Aviation expert provides insight on stowaway survival after bodies found on JetBlue flight at FLL

[@GH-oi2jf]

Note that the plane started its day in Jamaica, not New York.

[@minhnguyen-mk9om]

yeah but i am wondering dont they do a walk around on every preflight check? hmmm

[@Paiadakine]

@@minhnguyen-mk9om You would think so. But NY airport workers are pretty lazy. Once the identity of the stowaways are determined, we'll know if my description of NY workers is correct.

[@08turboSS]

Theyre supposed to check in each wheel well during walk around, however there is usually a hour before push back.

[@dubsounds]

If it's possible that they "boarded" in Jamaica as you alluded, Then, it raises even more questions. It is reasonable to assume that the landing gears were down at JFK.....for quite a while. During which routing maintenance checks were performed

[@moemoenyc]

Jamaica New York in Queens is where JFK is

[@notanomad9320]

What would prevent someone putting a bomb in a wheel well? Shouldn't that be a higher priority?

[@jmd12127]

🎯

[@EhFokes]

FBI has entered the chat…

[@BubbaZanetti-p7w]

@@EhFokes We are peaceful, teehee.

[@kakerosa5466]

Amen🙄

[@Chicaychico88]

Exactly, no security Cameras Anyone can walk in and out of that areas. No good for passenger security

[@ronaldoago-go5907]

Meanwhile... Take off your shoes and no liquids over 3oz.

[@senianns9522]

'Where there's a wheel , there's a way'?

[@CarlYoungII]

😂😂😂 Omg that's creative. You need to trademark that one.

[@charlesmcintyre8142]

so at 20% they had wheel chance of surviving

[@alvinjoseph8724]

A way to your Darwin award.

[@kishanbalkaran566]

Lack of security and people wit bad intentions are watching how easily fools are boarding planes

[@markmalasics3413]

Have you ever been on a plane, or even in the terminal, and looked out the window to watch the people working on the tarmac? They are just bodies to do the work, and most look like they were just released from jail last week. Guaranteed that one of those ground workers helped to sneak the poor victims (sarcasm intended) to the plane and into the wheel well. It's definitely an inside job amongst what are essentially DEI hires.

[@nightflight1454]

They didn't go though the terminal. The likely got over or though the perimeter fence and snuck up on to the flightline

[@captainmichael787]

the survivability is literally 0 you would have 0 oxygen and -50 Fahrenheit temperatures

[@keithklein4313]

How much oxygen is there at 40,000 feet?

[@Deadassbruhfrfr]

​@@keithklein4313bout tree fiddy

[@captainmichael787]

@ no where near enough to survive hypoxia sets in at 13000

[@keithklein4313]

@@captainmichael787 there’s plenty of oxygen at 40k. The same amount that you would measure at sea level

[@keithklein4313]

@@captainmichael787 and that’s incorrect, hypoxia sets in at different altitudes based on the circumstances. There’s communities out there thriving at 13,000 feet MSL

[@jmd12127]

The flight originated in JFK. The news report shows video of Broward County Police (in Florida) outside the airport, while saying "the security here has been breached." No. The security was breached at JFK.

[@Furball2k]

Didn't this just happen on a United fright from Chicago to Hawaii like 2 weeks ago?!?!

[@XYRN02]

Yes

[@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN]

The plane came from South America first as I understand it.

[@timothydempsey3763]

Tiki Tok video on how to gain access, one billion views

[@kendallevans4079]

Might be a new class of service: "worse-than-basic-economy".....

[@timothydempsey3763]

@kendallevans4079 plugs the hole of Spirits bankruptcy

[@leelunk8235]

MOUNT EVEREST IS 29000 FT ALTITUDE. A PLANE IS 35000 FT. U DO MATH

[@americanbeauty4015]

what point are you trying to make? Both altitudes don't carry enough oxygen for safe survival

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

​@@americanbeauty4015 Also can't acclimate that fast. Into Thin Air mentions WEEKS of doing that for Everest. Great book

[@markl4593]

Hey there professor - his point is painfully obvious. If you can’t survive Mount Everest at 29,000 ft, you certainly can’t survive at 35,000 ft.

