The WCW Match That Happened on WWF Raw

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What happened when a WCW match took place on WWF Raw is War?
After Vince McMahon purchased WCW he initially had the idea of letting WCW continue on as it's own separate entity. It was reported that WCW Monday Nitro would continue airing on Monday nights while WWF Raw could potentially move to a different night. In order to test things out, a WCW match took place on Raw - Booker T vs Buff Bagwell - and the match was met was a negative crowd response.
Buff Bagwell thought the match should've taken place the next week when Raw was in Atlanta, however other reports state that Buff Bagwell wasn't the easiest guy to get along with backstage and this match was always destined to fail. Bagwell also explained that he was limited in what he could do during the match due to orders received from Shane McMahon moments before entering the ring.
This video looks at the WCW match that happened on Raw is War just before during the WCW Invasion storyline.
#WWF #WCW

[@WrestlingBios]

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[@garygood6804]

Jake Paul is a sucka. Doesn't have the jam.

[@xsyzz]

no

[@jackdavies5483]

The thing is Vince is a narcissist so it will never make sense

[@brianb99]

Would rather pay u through zelle 😂

[@brianb99]

You're take and video has me fired up! 😂😂 Well done brother!

[@woobgamer5210]

This is definitely a case of the crowd turning against the match due to brand loyalty. They completely sabotaged this match that had nothing wrong with it really.

[@kyleolson8977]

I was in the crowd. There was nothing particularly magical about the brand loyalty. It was not-really WCW with one person who was a star too late and one person who was mid-card and had lost his wrestling skill due to injury. The match did not fit into Raw. It might as well have been a 205 Live match as a main event.

[@TheDarkVampire666]

I think that was obviously part of it as honestly if WCW won bought WWF and they had two WWF guys appear on Nitro the same thing would have happened. However it probably would have helped if they sent bigger stars if for example they sent a Goldberg,Flair,Sting,Hogan or Outsiders it would have gotten a decent to good reaction.

[@ironman2326]

There were far worse Nitro matches for sure.

[@brian_b_music]

@@ironman2326 Oh yeah a whole catalogue full lol.

[@marcbasil]

@@The_Sage_of_Six_Paths”we”…?

[@Thebigbad1013]

You know the crowd is terrible when they don't even react to a devastating chinlock!!!

[@RoccocoVs]

Where was my Def Jam Vendetta special music with BUFF BAGWELL CHINLOCK

[@Ykwhat75]

😂😂😂

[@AMFL3116]

69 likes! Nice!

[@TheMetalAllfather]

BAH GAWD SOMEBODY STOP THE DAYUM CROWD!

[@deut3168]

There was plenty of BS to go around when WWE took over. It's totally within Vince's nature to bury WCW for rivaling him for years. The irony is that without WCW, WWE may have failed. WCW forced WWE to be better.

[@stevenpeeven3169]

Definitely. All the older stars left which meant WWF had to push the younger stars and we ended up with Stone Cold, the rock, HHH, Foley got a better push than at WCW, plus more

[@TaliaIGhul]

Exactly. Eric Bischoff, love him or hate him, did indeed make WWF up their game when WCW was kicking WWF's ass for nearly 20 months in a row.

[@SoldierChrisPS]

What hurt most about the Invasion Storyline is that most of WCWs top stars appeared after this storyline ended. Ric Flair appeared literally the night after. The NWO appeared almost three months after Flair appeared. Bischoff came in the Summer of 2002 (months after). Scott Steiner appeared in November that same year, and Goldberg appeared the night after WrestleMania 19 in 2003. Had WWE been patient, they would've had the stars they wanted, but here we are talking about what could've been.

[@eddiew.4650]

Actually we could've gotten Vince vs Bischoff during the invasion since Eric didn't have a Turner contract like NWO, Flair, Steiner ect. Also keep in mind that you can't really expect WCW talent to just sit at home for a year and wait until the other guys show up. You can only go so far without getting a paycheck, and I doubt Vince would be paying them to sit around and do nothing.

[@jetla22]

​@@eddiew.4650 Bischoff would have came if Jim Ross wasn't being a vauge asshole when he called him.

[@markpw2613]

Vinces ego would have killed it anyway even if they had waited for Mania 18. No way would the legitimate WCW superstars have gone over the WWF (called at the time) guys. Look how Steiner, Goldberg (1st run) all turned out. The only way it would have been half decent was if Vince gave creative control to Paul Heymen or Eric Bischoff to book it. Was never gonna happen.

