Writing Fiction, Overcoming Depression, and Ben Shapiro Becoming Christian (Andrew Klavan)

[@pintswithaquinas]

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[@OliveMule]

Ben Shapiro will become a crypto Jew unless he goes to R.C.I.A reeducation camp

[@kensmith8152]

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[@kensmith8152]

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[@covertjoy4021]

I am a 30 year old Christian about to begin RCIA tomorrow after leaving a non-denominational “church” … I was also a homosexual transgender woman when I begun my conscious walk with Him. The Lord healed me in a miraculous way and restored the natural affections for women, as well as bringing me home to my manhood. If ever you want me on, I’d love to talk! Praise be to God for this platform.

[@TheJmlew11]

Praise God for the work in your life. Prayers as you continue to journey towards him.

[@WanderingWonderer14]

Praise the Lord🫶🏻

[@NotevenTony]

Glory to Jesus Christ! I’m also ex trans, became Eastern Orthodox. Christ is risen! ☦️

[@HD-Australia]

@@covertjoy4021 Congratulations! May Jesus continue to help you become the person he created you to be. Blessings to you 🙏

[@EricRussell97]

Glory to God!! Best of luck in RCIA! I’m starting it next month also 🙏❤️

[@pintswithaquinas]

I’m excited for y’all to watch my interview with Andrew Klavan. Despite some of the heat he’s been getting in my comments, he was one of the most thoughtful and gracious guests I’ve had the pleasure of interviewing. We didn’t shy away from our disagreements-they’re real, and we went into them at length-but the conversation was, I think, marked by respect and genuine charity. He’s a true gentleman, and I’d gladly have him back on anytime.

[@7707JohnnyGuitar]

I cannot tell you how excited I am for this Mashup. I love both of you brothers dearly.

[@mattmaes]

Thank you Matt. May sanity prevail.

[@rosiegirl2485]

There are "Negative Nancy's" in every crowd! May God bless them with understanding and grace when listening to differing idea's! After all, just maybe you are that other guy!

[@Srvent]

@@pintswithaquinas Klavan is one of my favorite guests you could have possibly had. Thank you!

[@rickygcfo]

Thanks for having him on, I really like Klavan. And thanks also for asking the tough questions, because I have those same disagreements with him, and for his sake he needs pushback.

[@Djamieson713]

It's honestly disgusting how people treat this guy so poorly. He's such a good guy.

[@TomGrossiAndrews]

Christ is King. Im same sex attracted, but through Christ and finding my Idenity in him I no longer hold to that.

[@Dienekes678]

Praise God!

[@petemtodd]

Exactly, your true identity is found in and empowered by the truth himself, Jesus Christ - by faith in his word and submission to his spirit. "But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave >>power to become children of Godof God.died to sin

[@AnthonyBruns]

You are living proof of the transformative power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for your example, God bless.

[@7707JohnnyGuitar]

@@TomGrossiAndrews God bless you. You've been given an extra measure of strength. Keep up the good fight.

[@elizabethmichelin7451]

God Bless you and guide you

[@leovaldez6139]

I got emotional listening to this. I didn't believe that two people with differing opinions and beliefs could disagree with so much honor and respect and love, with tact and grace. I love and appreciate both sides!

[@tylerbertsch5630]

100% Ben should become Christian. All Jews should become Christian to be saved. That's the Catholic position.

[@richardvaldes3959]

The talmud is their position. I encourage you to read it.

[@anthonysimpsonsimpson]

@@tylerbertsch5630 there's 3 different kinds of Christianity. Pauline, Jewish, Jesus.

[@ThatBoomerDude56]

If that's what was required to "be saved" then yeah. But ... not necessarily.

[@gramgram11]

@@ThatBoomerDude56 to be saved? yeah it is required

[@dirtydaveofretford6194]

@@gramgram11 That G scared me lol

[@danielr3127]

Klavan may have some oversights worth addressing (homosexuality and the whole 'Christ is King' dilemma), but having watched over an hour of this, I can say without reservation that this is episode is probably the best I've seen the entire year, and it'd be a damn shame if people refuse to give it a watch simply due to the aforementioned issues. I don't know what it was specifically but hearing him extensively recount his life and love for art was touching in a way I haven't felt in a while. Intellectual deep dives with philosophers are one thing, but for some reason, artists who are uniquely talented, in love with their work, and great in articulating it, speak with a depth that impacts me in ways that other equally intellectual people don't. As he said so simply, "art is an experience", and weirdly enough (and maybe this was just me), I felt that flow through as he was speaking. I don't think a man can make great art and not carry it in strange ways that seep through to others even when he isn't conscious of it or intentionally trying to. Anyways, thanks Matt for allowing me so great an experience to watch a conversation of this caliber at 1am on the dining table by myself lol.