[@timothydempsey3763]

Bet you a nickel, A sherpa could of made it

[@leelunk8235]

@timothydempsey3763 SHERPAS HAVE DIED ALSO ON EVEREST

[@RetNemmoc555]

The reporter stepped up onto a landing gear door, putting her foot right where it says, in bold red letters, "NO STEP."

[@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN]

Oh no, that plane is doomed

[@chiadika]

that plane is decommissioned. there's literally no engines on it

[@kendallevans4079]

When you're that cute, you get away with much!

[@CCalamity-dv1ll]

Not getting crushed when the landing gear comes up... 20%. Not falling out when the gear comes down... another 20%. Not dying due to lack of heat or oxygen... 40%. Making it safely to your destination... Priceless.

[@CCalamity-dv1ll]

Yep, I know I didn't use percentages carefully. Doubt there were any real statistics behind that guy's breakdown either.

[@leelunk8235]

UR MATH SUCKS PRICELESS

[@426thAirborne]

😅😅😅

[@leelunk8235]

@@CCalamity-dv1ll BAD MATH PRICELESS

[@Cocora22]

sick, ..........................but true😂😂😂😂

[@ForestNinjaZero]

Survival possibility is definitely not 20% in January! ‼

[@oliverheaviside2539]

Not ever, any season. It is -50 degrees at 38,000 feet.

[@ForestNinjaZero]

@@oliverheaviside2539 Right, but during this season, when the sun is farthest from earth, stow-aways are already hypothermic when they climb into the wheel well. Some have actually survived previously, during warm months.

[@1234crevis]

No oxygen at that height

[@dubsounds]

@@ForestNinjaZero Yes they have survived

[@airtechmech6681]

@@ForestNinjaZero It is always very cold at altitude. -40to -70F

[@Supernaut2000]

So can someone tell me exactly WHY do we have airport security, TSA, etc. ?? Why bother.

[@rakeshpersaud5885]

Or someone get paid somewhere along the line....😂😂😂😢😢😢

[@leelunk8235]

TSA DEALS WITH WEAPONS GOING INTO STERILE CHECKPOINT. POLICE DEAL WITH STOWAWAY HUMANS

[@nr3059]

This is inside US authorities, the airplane originated from Jamaica in her route

[@maestoso47]

Do you not understand TSA is for passengers?

[@Supernaut2000]

@@maestoso47 Ah finally, an EXPERT has entered the discussion.

[@davidt1441]

They had that happen here at dtw airport yrs ago guy was a frozen block of ice they used glycerine to thaw him a bit before removing i remember because we cleaned up the mess afterwards

[@captain-poppleton]

I did eventually recover but every time I sneeze I can still taste the glycerine.

[@patrickshaw8595]

Good old deicing fluid, aka antifreeze.

[@sizzler2462]

I have this image of eyes moving inside a block of ice

[@Wayne--O]

Those Expedia deals need a bit more scrutiny.

[@santiagobenites]

Apparently Expedia uses the code WW for those discount tickets, for wheel well.

[@nr3059]

No wonder the bad reviews

[@anthonykobiec8569]

Ultra economy seating!

[@RoxanneGutierrez010]

You cold 😂

[@luisvelez-s1j]

One way trip

[@Menstral]

RyanAir ultra discount

[@nr3059]

There are no seats, you hang on a thin line of reality ..

[@mikethemagnificent6631]

Yep , no movie or stale peanuts.

[@mambi74]

20% survival rate source: trust me bro

[@JK-lp6uw]

Duh

[@Danny-oi8yl]

That's very optimistic what with the air temperature at 35,000 feet above sea level being around -65f and very low o2 levels (20% of what the o2 levels are at sea level) the chance of dying is pretty much 100%

[@mk92624]

@@Danny-oi8yl..not pretty much 100%….it is 100%

[@a564-c3q]

​@@mk92624 Years ago I've seen a report about a guy surviving it. He was shown in a very brief interview and they said he recovered, but I suspect he suffered some degree of permanent brain damage.