[@ryblack5032]

You are So Right! Ive Always Said how Horribly Timed the Whole Invasion Angle was! Ric coming in the night after it ended was Just Tragic then of course The NWO and Eric Bischoff Coming into the Company Just Months later, We Missed out on a Great Moment

[@thebaker525]

It’s been theorized that if Vince didn’t pour so much money into the XFL, they would’ve had enough to buy out the Turner contracts

[@zlinedavid]

Wrestling Bios has done more for the art of chinlockery than the last 20 years of actual wrestling.

[@Turn1t0ff]

Davey Boy Smith started it all, bro. The British Bulldog deserves that credit. Recognise. 😂

[@yoholmes273]

Dorks obsession with Chinlocks is now worldwide. 🌎

[@AllieRX]

I think fans just wanted to see the top WCW wrestlers go at it against the top WWF wrestlers. And since they couldn't sign the vast majority of the top WCW guys due to the ridiculously expensive AOL Time Warner contracts, fans knew by then they weren't getting a lot.

[@samuelaarredondo397]

Probably in the minority, but I would have loved to see Buff and Brian Christopher re-make Too Much, and give Too Cool to Rikishi and Scotty.

[@samuelaarredondo397]

Re-boot*

[@XtotheK]

That's actually a pretty good idea.

[@zachwhitaker4167]

WB does it again. It's like this channel was custom made for the topics in pro wrestling that I'm fascinated by.

[@ryblack5032]

l So Agree ❤❤❤

[@mikem10481]

In one of Jericho's books, he said that it should have been Booker T vs. Lance Storm, then it would have been better received to the audience. Bagwell was charismatic but was an average worker at best. Also, considering the interference by Buff's mother, he was a goner from day one.

[@jetla22]

Wtf was she thinking doing that at your son's new job working with old rivals. He should have told her to stfu

[@jeremyc9593]

I don't think that would have worked either. Lance was the polar opposite of Buff, great worker but no charisma.

[@jessehayes8052]

Buff himself said that was a story from Jim to get him fired from the WWE and I believe him

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

Jim was possibly lying. Buff could be delusional about one thing and telling the truth about another. Jim Ross has always been low-key sneaky.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​@@jeremyc9593Exactly! I like Jericho, but he's only sniffing the arse of his fellow Canadian here. Nobody cared about "work rate" in 2001. They cared about gimmicks and bloodshed.

[@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150]

Man... They really rushed the invasion storyline. They could've fed the WCW stars that were available to them at the time SLOWLY, and waited until the next year for their major stars to invade. Bischoff debuted in late 2002 anyway... This could've (and should've) been the biggest angle in the history of the business... A moment of silence for what could've been, please.😔

[@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150]

@@XtremeEffect Yeah, they totally dropped the ball on this angle (not that that's unusual for the WWE).

[@adamcraig1468]

100% but let's be honest, vince was never going to put wcw over in any way. But yes. We can dream about what could have been wot fantasy booking.

[@adamcraig1468]

​@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150I think in this case, what is good for the fans isn't what was good for business

[@curtailedbike4123]

Imagine if they slowly brought in wcw guys and had fans get used to them and root for them. Then suddenly some ex wcw guys turn on the guys they’ve been working with for over a year and we got a story line of a small invasion of ex wcw guys and the main story was “who was who side” since wwe was filled with ex wcw guys.

[@curtailedbike4123]

@@XtremeEffect yeah, honestly I kind of wish we got to see Shane’s version of ecw. A streaming only show that was a development

[@billhicks808]

Buff talked with Stone Cold about this match. He told him they intentionally put the match in washington as opposed to Atlanta where the crowd woukd have been better and that 30 seconds before going out shane told him not to look in the camera which was a big Buff entrance gimmick. It blew his confidence and he knew he was doomed.

[@jessehayes8052]

It's 100% true and sad and according to Buff as well it was Jim Ross that had convinced McMahon to do it so that it could solidify that the WWE stars were bigger and better then the WCW newcomers

[@-th1rty3-]

“HeY, lET's FluSh OUr moNEy DowN tHE tOilEt!” “hOw?” “BUrYinG ThE NEw tAleNt!”

[@zlinedavid]

They didn’t care about what they paid in talent contracts. Vince spends more on haircuts, roids and paralegals than that. WWF wanted one thing from WCW: the video library.

[@BreadHart]

Years ago, WWE did a 24 documentary on Booker T, and for some reason, when Booker talked about this match, they edited it in a way to make it look the match like some huge accomplishment without giving any detail.

[@TheHotdogbitchface]

Buff’s retelling of not being allowed to look into the camera is hilarious and I think makes him a bit more endearing than he otherwise would be haha

[@acuyra]

I remember watching this match as a kid and being so confused by the crowd reaction. I was legit excited to have WCW in WWE. It was like Marvel and DC coming together. I’d wanted it for years.

