Writer Murdered by Convicted Killer She Was Rehabilitating | Brett Morgan & Louise Ellis Analysis

[@LEV1ATHYN]

Moral of the story: Don't treat a brutal murderer like a hatchling with a broken wing. Some people are not to be trifled with or saved.

[@kate4biglittlevoices]

I can tell by his photos he is super charismatic 😮I can only imagine

[@briand5047]

"She was moved by his commitment to justice" when he testified against his cell mate. Was he committed to justice when he committed murder and other crimes? Isn't it amazing people fall for these "hatchlings". Surely he was getting something for himself out of testifying.

[@kate4biglittlevoices]

@@briand5047 for sure

[@johndoeisme]

Yeah, but people can always argue that how we know unless we try

[@stutzbearcat5624]

Women love those guys! Hey don't ask me!

[@jeffholloway7974]

I am a retired probation/parole officer. One thing I have learned is that there is no such thing as rehabilitation of a repeat offender by any type of counseling or a "good woman's love," The only times I have seen repeat offenders going straight is because, and this is a direct quote, "I got sick of being locked up on Christmas, Thanksgiving, and my birthday."

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

Agree, except in one case. My grandfather quit the BS when he met my step grandma. Previously he had gone to prison twice (once to San Quentin) and was a general POS, shooting up heroin on the front porch. Got his life together after meeting the woman that he ended up marrying for the rest of his life (40 years)

[@jeffholloway7974]

@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Maybe we are both right. Maybe he got sick and tired of being locked up, and maybe your step grandma was the extra push he needed to get straight.

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

@@jeffholloway7974 according to him, no. He credited her, and her only. Prison didn’t bother him so much, but heroin addiction did.

[@sandraatkins2539]

Simply because he was an addict does not mean he committed crimes against mankind. There is a difference.

[@sierravista9013]

Yup

[@hyperbolic-time-chamber-strand]

This story will be on repeat until the end of humanity. It's frustratingly sad and pathetic.

[@DennisNeijmeijer]

Yep, just loke we're not stopping crime from happening 100%. We can't protect people from naivety and stupidity. A small group is susceptible to being violent and a small group is susceptible to being their easy targets...

[@JetSkiSuper7]

It a way to cleans the planet of a few low IQ's.

[@jamesf8507]

Unless these females wake up some day

[@tizodd6]

Women love bad boys. Good guys are boring to them. They gotta get abused a few times so they have some interesting stories to tell lol

[@rumchata6569]

Just like how white girls adopt damaged pitbulls

[@deb_diaries]

Tragic. Good life strategies: 1) Learn to recognize toxicity and psychopathy so you can run away from it like your hair is on fire. 2) Don't start a romance with a convicted killer. 3) Understand that not everyone can be fixed.

[@jamesparlane9289]

Dead right or as Morgan Freeman said "Ain't that god-damned right?"

[@seemore1539]

Yea, women need to adhere to that advice, like WTF Chuck!!!!!

[@user-xg3uy6hq9g]

@@seemore1539 men as well. toxic women out there.

[@fidelogos7098]

I learned the hard way that not everyone can be fixed. Once I got out of the relationship, I could see that I was an enabler. I hope I've "fixed" that character flaw!

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

Understand that nobody can be fixed

[@MR-cb7pe]

I have been that type of woman. Thinking everyone can be “saved”. Shown a better life. You can make a difference in a child’s life, you cannot change a dangerous full grown man. You need to just avoid them.

[@theresathompson4719]

It's really a shame she didn't give all of her attention on a child. So many children that need love and a chance. To hell with prisoners.

[@bobbarker1798]

Can't really change a child either!

[@Elite_Gamer_1337]

she literally fell in love with a convicted career criminal and murderer

[@christinepedersen5511]

Oh yeah. I spent 10 years 'helping" a man who was a terrible person. The only help is getting far away and never ever see them again.

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

@@christinepedersen5511 Agreed!

[@Kat-tr2ig]

"Women, you are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is NOT your job to fix him, change him, parent him or raise him." -Julia Roberts.

[@shahidabdoullakhanzorovr1564]

Yes, ladies, stop being deluded narcissists. You can't tame a grown ass criminal/dysfunctional man with your high-mileage poon-poons.

[@Ken15643]

Julia Roberts would know.

[@maroonforsyth7011]

Why would you take advice from someone who didn't

[@kathleenking47]

Women could NEVER change men You cant LOVE him straight 😢 It's why, aftervage 11, bots need to be around strong men

[@EllaNonimato]

yeah, there are women that needs rehabilitation themselves. she was auto sufficient. she fall for him. she was an 1d10t.

[@calendarpage]

I remember seeing an Oprah show with a woman with facial burns. She met a guy who was in jail for killing his wife. She thought that, as a Christian, she should give everyone a second chance and that she would give it to him. I don't remember what he poured on her, but she was sitting on the floor with her son when the man poured something on her that resulted in burns. She was able to shield her child. As a Christian myself, I cannot bring myself to believe that I'm the one who has to give criminals their second chance at the risk of my life, finances, or health. Some people cannot be saved - at least not by me.

[@nickyblue4866]

Same here. As a Christian I'll do good to people but those who are evil i have zero compassion for.