[@cyclemadness]

Street view the Kingston Jamica Airport. Theres a road right next to the end of the runway. There's and 8 foot chainlink fence there with razor wire on the top. There are many places where the razor wire has fallen down or been torn down.

[@gomez2724]

37yr retired aircraft maintenance technician. Just something funny, when she climbs up on the landing gear door, there is supposed to be a placard there warning, "NO STEP" haha.

[@warfarenotwarfair5655]

Most of these uneducated foreigners can't read English but apparently we need them for their technical skills and innovation 🤣

[@captainmichael787]

One of the best underrated careers hats off to you

[@BobanVagene]

It’s a Miami maintenance shop. Her stepping on the door is the least of that plane’s issues.

[@warfarenotwarfair5655]

@@gomez2724 These dreamers were the ones we needed, intelligent and innovative 🤣

[@T00LF00L]

It's there.. She steps right on it

[@johnmayerislovee]

The attorney is only upset as there's no one to sue.

[@DJWizmuzk]

😀😀

[@kendallevans4079]

Naw....,there is always a family member lurking about when the chance of a payday is at hand

[@MikeyMon-y9n]

A lot of air strips are right next to the sea shore I wonder how many have fallen out into the ocean.

[@RE4LW4LL4CE]

I wonder how many working brain cells you have

[@leonidlukashevsky6487]

How those 2 get there??? What if those were a suiside bombers???

[@jamesm568]

You can climb the fence at any airport and if you're smart enough you can evade all security.

[@andrewczski1969]

Sometime, they likely will be. But since this isn't America anymore.....

[@kishanbalkaran566]

Yes I was trying to say that but fbi may roll up wen talking the truth

[@pigdroppings]

Sneaking into the US from Jamaica.....they don't realize the danger

[@adden2242]

They got crushed..no bombs

[@waverider227]

This is crazy but i remember even crazier a guy in the 1960s stowed away in the wheel well of an airline from Cuba to Spain and miraculously he survived but barely.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Is she being held against her will and sending morse code? Lots and lots of blinking.

[@w3vjp568]

I translated the Morse code: “We’ve been trying to contact you about your car’s extended warranty…”

[@thumperjdm]

There's no breathable oxygen up at commercial-flight altitudes, and the temperature is deep into negative numbers. Unsurvivable.

[@roxximusik8958]

Most probably, depending upon a number of factor including the duration of flight.

[@scotonfire1]

1st class, 2nd class, and now 3rd world seating.

[@johno9507]

Well at least they didnt try sitting on the outside like the Afghans did.

[@vgrof2315]

One body was found in the wheel well on a plane that landed on Maui recently. These reporters imply that the Fort Lauderdale incident was the first time ever that such a thing happened. News reporting on aviation is consistently terrible.

[@johnnygavin3654]

No one noticed a couple of people wandering around the runway? Good thing they didn't start shooting into the plane when it took off. Crazy world.

[@markmalasics3413]

Have you ever been on a plane, or even in the terminal, and looked out the window to watch the people working on the tarmac? They are just bodies to do the work, and most look like they were just released from jail last week. Guaranteed that one of those ground workers helped to sneak the poor victims (sarcasm intended) to the plane and into the wheel well. It's definitely an inside job amongst what are essentially DEI hires.

[@justing42]

@@markmalasics3413copy and paste much?

[@Berserker006]

If you ever hear the question are people really this dumb? The answer is always yes.

[@Patrick-yh5yd]

It hap[ened in Jamaica

[@5664788]

I know that now,......they weren't burnt,....they was just real black

[@waybee100]

jamaking me crazy

[@user-dc6ut5uu3t]

JFK Airport is located in the Jamaica neighborhood of Queens, NYC.

[@infinidominion]

New York has a Jamaica and that's where this started

[@Davekelly35]

It didn’t hapoened in the country of Jamaica smfh.

[@kevinc1315]

This isn't the first time this has happened. Stupid people looking for free flights.

