WWYD EP. 4 - Being Cursed, Channeling Entities, Shadow Work, Occult Ritual Tools Show-And-Tell

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Too add to our conversation about shadow work since I did not clarify my feelings on this as clearly as I'd hoped: Therapy is expensive and in most places completely inaccessible! To clarify my part of the conversation on "needing a professional to do shadow work" I don't mean to say that other therapeutic methods outside of traditional therapy aren't helpful. On the contrary! I think we have distorted what "shadow work" actually is to just simply mean looking at the darker aspects of yourself. That's not quite all what shadow work was in the traditional sense. I actually don't think it's necessary at all for everyone to practice shadow work for what it's traditionally supposed to be. But we have taken the term "shadow work" and applied it to basically anything that involves therapeutically looking at yourself and doing introspection. So while I don't think "true" shadow work should be done without a professional, I also don't think it's necessary for everyone! There are so many other forms of therapy (that you don't need a professional for) that help us look at the darker, more hidden aspects of ourselves. Assessing our patterns, naming them, journaling, and working to deconstruct and change our patterns of behavior is so powerful and you absolutely do not need a professional in order to walk yourself through this kind of work. Sure, it's helpful, but as mentioned, traditional therapy is expensive! That's why I mentioned Kelly-Ann's channel where she has a treasure trove of self help information. Anyways, just wanted to add that tidbit. Traditional therapy is not the end-all be-all and I dont want to be discouraging towards those that do not have access to it.

[@tiara424777]

You did great! Ivy do you know what the shadow work journal that was reccomend?

[@polishfolkwitch]

It was a pleasure to be part of this! Thank you! ❤️‍🔥

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Thank you for joining us this time!! 🖤

[@violetenchantress]

Okay I just started but YOU GOT KELLY ANN???? HOLY MOLY what a treat. I am always amazed at the incredible minds you bring together but this one is a delight!! I'm so grateful to be listening to all these lovely practitioners and to be able to learn from several perspectives.

[@IvyTheOccultist]

I love her so much and was so honored!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@MichaelaBennison]

Literally came to the comments to say this! Just started too. So excited for this episode!

[@thistle.thieves]

I am at work & only listening and heard her voice, had a wait is that her?!!? moment and got really excited hehe 🤘🏻 ✨🧡 definitely a treat! I love the discussion

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Thank you, darling, this is so kind. I had a great time. 😍

[@megansell554]

This is my fav ep of the series!! Loved seeing Kelly-Ann on the panel 💜

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Thank you! I loved being a part of this x

[@Alex_0823]

Love Kelly Ann’s videos! So glad you got her on for the conversation. I love this series ❤

[@kelly-annmaddox]

😁😍 Thank you, doll. I really enjoyed this convo so much x

[@aradiaarcanum]

It was so great to be a part of this and learning how to get over my crushing anxiety of being around great minds and the spotlight lol. I appreciate each and everyone and Ivy you rock for orchestrating and the editing of all of this! Much love❤❤❤

[@SaplingTarot]

You have the most wonderful brain and heart Aradia, it was wonderful to get to speak with you 🖤

[@aradiaarcanum]

@@SaplingTarot that is so sweet of you to say!!! Thank you 🙏🏽 and you have a beautiful heart and wonderful nature ❤️

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Much love! 🖤🖤🖤

[@LennanSmith]

So many great creators! Y'all got it going on. And, that dice rolled out some fantastic topics. 🎲👌 Thank you all for sharing a little of your crafts. 🙌

[@SaplingTarot]

I had the best time chatting with you all, thank you so much for putting this together Ivy (and the lightning fast editing!), the biggest treat to get to talk with such wonderful, knowledgeable people about magic and spellcraft!

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Thank you for coming on! 🖤🖤

[@nicolerosito2357]

When Kelly Ann spoke on shadow work it felt extremely wise and I could feel my thinking literally leveling up. Thank you for this expansive perspective!

[@kelly-annmaddox]

🥲 That's so lovely of you to say. Thank you x

[@Astra.logical]

Always a pleasure to talk magic with respected practitioners of so many different tradition and thought! ❤ Thanks for all your work with the preparation, hosting, and editing as well, Ivy! You are a star 🌟

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Thanks Astra!! 🖤🖤🖤

[@kelly-annmaddox]

I meant to say, I loved your mention of the Blood of Christ for protection. I often evoke movie characters when raising protection, and some of my favourite archetypes are priests who perform hard as fuck exorcisms and have tonnes of occult knowledge, such as Mendoza the Jesuit priest in Deliver Us from Evil, or Father Merrin in The Exorcist.