[@elsadapcher8346]

I dont buy it. Couldn't she help a lady ? It's like the women who fall for catfish scammers and say they were only looking for a friendship. Somehow they always seek the 'friendship' of beautiful younger men !

[@cecilyerker]

Let God do the saving. You’re not supposed to be unequally yoked.

[@mweber5459]

Yes, God gave us an intellect for a reason.

[@chicagogyrl4846]

@@elsadapcher8346 Ha ha If someone is only looking for friendship they would be talking with other women, not men!! 😂🤣

[@aquious953]

My ex wife was in a long range relationship with a convicted killer in Vegas. I found filthy letters from him. It only got worse when I found out she was sending him money, our money.

[@Koozomec]

It was probably not about you but more about her. What a wild and vile thing to do. I hope you have selected someone who care for you more than she care for a convincted. Take care.

[@JaneDoe-ip5yl]

I see why "Ex" 😵‍💫

[@kelleywyskiel3478]

Oh god how awful of her.

[@Jath2112]

Geez... I hope all is well

[@user-xg3uy6hq9g]

they as a group seem pretty manipulative

[@mildredpierce4506]

1. Why would you live with a murderer? 2. Why would you believe a person with a history of violence would be changed? 3. Why would you loan an unemployed career criminal any money expecting to be paid back?

[@nickyblue4866]

She was an idiot

[@ocoolwow]

She was clearly delusional

[@Catlily5]

Childhood trauma can cause faulty beliefs.

[@Kat-tr2ig]

The answer to all three is childhood trauma and low self esteem.

[@jamesf8507]

Simple she was dumb as fck and only listened to the small voice coming from her pants not the one coming from her head

[@latinaalma1947]

Most murderers are sociopaths or psychopaths...keep far far away from ALL sociopaths and psychopaths.

[@jamesf8507]

do you realize that sociopathic and psychopathic traits are exhibited by the majority of the populace throughout the a lifetime, despite such individuals not being classifiable as psychopaths or sociopaths. I think you need to understand the world a little more, try getting to know some people

[@latinaalma1947]

@@jamesf8507 Uh I think not ...I am a professor of clinical psychology with three university systems over my career, years of research and hospital based as well as private practice. While it is true there are executives and politicans etc who have SOME psychopathic traits and likely politicians too, as well as in the general public, I doubt the MAJORITY of people WITHOUT psychopathic or sociciopathic traits WANT romantic relationships with such people. If you do, well, ....best of luck to you. Sybil Francis PhD

[@eadweard.]

​​@@jamesf8507 She didn't say stay away from anyone who exhibits psychopathic traits at some point in their lives. She said stay away from psychopaths.

[@defundhollywood3259]

Good thing they all wear signs and are easily identifiable.

[@Hilz28]

​​@@defundhollywood3259 Right? That comment makes it sound like there's a manual out there on how to spot one 😅

[@starshine3588]

The typical “I can fix him…my love will fix him” mentality that so many people seem to have. We all need to stop feeling sorry for violent people…and stop making excuses for them. We can’t “fix” them or rehabilitate them.

[@whittenaw]

Seriously i agree. I wonder where some of us get that complex. Is it ingrained biologically somehow or is it conditioned through the media?

[@Marymackthequeenofwack]

@amandart for me personally, I was young and naive and "in love" for the first time at 18. I learned really quickly that I cannot change anyone but myself but I've witnessed many more-than-grown women who should know better but STILL insist on "fixing" violent men. I don't think messaging had anything to do with it as it seems women especially have been doing this for decades at a minimum. My great Aunt was one of them, she's 92 now but has told me stories of her youth and her attempts to reform a useless man.

[@claradiaz3147]

Correction: It's a mentality that "so many > women (mostly) < seem to have...".

[@NHarmonik]

Some people can be rehabilitated. Just not through romance...

[@jturtle5318]

​@@whittenaw I heard it growing up. "He just needs a good woman to straighten him up". Girls want to be good.

[@ASMR-Arboretum]

My sister did something like this. She found her high-school boyfriend 20 years later on line. He was in jail on drug and fraud charges. She married him while he was in jail. He got out and took a whole bunch of money out in her name and took off. 🤦‍♀️

[@Kimber-bz9fe]

I know of someone whom was contacted by a school friend 30yrs later as well. She owns her own home & has savings. He BS with he has “always loved her”. 2 weeks later she’s moved him in & he came with 2 boxes of belongings. No prior address no bank account info anything only his work details. His family & children have nothing to do with him. I suspect in time this is going to end badly. I am no longer in contact with her by my own choosing. Some women are sadly very foolish or simply desperate to be in a relationship

[@danpro4519]

Can we get a round of applause for Marie and her bravery for getting this guy locked up? 👏

[@averagejoe1773]

I know a guy right now, been in and out of prison since he was 16 now 32. He's on parol fo second degree murder. He did ten years. When he got out of prison he had a little over 20 grand cash. Practically brand new vehicle given to him. All the the stuff a person would need. He got involved with this church shortly after being imprisoned. They supported him the whole way through. When he got out completely took care of him, got him a job making $27 an hour... Fast forward year-and-a-half into his parole.... He's currently sitting in jail with about 29 aggravated charges... For Robbie 89 year old women that he went to church with him.. no he isn't on drugs or alcohol... He's just one of them pl. No matter how much you help them.. you're nothing more than a stepping stepping stone to use

[@bobs5596]

maybe jail should be a torture chamber where you do a month, get out, and never commit another crime...