[@nr3059]

Not for the cost but to migrate .. a much higher cost than travel fee. RIP

[@kevinc1315]

Commercial airlines fly at an elevation of 30,000 to 42,000 feet. It is highly recommended to use oxygen when above 10,000 feet for moderate lengths of time or above. At that altitude, it is also very cold, even during summer time. If you don't pass out from a lack of oxygen, the cold will often kill you unless you are properly geared for it.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

​@@kevinc1315 I don't see how you could be. It's VERY, VERY cold, as I understand it. And I live in a snow state where it's been 15-20F a good part of this week.

[@wsmith3849]

They strip search you inside the terminal but evidently outside you can do whatever.

[@Slithey7433]

Biggest boondoggle. TSA is essentially a hire the handicapped program.

[@GaryPugh-h3q]

I would think : as the well doors open on final would not the bodies just fall out 8 miles from the runway ? 😊

[@nebulax2695]

Why would you put a smile emoji after asking that?

[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

Thats where they usually wind up.

[@5664788]

No you disrespectful jerk,.....they were so stiff from freezing they got lodged between the landing gear,..........& the rumor of poison honey roasted peanut packs? false

[@johnp139]

Not if they were frozen to the wheel bay.

[@jamesm568]

Depends on the design of the wheel well.

[@vc-cw1yp]

Why the drama? Just state what happened. IMHO

[@TwinkieGurlMeowMeow]

What I don’t get is how not no one especially ramp agents not see anybody getting in the wheel well, during work conditions? 🤔

[@justing42]

because rampers are idiots

[@JAFO44]

Why sugar coat it?? Only in the US where our news is DECIDED for us.. Why not just say that they were both crushed Beyond physical identification

[@limyrob1383]

Every now and then a dead body falls out of a plane on the approach to London Heathrow. No surprise that these are always flight from an African or Caribbean country where there is no airport security. They usually freeze or are crushed but the oddest thing is that at least one was probably alive when they fell to their death and there is at least one that survived and was seen running fro the plane. He was never caught so we don't know how he did it. Best guess is that the cold suppressed his metabolism and he survived the low oxygen but getting that cooling and re-warming right is just chance. It it hadn't been witnessed I think we would all say it was impossible.

[@kendrapratt2098]

Sounds like the Dan Cooper of wheel well travel!

[@thor6319]

I thought the airline trying to convince me that my assigned seat was white plastic with a hole in it was a stretch. How did these two possibly get convinced they had priority seating in the lower deck?

[@demetriusmelvin2773]

I remember hearing about a similar incident on a plane from Chicago to Hawaii.

[@MikeNaples]

"It's extremely cold and also the same thing when it comes to the oxygen". I guess that means the oxygen is also cold.

[@rodrickdubose659]

Were they mashed up?

[@maxhardover9772]

Typical temp at 40k feet even in the summer time would be about -60 to -70° F or C (the scales cross somewhere around this temp)

[@normanstewart7130]

At -40.

[@minhnguyen-mk9om]

didnt they fall down as soon as the landing gear extends because there is no place for them to sit when the gear is opened, hmmmm

[@jamesm568]

Depends on the aircraft.

[@nedmacallen]

1:13 I see a ledge they could have sat on, even with a ledge I bet they held onto something or hooked in somehow. They could have frozen to whatever they held or Rigamortus kept them in place.

[@andrewczski1969]

When the landing gear went up, it crushed them like bugs into the crevices.

[@XrayMike17plus1]

Wonder if they froze first or died of hypoxia...

[@flyingtigre1239]

Just imagine bodies falling out on the streets before landing. I always watch for that when crossing landing strips on main roads or freeways. Even a tire can fall off.

[@kylieharrison3782]

It has happened before. Once in London.

[@louielouiepks]

Why ? Why would someone do that ?

[@ronald8673]

For clicks. Same reason people fall off of cliffs taking selfies.

[@invertedangel]

the inside cabin of the plane is pressurized so you can breathe and remain conscious... wheel well is not pressurized. cross ocean flight from Jamacia is probably gonna be flying over 10k feet high for many hours... they would not have oxygen in the wheel well so they would lose consciousness and die if they were not crushed by the landing gear. it's as simple as that rlly.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Don't forget COLD. VERY cold.

[@alexandermartincausey7333]

When they say the identities won't be released until the medical examiner "goes through the process" means that it was pretty gory end.