[@coreyhall1150]

No Sting, No Flair, No Luger, No Goldberg, No NWO, NO INVASION. How u gonna have an invasion without the major players of the opposing company being there?

[@joshuabroz]

Me too… I was like “oh no” however it was hard to cheer for someone… there was no storyline and that’s what is basically was pro wrestling is about. I guarantee this would have been more interesting if Stone Cold and Kurt Angle didn’t also throw Buff out. Or had it been a WWE guy vs Booker/Buff, this would have been one of the most memorable matches of all time

[@ferox965]

Same. And they made it all about the McMahons. One of the biggest dropping of the ball situations along with Bret Hart in WCW.

[@davidjohnson4293]

I was a mild fan of buff bagwell in wcw and really thought "the stuff" would go over well in wwe. He was pretty over as a heel. And even if ya didn't like him... he sold the gimmick great! This match was pretty much the start of the end of his career. He would never reach that level he was on... ever again 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@toptenguy1]

Yep, AND.. Remember when Vince did the audience test on the RAW where he bought WCW? Buff actually got a positive pop that clearly surprised Vince.

[@davidm7328]

Agreed! Buff wasn’t a top guy, but definitely one of the more admirable characters in wcw because he always put on a good show. It’s a damn shame because he has so much potential in the new wwf if he had just been give a chance.

[@jimbo_1312]

It's almost as if spending years telling your fanbase the competition sucks will negatively impact things when you buy the competition and present it to your fanbase.

[@sherrix6881]

As opposed to promoting the competition 👍🏻

[@coreyhall1150]

​@@sherrix6881ppl are dumb they don't get it.

[@adcomedyjokes]

It's interesting how some stuff with potential gets scraped after 1 match but they've let some characters, gimmicks and storylines ride longer that should've been cut

[@Njpro]

Roman Reign’s character for one

[@djdarq6311]

@Fox News Fact Checker sad for you mark - bloodline is great storytelling

[@djdarq6311]

@@Njpro roman is gold

[@undertakernumberone1]

@michaelbock8987 Well, Bloodline is doing good stuff... the nWo in WCW on the othe rhand...

[@dxtremecaliber]

@FoxNewsFactCheckerthe Bloodline storyline is good tho

[@PoeticProphetic]

I bet if WWE filled the arena with some of that One Warrior Nation smoke 💨 🍁 …. everyone would’ve been cool with it 🙃

[@213chewy]

There was also another WCW match on smack down I believe, Billy Kidman beat Greg helms for the cruiserweight title, X-pac was even watching it from back stage since he was the light heavyweight champion at the time

[@k.konczak3291]

*SmackDown

[@y2j1980x]

Such a shame no one knew how any big wCw names were coming to the WWE in 2002. If this was known - that the nWo, Steiner - I imagine even Goldberg might’ve shown up a few months earlier had everything been going swimmingly - had the WWE spent 2001 slowly introducing these mid card wCw guys - Booker T, Buff Bagwell, DDP, Bischoff etc (mid card as in even though they were wCw main eventers beforehand, they had no real credibility on arrival at WWE) - then done the invasion angle with the nWo as the team leaders, and each week the lower rated wCw guys who’d shown up in 2001 would turn nWo-style to the invading side until maybe just DDP and Booker remained loyal to WWE - that could’ve been one hell of a story for that year. I mean obviously hindsight is a great thing, and I remember in that year reading that those bigger names were happy just getting paid for seeing out their contracts, but this invasion could’ve been awesome had it had the groundwork laid in 2001 then erupted through the nWo in 2002.

[@mikeharless4596]

This was a good, objective breakdown of what was absolutely an historic moment in wrestling history. Well done! 😊

[@ryblack5032]

I Remember Watching this match Live that night and My Girlfriend at the Time and myself were just excited to see WCW On WWF Television, At First the Whole Invasion Angle seemed So Cool and Unreal as a Fan of Both Companies since my Childhood in the 1980s, Sad how it All turned out in the End

[@Skorpio420]

I was there for this Raw (and subsequent Smackdown taping the next night) with a sign that said "I came to see WCW." I almost got my ass kicked both nights.

[@criminalmindsgirl2936]

Vince burying the WCW guys during the Invasion storyline was proof that he would've still buried WCW had he created a brand of it's own.

[@nothinghandle]

It basically would have been the wwe ECW reboot. and to be honest I think all this comes down to Vince being egomaniacal and petty as he would never let the competition shine even if it’s to his benefit

[@henrygvidonas9573]

He just had to "crush the competition" and "win the war" over and over and over. Like a completely obsessed psychopath... You don't get to alienate and drive off 75% to 80% of your peak audience by being reasonable.

