WTF is the Saronite Shuffle?

[@IRdatank]

My experience with considerable gold making in Classic (release - Naxx for a couple months as MT with no gold buying) has taught me that the best gold you will make is the market you corner. There were zero videos espousing buying Thorium and Dense Stone from the AH and slapping together Thorium Headed Arrows to then sell to all the hunters, yet that funded ~70% of my Classic experience. All the tips I found online were only marginally helpful.

[@peterkent6250]

naxx made me rich in classic, 2 reasons for this. I was farming diremaul storing arcane crystals (i just wanted to hit 100 arcanite bars) I was able to make consumables with herbs inside and then sell the bars to guilds making their TF's. The most fun making gold i had was preparing for AQ nd naxx with protection pots. I made 500+ shadow pots before naxx came nd they sold so good!

[@GamingDualities]

it is a time investment. and leveling up profession from 0 is even more time consuming process.. mybe it is better just joining GDKP raids lol. Gold farmers usually don't consider value of time. just like people who only look at logs and think they somehow understand the game

[@peterkent6250]

@@GamingDualities thing about logs is its just an overview, for example our mage on council fight in tbc has only parsed around 20 every fight. at first glance looks awful but all they do is kite the mage council nd spell steal while we nuke the others. Logs can be misleading without context.

[@GamingDualities]

@@peterkent6250 they are good average but can also miss a lot yea

[@peterkent6250]

@@GamingDualities i mean it took my raid weeks to realise i wasnt sundering as my first 2 globals because majority didn't know how to break down the logs :p until someone exposed me!! D:

[@ardleopard]

Most likely scenario is that the price of saronite ore will go up to the point where the saronite ore shuffle is marginally profitable, or even just break even. Just as we saw with adamantite ore in tbc classic once prospecting was discovered profitable. At that point you can as well sell the saronite ore directly at the AH.

[@Scottejaye]

I definitely see what you are saying but comparing adamantite to saronite is literally chalk and cheese. What green gem in TBC from adamantite can hold up against blue gems like Chalcedony in WOTLK?

[@ardleopard]

@@Scottejaye I surely agree that the gems are more valuable in wotlk, and I believe there is money to be made in shuffling. My point is more on a general economical level: people will buy loads of saronite ore on AH --> price will rise, until there is no gold to be made since the price is so high. This equilibrium price point will for sure be a lot higher than for adamantite ore since saronite is more valuable :) Addition: and this equilibrium price point will of course be changing over time since it depends on the AH price of the items craftable from the prospects of the ore. So one will need to seize the opportunities when saronite is low compared to other items.

[@rasmuskjaerpoulsen]

Its gonna end up the same as primal might. So many are gonna try to make money off of it, that the mats cost is gonna be equal to the turnover.

[@milantasic6669]

@@rasmuskjaerpoulsen That is basicly happening with everything nowdays with TSM cause all jsut watch green stuff on TSM and craft for profit , and stuf equals fast...

[@jamesbaggett3655]

Make a ring, de it, use the dust to make a nightmare tear, good golds. Yes you can just sell the the dragons eye, but diversification is key.

[@Scottejaye]

Totally agree mate

[@Astronic]

Love the content scotty. I can't afford any patreon right now but I try to comment and like all your videos to support you.

[@Scottejaye]

Appreciate it mate, watching the videos and enjoying them is honestly support enough 🙏🙏

[@GamingDualities]

u think he is doing these videos just for you not because that is literally the best content farm (WOTLK) on youtube right now that bring insane amount of views and money? naive

[@RVMdiscgolf]

Love your videos, man. It'd be awesome to see you do a guide video on Wrath Alch and JC recipes and how to get them.

[@sitnud]

Thanks for giving it away... now I am gonna be stuck running SL on my pally for gold....