[@briant7265]

What concerns me more than the number of people who have been found in the landing gear after landing is the number (zero) who have been caught trying to get into the landing gear before takeoff.

[@JuliaWeber-o7q]

This happened in utah and the man died now two more people

[@Chicaychico88]

Wow, so that means people are NOT safe traveling, not security at all. Very scary

[@Michael-j4h]

How long were they in there, multiple flights?

[@nightwaves3203]

Maybe one of the airline employees needs to supervise the wheel wells and inspect before and during pushback.

[@markmalasics3413]

Have you ever been on a plane, or even in the terminal, and looked out the window to watch the people working on the tarmac? They are just bodies to do the work, and most look like they were just released from jail last week. Guaranteed that one of those ground workers helped to sneak the poor victims (sarcasm intended) to the plane and into the wheel well. It's definitely an inside job amongst what are essentially DEI hires.

[@justing42]

what a waste of money. Been an airline mechanic for over 30 years…you don’t know how it works

[@BRC332]

Stop calling it tarmac

[@TruRepublican]

Must have opted for Blue Basic.

[@Valco458]

Witnesses said that there were 35 people in the wheel well when the plane first took off. I saw it on Facebook so I’m sure it’s accurate 😂🎉

[@Cocora22]

temps in there probably make everest feel like a sauna! almost

[@t-rex4211]

I rang Boeing once to recommend putting cameras in wheel wells and an automated machine said “if you’re calling to give ideas for planes we’re not interested, goodbye” basically. 😂

[@robloxplayer2876]

That would bee too expensive and useless. Preflight checks usually catch most stoaways

[@t-rex4211]

@ Expensive to link a camera to a monitor? Could’ve saved these guys’ lives 🤷‍♂️

[@Deadassbruhfrfr]

​@@t-rex4211 if you're stupid enough to stowaway in the wheel wells of a commercial airliner. That's on you. Darwanism.

[@robloxplayer2876]

@@t-rex4211 Its their fault for being stupid and climbing into the gear.

[@robloxplayer2876]

@@t-rex4211 It costs a lot of money to install thousands of cameras just to be used like 4 times a day for 2 minutes. Manual checks should be enough most of the time

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

Just buy an airplane ticket like a normal person.

[@mikemiller659]

Not the first time this has happened..I remember at least one time a guy Did live to tell his tale

[@user-dc6ut5uu3t]

A 2011 FAA report examined 89 cases across the world of individuals stowing away in the external compartments of aircraft, such as the wheel wells. 18 survived, indicating an 80-percent fatality rate. The causes of death include being crushed by the landing gear, dying from engine heat and falling from the plane.

[@leelunk8235]

MIKEY TRUE BUT HE WALKS LIKE A CRIPPLE AND BARELY LIVED THROUGH IT

[@itsmePassport]

No air up there. Simple... nuff said.

[@Honest-liars]

Perhaps this situation can be attributed to inadequate security measures.

[@josephkaminski1857]

There is no such thing as security in Jamaca or any third world country. The people on staff probably sell tickets for the wheel wells

[@FlyingSenior]

You travel ZERO, right?

[@XrayMike17plus1]

Where exactly was the plane when the stow-aways gained access?

[@yucasola]

Good to see Willard again.

[@Thatonechick778]

So just wear a good coat and bring some oxygen? 😂

[@Valco458]

Ban all High Capacity Semi Automatic wheel wells . It’ll save countless lives. It’s not “Sustainable”

[@george-b3i-d2d]

were they frequent flyers?

[@1234crevis]

30,000 feet its -50 with no oxygen...

[@timoooo7320]

0:59 Thanks for showing us this “how to” guide!! Now I know how to do it

[@thedarkslide]

Have you also learnt how you die as part of the process?

[@nr3059]

Welcome anytime to try, better sell your soul to the devil than meet your creator in ice

[@williamsaloka9043]

Well, if you're that stupid... try it!

[@L.D.Intheditch]

What's up with Jet Blue,that not only one,but two people can sneak into the wheel Well?

[@johnp139]

Jet Blue does not control the airport security!!!

