep/import?name=Avoidance&22=5.291&20=6.667&24=3.226&26=12.658&0=4 . The best avoidance you can get in phase one is probably 99.59% unbuffed (seventyupgrades.com/set/d3B9JBSF6WsVQAm9UFTxnp ), pop an agi scroll or blessing of kings and you are past 100% (If you can go any higher feel free to correct me). But going for this means loosing literally every other useful stat XD. However this makes me hopeful, that by exchanging a couple of pieces one could possibly pull off an Hellfire ramparts one pull (you do need more blockvalue though probably). Not me though. I am lazy and can't be bothered farming this stuff XD.

[@oOYeTTiOo]

awesome video and Prot Pally become gods in Wrath so i cant wait for that as well

[@addinho1987]

Uh? No

[@deadmanfred]

Prot pallys are the best tanks for sure, buy with talent changes and level 80 many classes can do the same farms pallys are famous for in tbc... also I think they nerfed aoe farming. I've had a resto druid boost me wotlk lol

[@oOYeTTiOo]

@@addinho1987 you've must have never played wrath...

[@oOYeTTiOo]

@@deadmanfred that's weird I AoE grinded myself to 80 when Wrath came out on my prot pally felt the same or if not stronger

[@deadmanfred]

@@oOYeTTiOo right, but everyone got the buffs too. I'm just saying compared to tbc, prot isn't god status. It's still extremely good, best tank in wotlk for sure.

[@derekestump6435]

Good stuff bud! As always!

[@arlaeus9491]

Thank you!

[@LaggyHen]

Do you think it's possible to duo ZG in P1 with a prot paladin and an enhance sham as an off heal/interupter?

[@arlaeus9491]

Probably not. The bosses have too much health and you can’t become unhittable there yet so eventually you’d go oom on both accounts I believe

[@LaggyHen]

@@arlaeus9491 hmmm, well I'm still gonna give it a try haha

[@iammeandmyself]

What scrolling loot text add on do you use now?

[@JuanRamirez-fx3tf]

What addon are you using to get the miss chance?

[@Critical1Shot]

Paladin Hype Paladin Hype Paladin Hype

[@Bilobilas]

Arlaeus Can you make again with TSM video of update tbc would be happy to watch :)

[@bakerfx4968]

Great video!

[@Bakermann86]

Live your videos - so you have Any Content or recommodations of how/where to farm after ZF (currently ends at lvl 52). Thanks in advance :)

[@Primarch25]

Is any of this still relevant? All kinds of errors with the Weakauras links as well.

[@AyoSoma]

you mentioned kings, may i ask what stats that would affect? would something like sanctuary just be +80 to your block value when calculating?

[@arlaeus9491]

Sanctuary isn’t a direct 80 due to scaling damage modifiers I believe. (Otherwise with sanctuary we’d never take damage immediately since they only hit for 25). Kings would affect your agility which provides dodge, and str which increases block value.

[@Dalzedur]

@@arlaeus9491 My hunch is that sanctuary reduces damage before armor's reduction gets applied. So, if your sanctuary is... -24(?) damage taken per swing, and you have 50% armor value, the swing damage would only get reduced by 12. But I also observed that lower level enemies were only getting like -6 to their swing damage from sanctuary, so that begs the question of how armor reduction scales with enemy level? Is the %-value indicated when hovering over the stat against 'enemies of your level' even if it does not say so? Would have to investigate how much XYZ armor actually would reduce the damage of an enemy 20 levels below your character. Hmmhmm, and is block value applied after armor reduction or before? How would it synergize with sanctuary?

[@parsajanaki7203]

@@arlaeus9491 can you do a video about how block value actually works? i have about 1k block value on my baladin but i still get hit for less than 1k some times

[@makarenkovadim-0143]

What is this kill tracker plate? is it a weakaura?

[@danielweimer7207]

wonder if shamans can do this too

[@GG-jm6gi]

wait.. dont elite mobs get different values hit wise?

[@benjaminzaugg1127]

can you share the sheet so we can insert our own numbers?

[@kevinnorman1996]

At least he explains the formula in vid so we can calculate ourself … i tried to use sheet too but couldn’t edit :/

[@timferistreams2162]

So with other consumes + kigns + any other buffs, is it possible to Phase 1 solo farm Hellfire ramparts as a paladin?

[@arlaeus9491]

Potentially, yes!

[@timferistreams2162]

@@arlaeus9491 awesome

[@anarchy8263]

Is this achievable for an avoidance hunter?

[@TwistedMedicS]

Will you try making a warrior aoe farm video as a challange?

[@PvPaddict007]

warriors dont aoe, unless loudly crying as a mage or pally outfarms them counts towards AOE

[@OctaneeX]

Warrior will just AoE tank but not class ability damage.

[@arlaeus9491]

Potentially at some point, but I'd have to level one up.

[@investogoat3889]

Is there any way for us non raiding paladins who would like to get better gear to farm? Like in WOLK you could run heroics for badges then buy decent gear. Is there a way to get better gear without raiding?

[@parkerfrode5101]

Obviously it’d be the same thing. Heroics/badge of justice from the heroics.

[@christiansvendsen6668]

where will the damage as warrior come from besides sporegar shield and cleave?

[@BigJahk]

If u check out his other video about which shield is best for paladin, warrior's only option to be even remotely competitive will likely be stacking multiple force reactive disks in ur bags to swap. He doesn't mention this specifically but FRD is above and beyond the highest damage shield depending on your avoidance.

[@carvascheung3871]

subbed

[@Honnatore]

How do you calculate the total miss chance from cell B5?

[@TheEfficientGamer]

5 + (Defense rating - 350)*.04 this is the base miss against level 70 mobs.

[@joshuawhite6788]

What about casters ?