[@alexander9264]

It's crazy that he was only given a 10 year sentence, not a full length term or DP afterwards. Once somebody murders like this, I don't there's any chance of rehab.

[@patricebetts6531]

Canadian sentencing. Not sure if they have soft justice as is often found in the UK.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

@@patricebetts6531 it’s definitely softer than in the US - a 10 year sentence for strangling a woman to death should have meant life, period. I have no doubt that the fact she was a sex worker and this happened in the 1970s played into that pathetic sentence.

[@notaclue822]

Typical of the Canadian justice system. Im canadian btw.

[@singed8853]

Correct. You do this type of crime and you need to be locked up for life or until you are elderly and frail.

[@scottfamily5963]

@@patricebetts6531 very common in the USA too. Lighter and lighter sentences, especially if a person is violently sexually assaulted, physically or sexually abused as a child no matter the harm done, so much real abuse ignored or a pat on the back sentence, or left for dead but doesn't die.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

That poor woman. She made a living because people were Interested in reading her perspective. She was insightful enough to have that career. It’s too bad that she couldn’t use any intelligence or objectivity when it came to protecting herself from this monster

[@MrStringybark]

Her targeting Morgan as a future spouse has the same potential for happiness as a middle-aged man on $25,000 a year targeting a young foreign sex worker so as to settle down and have children.

[@Koozomec]

​@@MrStringybark exactly, spot on !

[@DroneStrike1776]

This is why you don't see me support the BLM or Hispanic/Latino movement. As an Asian person, who do you think that was the most racist towards us Asians? It got worse because of C19. I witnessed enough hatred from them while growing up in the inner-city to know better that their movement was all BS.

[@JBplumbing12]

As a forensic clinician working in the prison system I found it interesting that such violent prisoners received so much fan mail from women and had so many women come to visit them on visiting days. The most violent prisoners actually had groupies, and had cardboard boxes full of fan mail, photos and love letters from women. But female prisoners received no fan mail and few if any male visitors. I find it interesting that men are not attracted to female criminals, but lots of women are attracted to male criminals. It is also interesting that the women attracted to male criminals are mostly smarter than the criminals they are attracted to.

[@mikehoben7341]

@@JBplumbing12 Alot of theories abound about why that is and personally I believe these women are attracted to the fame/notoriety of the prisoner. That prisoner , in a way, is high status and evokes an excited reaction these women wouldn’t get from a normal dating partner.

[@SkySpiral8]

I think people who fall in love with criminals tend to be the “pick me” type. Their ego gets boosted by the idea that they are so special, clever or lovable that THEY can fix the criminal when no one else can.

[@alsmith9853]

Good point

[@securityscorpion8687]

I guess. I can't figure it.

[@pnwlady]

People in prison have lots of time to write letters. Some people are easy marks. Attention is all it takes.

[@scottfamily5963]

Sometimes it is more about thinking of the child in the man, the one that was broken. They are broken very early (most) if not born that way (few) and in preschool they may already show signs and around age ten or eleven they may show clear signs of being narcissistic or psychopathic that they have lost contact with any true goodness, that the default is to lie, con, and manipulate. It is very difficult beyond that point, I think it would require some type of lobotomy or chemical interference to change them. Teachers and principals can recognize that child throughout their schooling. Some narcissists toy with them.

[@virginiaviola5097]

@@scottfamily5963 it *is* possible with a child to turn that around, if you catch it early.. before puberty. *But* it is damn hard work, and it has to be done with endless patience and love. And it needs to be continued until the child matures enough to start recognising those traits in themselves and taking charge of their own behaviour. And only a mother can do it.

[@e1m137]

Not sure why people believe they’ll be the magic exception, not everyone can or wants to be rehabilitated. She deserved better.

[@michael-m]

Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Well said

[@nickyblue4866]

She had better. She lefr him for a killer. She got what she deserved

[@amber40494]

Thank you Dr. Grande for clarifying that loving someone and romance will not turn a psychopath into a virtuous person. My sister is on her 3 rd marriage, yet again to another addict. She even admitted this guy is her "project". Our father was a narcissist and even though she was his favorite child, he neglected and verbally abused her like he did the rest of us.

[@noplacelikehomecrochet5335]

I wish more monsters would be so considerate as to contract a deadly disease!

[@Dulcimertunes]

Since the government is useless

[@martinasikk6162]

Sadly they spread the diseases to their sex partners.

[@phoenixrises1311]

Sometimes we make ourselves the victim..

[@Dulcimertunes]

Yes!

[@manichairdo9265]

Well no but we can place ourselves in vulnerable situations.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Dr. Grande, this story reminds of something you said a long time ago in one of your videos, regarding the selection of romantic partners: “It is not about polishing a pearl, but rather finding the perfect pearl.” I think this case highlights your insight very well. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.❤

[@melaniewut]

Which video?

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@melaniewut I can’t remember. I have watched all his videos and they are many. I would say it’s a not a true crime video but rather an old one.

[@erikamccarthy1457]

3/22/23 DV doesn’t stop, was a part of every relationship. The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior!! I can’t stand when people say I’ll change him “NOT”! Nobody can change anyone! Louise, rip💜

[@Catlily5]

Only they can change themselves. Thinking you can change someone else is having a big ego. Your chances are almost non-existent.