[@wzDH106]

Airlines don't generally operate security at airports, including international airports. They also don't operate customs at airports *assuming this occurred at an international location up-stream in the day(s)

[@MrSrScott]

It's been reported that the bodies were badly decomposed, they must have been there for a while!

[@Dustin-zd6zn]

What if they had a bomb?

[@ronaldopando769]

During winter time it’s 0% chance

[@johnp139]

So the oxygen is also cold? Moronic “expert”!!!

[@nickcrncich7255]

Doesn't matter winter or summer. At 10-12000 meters the temperature will be at least -50 degrees Celsius no matter what

[@Paul-w9r1r]

Maybe pretty easy to mitigate and add another layer of security. Add cameras to each wheel well? This checks for any form of unwanteds and allows interrogation of the wheel well integrity, if required. Cheap and interfaceable to the cockpit infrastructure (monitors).....?

[@wzDH106]

Cheap? No, Nothing in aviation is cheap. That would require a dedicated aviation supplier + modification certification + installation + associated inspections. Swiss Air lost many lives from a suspected post production (aftermarket) inflight entertainment system fire. Any electrical modification is taken very seriously.

[@Paul-w9r1r]

​@@wzDH106 yes, aware of that tragedy; that was (basically) due to a (current hungry) malfunctioning "vcr" system, many yrs ago. Fitting to a digital flight deck, it's a point to point set-up (current requirements in mA's). Should be some spare input ports available via the monitor display as they're used to toggle through many info parameters/ sensor inputs. Should be ok to do on an analogue f/deck, also. Cameras and an added dedicated display. Cheap in relative terms, compared to the aircraft being compromised, and having ongoing security costs, even then not 100% secure. Whereas, as long as the flight crew utilises cameras and monitor, 100% secure. Just an idea. Should be implementable, not too dissimilar to the exterior inflight cameras already in use.

[@wzDH106]

@@Paul-w9r1r Interesting, well the WB Airbus (and Boeing) models can display video for taxiway situational awareness using the original EFIS setup. I'd imagine the NB models, at least the recent generations, could do the same with little modifications. Assuming wire bundles are untouched, I could see it being an easier modification. And yes, having a feed in that particular area would be fantastic for system troubleshooting, hot brakes, tire or other gear issues..... assuming a HD feel is available with adequate light or some sort of low light resolution.

[@Paul-w9r1r]

@@wzDH106 thanks for the additional info, appreciated. Yes, lighting requirements would be needed. Maybe, at some point, manufacturers, airlines may see the need and it gets done....I'm sure they've had thoughts regarding. All the best.

[@tomsreviews238]

This happened all the time in the past. They used to stow away in Cuba to make it to the US

[@olgarios7942]

Security? Hello? How they got there?

[@ronald8673]

The lawyer will want to sue the airlines and manufacturer on behalf of the victims families if there are no warning signs in the wheel wells that say [ DANGER ! This area is not to occupied while aircraft is in operation ! ]

[@TramJizzle]

Was that plane listed as a budget Airbnb ?

[@ronvalente1991]

Should have an inspector for wheel wells.

[@k5laman]

Note: No matter your location, it's always below freezing a mile or less from you. ⬆

[@08turboSS]

Negative. Above 18,000 ft in summer is usially 30°F and by ghe time your above 22k+ its 0°F and above 25k its -12 to -30 F, above 32k its -35 to -60°F.

[@k5laman]

@@08turboSS Well I guess the airline that printed what I said was wrong!🤔

[@samuelweir5985]

Doesn't make much sense. How much does a bus ticket from NYC to Ft. Lauderdale cost?

[@harrymiram6621]

Apparently, more than these guys were willing to spend. But paying w/your life is better/cheaper, right?-smh

[@RE4LW4LL4CE]

They were Jamaican from Jamaica dolts 🙄

[@samston]

they didnt understand the wheels could crush them , its very cold in there. i think someone help them get in that section and didnt tell them about the danger.

[@mattricci2981]

Jet blue just got fined millions too not looking good for them and spirit

[@johnc2438]

We know one thing: Those two persons will never, ever do that again!

[@timothy8742]

Wondering if the attorney was the first to arrive on scene.