[@iamarabicandiloveamericanp7137]

Not just vince but also the guys at the top and mid card do your really think they will do the job to their so called "rivals"

[@briancallaway1690]

The WCW guys that got buried was because they were nowhere near as good as the WWF guys.

[@jetla22]

​@@briancallaway1690 Please explain why DDP was mercifully buried to no return. One of the worst burials in wrestling history

[@ThePaulFord]

Shane Helms and Kidman had a WCW match that same Smackdown too

[@Obscusion2]

Yeah, I was going to bring this up, too. No one seems to bat an eye at how Sugar Shane Helms was the Cruiserweight Champion come the final Nitro, yet Billy Kidman was the champion going into the Invasion PPV, and it's because Kidman won the title on that Smackdown match. However, this video establishing that Helms was injured would likely explain why he dropped the title to Kidman, as otherwise he might have been the one to fight X-Pac at Invasion, since he was so well liked after the Buff incident.

[@Neepsy]

Hhb

[@Neepsy]

11:55

[@roccojamison89gooker51]

18:07 Dave Meltzer deserves 5 Davey Boy Smith Chinlocks and 6 Savio Vega Nerve Pinches

[@Machete87]

lol🤣😅😆

[@mr.ohiostate2544]

Meltzer is 💩

[@MistyDusker]

I'm curious if it took Booker T (and other WCW wrestlers) some time to get respect from WWF fans and what changed the tide in their favor. Hard to think of a time people didn't appreciate his talents as a wrestling veteran.

[@davidzambrano1121]

Yes it did, we did not like Booker T when he first appeared on WWE. It was not until next year when he became face.

[@dankayden]

I watched this recently and really it’s nowhere near the worst matches I’ve ever seen..the crowd just didn’t want to see two wcw guys and that’s it

[@zemox2534]

They're blind loyalty to wwe helped to kill wcw or at least what was left of it.

[@AmazingGuy13]

They shouldn't have overreacted and they should have committed to doing a brand split with WCW before doing the Invasion angle. Establish Shane's WCW first and wait until the big names were available.

[@martynodonnell]

Then WCW looks strong compared to WWF. I don’t think Vinces ego would have allowed that.

[@jamesplaysgames3574]

The new WCW didn't have a network to air on at the time.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@jamesplaysgames3574 Because nobody wanted WCW since the brand had become a laughing stock at best and marketing poison at worst for most networks. And if a network payed for WWF, they wanted WWF and not Dubbya C Dubbya.

[@jessehayes8052]

​@undertakernumberone1 Not even close WCW's ratings were going back up since Russo was on his way up and the age of Steiner was in, had it not been for the McMahon buyout WCW would have risen back to the top under Bischoff

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

It might’ve still failed at that point because of the garbage execution of the Invasion angle.

[@robertstuart480]

I think the match was set-up to go over like a lead balloon from the outset. It upsets me to this day that WCW is no longer around.

[@KevinPayton-fq8gd]

Absolutely. I miss WCW as well.

[@onisfury8264]

My own exposure to wcw was the video games and VHS tapes and I still wish wcw's still around. If WCW were still around today they probably would have went the PG route too or the flippy Kitty Indy wrestling era

[@craighmandy1982]

Another great video. If I look back on this time, I was excited at the opportunity to see WCW wrestlers in a WWE ring but, if I’m honest, this was where my ‘watch every episode of WWF/E’ started to slow down. It’ll always be in my blood but this is where the lights dimmed for me.

[@hiphopforheads772]

The Rush Royale plug was unexpected lol. Good for you! I’ve got that game on my phone. Hope they’re paying you good.

[@AGH69]

I can't fathom how no one told Vince that Bagwell isn't even at Jarrett's level and he doesn't even have any business in a marquee match. The Invasion was dead before it even began when it became clear that WCW is being represented by low and mid card talent from a period where most had stopped watching anyway. Booker was only just cementing himself as a top talent and should've been in there with any other veteran top talent.

[@ajk]

There was a moment before the ill-fated match that is not brought up here, that kinda set the tone for what followed you might say. That being, when Scott Hudson promoted the match just before a commercial break ahead of it, he referred to it as being for the "WWF" Title. Yeahhh.....talk about falling out of the gate.....

[@JOBdOut]

There was a third WCW match you've left out that took place on WWE TV - Billy Kidman vs Sugar Shane (oops sorry Gregory) Helms on Smackdown (same night as DDP vs Booker) - which was received way better than the other two.

[@A1PrimeTimeMovies]

WCW was doomed to fail in WWE with how they were handling it.

[@briancallaway1690]

I think it had more to do with no talent from the WCW side. The WWF guys were way better.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@briancallaway1690 There was also the simple issue of WCW's brand being poison for the TV stations. And if a station payed for WWF, it wanted WWF and not WCW.