[@MidgardGamesTV]

Looks fun. Similar to what I currently do on retail where I make plenty of gold. I think I will start on a fresh server with mining and skinning. Then once I have a couple alts and some gold I’ll switch to JC and Alch as I prefer to power level those rather than slowly while leveling up

[@alexithymia6288]

I'm boosting a druid with the Wrath boost, since I'm about 99% sure we'll get one at least to 58 again if not 68. That will be my miner and skinner, then my main which is hunter is going Engi/JC since those are supposedly BiS profs for raiding. Not excited to level JC in the coming months lol

[@robtherelic510]

I remember making a lot of gold in original wrath transmuting saronite bars to titanium bars

[@JellyBrainer]

I am today aware of the way to pronounce Chalcedony. Thank you! Been pronouncing it just like you for YEARS

[@holyjkk9205]

Since wotlk classic will probably already release with the 3.3.5a patch level - the disenchant option for dungeons will most likely be already implemented

[@sidtanks7966]

Which would make dust/shards cheaper and DEing crafted items may not be as profitable as vendoring.

[@zoranmarkoski1524]

wotlk will start on the last patch or it goes like 3.0 etc? Im not familiar with how the classic works xD

[@holyjkk9205]

@@zoranmarkoski1524 it will most likely start on the last Patch (3.3.5a) to have the best Level of balancing, but the dungeons / raids / rest of the content will Release in consecutive phases. At least thats the same they did in vanilla and Tbc

[@Dustomatic]

They have said the DE option won’t be in the game because the dungeon finder being cross-realm was the only reason for the feature to exist.

[@holyjkk9205]

@@Dustomatic ohh didnt hear that in the subsequent Updates, must've missed it

[@commandershepard6241]

Well, since they announced that there's no dungeon finder and no disenchant in wotlk classic, I'm pretty sure the saronite shuffle will be quite profitable

[@rasmuskjaerpoulsen]

In tbc, no lifers with 10 transmute alts for primal might flooded the market so much that it wasnt even worth the time and sold for the price of mats cost This thing is gonna be the same

[@mrillis9259]

This is called Chinese capitalism. Just doing it so that your customers don't do it for themselves.

[@GamingDualities]

@@mrillis9259 it is called time investment

[@Dustomatic]

Lol, no lifers = anybody who does it better than you do.

[@Occone10413]

Most important part was left out: If you don't have experience using AH addons, macros, auto-clicking software... don't do this. You'll get screwed over by hardcore traders. This type of gold-making method only works for people that actually know what they're doing. If you just found out this is a thing, you're most likely gonna waste your time.

[@timopint1125]

The Saronite Shuffle is working on the most realm now. The Botmeta and the lack of Dissentchant mains in Heroic instances makes the shuffle even more powerfull as it was back in orig wotlk. IF entchant materials fall you just wendor the jweels at the vendor. The Botted saronite is cheap enough for that. Now is the time to make profit that carry you through whole woltk

[@stickandmud]

Smallworld of Warcraft of the shelf? nice! Have you tried WOW Wrath of the Lich King: A Pandemic System? cool game, cool minis I only need to paint Varian and Muradin.. no one wanted to play them anyways

[@Scottejaye]

I'll check it out mate

[@cookie_dough6605]

33k 🔥🔥well done scotte 💙well deserved

[@bandy7411]

Really enjoying this wotlk series great content

[@kushmirtv2060]

I've always pronounced chalcedony that same way man! Your not alone. Killer work lately, please keep it comin'!

[@Scottejaye]

Haha glad I’m not alone 😂 cheers mate appreciate the support 🙏

[@benny7555]

hahaha man you crack me up, i used to call it "chal sedony" when i was a kid in wotlk, didn't know it was said another way

[@jaysinrd]

Not sure you’ll see this but would be great to get a reply, since that disenchant in dungeons option isn’t available in Classic wrath and the price of infinite dust won’t be floored, can you add that info in as to how we profit off that? Are we just AHing the the dust? Making something with it?

[@danbill9165]

Great video as always , you think now is good time to start lining up wrath profs ?

[@Scottejaye]

Definitely mate, I’m currently sorting alts out and proffs is the next stop!