[@npcperson2158]

She broke up with a good man to be with a killer.

[@Catlily5]

@@npcperson2158 Or at least a better man.

[@erikamccarthy1457]

@@Catlily5 3/23/23 Agree 💯

[@erikamccarthy1457]

@@ToyotaGuy1971 9/2/23/ People who display DV usually don’t stop! They escalate and She can’t change anyone unless that’s what there looking for or wanting. You don’t start dating someone & think they won’t Hit me I can change Him! Most cases heightened w/drugs, alcohol. Usually ending badly 💔💜

[@bromack3]

This is not the first and only incident of a female professional type associated with the criminal business finding herself killed by the guy she wanted to help. I don't understand why women do crazy stuff like this. I would never assoicate with them and I am a man.

[@nickyblue4866]

They think they can save these predators. The men exploit this.

[@jewelianwest2324]

It's not the women, it's the men who are predictors, you've just been lucky you're not his type

[@Koozomec]

Hibristophilia i guess. Some men can experience it too.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Guys have a similar condition, playing Captain Savaho.

[@tallblonde1976]

Remember Norman Mailer and his prison rescue - I think the name was Jack Abbott.? Mailer thought he had found a true artist but he turned out to be a loser psychopath who killed an innocent man.

[@Meenadevidasi]

Sometimes people make pets out of wild animals. They can dress them up or train them to act in certain ways, But the internal nature of the creature is still the same. The pet seems fine until something sets them off.

[@chriswhite2151]

Like pit bulls 😂

[@virginiaviola5097]

@@chriswhite2151 like chimpanzees.

[@kittyhazes5741]

Chimpanzees are cute, but they will F you up

[@cecilyerker]

Media often glorifies this dynamic and it pops up often in crime shows and movies like Silence of the Lambs. If you love someone but they are abusing you, YOU MUST LEAVE. You cannot ever make anyone else change. If they want to change and are motivated and able to change, then you can help them. But when they become violent, cut all contact forever.

[@nadiaromantini8836]

The relationship between Clarice and Lecter was purely professional tho. Hardly the same at all

[@judybrown7601]

Abusers can't changed. Just get away don't listen to anything they say. Just get away.

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

Clarice and Hannibal had a wayyyyy different relationship. He taught her about herself. It was a beautiful story in a way.

[@farmalmta]

@@nadiaromantini8836 No it wasn't. The film feeds the naivete of women who pursue murderers. Lector suggests to Clarice that if he were to give up killing people would she join with him. She says she won't, but it's implied that her commitment to law and the FBI is the only thing preventing her from doing so. These murderer-idealizing women are sitting there going, "oh, look! I'd say yes so I can save him, save society, and feel so special and valued that a man will change everything just for the chance to be with lovely MEEEEEEE!"

[@susan0208]

The saying “What the heart wants, the heart wants” comes to mind. Once Louise let herself get involved with him, her heart (emotions) took over. It’s difficult to be objective when it’s your heart that’s the one entangled with the wrong person. Guarding one’s heart sometimes is considered to be putting up barriers so you don’t get involved. I’d rather be considered paranoid than deceased.

[@jamesf8507]

What an incredibly unprofessional and honestly braindead move on her part

[@nixm9093]

We are responsible for and need to be in control of our own feelings. Saying "what the heart wants", like we have no choice in it, is handing responsibility for your feelings to another person. Not smart.

[@thelogicaldanger]

Reforming someone who writes bad checks and steal from other people....yeah, that can be done. Reforming someone who murdered 1, and most likely 3 women, at the time Louise took him into her home? No, I don't think a serial killer like that will be reformed, and in the rare case that they are, then such a killer would understand why it would be appropriate to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

[@kathleenking47]

They have death penalty for a reason😢

[@notaclue822]

I especially like your last point.

[@caxsmith]

I disagree. A person who writes bad checks and steals from other people cannot be reformed by you. They can reform - but only on their own.

[@cyndigooch1162]

TheLogicalDanger I totally agree with your excellent points, even though many others wouldn't in regard to the first one due to the once a criminal, always a criminal mindset, which is to be expected. Mind you, some of them seem to lack empathy for the individual's circumstances, or even the desperation, that can lead to people to committing crimes in order to survive. I want to add that I'm thinking that the extremely popular, not to mention intelligent, self-confessed narcissistic psychopath, HG Tudor, would agree that you're correct as well, which is saying something. 😊

[@BelleOfAmherst]

Thank you, Dr. G for covering another important case that will teach people they cannot help everyone. If there’s smoke, there’s fire. 🚩Young ones, please pay attention. Do not waste your precious time. 💗

[@leftylibber]

You are so right Dr. Grande, a therapist should never be the significant other of a psychopathic murderer.