[@Antonio_Serdar]

Klavan is a good man. No need to agree with him about everything, he is a net positive in the culture.

[@danielr3127]

@@Antonio_Serdar agreed

[@jquinnwilson]

I found Andrew Klavan to be deeply thoughtful here, thank you both for the conversation.

[@Brandon.T]

Andrew Klavan and Matt Fradd have had a massive influence on my life over the last 8 years. Thank God for both of these men!

[@sutergirlify]

Amen 💖 one of the best interviews on Pints IMO

[@sarahoftheshire]

Every time I hear someone talk like Klavan does, it deeply frustrates me. He says he doesn’t want to deprive someone of love, but that assumes people can’t be redeemed and grow in virtue. As a homosexual in remission, 10 years ago if you told me I wasn’t allowed to marry a woman and never would, I’d probably want to die. It was central to me. But now, I’m excited by the idea of marrying a man. The decision not to act on homosexuality hurts, but it gets better and sometimes even goes away.

[@Nerjenfer]

@@sarahoftheshire God bless you!

[@JW_______]

@@sarahoftheshire yes, I believe this is true and right. Thank you for sharing.

[@youngKOkid1]

@@sarahoftheshire so did you become attracted to men over time? Were you ever attracted to men while same sex attracted?

[@sarahoftheshire]

@@youngKOkid1 when I was 16 or 17 (for reference I’m 23 now), I decided not date women because I was a new Christian and couldn’t reconcile the two. I’ve always wanted marriage and kids, so that meant men. I didn’t start that decision attracted to men, or not attracted to women. Over time, grew more comfortable with the concept of dating a man, and my attraction grew. The part that surprised me the most is that my desire to date women and my comfort with the idea of dating women disappeared a little under two years ago.

[@Dienekes678]

​@sarahoftheshire thank you for sharing that. I hope you find a lovely Christian man to start a family with, Sarah of the Shire! ❤

[@Optimism_and_Dyslexia]

THRILLED TO SEE THESE GUYS TOGETHER. Both of you have expanded my faith so much. Thx for the awesome get-together 😁

[@Vereglez-d4z]

Loved the conversation. Klavan is truly talented. I enjoyed hearing Matt’s defense of truth and done in an incredibly charitable way. Well done Matt!! Viva Cristo Rey 🇲🇽

[@ciarantiger]

What a wonderful interview. A pleasure to listen to him and you, Matt. God bless you both. Christ is King 👑 May we all strive to be enough.

[@carolinecraig1786]

What a lovely interview! I’m enjoying listening to it. Matt, you’re a great example of being kind while also stating clearly and firmly what you believe about harder topics. Thank you!

[@cjhardy386]

I'm a new catholic who has read one Klaven book. True Crime. I learned so much from this podcast. Thank you gentlemen.

[@UnremarkableMarx]

I've only read True Crime so far. The sex wasn't particularly gratuitous for a gritty thing, which I appreciated. I was crazy about it. Was literally the most intense thriller EVER.

[@fujikokun]

“Acquire the spirit of peace and a thousand souls around you will be saved.” - St. Seraphim

[@NotevenTony]

Gotta love st. Seraphim

[@cristinamz2137]

I love Catholic Lofi. I play it in my class to my students when tgey are doing independent classwork. It calms and focuses them. It's so effective.

[@Nick-w9z]

Loved this conversation. I love Klavan's honesty with having a hard time with certain Catholic beliefs. Love calm and fruitful discussions.

[@caterinadc5567]

Oh, I love that quote Klavan shared from the priest who spoke at the funeral: "I think that when you die, you see the face of God, and if you recognize it you know which way to go." Obviously in one sense that's not literally true (our destination is set at death, and God will collect us to Himself if that's where we're going). But in another sense that seems poetically true: Because whether we recognize the face of God depends on whether we learned to see and love God in this life (for example in loving and serving the poorest), so the disposition of our hearts... y'know, I don't think I can say it better than the poetic way that priest chose. And it cuts to the point of, at least for me, inspiring me to remember that in the end, whether I recited correct words or presented some face or did what I 'thought' I should do performance-wise, doesn't matter. What matters is, did I learn to see Christ in the poor? Did I become like Christ so that I would recognize him and be delighted to go to him? Or did I balk at becoming like Christ and put distance between himself and me in this life, in which case I should assume I'm putting distance between me and him in the next life. (And I should tremble.)

[@bigfoot3763]

You should definitely have Christian Wagner (Scholastic Answers) as a guest. He's super smart and knows a ton about St. Thomas, all of the scholastics, and just theology in general. He's probably the smartest and most knowledgeable Catholic on the internet, and I think your audience would benefit greatly from an interview with him.

[@Dienekes678]

Never heard of him, I'm gonna check Christian out. Thank you!