[@boricketts8367]

Another great vid thanks SJ

[@Ganon999]

I didn't realize that the disenchant button was in wotlk back in the day lol

[@PaulieVideos]

Great content, great commentary, great quality.

[@Scottejaye]

Appreciate it mate 🙏

[@zurielsama]

Just had to comment that I too back in the day called it Chalcy dony 😂

[@ash-ip2gc]

@schottejaye, just some feed back. the scrolling banner with supporter names feels like the credits are rolling at the end of a film. It is probably just a me problem, but feels so distracting and that somehow the show is over, anything else to see is just a quirky gag that u sometimes see at the end of the film after they roll the credits. ...idk exactly what my problem is with it but there is something really off putting about it. Very sorry if i'm just sounding like a Karen. Please keep up the amazing efforts, it's rediculously helpful and underrated.

[@Zerg123]

Came back to review this as I originally based my profession choices around it. Unfortunately on my server there are far too many people doing this for it to be profitable. Saronite ore is 4g per. The blue gem market is collapsing from all the JCs making icy prisms only profits are yellow 20g, oranges 35g, reds 100g Dust is under 1g, metas sell for less than the mats and are and flooded on the AH extra transmute profit is gone with AH and posting cuts. The only metas that sell for over the stone require tokens, but they only profit for 10g more... so buying dragons eyes is less work and more profitable. The amount of time spent doing all the steps I can make more fishing. Hoping to get speed or wild magic potions at some point. I've only gotten 4 useless elixirs lol. Thankfully 2 JCs and a miner have my daily gold production between 800-1.2k, was around 2k week 1.

[@NZ2STROKE]

alchemy is doing my head in,all i get is garbage recipes

[@Zerg123]

@NEW ZEALAND TRAILRIDING that sucks. I got both back to back after complaining here. Haha

[@pduce89]

Love the Boston Red Sox hat

[@christiangoldsmith1821]

I called chalcedony what you did, that is the correct way to say it

[@diorefresh9197]

i have tailoring and enchanting on my toon, on tbc i was using them to farm clothes and making them into tailoring green and then DE for arcane dust and planar.. i doing this similar strats but for making epic purple from tailoring and DE them into abysal crystal.. its so profitable on early week but as price of abysal crystals going down every day and will go down more in TOC release,, can you give me idea how to make tailoring and enchanting combo to be sustainable as main gold source?

[@gregorybell6683]

We about to ballin dawg!! Thx for the information

[@Hockholliday]

This won't be a thing at all; All gems in early stage from prospecting will be cut and sold on AH as a cheaper alternative to +16 stat blue gems by wither +12 stats or perfect cuts with +14 stats, likewise all saronite will be used for crafting or transmuting into Titansteel. Skyflare and Earthsiege diamonds also drop even faster in price as they are required to be crafted in order to level Northrend alchemy so they will be extremely flooded. Likewise with their cost of production due to Eternal farming becoming the next hotly contested open world farming item won't make Meta gems profitable outside of a niche group of players. Even after Epic Gems are released it still won't be profitable. If you wish to make the maximum profit from anything mining related it would be mass accumulation and investment of Titanium as early as possible, then store it until Epic Gems are released in TOC, then prospect on patch release in conjunction with Damaged Necklace turns ins (which you should be storing also, along with your JC badges). On a recent seasonal WOTLK private server, on Epic Gem release night I had acquired all epic patterns from vendor then advertised in trade for a cutting service of all epic gems; Made over 10k in the first hour from cutting other's gems. Likewise saw a very high return on the AH with cut epic gems, then using profits to buy uncut gems, cut into profitable ones and re-sell.

[@Scottejaye]

I definitely agree with some of this but Chalcedony being sold raw rather than cut will be far more profitable. With no DE option, dust will be worth more than cut green gems after about a week because no one will be using green gems when blues are so accessible and as for titanium ore hoarding, I mentioned this in a recent video. There is a chance this won’t work if the contents of the ore is already decided like the bag of gems from mag or the brilliant glass, people saved these up for the epic gems and they didn’t work. Hoarding titanium works on private servers and even worked on the old 2008 client, but now? Who knows.