[@claudinejames7731]

Thank you for telling us about these crimes. I married a man when I was very young and I didn't know he had been a youth offender and had done time in Lethbridge Canada. His mother let me know about it after we were married. He told me a few stories about people who had died, friends of his. Very early in that marraige he seriously beat me up. Worse than any of that was when our daughter was 9 years old I caught him naked in bed with her. That was the day I told him to leave. Now it has been almost 40 years since that day. Today I am writing a letter to warn the mother of my great grandaughter who was born a few months ago. I hope she will take the information I send to her seriously. Iwarned her of everything and told her never to leave her little daughter alone with him. I'm ashamed of how stupid I was all those years. I admit he was an advanced human who is incredibly good at manipulating others, lying, grooming and forcing them into keeping secrets in order for him to deceive. Still I must have the courage to write to her and try to stop these crimes from continuing in the family through another generation.I remarried many years after my children grew up. I have a good husband now. I've moved away from Canada. I wish I had been able to bring that bad man to justice but it was not possible. My daughters were loyal to their incestuous father. I understand. I have learned that is because it is difficult for children to understand when their abuser is their own Dad. Thanks Dr. Grande for making people more and more aware of how crime works to destroy people and their families. Hopefully with information and knowledge like you provide we will all be able to protect ourselves and others from crime.

[@sampletext9455]

Marie is a badass and a hero

[@azjoe_6310]

Having worked in the state prison for 29 years--5 in a position where I had to scan incoming mail--I could write a book about prison romances. Mysteriously there was a lot of love letters to murderers from Europe and Australia. One inmate that received such letters killed a man to see what it felt like, then murdered another in the county jail. If these women "with limited choices in men" would put out the same effort on the streets as they do with writing inmates in prison--they could easily find romance where it would benefit them.

[@Dulcimertunes]

Will women begin romances with Alex Murdaugh?

[@azjoe_6310]

@@Dulcimertunes Right????

[@martinasikk6162]

Must have been an interesting job, you learn a lot about human psyche. 🇸🇪

[@azjoe_6310]

@@martinasikk6162 I could have written a book on it all.

[@virginiaviola5097]

There’s a lot wrong with Australian men.. that could go some way to explaining it? Or perhaps the writers are just fishing for a Green Card.

[@louisquatorze9280]

Can't re-habilitate someone who was never habilitated to begin with. Poor John.

[@59Gretsch]

For a lot of people there seems to be this attraction For being a redeemer of another person in a romantic relationship. Guys often do you think they’re gonna make a good girl out of a gogo dancer and women gravitate towards troubled men.

[@shroomyk]

I feel very sad for Louise. She tried to see the good in someone who didn't deserve it, and I know how that feels from my younger years when I was more naïve. Marie is a boss for manipulating him back into prison where he belongs.

[@erinmccutcheon3751]

Louise tried to find the goodness in this wretched world.

[@bobx6565]

Perfect example of truth being stranger than fiction. I am sure there are people who insist he was wrongly convicted, framed by a corrupt system.

[@lynnpurcell5225]

Very sad story. Too bad hep C didn't take him sooner.

[@tommccormick9290]

This piece of work got only 10 years for strangling someone. It seems Canada's justice system is as screwy as England's. Let violent criminals out of prison and disarm the citizenry.

[@silverhorder1969]

As I was healing from shoulder surgery a few years ago I watched a lot of Investigation Discovery true crime shows. I was amazed by how many people lost their lives by helping, or attempting to help someone.

[@gradyjones9678]

Oh No I haven't even watched the video yet. This was the strangest. saddest case. My dating advice would be, its probably best not to fall romantically for a convicted killer. Even a convicted killer who is 'innocent". Not worth the risk of ending up the same way. And Wow The PI who helped convict this guy should get an award for bravery.

[@Catlily5]

Or convicted s.assaulters. My mom tried this.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

There must be some psychological divide between women who love bad boys and those who run a mile from them. Older now, but I wouldn’t ever have considered contacting a prisoner convicted of any crime, let alone letting a murderer move in and lending him money. So awful what happened to that poor, naive woman.

[@MR-cb7pe]

I’ve done that. It’s an odd combination of overconfidence and low self esteem. Seeing yourself as a good enough person to help the worst people, and seeing yourself as unworthy of someone decent. Never again.

[@cyndigooch1162]

Little Cat Feet It's usually related to unhealed childhood trauma issues though and I'm too tired to elaborate now. 😊

[@ВячеславКолесниченко-х6м]

This is because you’re growing older. It’s normal.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

@@ВячеславКолесниченко-х6м to some extent, but I avoided these types from when I was a teenager, and a friend of mine who’s 65 still thinks she can reform these men despite that never having worked out before. A couple of commenters mentioned self-esteem and childhood abuse as a reason to be a bad boy/man magnet and I agree. A pattern of relationships with them shows them picking men who remind them of a childhood abuser in the hopes that this man will love them and the old damaging script can be written. I also had childhood abuse but was terrified of my abusers so I ran a mile from anyone who resembled them. In my rewritten script I’d be free. So we’re all looking for some way to rewrite the past I guess.

[@lisasmith7]

Many moons ago I believed I could fix men. It was a toxic trait. I couldn't. I got out of the saving business.

[@virginiaviola5097]

Most of us do. Eventually.

[@lisasmith7]

@@virginiaviola5097 I got out when I was 22. He was very cruel.

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

Same here, I was a very slow learner!!