[@GeekdOut]

I am new to WoW can you make a video on the phases?

[@jorgerios1473]

Can a warrior achieve this power ?

[@ModernRapsuxs]

Can this be done on a rogue

[@quackdar]

How do druids stack up? Can they get dodge high enough to do the same?

[@arlaeus9491]

Unfortunately since they won't get any rage if they don't get hit, and can't do much damage without their rage (limited to reflect and melee rage generation), they won't stack up very well.

[@quackdar]

@@arlaeus9491 they would hit capped avoidance easier though no? Would buffs like thorns and ret aura still go through if they were dodging? Is buff application still viable for threat production in TBC?

[@scecile7623]

@@quackdar Thorns only deals damage when you take damage. If you parry, dodge, or fully block a hit then thorns deals no damage.

[@chillnkill3983]

whait a second, so on p5 i can jump into pvp and no rogue / warri / hunter will ever hit me?

[@cherrybomberdr4253]

No, that avoidance % is assuming that your block value is higher than the hit you're taking and players will definitely be hitting you for a lot more than 200-300. Plus spells (sinister strike, etc.) have naturally higher hit chance, plus any expertise/hit rating/etc that the player has will push their hit chance higher than a lvl 70 mob's.

[@ArenaHealer]

I'm a warrior...I want to play, too. EDIT: with an alt shaman, shaman want to zug!

[@ino145]

Anyone has or knows a WA avoidance for Warriors? :D

[@theratking3998]

Shows a mage in thumbnail, video about paladins and warriors 😅

[@sunderwire]

When leveling up my 60 warrior in full t3 I basically took no damage tanking ramparts, Bf or slave pens. I feel like our pallies should be able to do that in the next phase or two

[@Kawaii_Lannie]

Does this only work for Warriors and paladins? Would it work for Mage AOEing?

[@dolphlungr3n667]

...

[@undacuvabrotha]

@@dolphlungr3n667 lmao

[@mihalydomsodi327]

Please update sp mage boost

[@kimysok5657]

Yikes i wish i have one Jessica piece next weeek

[@GamblinDan]

Whenever I try to play classic, I'm the only person on my server for anywhere any level range horde and there are no more free transfers. When transfers were free there were people playing still. I effectively cannot play a shit ton of content now

[@heroofhyrule9778]

cool story

[@getcarried8116]

“Pure unhittable, and kill them with reflect damage” Arlaeus-2021

[@KingWigga21]

if he reflects , the mobs get damage as they dont have 350+ def

[@getcarried8116]

@@KingWigga21 you won’t reflect if you don’t get hit

[@Focus636Havoc]

while he does say that (obvious click bait) they do hit him, he just blocks the dmg, but still reflects dmg, no?

[@razisgosu]

@@Focus636Havoc Unless I'm mistaken a full block does not count as a hit either. So a full block would result in no reflect.

[@dead4419]

i love u man

[@epicscoreCS2]

finnaly im so tierd of all these spell caster prot paladins thinking 1k spell power is so much superior to 800..

[@Shockwaveo]

naked mage wins again

[@0ffd]

have fun while you can TBC is already falling off due to Activisions incompetence and Greed

[@d0k0night]

Yet here you are commenting on a supposedly dead game.

[@0ffd]

@@d0k0night Lol yep exactly why I will quit again. I know how this will work out sorry I made you butthurt giving you the truth😬

[@LeCharles07]

So TBC is broken as fuck?

[@TwistedMedicS]

First

[@fanatic26]

This is a very troll/clickbait title. Becoming unhittable in SM is 100% useless. Nobody is leveling toons anymore under 58. Also ive never even seen one of your characters with good gear because you dont raid enough to do so. This makes your phase 5 gear list sure seem like a pipe dream. I am just not seeing how this information is all that helpful.

[@nickturney6081]

Daamn ur salty

[@houstisiomcfinasto9665]

He's just theory crafting brotherman XD

[@lesdruideslesdruides]

Maybe to farm things like stratholm which is very good gold/hour even without boosting anyone ? Also, people will start leveling alts sooner or later once their main/ 2 mains are geared, since you can only get one lvl 58 boost. And the slave pens/hellfire total avoidance seems doable enough to farm lvl 70 enchant mats and boost lvl 58+ rerolls for example (if you raid with your paladin, maybe by phase 2 or 4)

[@arlaeus9491]

Check out my stream on wed/Thur (unless I’m on vacation) where I MT Kara and gruuls. My pally currently rocks avoidance cap with 660 spell power buffed. I’ll get the gear down the road :). Also, you can knock off 4% avoidance from that gear not factoring in kings, so you don’t need every single one of those pieces. That is also against a LV 70 mob, so subtract more avoidance for lower level mobs accordingly.

[@celestiangaming87]

Hahahaha i invented this back in vanilla 15 years ago! How is everyone just now figuring this out? Hahaha

[@dusanpesic7247]

You must be a legend

[@jordantrulen5974]

You can actually get even higher. I was testing building out my version of this a few weeks back, and in Phase 1, based on the calculations you presented, I could get nearly 99% avoidance in Black Morass. I did have to sacrifice a lot of spell power to make it happen, but even so, fantastic how crazy you can get in Phase 1. Here's the link to the build if you are curious: seventyupgrades.com/set/o64hevd22a2FasNSFyBh8J

[@kotmakdos9679]

For normal dungeons/hc the best option is build full avoidance and sacrifice sp? Like full avoidance gems..(defense,dodge..)

[@jordantrulen5974]

If you are trying to build a gearset to solo grind, I feel it's worth sacrificing a some SP in order to reach full avoidance. Ultimately, it comes down to playstyle preference. This build I linked would be a horrible build to run with a group as you'd have trouble keeping threat.