WoWS: Kurfürst - IFHE Secondaries Are Amazing

[@BDNeon]

Take note. Fire damage can be fully repaired. Penetrating HE damage can only be half healed.

[@andyone40]

this has got to be the best video about IFHE I have seen to date. keep up the good work.

[@Aerroon]

Thanks!

[@FARBerserker]

So, does that skill also affect main battery HE from BBs? If so, can german Main Battery BB HD Shells simply autopen at max range and do Citdael Damage to basically anything it hits? If it hits anything at all that is?

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

German BB HE shells already penetrates anything that's not citadel or belt armor. With IFHE you'll be able to penetrate cruiser citadel armor but then again your shells only deal as much damage as a cruiser AP shell. You'll not be penetrating BB belts regardless, let alone citadel or turret armor.

[@Aaradorn]

now all we need to do is grind to a groser sausage

[@Compcube]

105mm secondaries on Bis and FG benefit from IFHE in that they start to damage BB superstructures and high tier DD hulls. Whether that's worth 4 points is anybody's guess.

[@Aerroon]

True, but the problem is that your secondaries aim at the main belt. The only way to make those secondaries hit the superstructure is to be far away enough. You can't approach a ship at a different angle to force that.

[@larsboiversen4015]

Aerroon gggc

[@Blackdeath939]

In a clean szenario where you can sit right behind the ship, it is not worth taking it on Bis/FdG. But in the "wild" where people repair fires and you not always run into ships that move etc, the IFHE build increases your dmg by 50%-75% at least.

[@mik1984]

The problem is you are sacrificing -3% fire chance, so without tangible benefit to penetration, it sort of sucks. There is a different secondary build possible, where you choose DE instead of IF and you get a combined difference of +5% fire chance. (and that build is one skill point cheaper, allowing you to take two 2 level skills instead of one)

[@MrGG-rz3he]

Just an observation that the number of secondary shells landed with manual control pretty much nullifies the nerf to the fire chance. Fire's are still very common. Also relying on them as the primary source of damage with many high tier BB's taking Fire Prevention is tough. I personally do better with IFHE on my Bismarck, and try to stick to range.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

I can remember doing a secondary build for this year's (2017's) Halloween mission. I included IFHE. Let's just say I got an average of over 1k secondary hits per game equal to roughly 300000-500000 damage.

[@GAME4WAR]

My jaw dropped when i saw this 8 mins ago and i still haven't closed my mouth.

[@ThePeperich]

try Adrenalin Rush instead of Expert Marksman. Incredible skill and secondaries benefit from it. Keep up your work :-)

[@Azzi61]

Imagine these secondaries vs the new French tier 10 BB. All the armor is internal with 32mm everywhere on the outside. It'd get wrecked.

[@MozzaBurger88]

This and the RN BBs... They get absolutely rekt by any high DPM CL or BB secondaries. It's poetic justice in the case of the HE cancer RN BBs. My Chapayev would eat those guys alive.

[@SithLordmatthew]

I am liking a full secondary build on my tirpits but they are like stiff jabs I get 20k including the fires from 200 secondary hits. It's obnoxious which is the point they may not be doing real damage but when your getting showered in shells your instinct is to pull away. My kurfurst I run the IFHE full secondary it shoots .5 km further then tirpits with 11.6km range but these are not jabs. They are over hand rights with concrete filled gloves. I often get 300 hits in a game and have seen the secondaries break 90k damage. That's more then most bbs get total in a game and that's not including your main guns. I want to thank you Aerroon for showing me this as its game changing I even had a 263k game in clan battles with the kurfurst and this build. On battleships the kurfurst with IFHE does over 300 damage every single hit. On cruisers and destroyers that number is closer to 600 damage every single hit. With 14 guns a side you get a lot of hits.

[@rrm2305]

Nice demo Aerroon I will try it on PTS. it may work well though i think your correct when you say you have to give up something that's of more benefit

[@The_0G_Chad]

The Bizmarck/Grosse and Sharn already have 37mm/150`s. Basically they both have 50/50 spread of 105mms for rapid fires and 150mm for hurting.