[@kingdedede9135]

This is what happens when you try to reenact what you see in cartoons 😂

[@charlescarpenter3758]

So how do they die, trauma, exposure or hypoxemia. This is not the first time.

[@MadKitty10]

Catching a free ride in the landing gear housing of a high flying jet is a bad idea . Lack of oxygen and cold temperatures at high altitude will kill you. You'll arrive dead .

[@RE4LW4LL4CE]

You don't say

[@ronald8673]

Not if you wear appropriate clothing and have a modified portable oxygen concentrator.

[@PatrickWagz]

Were these 2 passengers at least provided a bag of pretzels during this flight? 🤔

[@timothydempsey3763]

Blanky

[@LeetHaxington]

Just glossing over the facts that having a bottle opener by accident could be considered a felony weapon but there's apparently 0 security or surveillance of unskilled random civilians wandering onto the airport runway casually. Isn't that a severe security lapse? We're playing all these games to cause problems and then you don't even solve the basic easiest part of securing the area around the runway while you throw your hands up and start screaming at the paying customers who are mostly there because the people and companies putting this in place are trying to scam the public left and right. It's so scammy that now there's a pre-pay option that lets you skip the security check. You get these do nothing burdens of society just like insurance companies who sit around, do nothing, collect money at the customer's expense, and just straight up don't do the things they're legally required to do and they're immune from all criticism, regulations, and improvements.

[@Trevor_Austin]

You really need to look at the aircraft in question. A 757 is different to an Airbus A320 series. An Embraer 190 is different again. There is no space in the left wheel well but there is in the right. The big question, is where did the idiots get in? That place has poor security.

[@forestyogin2218]

How the hell does an "Aviation Attorney" have the expertise to answer the technical questions of oxygen deprivation at altitude, and the other effects on the human body ? He is just a lawyer ! Not even a pilot, let alone a physician or mountaineer.

[@5695q]

Most likely a licensed pilot. Do you even know the guy, let alone what qualifications he has. I can imagine that he has read case studies and maybe handled cases dealing with the various scenarios that can pop up in aviation law.

[@thing1and4]

Willard Shepard is a former Fighter Pilot. See 01:30

[@forestyogin2218]

@@5695q Well it just had him cited as an "Aviation Attorney". So poorly communicated. It is a little farcical to have an attorney be a consulted expert for this. Of course, if he was a fighter pilot, then I apologize.

[@БранимирМилошевић]

@@forestyogin2218 they probably wouldn't have someone become an aviation attorney without a lot of direct knowledge and experience... it's not like Saul Goodman is just like "Oh, I like the planes" and it happens.

[@forestyogin2218]

@@БранимирМилошевић "Probably wouldn't have . . ." . They probably would ! Probably meaning likely. You are talking about lawyers, 95% became lawyers to make money and power, not for justice. "How will this get me a Porsche" is a common cultural aspect of any Law School life. The legal system is quite weak on sanity. And I accept that. But if you expect sanity where there is none, then you will lose your own sanity.

[@carloseduardos7294]

Ilegals and criminals...

[@mikaelbiilmann6826]

They gotta start installing heating and chairs in those wheel wells! Think of the poor stowaways! And offer free drinks…and food… and maybe some entertainment… 😡

[@Ezbpete]

And supplemental oxygen tanks!

[@jockob1671]

A lawyer whose every word was true. A first.

[@wzDH106]

News is subpar these days. It was an A320 series, not a Boeing 757. And the doors were closed on the ground. A simple picture would have been sufficient instead of cherry picking for clicks.

[@nealstarling5422]

Bombs could be easily planted, also disgruntled/wacked employees could plant a bomb, security is very poor in some places. I wonder how many people have fallen out of wheel wells and know one ever noticing or how often are foreign objects found in wheel wells and never properly reported or cataloged. I believe those who stow away in wheel wells are particularly ignorant of the conditions at 35 plus thousand feet altitude 😳 think about climbing one the tallest mountains and adding 10 to 15 thousand feet to that, you will pass out first then you will freeze like meat in your freezer, no crockpot will help you then 🤣