[@DrDino123]

Love this series so much and so many amazing and talented people too!! And I would add my answer too is yes some beings and some deities you have to go to their "domains" like the sea or the forest or the mountains or etc to deeply connect with them. It could happen without it but it is NOICE to go to where they have that deep connection with them

[@danilovescoffee]

I looove Kelly-Ann! So glad to see her here 🥰

[@kelly-annmaddox]

☺ Thank you darling. This was fun!

[@shewentintothewoods]

Such an amazing collection of people, I’m so excited to listen through all of this! ❤

[@kelly-annmaddox]

This was ridiculously energising. 💥💖 Thank you so much for inviting me, Ivy, and thanks to all the participants for challenging me and inspiring me. Wow. Mind blown. Loved it. 😘

[@CoCoConjure]

This was so cool to view. I'm a hoodoo myself, and it's cool to see other folk magic practitioners talk about using the same methods with different allies or spirits.

[@samkraft5542]

OMG A NEW SCENARIO VIDEO AHH THANK YOU IVY

[@julesipsofacto9316]

I love this series SO much. For an eclectic practitioner like me this truly is a pick&mix treasure trove❤️

[@theearthbounder4869]

loved seeing Joanna in this one!!!

[@activistwitch]

You are TOO GOOD at editing!!! This was done in flash-levels of time!!! Thank you so much for organising this and making these amazing chats happen!!! Edit: I just realised how badly I was stimming and if I make anyone suffer from simil-sea-sickness with all my moving I can only apologise, I never realise in the moment 😅

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Oh thank you!! I kept the editing pretty minimal for my own sanity! 😆❤️

[@xanderpander9751]

I learn SOOOOO much from these videos! Thanks everyone for sharing!

[@melaniecastle5850]

Such a fantastic series Ivy. I've worked with the local land spirits for many years and have an animistic world view. I've had so many experiences i couldn't ignore or explain away. They made sure i was listening for a purpose which serves us equally. I absolutely love hearing all the different practices!❤🌳

[@waldllwyn139]

Love to see new and small channel faces! The web of community spins easier with many weavers

[@feralfoods]

i've just started watching, but i'm really happy to see Kelly Ann Maddox & Sanhre among others on the panel. you have really built an occult network like no other. great work! and thank you for all you do.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Thank you, darling. It was a pleasure to hear from Sanhre and I loved getting everyone's perspectives. I was so happy to be invited to this. Ivy is a powerhouse!

[@charmich3627]

Amazing panel yet again!! thank you so much for such invigorating conversation and thought provoking topics and responses -- look forward to future panels. Having the round table at the end of each topics was very interesting to hear as well....thank you

[@nicolerosito2357]

Love this series! This was my favorite one yet ✨

[@ScottishWitchSorcha]

So get what Kelly said about it being something that could be a lesson. Or a message within. If not just amping the protection also! Great stuff from everyone!! ❤

[@kelly-annmaddox]

I'm glad I managed to get my point across there. 🙂 When something's really messing with me, I do tend to take it as a sign that it's time for some repair work.

[@LavenderHazelwood]

Thanks so much for hosting another wonderful panel! xo, Aurora

[@MidwestMagician]

So excited for this!! One of my favorite series on your channel ♥️

[@bebecollins9414]

The tree branching: I’ve been doing this, rooting into the earth and then branching out of my crown to connect to the cosmos/source & connecting into the fascia of the cosmos- I had no idea it was an actual practice, I just started doing it intuitively! This is wild!

[@CloudedGreens]

1:11:31 I loved hearing this take during the conversation. I definitely recommend to keep doing the discussions at the end I really like them!!!!

[@terrafallow]

Oh, this series has been such a pleasant surprise every episode 😂 I'll certainly be visiting that playlist.

[@abwitchjournal]

As always; it’s a honor to be in a panel with so many super intelligent and wise witches! Thank you so much for the opportunity 🫶🏽

[@IvyTheOccultist]

So happy to have you, AB!!

[@kathleenroberts7972]

Incredible! Not something to listen to just once! There are layers of good stuff here and when i listen again I am sure I will pick up something I didn't the first time. Thank you all!

[@egidiozarrella2905]

Another excellent conversation between everyone. Loved the discussion format. It was very good. Can't wait for the next one. Always very insightful. Thank you for sharing everyone.

[@batterbatterswing]

The section about belief and how it affects the validity of a hex reminds me of playing pretend as a kid and getting "shot" but telling my friend they missed, so I'm not dead Nobody wins. My friend stands behind their belief that I'm dead, but I don't lay down. Everyone else we're playing with is now forced to take sides if we want to keep the game going😂

[@xaviox]

Once again an amazing gathering of beautiful minds 👌✨ *embracing you all in the eternal tendrils of energy and love*

[@raven-z1y]

Truly grateful for this conversation

[@IvyTheOccultist]

🖤🖤🖤

[@krystina7488]

❤Love ❤ this series! It's so interesting to hear all the different ways and perspectives of doing magick. Also really enjoyed the discussions! Thank you Ivy for this. Looking forward to the new year with more of these episodes 😊

[@gabbybrooks1418]

I love this series!!! Could I suggest for the practitioners to give a more in depth as to how to do the spells! Overall amazing 🎉❤

[@pearlsb45wine]

Saved the Best for last! This was fantastic 👏 Thank you for sharing 🙏💥🥂

[@ginga_ninja-wn9db]

Om so happy kellyann is in this one ❤

[@ArcanistOfLore]

I love this series, honestly some of my favourite videos of the year. Its such a source of knowledge and inspiration.