[@AdalbertSchneider_]

As i tald at the start : It will work, and it works ! Great job !

[@nellynelson6574]

Aerron: With IFHE, all secondaries above tier 7 theoretically should be able to penetrate the 32mm bow/belt of the Yamato. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bismarck w/o IFHE: ---105mm / 4 = 26mm (cant penetrate 32mm bow/belt) ---150mm / 4 = 38mm (can penetrate 32mm bow/belt) Bismarck w/ IFHE: ---105mm / 4 = 26mm x 1.3 = 34mm (can penetrate 32mm bow/belt) ---150mm / 4 = 38mm x 1.3 = 49mm (can penetrate 32mm bow/belt)

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

The german 105mm does NOT have the 1/4 pen but normal 1/6 pen. Its kinda sad because german secondaries had their damage nerfed because of the extra pen but 105's dont even have the pen buff but still received the damage nerf

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

@@jos1p_steam Look at my comment. 1 year ago. The german 105's did not have 1/4 pen a year ago. Now they do.

[@tzarkizitski3557]

Great work, Aerroon! Any chance of doing a similar video on the Gneisenau to show the IFHE comparison, like you have with the GK in this one? Cheers!...

[@Aerroon]

Well, the Gneisenau doesn't gain nearly as much from it, because the secondaries without IFHE are good enough to penetrate half the ships she faces anyway.

[@sambalsamurai9672]

awesome insight! as always thanks +1 now i have a reason to continue grind the G. Kurfurst for captian skills!

[@SithLordmatthew]

I can confirm this works I did this about 3 or 4 months ago after seeing this and after getting use to it I would never change back. My secondaries on my Kurfurst got buffed recently and now shoot 11.5 km. They shred all Japanese and American ships. I have had games with 67000 damage from secondaries with out a single fire. It is the cruelest trick by the time they realize they are in trouble in their bow in stance they are screwed. I often pin a Yamato to immobility with the secondaries. He wont come forward he can't go back as I can out run him and to try to turn would invite the main guns to fire on his side at a range the kurfurst doesn't miss at. All the while I am angled and offering him no real target to shoot at so I engage other ships to my sides with the main guns while I my secondaries chew up the yamato or Montana or any cruiser that froze in that position. You don't get to do stealth or damage or AA builds with this it is really expensive. But if you enjoy close in fights under 12 km and can be disciplined enough to respect that and make sure you always are angling to the threats from all sides then this works great.

[@eddievanhalenhoward]

Might have to give this a go. I love to brawl in my BBS. I might not make it to the end of the game. But man its fun taking on Yammys and watching them melt. Or when im in my Monty and you get that right angle on a enemy and your American AP just rips in.

[@Syhon62]

this is absolute bonkers, definitely giving it a try once I acquire the kurfurst.

[@kevinhunter7581]

KuroKanden not sure it's worth it imo. I think adrenaline rush and superintendent is a better way to go. extra heals and adrenaline rush will eventually work on secondaries so they'll shoot faster

[@MrJackZhan]

Shooting faster doesn't help when they don't pen and just do zero damage, though.

[@kevinhunter7581]

Jack Zhan true... grr I wish I had a high enough captain to test it!

[@thomasbernecky2078]

An excellent explanation, Aerroon. I'm still not clear on why the Bismark and Friedrich don't get the benefit like the GN and the GK? Just unlocked the FDG so this is an apt question.

[@prisregil]

So by using a Inertia fuse on HE (as in they dont explode on contact but penetrate) shouldnt they bounce if the angle is to steep..... Like shooting at a BB from the front

[@FighterofGD]

I don't understand why only the Großer Kurfürst and the Gneisenau are profiting from this skill. Because of the 128mm secondary guns? What's with the 150mm guns from Bismarck, Friedrich and Tirpitz? They are also shooting HE shells. Or doesn't this skill work for this caliber?