[@brianb99]

​@@briancallaway1690 WCW had talent! They were just booked into a pile of Russo 💩

[@TheRealAhoy]

The thing with trying to put over that wcw are just as good or nearly as good as wwf was, is that the wcw image was muck and people would be quicker to think that wwf came down to wcw's level more than they'd believe wcw magically rose to wwf's level. It was tricky.

[@olliesmith3833]

They had no real talent come over following the purchase. What they should have done is wait a year or 2 for the big name contracts to be over and then booked a much better Invasion angle that actually included the WCW stars. Could have went much better but they didn’t want to be patient.

[@AWF1000]

I didnt have a clue who buff Bagwell was at the time. Thought he was a weirdo when i saw him on raw.. never watched a nitro episode. I only watched raw. But i heard of Booker T. He was s big name.

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

Same I thought he was some jobber that was there to make booker t look good and never saw him again

[@jesterr7133]

In all honesty, I thought Buff would have been a star in WWE. I wanted him to go there even before WWE folded. This match pretty much ended his career, leaving as a pretty big "what if" in the wrestling landscape.

[@savagedarksider2147]

To be fair; WWF condition their audience to hate everything about WCW and + A WWF WCW wouldn't have work.

[@retronerds6884]

It was the east coast vs west coast but with wrestling

[@savagedarksider2147]

​@@retronerds6884 Or Marvel vs DC Comics.

[@Hoovie9596]

That’s true

[@savagedarksider2147]

​@@Hoovie9596 This has been said multiple times but looked what happened with ECW and also; do you really think those hardcore WCW fans who hated WWF and Vince McMahon would suddenly start watching WWF ?

[@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372]

Course. WCW tried to put the WWE out of buisness. Doesn't matter that Vince purchased the company. They were still the enemy and he wanted to show how inferior the product had become. Doesn't mean others that came from them failed but alot of them got buried.

[@maxxpower3d6]

This match hurt the brand's chances a lot, but the other nail in the coffin was that no TV network was willing to take a chance on anything called "WCW" after the previous two years of the product had seen high expenses and sagging ratings. When Jamie Kellner canceled Nitro, Thunder, and all the rest, he made WCW worthless to everyone but Vince. A great showing from this segment might have provided a glimmer of hope, but salvaging WCW would have been a long uphill climb.

[@banjotwanger]

For me a big thing about this match failing was to do with Buff being a real WCW guy. Not because of his loyalty but his whole schtick always came across as something that was WCW style in a nutshell. All that was good about him was long past.

[@ryankeefe2102]

Which is weird because you'd think he'd fit in wwe like a glove in say the early attitude era or the new generation era

[@jetla22]

I think the location had a lot to do with it. They should have waited to this in a southern state where WCW was more loved not upstate

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@jetla22 But here is the issue, as WB points out: WWF WCW shows, had that idea happened, wouldn't have happened only in Georgia, the Carolinas etc. They would'Ve toured the country. And if their shows only have an interested crowd in the old WCW heartland, why bother running a national show?

[@jetla22]

@@undertakernumberone1 no I meant for the debut. Perception is everything. If they had a great debut with good audience reaction it would carry over to a certain extent instead of being looked at as The Sunday night hear roster on raw

[@JCLopez209]

You could definitely see which one of the two competitions WWE hated the most. WWE hated WCW so much that they decided to make ECW a brand alongside RAW and Smackdown (not a good one) but a brand none the less. WCW was and would never be a consideration for a potential third brand.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Who wanted a WCW in 2005? 😂 ECW still had a nostalgia fanbase.

[@JCLopez209]

@@ignatiusjackson235 bro ECW in 2005 would've been better as a one off instead of a brand that wasn't like the old ECW.

[@coreyhall1150]

Dude they almost put Vince out of business. So YEAH he is gonna hate them. ECW was a very small territory that posed no threat to WWF. That is the difference.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@coreyhall1150 ECW and WWF worked together at times.

[@coreyhall1150]

@@undertakernumberone1 Exactly. Vince was using it as sort of a talent development thing. He would fund Heyman and in return he got to take what talents he wanted.

[@freaknasty666]

Should have gone ahead with WWF in Raw, Nitro taking SDs spot and running 2 rival orgs with few interactions aside from the rare person jumping ship.

[@martynodonnell]

In theory yes. However it would mean the WWF stars giving up their spot for WCW talent. I don’t think that would have went down well backstage with the WWF lockeroom this was a massive part of why things played out the way they did.

[@adamcraig1468]

It was over once wcw was purchased.