[@alex.tagspot]

"Marie said when Brett kissed her she became nauseated, which for this vomit enducing monster, I'm sure is an average date." 😂😂😂 May Louise RIP, regardless of her poor judgment. And remember friends, a leopard doesn't lose its spots overnight 💯 Thank you for the new video, Dr Grande! Much love from WV 🏔️ 💙 💛

[@jamesf8507]

I pray that one criminal - obsessed women learns from this stupid stupid lady's story. So incredibly brainless and preventable

[@traceyarnaud8433]

He can always make me laugh no matter how bleak the tale being told! 😄

[@tinamccann8968]

Hats off to Marie!! She risked her life and possibly saved other women from a similar bad fate, and brought some justice for the victims of this thoroughly bad man. Thank you, Dr. Grande, your analysis shed light on the mistakes of one woman and the good works of another --- what an excellent episode!!

[@Alice-ui9oy]

I think it's worth putting effort into rehabilitating people who have violent/antisocial/destructive thoughts and urges. But once actually acted upon, and a line is crossed, there is no turning back. There is ALWAYS going to be the possibility they could do it again. Dealing with them is playing Russian roulette.

[@jaye8872]

Don’t bring them home

[@lmiller1413]

​@jaye8872 for sure.

[@cyndigooch1162]

Alice That's exactly right and I used to attend AA and NA meetings and, obviously, many of the members, including women, have caused immense harm to people in the past, which some are still capable of doing! You might know that the perception is that doing the 12-steps magically changes everyone, which isn't the case at all, hence why I ended up leaving and I'll leave out the rest of the details. 🙁

[@Alice-ui9oy]

@@cyndigooch1162 Thanks for sharing your insights

[@martinasikk6162]

I agree 100%

[@DigitalNeb]

Man, that is a rough, "I told you so."

[@susanhill149]

That is a cautionary tale right there.

[@michelleloveday6929]

Wow. Can't believe he got such a light sentence for the first homicide. He had a real chip on his shoulder. What a freaking jerk. Great story Dr. Grande. You are so well loved by everyone who watches you. I honestly think your fans are just crazy about you, regardless of the topic. Lol

[@jodybrown4956]

Brett needs hot slug of led directly between eyes sooner would have been for the better 100% success rate 0 %recitativsm.

[@damianlopez7630]

He's not a jerk. HE IS A DEMON. HE IS A MONSTER.

[@notyourdamnbusiness8795]

different times.....sex workers kinda "had it coming" kinda sentiment. probably some BS excuse along the way: she liked it rough and it went overboard. and there you go.

[@DroneStrike1776]

Canada is a liberal country. They have this mindset that people can be reformed very easily. Look what reform is doing in SF, LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. Canada is now seeing a rise in crime lately, caused by migrants from Somalia. Same with UK, Sweden, Germany, and France. Sweden is now the R capital of Europe since Afghans migrated by the hundreds of thousands. White women in the eyes of their culture should be used as usable objects. Not my words, words of convicted R's caught in Sweden. This is what happens when you think majority of people can be good. Humans are not natural good, we are taught from an early age to be good. Without direction, we are pretty evil. Just look at the youth of Chicago, SF, LA, and NYC. Single parents not giving the time to raise their kids properly.

[@user-xg3uy6hq9g]

speak for yourself, he sometimes has interesting perspectives. he is not ithout obvious flaws.

[@lesjohn534]

"It didn't take long for Louise to realize that she may have made a mistake in selecting a killer as a lover..." One of Dr Grande's little home truth gems. They come in one liners, but they pack a big punch.

[@Irene-gq4jr]

Speaking from experience... in 2000 I got entangled with a guy whose mother I knew (nice enough lady, apart from the bit where she didn't warn me about her son). He'd been in prison and I thought it was for selling weed. Think Trainspotting, Edinburgh, where I lived at that time: I knew someone who fitted every character in the book/movie, so that didn't seem that bad to me. When the 'honeymoon' period was over he proceeded to terrorize me for the thankfully short duration of a few months before I managed to escape him, mostly physically unscathed, albeit one time he nearly killed me by strangulation. Turned out it was violent assault of an ex, biting her about the face and body. I was nearly physically sick when I discovered what he'd actually done. Oh I thought I was so smart and knew how to play the game. Did I chuff, and I learned the hard way. The mental scars are still healing over 20 years later. I'm not saying everyone who has been in prison is irredeemable, but I'd never entertain that again. There was a happy ending (for me, fuck him and who cares) though: through years of analysis of my own naive ways I got my shit together and finally got with the right guy. If anyone else has been through this kind of thing, know that life can be good.

[@ashlaraque4135]

It is so bizarre hearing one of my favorite KZbinrs talk about the body that was dumped in the same park that I hike in every weekend😭 makes me never wanna go back there WTF

[@DTMJR1987]

Never understood why some women actively engage with convicted murderers in prison. Can't imagine it ends well when they're paroled

[@colegw9093]

‘Love can certainly be a motive for a violent person to reoffend.” Wow, thanks Dr G.

[@susansandler8429]

Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. It’s hard enough to change ourselves; it is naive and somewhat arrogant to think we can change others.

[@magdam8290]

He was her type: tall, dark, sociopathic

[@samanthagrave1964]

I've been listening a long time, i started because I was with a person with bpd and you helped me understand, youve shifted focus since then and I've followed along, happily, and because it's been so long, with all love, I've got to say it makes me smile each time you say 'speculating'. Oh and you are so funny 😀

[@sandym6352]

It is really hard out there trying to find a suitable, decent partner. I'm not quite at the "think I'll pick a convict" stage though . . . .

[@virginiaviola5097]

Do you really need a partner tho? Life I have found is just so much simpler with a cat for company.