[@SithLordmatthew]

the 150mm guns on that chart clearly penetrate more then the 128mm guns but on those other ships they have a mix of guns that includes a lot of 105mm. The128mms can pen 40 mm bow armor according to that chart in the vid the 105mms top at 23 mm penetration and they repersent the bulk of the guns on most of those bbs so they can't hurt the 32 mm bow armor on most bbs. The 150s on those ships can pen 48 mm but there are too few of them. So on the Gneisenau she has 11 turrets of 128 and 6 of which can aim on any side so 12 guns ripping into the bow armor. The Kurfurst has 20 128s and 8 150s so she will shred a bow since all of that over pens 32 mm with ifhe.

[@MalaysiaCat57]

will konigsberg and nurnberg benefit from this IFHE thing ?

[@karasuma236]

thanks for the info, I will have this ship in 2 days

[@jg4_skylon848]

So, only secondary guns which are only available on the BBs get caliber 4 instead of caliber/6. And Gneisenau and Currywurst are the only BBs who have secondary guns which are not used on any other CA/DD?

[@lenny567l]

german bbs get caliber 4

[@The_0G_Chad]

Bizmarck and Sharn and Grosse have a mix of 105mm and 150mm german guns. 150mms already pen BB 32mm hull with 37mm and 105mms cannot reach 32mm so it isnt worth it.

[@yoraul5157]

How is that math of yours? 105 mm on Bismarck can pen 26.25mm + IFHE 30% = 34.075 mm so it can pen 32mm. That is if it's divided by 4 and not by 6 like everbody say it is on german BBS.

[@uglybastard4810]

yo raul no, 105 has 18 mm penetration, it doesn't have 1/4 caliber bonus, just 1/6. It looks kinda strange, WG make 1/4 bonus for German ships, but 105 has only 1/6, I think they did it because 105 with 1/4 is OP

[@jebes909090]

105 with IFHE would have a penetration of 22.5 give or take a few .1's.

[@hatework4282]

Very informative, thank you.

[@Aaradorn]

one billion elite commander exp and 2090 premium days. Holy sh*t

[@Aerroon]

It's a press account.

[@Aaradorn]

Aerroon allright. I was trying to calculate the costs. was starting to get a bit high xD

[@jason41a]

why does it only work on Genisenau and Kurfurst and nont Bismarck?

[@juansanchez6096]

Aerroon, could u please show the Grover kurfurst's 420 mm guns vs 406mm?

[@StaK_1980]

What about Scharnhorst and Tirpitz??

[@Active0815]

I thought the german cruisers did also get the /4 instead of /6 HE penetration in one of the newer patches. Is this wrong?

[@Alkriaan]

Just in case you haven’t figured it out yet, this video is at least 8 months older than your comment. The HE penetration buff to German cruisers was introduced later.

[@IJAY2509]

Why u dont Pick Basic Fire Training? Is the Build not more Deadly with more dps on secondarys ?

[@lawdawg1942]

I took BFT off my build as well. The 120's go from 3s to 2.9s and the 150's go from 7.1 to 6.4 or so. Not worth 3 points in my opinion.

[@malmel2872]

all well and good, but when you give broadside to a Yamato like that you are dead after 2 salvos, whats the actual use of this?

[@despinoza6205]

Thank you. That's quite a demonstration.

[@jonasnee]

you mentioned gneisen whatabout scharnthorst? also this means you can citadel pen UK CLs with your 400 mm guns HE

[@MrJackZhan]

Well but for CLs AP works much better so it's not really useful.

[@The_0G_Chad]

Sharn gets Bizmarcks gun layout with 105/150mm mix. 150s alrady have BB killing power with 37mm HE pen stock and the 105mms are just to start fires. Sharn actually has the most devastating secondaries in its tier bar none. I have mine to 7.6 km range and with 6km torps + secondaries I murder everything, esp things like T9 IJN and US BB that wait to long to overpen my bow.

[@turbocommando688]

Does this still work?

[@boyerwulf66]

Im a little confused. Iku's data mined reddit post shows the German 150mm already penetrates the 32 mm bow armor without IFHE. So is all this additional damage coming from the 128mm that is on the Kurfurst, which goes from 31 to 40.3 penetration from IFHE?