[@GamingDualities]

what will the be best profession u assume?

[@Hockholliday]

@@GamingDualities Come retail classic launch, tailoring and enchanting plus questing will be your friend. In the grand scheme though, it would be better to just play on a private WOTLK server and just ignore Blizzards attempt to cash cow WOTLK.

[@cyanophage4351]

I think I probably said that one wrong too back in the day! Thanks for the tip on how to pronounce. kal-seh-duh-nee 😋

[@johnmanasco7809]

Thank you for this video so helpful

[@cagthetism]

Spent 100g and 10 minutes doing this today. Cut the blue gems, vendored the green rings and some of the lower gems. I'm up 400g and haven't sold everything yet. 400g for 10 minutes with minimal investment.

[@Padthai_Shrimp]

I remember the shuffle continued to cata as well with ghost ore. Will it still be profitable if everyone is doing it?

[@calint123]

I'm only going to have 1 alliance character in WOTLK Classic. I know the mining routes pretty well. Should my secondary be JC at the start, or herbalism? Or Alch/Herb? Which 2 would you recommend just for the start of the xpac? It's 1 toon so I can always swap out a profession later on.

[@heygek2769]

Mine/Herb is best combo for moneymaking, but the proff bonuses are the worst, mining gives stamina, and herb gives a self heal that isnt worth a place on your action bar for most classes. If youre really only going to have 1 character mine/JC is a solid combo. Best is to have a mine/herb alt and have your JC, BS, Engi or tailor on main.

[@Djuzzable]

Saronite shuffle lezgoooo!!!

[@davidrockefeller2007]

This sounds like it’s going to be super diluted now

[@RobertHorvat93]

Scottie just a question, what are the odds for a race change service in Wotlk, I'm not talking about faction change, but to change for example from undead to troll because trolls are OP and undead become weak

[@GamingDualities]

why re trolls op. Dwarfs and Orcs raial are good

[@ericlol99]

What level and skill you need to de wrath blues and greens?

[@holysecret2]

In TBC it's 300 to DE level 70 epic quality gear, so I would guess it's 375 for Wrath

[@Kenny270386]

@Scottejaye SUGGESTION: could you make a video about Resistance fights in Wotlk, and how it could be profitable?. I made around 10k gold on just picking up the odd green 68+ shadow resist gear when in dungeons while leveling/getting badges/farming prebis on one character.

[@Terrortrooper]

I can't even think of a single fight that seriously required resistance gear after TBC

[@aaronjones356]

A full shoadow resistance tank is used on the blood council in ICC and tanks are making sets anticipating this. The only other resist gear that is usually used is about 3 (crafted) pieces for tanking Sindragosa.

[@TheGadileck]