[@rileypare7946]

Wagner would not even say that about himself lol

[@congmanguy]

All glory and honor to our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏

[@andrewjacobadams]

I respect Klavan as a thinker and parts of his conversion story brought me to tears. That being said, he really drove home for me the degree to which the Catholic Church is necessary for a real obedience to Jesus Christ. God came to earth, taught infallible truths, and established a church to which he gave the charism of infallibility. I must, whether or not I like it or can make sense of it, submit to her, my Lord’s body and bride, on all matters of faith and morals. The truth is real, we can know it, and we must obey it. To reject this is to reject the one who is the truth and continues to communicate it to us and the fitting manner of His church’s magisterial authority. I’ll pray for a deeper conversion for Klavan to see that truth can be known and obeyed.

[@JessicaB-j1g]

2 Tim 4:3 Jesus taught that people will only want to hear what they want to hear. I know that so many prots (mainly non-denom) choose their church based on the pastor’s way of preaching. “If he’s a good enough speaker, then I’ll attend. But if another pastor gets in and speaks in a way I don’t like, then I’ll just leave and find a new church.” My family is currently “church shopping” because they, yet again, dislike their old church’s way of teaching. I converted to the Catholic Church because God made me realize it isn’t about me and what I like and I want to hear. Even during my confirmation I didn’t agree with major Catholic dogmas like purgatory and Mary, but I submitted anyway. God softened my heart to those issues and I believe in them now, but only because I kept my heart receptive to them.

[@Konxovar0]

He sounds, to me, like a man who doesn't feel like he has forever to live and is at peace with that and with God. God bless him, and you for this interview. I love Andrew Klavan.

[@colleenlongua9752]

My two favorite podcasters together in one episode!!!

[@SteeleUrMom556]

Same!

[@tomhammond89]

I've definitely got my discrepancies with Mr. Klavan (just a heads up there are in fact no E's in Klavan). But I've enjoyed a lot of his talks in the past and am looking forward to this interview.

[@sercastamere9853]

Cool man

[@HungryJay]

Andrew Klavan is amazing. He lived with joy and broad-mindedness , but is still faithful to the Gospels. We're lucky to count him among the Christian faithful.

[@docverit2668]

Not faithful to the Gospels as all need to be by being a member of Christ's One and Only True Church. If you truly care for Klavan, pray for his ultimate conversion to Catholicism.

[@NotBlandBlandina]

Should have his son Spencer on, brilliant guy!

[@kellibuzzard9431]

And one of the most humble, kind people. I know him personally. ❤

[@UnremarkableMarx]

Spencer, is unreal, I love him, his show, and his writing! He is such a luminary. I hope people won't scandalize him in a way that's unfair though, should he go on a Christian podcast. I hope people will just be willing to pick his brain and leave it there. Because even this comment section is giving Andrew the whole "Christ is King" struggle session. I think he was unfair to Candace. But it's water under the bridge, I just don't care.

[@caterinadc5567]

Wow! This was great. I really appreciate both what Klavan brought and what Matt brought to the conversation. Thank you to both men for sharing your sincerity and time with us. 🙏

[@JW_______]

I'd love to see Canadian, Catholic author Michael O'Brien on Pints. His books Plague Journal and Eclipse of the Sun are deeply religious and deeply philosophical. He has some interviews and speaches available to view on KZbin. His book A Cry of Stone broke my heart and made me believe the Catholic doctrine of redemptive suffering for others.

[@rosiegirl2485]

I thought that you were referring to Michael O'Neill at first. Whose story I would love to hear! He investigates all the apparitions and miracles in the Catholic Church. He is known as "The Miracle Hunter!" I need to familiarize myself with Michael O'Brian. Thank you, and God bless you! 🙏

[@Musingnotes]

One of his books is on my book club list. I’ve never read him before, so now I’m excited!

[@johnthequiet7042]

I second this!

[@tonyl3762]

Kudos to you for bringing up celibacy for the sake of the kingdom. Didn't show up in the clip you released but was nice to see it show up in full conversation. Didn't quite get to the heart of sex and happiness but was still important.

[@kimfleury]

I don't understand why anyone would give flak for having Andrew Klavan on. That's just rude, and not becoming of Christians. I disagree with Mr. Klavan insofar as religion and some politics, but I'm a revert to the Catholic Church, and believe you me: it was the rude Catholics that shoved me out for a really long time. But it's also the rude Protestants that ensured I would never be Protestant. I literally got beat up as a child for being Catholic, and thought I would never leave the Faith, until I moved to a different area of the US, and when I wanted to have my baby baptized, I found out I was attending the wrong parish. I hadn't even known that I lived in a different parish, because I didn't know the church I was supposed to be going to even existed. So I went to that parish one Sunday, and the people were so rude. I honestly felt like I had entered a witches coven. It was a weird church building, really small, and when I approached to receive Communion, the man behind me pushed me aside, and nobody would let me approach. The priest returned to the altar without looking at me. It was so embarrassing. So I left, and didn't return until I moved back home. I did have my baby baptized, but only because the priest at my family's parish in my hometown advised my mother to bring my baby there the next time I would return home for a visit. So just remember that when you treat people like dirt, they won't find your religion appealing.