[@Aerroon]

Yes, it's coming from the 128mm ones. There are more of them and they fire faster. The 150mm guns have a combined DPM of 108,800, but the 128mm guns have 360,000. Of course you only fire one side, but the difference is still huge.

[@Sonlirain]

As of the IFHE rework GK no longer needs IFHE to penetrate 32 mm armor. The 128 mm guns do it out of the box.

[@Joshmakey12]

How do you spectate like that in battle?

[@marcl.1346]

Is this still the case and relevant? Not patched out yet?

[@abblebble5106]

how u do dat ting in 0:53

[@Aerroon]

Press right ctrl + right shift + backspace. Now move around with arrow keys.

[@thebigwildfire2636]

what email address do i send replays to for aeroon? (im just a normal subscriber)

[@rudysworldof7935]

how do you control the IA secondaries? normal they open within range, now you control them to shoot or not?

[@vmarek98]

nope.

[@rudysworldof7935]

so what is happening form 3:11 to 3:17?!

[@repaleonhalo9754]

if you have manual secondary captain skill.. you have to hold ctrl and click on target or else it wont fire.. also works on airplanes to get 30% damage buff

[@fencefriend]

The test would have been even better if the NON IFHE Kurfurst had demolition expert ...which is better?

[@DubyaD04]

I might have to try that out. Thanks Aerroon. :) Did you say this would work on the Gneisenau too?

[@Aerroon]

Yes, it does, but you don't need it as much on the Gneisenau. B hull Gneisenau's secondaries penetrate 25mm of armor already, so unless you're trying to secondary T8+ ships it won't matter.

[@yamazakinozaki9804]

does it work on tirpitz? or maybe not?

[@thomasbernecky2078]

I would check this out in Test 6,4,1 but I have squandered my doubloons, its my first time in Test and I like it very much. Too bad you can't buy doubloons in PTC.

[@phongnamhai]

build yamato secondary with APHE pls

[@edward9701]

Does it work for the Scharnhorst too if it works for the Gneisenau?

[@Aerroon]

From what I can understand, no.

[@TheRebellionMan]

Why is it that this doesnt apply to the Bismarck and Grosse?

[@lenny567l]

they have 105s not 128s

[@The_0G_Chad]

No, they have 105`s and 150s. 150 already do what this video does but its only 50% of the guns.

[@marvin25m]

lol give it a like or dislike. aerroon doesn't give a shit , I like that

[@ukmachinehead]

I still got no idea if i should put this on my Kurfürst :-p

[@Abukard]

So why i get no Penetration with Yamato 460mm AP on Chaba's bow 5km? :D at least several times -.-

[@Panservogn]

Abukard overpen?

[@Abukard]

LightMetroStar nope Rebounds...

[@Aerroon]

You bounce. HE explodes on contract, AP does not.

[@Abukard]

Aerroon a round 460mm with 1,5 tons weight bounces on a angled 50mm plate :( But these IFHE will penetrate the the 32mm deckarmour on the Yamato :D

[@Elgar7022]

You'd be surprised how well armor can bounce a round, regardless of size. It's all physics.

[@landengreene9965]

can i just ask i just got world of warships and am at the wyoming should i keep going to montana or change to diffrent nation like ive said before montana is and always will be my favorite ship of any time and country,but i want to know if its worth it. and if i buy arizona could i still use it to grind to monty its just that staying low teir is kinda boring i would love to start from north carolina then go up from there and be able to enjoy what im playing thats my only problem i would like to play arizona,but i dont want to buy it to just play it but also still use it to jump up 2 teirs,btw keep up the great videos u deserve more subs.