First, this commentary on The Saronite Shuffle is more or less correct. But here's the biggest problem; the time investment. In retail, I played 4hrs daily doing "only" The Shuffle, using my own variation of the process (grossing around 1k everyday). By the end of Wrath, 10k per week wasn't uncommon. I'm also not the stingy type, so my raiding guild was well funded. (I should probably mention that my gold contributions were through an alt, so no one knew my raid main was the contributor. I'm not about buying my way into raids, or being known as having tons of gold. I find the thrill of being anonymously wealthy [in-game] enjoyment enough, when considering my WoW experience. I've told some people I could trust during retail, but never felt the urge to brag about it (nor do I now). To my fellow Shuffler's, I wish you many happy returns!! To the newcomers, don't try to buyout your competitors!! Keep in mind that The Shuffle WILL have much competition this time, and will NOT be as profitable as a result. Unless you've used this gold making method before and can improve upon it, it won't be worth trying to cut in on the market. I remember all my macro's for legal in-game automation, have AH Price spreadsheets from retail (good for percentile references) and screenshots to refresh my memory for that which has been forgotten. Unless you plan to corner the market everyday, may your profit margin be warned: This gold-making scheme is not for beginners!! Assuming we'll get Wrath Classic in November 2022, I'll be starting with (6) 70's (at my current leveling rate). These toons will be strictly positioned to maximize profits with The Shuffle from Day One. My other profession toons (there are 8) are for Plan B; and will be in their 60's should I need them to be leveled quickly. I don't mean to discourage anyone from trying The Shuffle, mostly trying to warn you of what you're getting into. You'll see some stiff competition from those of us who loved it in Retail, and want to improve our unshared methods!! There is so much this vid didn't consider to embellish on; which is normal for those that never tried The Shuffle in Retail. That's the biggest danger of this vid. It claims this method is profitable, but I'll argue the opposite as someone who knows better and has been planning accordingly. My in-game friends tend to ask me about my methods, based on that which I've chosen to reveal. Other than my brother, I'll never tell anyone. If you know how to make gobs of gold (and plan to do it again) why would you reveal the secrets that would lower your profit margins?!

[@laszlokiss483]

Ive been making a killing shuffling to the vendors, 5k gold in the last two days alone !

[@exanimato6586]

Funny, my main it's going to be JW+BS and the only alt I have it's alchemist+enchanter for the transmute cds and mail him stuff to disenchant lol. Anyway, the high amount of players/bots with addons and shits are just going to homogeneice the prices of everything like it happened on vanilla and TBC, the saronite shuffle it's probably going to have a negligible profit compared to just sell the ores directly on the AH. You may even lose gold if you have bad luck during the prospecting.

[@gwelch5362]

if everyone goes engie/jc at your suggestion (you have pumped it many times), saronite will not be cheap for quite some time

[@ericpadilla2454]

Wanna make good gold in wotlk classic? Sell everything the first month. Ores, mats, ect. Are always super high in the beginning.

[@bearj.4363]

I have put together over a dozen inscription kits to sell with more kids to make

[@samuelashley5011]

I AM BEYOND HAPPY YOU GOT THE NAME OF CHALCEDONY! Hahahahahaha

[@mikeb3216]

Too many people doing this stuff in TBC and won't change in Wrath. Those who are willing to camp the AH 20 hour/day will see the huge profits. The rest will just buy gold and spread it around to everyone else via GDKP.

[@DCPTF2]

well it's now Wrath and the Saronite Shuffle doesn't work when there are many more Miners who are selling their ore to make a profit

[@cookie_dough6605]

Scotte hype 🔥🔥🔥

[@jessejames7116]

omg he has a red sox hat. fuckin subbed!!

[@vandji8792]

Legend as always!

[@Saint_Nicolo]

I made 3 million plus off the cata shuffle. I calculated that if I purchased ore at median prices, even the worst prospecting results would vendor at a profit. Gems of value were an additional payday. Sent other materials to other crafting professions to process. The basis of the entire operation was all those damn bots making ore so cheap it was fool proof. Guildees would ask me how I could finance all these guild raffle fundraisers. I even posted videos to twitch to show them how to make millions and they would still piss and moan they were perpetually broke.

[@Saint_Nicolo]

A difference between wrath and cata however…. Both xpac alts could fly at low level. Cata would gain xp from gathering. Bots would hack an account, level up toons on the hacked account with gathering programs. It lead to an endless supply of ore on the ah.

[@GamingDualities]

median prices lol. what does that mean exactly. averagely priced? above avarage? prices change based on day and need so hard to say right

[@Saint_Nicolo]

@@GamingDualities it was average prices at that time. If the price of ore doubled, you were no longer guaranteed to make profit with every prospect. The bots kept the ore really cheap throughout the xpac though.

[@nei28]

ill never stop saying CHAL CEH DOH NY

[@GamingDualities]

I thought best way to make gold is joining GDKP raid

[@barial1]

1:20 Byron Bernstein :(

[@estefanoognio5391]

Awesome content

[@ThinkCriticallyNow]

"This article was wrote"? Is that like "written"?