[@freaknasty666]

@@martynodonnell And whats crazy is technically they were all WWF employees lol Vince defeated himself

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@freaknasty666 Yes. They were all employees. But they were newcomers from the competition in the company. While therem ight've been respect for the in ring work, for the WWF guys, a lot of htem now were competitors for paychecks and TV Time just after they'd been "the enemy".

[@warmachine68]

Thanks for making these!

[@jonnya4209]

That invasion started as it meant to go on with Vince trying to get the crowd to cheer for a thumbs up and a thumbs down instead of just cheer for the name and producing a mess.

[@PrinceVegita1]

Man, having WCW would have been so much cooler than a RAW / SmackDown brand split...Imagine a Survivor Series where it's WWE champion vs World Heavyweight champion, Intercontinental vs US champion and... hardcore vs hardcore champion?

[@MrM-u3h]

Smackdown was WCW though. They just didn't call it that. Look at the roster during the 2000s - Big Show, Rey, Eddie, Chavo, Finlay, Palumbo, Regal, Benoit, Jericho, Psychosis, Booker, etc. Full of WCW guys.

[@williambrown5934]

12:49 NOW I can say, this is one thing I did see lol, at first didn’t recognize it lol.. End in Buff getting attacked too lol as he thinks Stone Cold, Kurt and him are on the same page.. 😂 It was a riot!

[@colechung7806]

I'm definitely interested in a what if WWE actually went through with the plans of a Monday Nitro Revival and how would it work with Monday Night Raw

[@DDWES]

The tough thing was the Contracts meaning WWF had only access to some of their roaster and not the entire thing. No way deep enough to put on decent weekly shows.

[@martynodonnell]

Another awesome upload from the wrestling channel with the most jam on the planet!

[@Smok3yR1der]

I remember being amped to see this. I loved Booker and Buff and the match was perfectly passable. Of all times for Vince to listen to the crowd

[@elleni-41]

I just found this channel, ive binge watched quite a few videos..👌👌

[@kingroyale7110]

Check out the stone cold collection

[@retepoteil]

U won’t be disappointed with his content

[@elleni-41]

@@retepoteil ..im not..im subscribed to quite a few wrestling channels, i just discovered this one..😅😅..ive been a wwe fan for 27 years, since 1995...razor ramon n Michaels, ladder match first ever wwf thing i watched on vhs tape, wrestle mania 10..i was hooked after that..🤣🤣

[@emypetcu]

the memes you should follow around here from the top of my head Saturday Wright Fever, davey boy smith chinlock , Glacier coming ,Hulk Hogan facts, ... also Steve Blackman is our Chuck Norris

[@retepoteil]

@@elleni-41 great match

[@suntanironman]

0:01 Awesome! I just got done rewatching WCW Blunder a few hours ago. I’m hoping this will be a like a spin-off sequel of sorts.

[@suntanironman]

8:34 Okay. Definitely not a spin-off sequel. Never mind. Lol

[@stewartmeetball3417]

Remember watching this match.. horrible. Thanks for the video bios

[@BlueMageWithSoulEdge]

I believe Buff 'cause look at what they did with DDP, Tazz and Booker. If not Vince, then the cabinet around him was looking for excuses to fire them. If the booking cared then the world champion match wouldn't have been randomly thrown together-- it would have been built up for at least a week. Or tested on a pay-per-view, or in house shows. They WANTED to get rid of them.

[@ELKHOLY116]

well, there goes buff's future appearance for relieving the war 😂😂

[@Black-Circle]

A major problem of this was the event was in a Non WCW friendly arena. If it was somewhwere else it would have gotten more reaction.

[@martynodonnell]

Exactly why it played out the way it did. Vince never wanted to be associated with the WCW name or seen to be promoting his rival company.

[@eddiew.4650]

The Raw after this was in Georgia, so yeah Vince did this on purpose.

[@jetla22]

​@@eddiew.4650 He definitely did it on purpose to say look "the fans think y'all suck" when any businessman would have waited for Georgia

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@jetla22 And a few days later, IN ATLANTA, DDP VS TAKER, DDP got boo'd. And as WB points out: If WCW had returned as a WWF show, WCW wouldn't have stayed in Georgia and the Carolinas. It would have toured NATIONALY. It had to PROOF itself nationally. Nothing to gain if all the shows outside of the WCW home has dead crowds who don't care. And the old die hards probably wouldn't have given a rat's arse about WWFCW anyway and seen it the WCW version of 2009 ECW.