[@Elgar7022]

All T10 Battleships are worth it, as all of them are good at different things. Montana tends to be a little less focused than the Kurfurst and Yamato, and more versatile. Generally, I have an easier time deleting people in Montana than I do in Kurfurst (because dispersion likes me more on Monty), and the 406mm guns don't overpen as often as 420s and 450s

[@landengreene9965]

***** thanks for helping me out

[@MrJohanBD]

Landen Greene Just work your way up if you skipped up several tiers you'd just become one of those damned Tirpitz players that have no chance against higher tier players and only become a burden. And if it's worth it? Well idk do you like playing US battleships? Then yes. I didn't and found the Jap and German ships to be more fun tho. Also another tip just playing the same nation same ship game after game may burn you out. Absolutely recommend you pick up ships of other types or from other nations to enjoy on the side. Other wise the game tends to get rather stale

[@Elgar7022]

I have to agree with TheAmity. Definitely do not want to skip up tiers, especially before you get your first Tier X ship. The grinding prior to it is how you learn to play at a Tier X level, since aim, angling, and predicting where/when DD's may strike is crucial to your performance in the upper tiers. Plus, once you sink, you can back out to port and hop into another ship. I would definitely recommend playing another ship line whilst your Battleship is in battle. That way, you maximize your time, and you even learn another ship line. (which would help you play against them in your main Battleship).

[@landengreene9965]

Elgar7022 i just want to skip to the nc because i would like to play a ship i know more about and enjoy playing i dont want to skip to teir 10 just to a ship i enjoy. not saying the other ships are trash but i just dont know to much about them.

[@TheLuchonator]

IFHE befenits Yamato secondaries?

[@thefirstarkangel5524]

great video

[@dawidmorgos3193]

You used secondary module at second slot?

[@Aerroon]

Sure (secondary range module). I don't recommend using secondary reload module though - I think you're better off doing something for the main batteries.

[@kerotomas1]

The problem with the Kurfürst's secondaries is that the dps overall is quite garbage, the Yamato has about 50% more dps over GK secs, hell even the Montana has more, so imo even with the IFHE GK build, the Yamato can still brute force through the GK with secs and also lolpen the ship with main guns. On a side note i built my Yammy for secondaries coupled with concealment expert for ninja vanish/ambush and getting almost inside sec range when spotted.

[@morcogbr]

Tamás Kerecsényi Yamato and Montana have useless ap secondaries

[@kerotomas1]

morcogbr montana only has he secs dunno what are you smoking, amd yammy only has 2 155mm ap sec turrets and those have a very little impact in teh yammy's sec dps, also it can pen the gk's huge superstructure easily

[@tomiprofi]

Why people keep underestimateing Monty's secundarys? They are machine guns with high fire rate.

[@The_0G_Chad]

Compared to German 105mms that spit 3 sev reloads they nerfed the US guns to hell at 5.5 or 6 secs and they are only 127mm with th 1/6th pen rule, meaning 21mm HE pen. The 128mm Germans get 31mm

[@aguywhodoesntexist]

Montana secondary reload is still 4 secs last I checked.

[@richieThach]

What about the 150 mms?

[@lenny567l]

it works on them too not the 105mm

[@The_0G_Chad]

150 already has 37mm pen so no need.

[@zam023]

Aerron, try Mogami with RPF + Torp Detection + Concealment Expert commander skill. It makes Mogami a very effective DD hunter. Thats what I did with my Mogami in the latest update. I have a 17 point commander.

[@HYEOL]

I will play this game in 10 years when finally angle matters on armor ;)

[@stevewonder10]

what about scharnhorst

[@Azucai-YT]

Hi Aerroon, does IFHE works with Yamato Secondary Turrents to? Yamato deals a bit more Damage as Kurfürst i think. also the reload time is better. n1 grettings

[@greenfingernaildirt356]

Azucai he clearly states: *THIS APPLIES ONLY TO GERMAN BATTLESHIPS*

[@Azucai-YT]

:(

[@greenfingernaildirt356]

Azucai and it doesnt matter anyway german 128 habe 4.3 secs reload while yamatos have around 7 secs and yamatos 155mm fire AP

[@Azucai-YT]

Yama have 6x 127HE @ 5 sek reload, 6x 127HE @ 6 sek reload and 2x 155AP @12 sek reload. 12 HE Secondary. I must test it. without IFHE the 127mm have 21mm Pen and with IFHE they pushed to 27mm. Most CA/CL have 20-30mm Armor. I think it can helps to like by Kurfürst IFHE. Kurfürst 128mm Secondarys have 5 sek reload without Moduls and Cäptn skill and the 150mm HE 7,5 sec reload

[@greenfingernaildirt356]

Azucai are you german? Cause you wrote seconds with a "k" like "sekunde" and you used äöü letters

[@DJKenTuckyOfficial]

What does IFHE mean? Improved firepower HE?