[@LyricalLacerations]

The game was not nearly as botted back then either. I think people will struggle for nodes.

[@mlac81995]

like it for "KALSEDONI" because i didnt even know its pronounced like that ahhahahhahhah

[@herbythechef7624]

I pronounced chalcedony the same way as you lol

[@scottoliver5833]

lmao, i said chal-sedony too :P

[@litebkt]

“ was written” not “was wrote”

[@Scottejaye]

If I worried about being grammatically correct I would of become an author

[@TheDinousek]

"Would have" or "Would've".😉 Don't take it personally. You ARE a content author, so I'd just thank the commenter for helping you improve your language and therefore presentation. Having said all that, I enjoyed your video and thank you for putting together the information and presenting it in a palatable manner.

[@gscgold]

I love your channel but I really hate it when content creators talking about a shuffle in the game because every time a content creator post a video about a shuffle blizzard ruins it. I'm not saying that's going to happen here but if you'll notice currently in retail the items that you need to buy from the vendor to craft gear and items make it impossible to do any kind of a shuffle now because content creators have been creating videos about shuffles the last two three expansions and they finally did something about it they made the thread and the other vendor items that you need to buy in bulk to craft anything cost a fortune and makes it impossible to sell to the vendor for a profit once you're done crafting an item

[@Zaxomio]

Like always, the real g/hr will be from becoming incredibly good at the game and having many characters up to raiding standard so you can carry in gdkps. You can't compare the amount of work of slaving away at the AH constantly undercutting on your dust with a quick 3 hr raid and a nice 6k gold in your pocket.

[@ProffMuttonchops]

It's pronounced KAHL-seh-dough-knee

[@CompoundingTime]

Something that would take less work and actually would get you gold capped would be organizing and tanking gdkps

[@garretfisher2217]

i want a gold buying guide for wow classic please!

[@jarlfisk]

Or you can do it more simple. Just join Gdkps and earn endless gold/loot while raiding :) Just a thought.

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

Nah, im on a good server. Dont have rhat crap here. 😁

[@jarlfisk]

@@andreaskarlsson5251 Everlook hype! Only thing that matters :)

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

@@jarlfisk im on mirage raceway(eu). Love the server(its ally favored and im horde so pvp can be a bit sucky but i rarwly touch that) great community and fast enough to find groups. Not instant but rarely over 10mins unless its at some weird hours. 😆 So fun reading the forums whining about queues or dead servers and thinking "dont join a shit server then 🤣🤣"

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

@@jarlfisk sorry bout the rant. Bit high ao went off on a random, irrelevant tangent hah 😆

[@jarlfisk]

@@andreaskarlsson5251 Everlook is a 1x pserver vanilla wow that opens 11th nov. I don't play wotlk :)

[@ezeess7239]

lets be real. at least 75% of the playerbase will just buy gold. Just like in tbc.

[@Sforza1987]

Not even worth it. Smelting that saronite into bars and then transmuting them into Titanium is a way better option. And depending on your server, it's better to buy the mats that others "saronite shuffle" to make the meta gems yourself.

[@thommyH1990]

You seem to be a funny guy but repeating “what is this” twenty times until you come up with what it is, is really annoying. Put up front what you are going to explain and why and then get into details.

[@Scottejaye]

It’s an 8 minute video, if that’s too long for you then “waves hand” this isn’t the channel your looking for.

[@LordFulgrim]

first

[@Cyphlix]

chalice is now kal-is man i hate English.

[@MichaelDavis1]

A British guy who can't pronounce Euripides? #sad

[@joshydillens148]

Too long video

[@Scottejaye]

Just no

[@joshydillens148]

@@Scottejaye Could have been way shorter to just get the info across what the shuffle is. so yes, too long

[@Scottejaye]

@@joshydillens148 if you want shorter than 9 mins just go read the article 😂😂😂