[@kellibuzzard9431]

Amen. ❤

[@derek4412]

This is so dissimilar to my expereince at dozens of Catholic churches that it's almost hard for me to believe.

[@docverit2668]

Glad you are back home and following the Lord as He commands, but if you allowed rude Catholics to shove you out, then you blamed them for you not loving Jesus enough to not let them persuade you to leave the Truth. Count me as rude if you wish for setting this forth; such is never an excuse for anyone to leave the One True Faith. Any Catholics who treated you poorly are also flat out wrong, but your love for Christ must always overcome whatever anyone does to you. Those who leave the Church because of poor/rude, etc. individual behavior or even some group behavior excuse their lack of faith to something along the following: "I love you Jesus, but Johnny and Jill were mean to me, so to hell with being part of your Church of sinners. I'm out of here,....and it's those rude Catholics to blame." But only the person who leaves the truth and the Truth is to blame.

[@NMemone]

Andrew is pretty much the only fiction writer I deal with nowadays. His writing is terrific! I loved this interview.

[@LauFiu]

This is the most pleasantest of surprises 🎉❤

[@kage239]

Klavan is always the most interesting man in the room

[@lubormrazek5545]

I've never been this pumped about an ep

[@rickygcfo]

I love Klavan , and thanks for asking the tough questions to him too. I hope he converts.

[@colleenlongua9752]

Andrew Klavan and his books have had a tremendous impact on my life. He approaches people and situations with so much grace and love. Can't wait to read Woman Underground.

[@alissarehmert2502]

Wow. This is probably one of my favorite episodes of Pints. THANK YOU, Matt, for standing for the Truth. I applaud you for not backing down.

[@sielaff2112]

It would be extremely fascinating to see you have a discussion with Spencer Klavan about all this stuff.

[@keeganmet257]

I'm about 50 minutes through this conversation, and wow, it's a great one. Good Christian art is so extremely important.

[@JessicaB-j1g]

Christian art is what throttled the west to greatness. God is the greatest artist and when we create art with God in the center, it is worship of our Lord. The further we get from God, the more deranged art becomes because God is no longer the center of it. Even if you look at architecture, it is so boring and bland because we have lost the plot.

[@jennifereileen7557]

I love these long form honest conversations. Andrew Klavan is very honest about his beliefs and I appreciate hearing them. Matt I really appreciate your gentleness in defending our faith.

[@mariachacin557]

Andrew is so interesting and honest. Thank you for sharing your struggle. ❤

[@danielasaro8762]

Christ is King!

[@Hockeytown19]

Yes, He is. Also, Candice Owen’s is a nut bag.

[@milaszczecina5553]

Such a lovely conversation...you guys really compliment eachother xxx

[@ThomasShepard-o9i]

Klavan is a great writer.

[@BSDrumming]

What a podcast. Thank you Andrew for sharing your story. It really means a lot to me in my life at the moment

[@caterinadc5567]

Halfway through, and surprised by what I really appreciate about this interview. (I'm a convert to Catholicism, now Catholic several years.) While of course I believe Catholicism is true and Klavan should enter the fullness of the Church Christ founded, at the same time I REALLY appreciate hearing his perspective as an earnest Protestant who talks about the emphasis of loving the Lord from the angle he sees this from. Our baptized brothers and sisters have still been validly baptized into the body of Christ, whether or not they've fully joined the Catholic Church yet, and God sends His Spirit where He will. And it's a breath of fresh air to hear this conversation and the emphasis on Christ's freedom to act for the good of others beyond the scope of what we can personally do (though we're still called to do what we can). The Catholic Church really is true, and at the same time it's also become a millennia-ancient culture of its own, culturally including people who do not internally profess the faith, and accumulating rituals and side distractions beyond the core of the faith. And I'm not even knocking these rituals (except in those smacked-down but occasional variations which pop up that contradict in some way from the truth of the faith). But it can be so easy to get distracted by even an otherwise good thing, from the core of loving our neighbour. I do recognize in myself an inward-turnedness, becoming more preoccupied with getting things 'technically' right in this way or that way (either striving for this or rebuking myself for not doing this), rather than turning my energies to the concrete care of other people. And I would really love the breath of fresh air to catch us all, to start loving each other in more tangible practice instead of abstract thoughts.