[@eddycolangelo]

Inertia Fuse HE

[@knesrevi]

TheSp3ctr3 The fuse has a delay so the round will pen more before it blows up.

[@EinApoStein]

still correct?

[@Makrokosmos]

fire prevention is silly. go count: how often are you actually on fire with more than 2 fires?

[@Aerroon]

Actually the reason why Fire Prevention is amazing is that it combines the two middle sections. Those are the two sections most likely to be set on fire.

[@xflamousz]

Makrokosmos if you are trying not set on fire a by more than one section your probably THAT GUY sniping at 22km with a bismarck and spotter plane.

[@xflamousz]

Makrokosmos however I actually do not go for fire prevention as well as it was nerfed in the way that its 4 points now and I think thats too expensive.

[@kevinhunter7581]

I thought about fire prevention and heap, but they're too expensive imo. thinking pm, em, bft, aft, manual secondaries, superintendent, and ar as my build. adrenaline rush will eventually work on secondaries so they'll shoot faster plus my main guns get the boost too.

[@Makrokosmos]

What the blabbering fck are you even on about? I said that i have yet to experience being regualrly on fire on more than 2-3 spots for prolonged lenghts of time. My kurfürst is always up in the thick. I can not say that iam regularly on fire in 4 spots so this skill is entirely pointless. You would b better off buying the 2 cooldown reduction skills at tier 2.

[@TremereTT]

Is this still a thing ?

[@sigvekjnny8380]

Why havent I seen this before!

[@BigBoss-iu1fc]

Is this still working in 2018 ?

[@Aerroon]

Sure, but I don't recommend doing this build.

[@BigBoss-iu1fc]

Well it is à special built but it remains interesting anyway lol

[@dOSTOV3L]

Good vid

[@APROBONG]

only german bb, right? and all tier?

[@1_2_die2]

Unfortunately there are no 120mm secondary guns on german BBs, Gneisenau and higher. There are 105mm, 150mm and G. Kurfürst only 128mm - so whats your point with your math? Why Bismarck and Friedrich shouldn't benefit from IFHE, if they are all use the same guns/calibres like Gneisenau and Kurfürst? You didn't explain this miracle! [btw Jingles did it]

[@vecioalpin8998]

Now I understand Why in close quarter I got so much damage!!

[@edfrench6095]

is IFHE still viable after a year an a few months, or did they nerf it for so called balance reasons?

[@Mun11691]

still viable, especially GK

[@ravissary79]

I use this on Yamato, and though it doesn't benefit from the 1/4 rule, it does seem to help. What I want to know is: is it worth it for the new Frenchies? their elite premium captain gets a massively buffed expert Marksman AND Adrenaline Rush. As such I'm running both skills, but this sacrifices 1 t4 skill in lieu of 2 t 2 skills and 2 t3 skills. Would it be worth it to ditch expert marksman and instead go with IFHE and a full secondary build? The French secondaries have even better range than the germans, have comparable reload times and comparable numbers of guns. But I doubt they get the 1/4 pen rule.

[@TheDOWfan]

That's fucking insane

[@techstepman]

wow this will give seal clubbing opportunities for tier 10! yammy! i'll just go ahead and apply this!

[@basmanus]

The fact is that Gneisenau and Kurfurst have 128mm and the rest not....