[@Black-Circle]

@@jetla22 i really do think this was set up for wcw to fail. they already planned for stone cold to get involved

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Austin theory reminds me so much of buff bagwell

[@Stiggs-bu2fz]

At least Theory has a longer WWE career then Buff ever had tbh

[@jbanks979]

I think with any of these invasion storylines, one of the biggest issue is there is never clearly defined stakes behind what is happening. With the NWO it was “oh no they’ll destroy WCW as it previously existed”. It then………..proceeded to do exactly that as 80% of the roster joined the NWO, prior strong factions were dismantled, and the heel faction never suffered more than a momentary loss in 3-4 years. By 1999 there was nothing left to have a rooting interest in to cheer against the NWO. With WWE owned “WCW”, the only way this ever could have worked is if the faction was both booked strong and gave fans enough of a rooting interest to cheer for. There would have to be stakes to WCW continuing to exist and some promise of consequences if they were successful. Ideally you’d want fans to get behind the faction, even if they were ultimately unsuccessful. Nobody at WWE proper wanted to even pretend WCW was a legitimate threat anymore, even though Vince has already clearly won the war. So even for storyline purposes WCW was never booked as a real, still existing faction. It was just mid card guys hogging airtime (even though Booker T was much more at this point), so of course fans weren’t going to be happy. Vince’s immediate 180 shouldn’t be surprising, given that he never seemed that interesting in selling this in the first place

[@FaTBoYx93]

16:11 anyone see a sign that says deez nutz 😂 how long has that been around

[@AGxAG]

1992 Dr Dre track on one of his albums

[@benespinosa6725]

Kurt Angle And Steve Austin Saved this Match so there's that lol awesome Video.

[@Daniel-zp2pi]

I'd say they put it out of its misery.

[@benespinosa6725]

​@@Daniel-zp2pi that was great lol

[@fergalstackstreams]

I think this "Raw would have become WCW Nitro" thing is a complete myth. Vince's ego wouldn't have allowed that to happen, and even if it did, Spike would have put the kibosh on it. They paid a hundred million dollars to get Raw on their network, and they would not have been happy with WWE replacing it with a dead brand.

[@undertakernumberone1]

I think Shane had the suggestion of running WCW like Smackdown after the Brand Extension. But part of the issue was, that no station wanted WCW.

[@ryankeefe2102]

Remember the show excess on Saturday nights around that time apparently that was supposed to be the wcw time slot but tnn said we paid for wwf not wcw

[@pleaseshutup7053]

I agree I don’t believe it for a second

[@keithharper1470]

Vince's ego wouldn't even allow SmackDown to out do RAW when Heyman was running SmackDown

[@rowdyroughman]

It was TNN back in the day.

[@distantandvague]

I remember watching this live on television. Buff Bagwell walked out like he thought the crowd was going to explode at the sight of him. Instead, all he received was dead silence. It was very funny.

[@cwrooney397]

I remember watching and this actually looking forward to more of this.

[@strangulator42]

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[@michaelreich4827]

It didn't help that the match was held in Washington State instead of a WCW mainstay like the Carolinas.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

You glossed over the difference between the WCW and WWF rings, but I think that had a major impact. Stone Cold and others have spoken extensively about how rough the WWF rings were. Everybody claims that Vince wanted to make his competition look weak. Maybe a lot of them just... were?

[@jaritime1406]

The problem this match hit was iit was the Main Event of RAW the people had spent there money to watch WWF not WCW if it'd opened the show the crowd would have bee more into it i feel but we were told by WWF WCW was nothing to WWE fans

[@wolfgangbollwein8135]

I didn't know that WCW rings were smaller than WWF/E rings! Quite interesting!

[@bernardosantosribeiro6665]

Buff would have done really well if it wasn't for his addiction issues and the moment the wrestling world was going through, he was great on the mic and had improved a lot in the ring, I still dream of seeing him in in the corner of the bron breaker seen this new regime

[@bathombre9739]

El chavo del ocho😂

[@bernardosantosribeiro6665]

@@bathombre9739 How easy it is to find a Latin fan hahaha

[@djdarq6311]

He sucked buddy

[@G-TV_TheOneManArmy]

Will you do the invasion angle and the beginning of wwe after reliving the war just curious if so i can not wait much love from Philadelphia

[@PaulSmith-vo3ge]

Great video

[@chadhoganlive]

That remixed opening Buff Bagwell song 😄

[@JeanShortVanDamme]

They should have started the Invasion at the 2002 Royal Rumble. Have four WWF Guys be the last in the Ring, let the lights go out and when they turn back on, have Booker T, DDP, Flair and Bagwell stand in the Ring. That would be a good Start and you could bring in. Hogan, Hall, Nash Bischof Steiner etc. one after the other.