[@docverit2668]

Being baptized is not enough, and Matt showed some class and solid Catholic faith by making this clear. Convert Eric Sammons' excellent book "Deadly Indifference" presents very clear teaching and a call on all Catholics to live up to the evangelization mission that remains in place and will remain in place for all time. It is also perennial teaching that there is no salvation outside the Church no matter how harsh this may appear. Pick up a copy of Sammons' book to see why not pursuing the conversion of all is a shirking of Catholic duty, and why faithful Catholics must never be content with a person just being a Christian and not Catholic.

[@cirenuj8163]

Great podcast! Love Klavan!

[@theeightbithero]

As a homeschooled Christian from the 90 satanic panic, I was taught to shun horror stories. I watched Andrew’s Christmas ghost story video he did for Pj tv. It changed my whole mood towards horror.

[@JustinKring-np1ji]

Man, the comments in this one are rather cringey. Spend less time online you guys.

[@shellytgregory1]

Thank you, Matt. Inspiring.

[@mustlearnmore4884]

It's unfortunate that the proclamation "Christ is King" has been twisted by a minority to be a dig at Jews, and at Klavin in particular because of his statements on the matter. At the same time, I disagree with those who claim that this is why Christians shouldn't use the phrase. Christ IS King, and this good news should (and will) continue to be proclaimed, much as "Merry Christmas" and "God bless you" should (and will) be used in good faith and good will, despite the claims of critics and those that would seek to undermine those phrases. God bless Matt and Andrew, looking forward to watching their conversation here 🙏🏼❤️‍🔥✝️💪🏽

[@colleey4d]

🙌

[@cargopilotguy305]

Do you take issue with the use of the cross as a Christian symbol? Since it’s something of a taunt against Rome/the secular world, I’d expect that you’d have the same issues with the cross as you do with “Christ is king”

[@ZeeroDubs]

Yeah, intent is everything. Christ is definitely king. And I agree that those using it as a combative anti-jew slang essentially should be roundly condemned. They're not just be9ng jerks. They're basically taking the Lords name in vain. As well as painting Christians in a terrible light. It's frustrating. I dont use the phrase often, but not because of it being highjacked. Internet discourse sucks anyways tbh.

[@t.d6379]

CHRIST IS KING!

[@mustlearnmore4884]

@@cargopilotguy305 Did you actually read what I wrote? For convenience: "I disagree with those who claim that this is why Christians shouldn't use the phrase. Christ IS King, and this good news should (and will) continue to be proclaimed."

[@annahitch0]

Interview with Candace about her conversion to Catholicism WHEN Matt??

[@HoradrimBR]

He'll not do it because her enemies will blackmail him (or already did...).

[@annahitch0]

@@HoradrimBR I don’t think Matt would care about that. He’s very open about being good mates with her husband, after all

[@HoradrimBR]

@@annahitch0 yeah, but latelly, after more open and direct confrontation with Shapiro and his tribe, she's banned from "anti woke spaces", as the "woke right" starts to be used as a concept more frequently...

[@Hockeytown19]

She is crazy now.

[@HoradrimBR]

@@Hockeytown19 why? I don't agree with everything she says - she was too ready to believe in Andrew Tate, for example - but the shade over her now seems to be much more related with her position against zionism than anything else. An easy way to be "excluded from the conversation" today is being critical of zionism, btw...

[@therese_paula]

Christ is King! ✝️

[@Hockeytown19]

Yes, He is. Also, Candice Owen’s is a nut bag.

[@ZaShiesty]

Christ is king

[@alternativefactory7190]

I find these intament, honest, long form discussions so interesting for the reason that I can't have these conversations with those I know and love.

[@mariannastevenson9974]

Love Andrew's take on books and politics! What an amazing interview!❤️🙏🏻

[@JessicaB-j1g]

Only 40 minutes in, but hearing Andrew talk about his mental struggles and God healing him really touched a chord. I was a suicidal teen/early 20 year old. I was deep into self harm and eating disorders and genuinely hated myself and life. I struggled for 8 years and was on and off meds and went to therapy. Nothing worked. Then Jesus came into my life through friends and a boyfriend, and I gave my life to Jesus. I want to say I remember the exact moment that all happened, but it was over a course of a few years. Once I started clinging onto Jesus, I forgot about all the pain I was feeling. He took it away from me without me even really doing anything. The only thing I did was decide to abandon my life and Jesus did the rest. It was amazing He heals us and sometimes we don’t even recognize it in the moment because we are too focused on just loving Him.

[@jacquedegatineau9037]

Notifications for a "premier" in 5 days' time is a little obnoxious.

[@SteubenThursday]

You're the one who turned on notifications. Matt didn't hack your computer and do it, so idk why you're complaining to him.

[@rosiegirl2485]

I'm ready now!

[@domanicvaldez]

Why... TV shows notify you 7 days out and then everyday up until they release.