[@TheCatBilbo]

Some women definitely has a 'saviour complex': others are warning them not to get involved, the person is toxic, dangerous, whatever, but the woman disregards them all. She thinks that she can 'save' someone, even when all previous attempts have failed. It can happen & things work-out, but there are some tragic results.

[@mikelobrien]

This is a particularly striking example of delusional thinking on the part of the victim, but how many times do any of us give someone "the benefit of the doubt" when deep down inside we know we're taking a serious risk. Would this be considered "magical thinking" on the victim's part? I'm really glad that the second woman didn't get murdered by Morgan when she assisted the police...one brave lady there!

[@gradyjones9678]

" Brett found other ways to get in trouble " Classic

[@youtubeis...]

Thank you Dr, This presentation made me realize I had made the right yet difficult decision to not restart a relationship with a certain person who left me for another, criminal man who used to be my friend.

[@nickyblue4866]

Dang how could anyone have seen this coming?!

[@marlinfisher2529]

Dear Dr Grande, as they say a leopard does not change its spots. It's sad that she did not take his criminal history seriously. He was likely charming and engaging when on the make. But that Louise did not run when he first became violent cost her her life. An excellent analysis teaching us again to be extra careful regarding individuals with a history of violent behavior. Kind regards and many thanks for your show.

[@jaye8872]

This is so common in relationships ; people fixing.

[@WhiteUnicorn82]

I would never have thought this channel, with such a format, would be as popular as it is. It certainly interests me, but seeing so many others with such an interest - in terms of "KZbin popularity", (what a metric, but a solid one, for sure!) - isn't what I expected, certainly when considering the usual quality of conversations I have, here!

[@WhiteUnicorn82]

It's not clear at all, but I meant to at least suggest some praise of this channel - the good doctor keeps it simple while delving into complicated topics and the humour - welcome little Easter eggs - is just my cup of tea 👍 good job, doc!

[@Strype13]

How does one blatantly strangle a sex worker and end up merely indicted for manslaughter? Did he claim it was an accident during "rough sex" and they didn't have the evidence to prove otherwise? That's the only feasible route I can think of that would allow him to avoid the murder conviction he should've been dealt. Had this been a wife/girlfriend, I highly doubt this would have played out this way. Unfortunately, our justice system doesn't place any value on the lives of sex workers and/or drug addicts which opens up the path for nonsense like this. The wackjob should've been locked up for life a long time ago... and these other lives would have been spared.

[@schizophrantic]

This is Canada run by liberals who value criminals' lives more than their victims.

[@sbrooke210]

@@schizophrantic I think it's more likely that it was because it was the 70s, not the politics of the country

[@ForestGirlTeresa]

Yes, sex workers just struggle to make a living like the rest of us. I hate seeing them classed as secondary human beings.

[@olilumgbalu5653]

They give even lighter sentences today.

[@LetItBeSummer-1]

Why have I not heard of this case? I’m Canadian from Ontario. Now I will have to look it up! Thx Dr Grande

[@rebekahdavis5935]

I appreciate the last part of your final thoughts on this and that Marie is a badass, damn!

[@kamencic]

It's bonkers they gave him a possibility of parole after 25 years after all he has done.

[@wadetisthammer3612]

3:35 to 3:55 - "That probably wasn't good for John's self-esteem." 😅

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

The story of the scorpion and the frog in real life. She was as sick as he was.

[@JordanLibbyVideos]

Would love to hear your opinion about Renae Marsden catfishing case. Very tragic and infuriating.

[@StubbyLegz]

When “I can fix him” goes terribly wrong.

[@doctorajaguar]

"A vomit inducing villain" omg Dr. Grande, I almost spat out my coffee 😂

[@martinasikk6162]

Me too !

[@sandrazed6089]

I remember this story. Happened here in Ottawa. David Milgard was a miscarriage of justice in Canada. I encourage others who don't know this story to look it up. Louise went missing, Brett was on the media indicating he knew nothing about it. He was guilty of her murder. She was found in the hills in Gatineau Quebec, just across from Ottawa. I recalled thinking why on earth would this educated woman be involved with a murderer? Interesting you did this home town story. Great summary of what actually happened, Dr. Grande.

[@sarabrant723]

I love your videos! I have learned so much from your videos over the past few years! Thank you for making videos for us we love them!!❤

[@Kimberly63]

The only thing that excites me more about seeing a new Dr. Grande video, is anticipating a potential new New Jersey joke!

[@BelleOfAmherst]

How to make a despicable person even more so… insatiable greed.

[@karlad4082]

If a man gets violent with you before marriage, what makes women think they’ll get better after marriage? 🧐

[@RobinaRavencrow]

It occurs to me as if that man would have received a much higher sentence in the first place if the first woman he killed wasn't a sex worker but a well respected member of society. Not only are sex workers poorly protected and oftentimes not taken seriously when reporting a crime they were the victim of, but also being harmed at that job, like assaulted, beaten, robbed, or killed, seems to be considered occupational hazard one should be aware of when "choosing" this line of work ("choosing" because many people working as sex workers only do so because they are under the impression of not actually having another choice). In this respect committing a crime against a sex worker is more likely to be viewed as accidental, or at least not as serious as committing the same crime against someone working in a less dangerous occupation, like hunting grizzly bears, or defusing bombs.