[@zam023]

So when did WG become a German company? LOL

[@saphyr7868]

problem is when playing with this built i guees you show much broadside

[@TheReflexAction]

how can u play with bot like this

[@Aerroon]

Next to the "Battle" button there is an arrow. Click it and then select "Training Battle"

[@BugattiONE666]

so it doesn't help on Yamato, dammit,

[@Aerroon]

It definitely does not. But even on Kurfürst I would not recommend this build.

[@mesolithic]

I think this is a little OP for the Große Kurfürst

[@Aerroon]

I think it's a trade off.

[@snagger28]

Alan Chen OP? Lol plz... Because 199m of dispersion on the amagi at max range isn't op? (I don't know the exact dispersion of the yamato so that's why i said Amagi. But i know it is reaaaaly good). Großer Kürfurst, Friederich and Bismarck can't hit shit above 15km. At least they are really good at close range. Every line has their speciality; IJN BBs are good at long range while they are borderhugging and not tanking any for the team, USA's at medium range by only showing their bow and eating 3m damage without dying; Germans's at close range with they're turtleback and secundaries save them. The only thing is wile the others are okay or even good at close range and performs really well at long, German bbs are just abyssal at long range. So it is not "OP". It is a nice upgrade to a good point of the ship.

[@krostouin]

German BB (tier 9 & 10) are very efficient at mid range as well. Protected citadel, glorious secondaries, good speed. Meh, they are really hard to kill. And long range engagement is a lose lose situation, you always have to get close to play in team. So yes, OP imo too. WG will nerf them in 6 months, when the stats will be over the top.

[@xflamousz]

the yamato is the most accurate bb with 276m (254ish with acc mod) dispersion at 26.6km

[@xflamousz]

also yes gk is kinda eh at long range but even at 20km I take the shot as you got 12 shells and if you throw enough shit at them something sticks. I actually fairly often get citadels or at least good pen dmg at long range vs anything but angled bbs (which should be obvious) the. guns even have the pen to citadel yamato at 20km unlike montana which ususally gets 7 shatters and one pen for 4.4k on a broadsiding yammy at 20km

[@Aaradorn]

notification squad here

[@Aerroon]

Hohoho!

[@Dysphoricsmile]

I have already been totally wrecked without ANY chance in my Mogami when a DD I was chasing smoked up and went behind an island, then all of a sudden 100s of shells were raining down on me with incredible accuracy. I got lit on fire twice in less than a minute, put those out and immediately got lit up 4 more times, and the Secondary shells were dealing HEAVY damage! These German Secondaries are REALLY OP! I hope WG fixes this shit... Nothing fun or engaging, or even dynamic about ctrl clicking someone, and just letting them get killed automatically. Seriously, this Bismarck didn't even fire his main guns at me, using those on a friendly BB, whilst his secondaries managed to drain me from 95% HP to 0% within no more than 3 minutes. There was literally nothing I could DO! I even sent torpedoes at him just as I knew I was going to die mometarily, but he dodged them with ease, cause HYDRO! I had NO COUNTER - I desperately tried to run away from detection or secondary range, but Bismarck is ALMOST as fast as Mogami, and I only saw him once he popped up about 8km away out of that DD smoke. I ran, perfectly neutral until the last moment where I knew my only chance at anything was to launch some torpedoes because with 4 fires on 15k HP and 50 odd seconds left before damage control was available again. Oh, and yes IFHE DOES benefit Bismarck A LOT! The /4 caliber rule is still true, and that gives those 105s FAR more than enough to pen every part of a cruiser apart from the citadel belt anyway. FIX THIS CRAP WARGAMING!

[@exaltdragon]

Use your double catapult fighters, you can spot BBs behind islands from 16km or more away even if they have concealment expert. Cruiser catapult fighters are amazing this patch. I mean, if you were chasing a DD, you'd better have your catapult fighters in the air already to spot torps and maintain vision over smoke. With Mogami's excellent 9.3km top concealment you really shouldn't be getting ambushed by BBs.

[@Elgar7022]

*raises hand* Why were you that close to a German Battleship? PS: IFHE does not help Bismarck at all.