[@alleadonai]

I loved this. Thanks, Matt and Andrew 🤍

[@Carlos-iu6yk]

Great interview, Andrew is a great speaker/guest. Andrew was one of the people who first led me back to Catholicism, and it’s clear he’s struggling with his own journey, hope he finds peace in Christ.

[@kellibuzzard9431]

Is it clear he is?

[@Carlos-iu6yk]

@@kellibuzzard9431he is trying to reconcile two irreconcilable views, which is is what makes it clear to me.

[@JohnMartin023]

I love Andrew Klavan but I agree with you. Like he said in the interview he doesn’t think you can know for sure of your salvation which doesn’t mesh with biblical theology.

[@angieroot7867]

“How do I replay you??” We have so much to be thankful for all the gracious gifts of God.

[@carmendamen1397]

Very Good show Matt.

[@gerddonni2017]

Another great show, I'm so grateful to you, dear Matt! Kindest regards from Switzerland!

[@michaelblanco2668]

I love Klavan and I love this show. Glory to Jesus Christ.

[@kensmith8152]

I had the strangest dream the other night, I dreamed I ate the world’s largest marshmallow. When I woke up, my pillow was gone!!!!!!😂😂😂

[@jkellyid]

I don't follow klavan anymore he was just making exceedingly incorrect assertions about God, the Bible and Christ. But this interview is great. Matt does a most excellent job of stating the obvious truth Andrew has backed away from. Matt has the politeness and the back bone to not lay down in a discourse/conversation.

[@joemendez1511]

I agree with you, and I hope viewers understand that Mr Klavan is not an Anglican theologian or apologist, and does not represent orthodox Anglican teaching.

[@kellibuzzard9431]

Sad interpretation.

[@micaiahwiersma6996]

@joemendez1511 Klavan is not an Anglican. He is an Anglican Catholic. They are two separate denominations, just for clarification. Also, I would agree that he is not a religious scholar, nor does he claim to be. He does not claim to speak for his church. He never has. He gives his personal views of how he, to quote him, "Works out his own salvation in fear and trembling." He has never claimed otherwise. I do not agree with his views specifically on homosexuality, but I do appreciate much of his perspective on the transformative power of the Love of Christ and His Church. His book Truth and Beauty was instrumental in bringing me back to Christ, and I will be eternally grateful to him for his unwavering declaration of the truth of the Gospel.

[@joemendez1511]

The difference is notable. The Anglo-Catholic provinces of the Anglican Catholic Church and the Anglican Province of America are both headquartered here in Georgia, and I myself belong to the Anglican Church in North America. Pints is an amazing channel so I only commented to say that most Anglicans would side with Matt’s firm but loving arguments, whether they be on the reformed, catholic, or evangelical ends of the spectrum.

[@micaiahwiersma6996]

@joemendez1511 Absolutely, I also side much more with Matt in this discussion as an Orthodox Christian. I also always appreciate the general civility and grace that is on display in the comments of his channel. It is a testament to his faithfulness and piety.

[@FedoraMan316]

Matt just gave the most Protestant sounding Catholic answer to the homosexuality question ever.

[@docverit2668]

Great insult of Matt and quite despicable. Matt uses Catholic reasoning. Such does not "sound Protestant" in any way no matter how many particulars may enjoy some similarity. At best would be the opposite whenever a protestant uses Catholic reasoning.

[@verozor911]

Great conversation, those 3 hours felt like 30 mins. There was much respect between both men. I pray that he becomes catholic.

[@declan4874]

1:01:24 “IT’S JEWISH CONFIRMATION”

[@bobjoneswof]

Deafening lol

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Praying for Andrew, Ben, Michael, other Matt, Brett, and you and your family, Matt in my Rosary! And Happy Feast Day of Saint Gerard Majella (patron saint of pregnant women, childbirth, children, mothers, falsely accused people, good confessions, lay brothers, and unborn children)! I prayed to our Lord Jesus for help with healing for those who lost the priceless precious gift of life, and I prayed for Jesus' help with protecting and defending the dignity of life from the moment of conception onward through the intercession of Saint Gerard Mejalla. Was very happy seeing Trump's celebrating Mother Mary's Birthday on September 8th, and also his picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe, considered not only the patroness for the Americas but for the unborn, and I'm praying to Jesus through her intercession to help him, along with Saint Michael to protect him, which he posted the Saint Michael prayer on the Feast Day of the Holy Archangels, St. Michael, St. Gabriel, and St. Raphael, and I prayed to our Lord Jesus through the intercession of Saint Michael, as well as Saint Gabriel and Saint Raphael, to help protect and defend U.S. I believe he's our friend and loves us with the love of Heaven, the love of God, and God entrusted us to Saint Michael, so we can trust he will help us get to Heaven. He will help take care of U.S. 🇺🇸 Bible verses bringing to mind the dignity of life- Isaiah 49:15-16 Can a mother forget her infant, be without tenderness for the child of her womb? Even should she forget, I will never forget you. See, upon the palms of my hands I have engraved you; your walls are ever before me. Psalm 34:19 The Lord is close to the brokenhearted, saves those whose spirit is crushed. 1 Samuel 16:7 But the Lord said to Samuel: Do not judge from his appearance or from his lofty stature, because I have rejected him. God does not see as a mortal, who sees the appearance. The Lord looks into the heart. When Mother Mary was pregnant with Jesus, she went on an about eighty mile joyous journey to visit her cousin Saint Elizabeth (patron saint of expectant mothers and pregnant women) in her hour of need, Elizabeth said referencing her tiny child in her womb John the Baptist who was conceived when she was in old age: Luke 1:41-45 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.” Hope you and your family have a light-filled peaceful joyful blessed week, Matt!