[@Solid_Jackson]

Heard a mention for the channel on OSW 👍 Awesome work as always, genuinely think the channels great

[@jasonwilcoxen4121]

Maybe if they waited a week til they were in Atlanta it would have gone better.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Sabatoge

[@jackcarraway4707]

By 2001, WCW was best left in the rearviewmirror. Without guys that defined the war like the NWO, Sting, Flair, Goldberg, etc., fans weren't gonna be all that interested no matter what the WWF did. Just let these WCW guys start fresh and save a WCW vs. WWF program for later.

[@randallrigney420]

I'm so glad I got to go to two Monday Nitros.

[@Allencartercomix]

Along with having the first WCW match on RAW take place in Atlanta first before having it in other towns, the WWF could also have done a cruiserweight match instead, which was one of WCW's many TV staples. They may not have had Rey Mysterio yet, but you did have Shane Helms, Kidman, Chavo Guerrero Jr. and some other cruiserweights that came over after the buyout. Perhaps Billy Kidman vs. Shane Helms replaces Bagwell vs. Booker T. in that match.

[@kisubags437]

Has there ever really been a good Buff match? I honestly can’t say there is and I liked him back in wcw. He was one of those all gimmicks guy

[@rdrouynriv]

One of those guys who always wrestles the same match. If you've seen one Buff Bagwell match, you've seen them all.

[@jessehayes8052]

Buff had had a million great matches from his All American tag team days to Him and Steiner all the way to his singles to the end of the Russo era

[@rdrouynriv]

@@jessehayes8052 After his injury he was really limited in what he could do in the ring.

[@kisubags437]

@@jessehayes8052 I can’t really agree, I liked him but I was never like “wow good match”. His in ring stuff doesn’t hold up, his character did but I just don’t think it ever would of held up in the wwe

[@pussydestroyer87]

Stacy Keibler is a cup size away from being the most perfectly constructed woman of our time.

[@Stiggs-bu2fz]

I guess Buff just wasn' t the Stuff in VKM eyes.

[@omega.male4231]

I can’t believe WWE didn’t let Buff look into the camera during his entrance 😤😤😤😤

[@DannieDecentVlogs]

Great video I enjoyed it

[@Bsfnelz20]

If i was Bagwell and didn't know what the finish was i would of started helping Booker T cuz he looked real stupid when they threw him out the door u can tell he didnt wanna sell it

[@jakewilburn6295]

So for years before youtube I thought seeing this was a fever dream. I couldn’t find anyone who remembered it.

[@writeronfire]

That WCW logo looks like it was leftover from Halloween Havoc

[@TheMossNet]

Only of the things I didn’t understand was putting Buff Bagwell in a World Title Match when was never a contender in the original WCW

[@jamesgaston2745]

to anyone unfamiliar with American geography. Tacoma, Washington is as far from Atlanta, Georgia that you could get in the Continental US. It may not have salvaged it but at least the crowd may have known the guys and cheered for Booker. Grew up in Seattle and I think WCW made it to Washington once during the Monday Night War.

[@ant4158]

I remember reading the wwe were going to be in Atlanta GA a few weeks after the Booker T vd Bagwell match, that would've been a better crowd reaction cuz Atlanta was a WCW audience

[@charlesbaker7505]

The smarter idea and pretty simple idea would be to have Booker T face a WWF Wrestler… could be Regal, could be Angle

[@thekingofoldskool2]

On that same edition of SmackDown! The renamed Gregory Helms lost the WCW Cruiserweight Championship to Billy Kidman and on that weeks edition of Heat (which was taped with SmackDown! at the time), had Sean O'Haire & Chuck Palumbo defend the WCW Tag Team Titles against Shawn Stasiak & Kanyon. Buff Bagwell's last WWE appearance was running interference in the Booker/DDP match on SmackDown!

[@lorenzoalsobrooks739]

Well, having a WCW revival begin in Tacoma, WA was not smart to begin with considering that WCW didnt have a history in the Pacific Northwest. The match was doomed to fail.

[@7654x]

I reckon Vince had plants in the crowd, just like he die at WM7

[@TricksterBloom]

Poor Buff..was always one of my favourite guys

[@gumdeo]

He had the Stuff.

[@eddiew.4650]

He had too much heat backstage to be taken seriously. In both WCW and WWF. Also he's blamed J.R for ruining his career multiple times.

[@johndoyle7650]

A lot of wwe fans haven't changed since this match. Blind loyalty to the one product, never open to different promotions

[@StageRight123]

6:35 This is the best spot ever. Meng, Stone Cold, Bradshaw, R-Truth, and.... Tajiri... and Kama? To the right, you got Ron Simmons, Johnny Polo, and some Jabroni, etc.

[@seanbean3826]

Booker looks AWESOME in that belt. What a pair.

[@Simpyphus]

I don't think they had enough WCW stars. So it was always gonna be WCW lite. They didn't even have Russo!