[@cyndigooch1162]

Robina Ravencrow That's exactly right and I always defend sex workers, especially to the men who despise them, yet believe that it's okay to use women for sex without paying whenever possible, but women aren't "allowed" to do so. 😠

[@Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52]

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." -Maya Angelou

[@ZYX84]

Hello Dr.Grand🧩e. Very good to see you. I do look forward to your stories & analysis. You manage to fill in the gaps & find nuances in the crimes that get overlooked. Thank you Doc. It is always a pleasure to listen and learn from you.❤

[@emilyk9388]

Should loved ones use reverse psychology when a person is in a situation like this? I’m definitely guilty of getting defensive and saying, “you just don’t know him!” …. and then eating my hat later. I have eaten so many hats.

[@damianlopez7630]

Then try dating good men instead of being attracted to scum.

[@JustAnAverageWoman69]

The best we can do is learn from our mistakes and try not to repeat them. Sometimes we repeat them anyway, unfortunately.

[@McSmooth5150]

​@The Wraith I feel you man. My dump truck just pulled up.

[@powlperc]

Eaten three hats…Finally learned.

[@tod3msn]

I wish it could be avoided but sometimes people cannot be saved from themselves. Louise seemed to be a idealistic and naive about the weaknesses of people. It seemed obvious that Brett could only be a criminal and immediately resumed a life of crime upon release of prison eventually stealing from Louise. I think had Louise listened to her own commonsense she would have been better off. RIP.

[@eoinoconnell185]

Another Darwin Award participant. If I choose to eat lunch with a lion in the hope I can persuade it to adopt a vegan lifestyle, it should come as no surprise to me if I'm on the menu. Tragic, though it may be, I find it difficult to feel sorry for her. We're all human and make mistakes in life, but moving in with a known killer is a special category of bonehead ideas. At some point you just have to throw your hands up and say ''Well what did she expect to happen ?''.

[@craigfinnegan8534]

I couldn't have said it better. The other comments all seem like understatements by comparison. The only thing I can add to it is that there's a human phenomenon that deserves to be called "para-suicide" - something that applies to both cases like this one as well as "accidental" overdoses by long-term drug abusers. The common perspective is that these are all innocent mistakes, even though every "bridge out" sign is passed by the "driver."

[@Hummingbirds2023]

The old story, you knew I was a snake when you let me in... As it wraps around her body and crushes the life out if her.

[@videoettaceo8900]

Smug. Good luck!

[@trishemerald2487]

I remember when this happened (in my home town). I wasn't shocked that it turned out to be him, let's just say.

[@Dulcimertunes]

In 1996 a man brutally murdered both his parents in a Chicago suburb. There were too many puncture wounds on his mom to be counted. He was on parole after serving 19 years for a murder which the victim’s friend heard over the phone as he committed it. I truly believe these people are mentally disturbed and unredeemable.

[@las8883]

Horrible. Did he have a motive for killing his parents? I agree with that that many violent offenders are lost causes and deserve to be locked up and away from society forever.

[@notaclue822]

I remember the David Millgard case. It was a horrible injustice. He was put away for over 20 years but was innocent and quite a lot of people knew it.

[@TeaCup1940]

This is the justice system in Canada. In the US, he would have gotten life in prison without the possibility of parole from the start.

[@alonsoquijano6749]

Hi, Dr. Grande. Could you please analyze the case of the Stanford Law School protest? That would be great to analyze.

[@walpoleandworcester]

Perfect videos to watch late at night. Thanks for another great one Dr. Grande!

[@justineparsons1063]

There has not been one video of yours that I have not enjoyed 🌻

[@carlyrennae3963]

Wooohoooo workeeee Grande time....thanks Dr G ....i was working too hard just now 😂😂😂

[@daveatkins3568]

My sympathy for fools is limited. There are too many people who have bad things happen that they didn’t invite on themselves. 😎✌🏼

[@danamiceart]

Great video. I can't believe that P.I. went into the woods with him, TWICE. Scary

[@Koozomec]

Tragic, obvious, avoidable, sensless. Thank you Dr Grande for this daily report about human condition. I try to remenber this : beware of what we want., nobody can save us from our own desire.

[@caliblue2]

I used to get in the relationship then figure the person out. Failed miserably every single time. You figure out the person THEN decide if they are for you. Remember whatever they would do to someone else they will eventually do to you. Without fail.

[@JohnGlen502]

Yep. Now you can teach that to your kids, and anyone else who will listen.

[@wokeness420]

This is something that happens all the time to a lesser degree. Women leave good men for bad men but then when they realize their mistake they want to run back to the good guy. But until what? Another bad boy comes along? Or they get themselves strangled and wrapped up in a shower curtain? I would just as soon be alone than deal with these broken women.

[@melfreemans]

"Mr Snake why did you do that? Now I will surely die!" "You knew what I was when you picked me up."

[@TheBonyLevi]

I saw this story about a decade ago. It put an end to a lot of my silly ideas about new age crap. I had a tumultuous childhood and was greatly given to magical thinking but thanks to stories like this I woke up.

[@nicolelittle6429]

I really want to know what happened to Marie! I wonder if she decided to become a cop, or if she gave up on the whole notion of getting involved with criminals in any way. She sounds like a really interesting person!