[@troycequimpo6685]

i wonder whether Andre Klavan heard of Rene Girard. Girard reveals the beauty of the gospels through its contrast to pagan myths.

[@kellibuzzard9431]

He talks about Girard on his show.

[@DevonPatrick16]

He’s my favorite personality at the Daily Wire. Though I love them all

[@caterinadc5567]

PS Matt that little girl under the bed is the most terrifying horror story I've ever heard. I think the story you might THINK you're imitating is the one about the dog that licks the hand? But yours is definitely different.

[@tonyl3762]

We shouldn't be neurotic about evangelizing, but we still have to take it seriously and use our words, not just our example (no one quote me the fake St Francis quote). It is perfectly possible to entrust someone to God and yet still prudently dialogue with them, asking them questions and asking them about things they might not have considered. Catholicism certainly gives God full liberty to be merciful to non-Christians/Catholics, and purgatory is manifestation of that. But Scripture tells us that judgement comes after death. And the Church teaches our will is fixed after death either toward God or away from Him. So there's a careful balance to be had.

[@ColleenBlevins-gr6pm]

Does anyone remember the name of the book that Matt mentioned? The one that made him cry. It's about a wife who plummeted to her death. Thanks so much! wonderful episode today! Two incredibly smart men!

[@pintswithaquinas]

A Gentle Creature: www.amazon.com/Gentle-Creature-Other-Stories-Ridiculous/dp/0199555087/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3AZ3T20M75C9M&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.w1XpHBdPFctNsy6gDhC4SqGT6qbjylQT-wjjdC-XZXAbNqZv-cNbsZA7b8OiceEx4itnmjG7M7NFUff4Y5O_oBMHhgrl7jp14ewdlYX32hxDMjh53wVei_jSn5GoClZBdKDpO4wvLgtCJRx_Dhdp7gYltZmliLEniqG_tlK7RpdT4scI-9e9ZrgeKGIUzmBKAzQpptw_-3H9YLOFbJxjj5YL6m9EtYYUDUkkGpXCpaY.5sAtYqe34AOhG-l0pbqxjEQzNZAKCoPu--DCBdKNTR0&dib_tag=se&keywords=a+gentle+creature&qid=1729177344&sprefix=a+gentle+creatur%2Caps%2C131&sr=8-1

[@jareddembrun783]

A Gentle Creature. I backed it up and wrote it down, lol.

[@ringostarr6167]

Love Klavan. I thought this podcast was interrupted too many time by Josiah and Matt seems more focused on his laptop at times.

[@UnremarkableMarx]

I am aware of several places where Andrew and I diverge in views. But he is the only Daily Wire guy I listen to everytime. Knowles and (ex-DW)Candace, I tune into once in a while, though Candace has been on a roll the past couple weeks.

[@ozziejohn571]

Klavan is credible, and Fradd, despite being from SA, is also credible. Looking forward to this.

[@doodlebug547]

San Antonio?

[@tonyl3762]

Klavan clearly is unaware of JP2's Theology of the Body. Get this guy in the same room as Christopher West. The Catholic Church has the highest view of human sexuality and yet still recognizes it as something that will pass away.

[@docverit2668]

Good idea regarding West, or at least get him some of his books. Other works on JP2' Theology of the Body can also help.

[@matthewashman1406]

Jp2 the syth

[@mexicola10]

I believe they used to call these guys conversos 😂

[@spencermackel7800]

Appreciate the interview Matt. No offense to Andrew Klavan, but some the beliefs that he holds fall under a category of “Americanized Christianity” that feel Jesus’s teachings through the church are more fluid than concrete, and some of these “difficult teachings” can be modernized, altered (ultimately corrupted), or just flat out ignored and removed. Unfortunately some churches in the country will follow this practice, and this slippery slope of “making your faith better fit you” mindset ultimately secularizes and pushes people away from the truth. As a brother in Christ, I pray for people in this mindset to soften their hearts to God, help them humble their opinions before His Word, and lovingly submit to our one true King, Jesus Christ. ❤✝️👑❤

[@TheDivinicus]

Matt, Is that rosary you gave Andrew from catholic woodworker? Thought it was beautiful and did a quick search and found that site and they reference you.