[@wombot2406]

DysphoricSmile played poorly, got punished. dont whine about your mistakes

[@flounder2760]

he didnt say the ship that killed him had ifhe

[@xflamousz]

as nice as the idea is I honestly do not think its worth it I went with direction center, preventive maintanace, expert marksman, high alert, adrenaline rush, superintendent, aft and manual secondaries

[@xflamousz]

as In my opinion yes kurfürst is a amazing brawler and I love getting my secondaries to work but I think gerting as close as you need to really make this shine is not good idea as your manouverability is atrocious.

[@Aerroon]

Preventative maintenance is against things like your rudder it engine being knocked out. It doesn't help you protect AA or secondary guns.

[@xflamousz]

Hm ok I guess ill go for that very first thing in the row. Ty for letting me know

[@bruhmana]

They nerfed secondaries

[@Tehlongcat]

Yeah, cus those ships REALLY needed a buff, right? *Headdesk*

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

They need a buff the GK really needs 2 or 3 extra kilometers of range Edit: on the main guns would be broken on secondaries

[@tommyscaletta]

First one to watch the whole video.

[@Aerroon]

I think that would be me though.

[@tommyscaletta]

First *subscriber* to Watch the whole video

[@Aerroon]

I think that would still be me though.

[@tommyscaletta]

You are subscribed to yourself? Holy shit, nice YT hack

[@yester8039]

IFHE should not work on secondary guns

[@Aerroon]

Perhaps, or perhaps they should not have secondaries be divided by 4 on German BBs. Although I do think this is an interesting thing. I would actually just like to see other BBs getting a similar treatment on their secondaries. This could help with the bow camping stuff.

[@Wellituu]

what is IFHE ?

[@hitoshisawa8479]

i feel like its unfair in a way

[@Aerroon]

Well, at range it's not nearly as effective as it is here, but it does hurt US battleships proportionally more.

[@hitoshisawa8479]

Aerroon i mean yamatos armor belt is not the 410mm it was they changed it to 390mm i feel like they should add it back also they 57mm of bow armor

[@The_0G_Chad]

Then please nerf the shit out of there gun range unless they use plane spotters like real life. Anything more than 15km and the Yammy loses 80% accuracy. Seriously though, Yammy already is OP as shit in good hands. And it balances with GKF. Its the monty that is hurting completely. Least accurate, least Alpha, easiest to Cit, and the list goes on and on.

[@hitoshisawa8479]

No down buf to yamato its the only ship that is not historically accurate in game because of the debuff of its historical 410mm armor that is now 390mm it needs to be fixed so it cann be top dog and king like it realy was

[@Elgar7022]

Yes! Make Yamato historically accurate, that way, I can watch as the ship misses every single round it fires. :) (Yamato couldn't hit the broadside of a ship anything farther than 10km... so... you don't want historically accurate Yamato.)

[@jebes909090]

secondaries 17k damage, main 0 damage :D :D :D oh those german mains.

[@YC-ls4yx]

more german bb buffs. lol.

[@Gotyounowpunk]

Hope alot of potatos watch this video and waste points. I see alot of people running secondary builds and if you are out side of 6km it's pretty much a joke. If you want no arch then your going to need to be 3km or less. So good luck!

[@Traunman]

you know that Großer Kurfürst has secondaries that can reach up to 10,6km of range, right?

[@Aerroon]

Manuel, his point is that this is not as effective at long range because the secondaries will fall onto the superstructure area (so you don't gain much from this). But it will devastate US battleships of all tiers.

[@Traunman]

hm... seeing this from that point of view it makes a bit more sense. thanks for explaining that. i have to admit: as a DD player (Fletcher and Z-52) i have not that much of insight on BBs

[@bennikdk_4927]

total ineffektiv...............

[@kukkahattutati1237]

first

[@tommyscaletta]

...one to comment.

[@deejayGOLDEE]

crazy,,,he speaks like freak. for all of that you cann use 1 sentence..but he speaks like crazy

[@Leptospirosi]

Good job!

[@frankmg4250]

What is IFHE?

[@Dragunov302]

What is IFHE?