[@greyforge27]

It's too bad about the comma placement in the title. I would've loved to hear Klavan's methods for overcoming depression and Ben Shapiro

[@joeystansberry3581]

I will defend Midnight Mass. Imagine an isolated fisherman's island with a strong Catholic presence, a good Mass-attending Catholic community, who become victims of a well-intending priest who has clearly departed from the walk of Christ and is lying to himself and his congregation, grasping at straws to remain in heresy. Midnight Mass is one of those horror shows that has a fantastic story, well-written characters, bloodcurdling chills, and not only has a clear departure from authentic Catholic belief, but is so deliberate in its turn that it's clever and dare I say respectful. It's clearly written by someone who fairly competently disagrees with the church, as in he knows exactly where he disagrees with the church, but he is simultaneously unafraid to show respect and affection for the church of his youth. It would be like if a staunch atheist were to defend the church of his parents if for no other reason because hiss parents are good and he loves them. It is clearly written from a pantheistic/universalist perspective, but the good Catholics represented in this show are great, and they are represented as the heroes in the end. The bad Catholics are wicked and know that they are wicked. The show is great, it is clever and honestly, if I could rewrite two scenes in the last episode, it would have my vote as the best Catholic screenplay.

[@rtwfreak2012]

Loved this. Love Klavans ability to think for himself. He may be wrong at times, but he is the DW host with the most things to say.

[@Deathbytroll]

Lmao okay

[@sercastamere9853]

Everbody is wrong "at times", including you. Definitely including Candace

[@kellibuzzard9431]

He and Knowles. ❤

[@rtwfreak2012]

@@sercastamere9853 i would go so far as to say that candace is wrong most times. Also I never claimed perfection for myself.

[@toeknee5565]

Please show andrew klavan generous amounts of grace for his struggle between his faith an adoration of our Lord and his reluctance to condemn homosexual acts of love. He's caught between God and his son whom he loves more than anything. He's merely a human who has faults, and it's a precarious place to be. Grace is what he deserves, not hatred or vitriol.

[@zachhowell6628]

Pray for a miracle for Ben Shapiro’s conversion to the Church ❤

[@ThomasHall-t4k]

"The Third Man". I'd love to know Klavan's take on Graham Greene, a fellow author with success in movie adaptations, a devot believer with a gritty style.

[@JustineBrownsBookshelf]

Indeed he should!

[@Julia-lt4jp]

Christ is King!!

[@StJimmy501]

Andrew Klavan is great

[@petitemaam]

Ben shapiro becoming christian made me laugh then i felt bad about laughing. I do feel like Jesus has been knocking loudly at his door lately.

[@docverit2668]

Becoming Christian may be a first step, but the ultimate step Must always be becoming Catholic.

[@banid8699]

Matt said "Atheist and Protestant" a number of times, appearing to lump them together. Does he think they are the same thing?

[@tonyl3762]

Whether Paul is actually speaking the Word of God when he condemns homosexual acts certainly seems relevant to the question. How could it not be relevant? Paul was clearly making a joke out of frustration with the Judaizers regarding his castration comment, not teaching in that instance.

[@jabobberhockey]

Matt, I think you were thinking of At Tikhon's, a chapter removed from Dostoevsky's Demons.

[@Kendramac]

His view on homosexuality makes me so sad for him. I understand that he loves his son. God willing I never have to know what that is like. Still, to let that drive a wedge between him and God’s word is so tragic. He can still love his son and believe that he is living in sin within homosexuality. Klavan is so idolizing of romantic relationships that he refuses to hold a standard that would exclude it. No matter that it is God’s standard. I’m glad he was blessed by God with a good marriage so that he doesn’t practices all the sinful things that he thinks is okay in search of companionship. I highly respect Klavan and love listening to him, this is just a giant blind spot that he seems eager to keep.

[@doodlebug547]

Well said.

[@josephrogish1655]

While I appreciate Klavan’s willingness to dialogue on many of these topics, and I’m certainly glad it was a charitable conversation, it’s unfortunate to hear how poorly he understands his “Nicene Christianity”. Basically his views boil down to : 1. You don’t necessarily have to believe in Christ to go to heaven, as long as you love people. 2. You shouldn’t share the Gospel directly because it’s too pushy. 3. Don’t focus as much on doctrine as compassion. 4. Paul wasn’t God and was too harsh in his letters, so we should basically discount the authority of things we disagree with as scripture. Praying for his conversion.

[@zsedcftglkjh]

Christ is King!

[@Hockeytown19]

Yes, He is. Also, Candice Owen’s is a nut bag.