[@IvyTheOccultist]

I'm so glad!! 🥰

[@thepeonyreign]

Always look forward to these panels! Truly love the knowledge and intelligence of all these people. Thank you Ivy for hosting another great panel!!🩵✨

[@melodymuir891]

This was so fantastic. Thank you for putting this together, Ivy. I’m a solitary practitioner for more than a couple decades, ha ha. Since watching you and several other magical content stars on KZbin, I feel like I’m a part of a community. I was surprised that only one atheme (and I’m not even sure if that’s what you’re calling your knife) was shown. I went to a Renfaire three years in a row, saw this knife, and it was stupid expensive, and finally on the third year I bought it. That was about 30 years ago, and it has been my go to for all energy work. Other than using my mind / body of course. Anyway, thank you. BB

[@vhollinger]

I love these so so much! I hope they can continue next year, because they're so informative and entertaining. Thank you for all you do.

[@moxie9932]

How exciting, I love these! I'll look forward to seeing more next year and wish the best for y'all in the meantime.

[@Freespirit_Sofia]

Thank you for this amazing discussion!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤

[@ilap381]

Really really great content! best episode yet! thanks Ivy

[@MyWhyGuyShorts]

There are so many incredibly talented people in one space. I have learnt so much from each and every person, I'm also planning to go back to each episode and write some of this knowledge down!! You are all absolutely amazing, thank you for taking the time to come together and share your ideas, experiences, and knowledge. 😊 Ps: It made me laugh so much when Sanhre made his hilarious remark about "EA koetting" and AB had to turn his camera off for a few mins Hahaha, I imagine he was trying to compose himself 😂 I can see myself doing the exact same!

[@christellesartfactory2124]

Absolutely loved the discussions. Thank you all so much for these 2 magickal hours ❤

[@willow_kestrel]

I love this series!! ❤ So awesome!

[@DamianLopez-deJesus-jn9ik]

34:30 Huh, Ivy’s description of her belief-model reminds me of a joke term I made, when starting to look into chaos magick: “Quantheism”, where all gods, spirits, entities etc. of all time both exist and/or don’t exist simultaneously and/or not at all (seems obvious I was reading a bit of Discordianism when I wrote it 😅)

[@Rommy427]

I was so, so grateful when someone brought up the whole accessibility to therapy issue. It was extremely disheartening to hear statements that could imply that doing shadow work is impossible without therapy. Not only can I not afford it, I would need to find a therapist who specifically can work with issues that affect me as a non-Christian, queer, POC woman and be able to address my mental health concerns. This is a very big ask, even where I live in the US!

[@IvyTheOccultist]

I totally get where you're coming from. Therapy is expensive and in most places completely inaccessible! To clarify my part of the conversation (at least) I don't mean to say that other therapeutic methods outside of traditional therapy aren't helpful. On the contrary! I think we have distorted what "shadow work" actually is to just simply mean looking at the darker aspects of yourself. That's not quite what shadow work is in the traditional sense. I actually don't think it's necessary at all for everyone to practice shadow work for what it's traditionally supposed to be. But we have taken the term "shadow work" and applied it to basically anything that involves therapeutically looking at yourself and doing introspection. So while I don't think "true" shadow work should be done without a professional, I also don't think it's necessary for everyone! There are so many other forms of therapy (that you don't need a professional for) that help us look at the darker, more hidden aspects of ourselves. Assessing our patterns, naming them, journaling, and working to deconstruct and change our patterns of behavior is so powerful and you absolutely do not need a professional in order to walk yourself through this kind of work. Sure, it's helpful, but like you mentioned, traditional therapy is expensive! That's why I mentioned Kelly-Ann's channel where she has a treasure trove of self help information. Anyways, just wanted to add that tidbit. I agree with you and traditional therapy is not the end all be all!

[@Dr.ZeeroFreeMagickSecretsShow]

Dr. Zeero says nice video, good job!

[@veryaries_Awndreea]

I'm in AA and the 12 Steps is definitely a magickal practice that definitely gets results -- long term sobriety. The "shadow work" is a list of your personality traits that get you in trouble. It's actually steps 4 through 9. Those steps are actual exercises you write down and tale action on them During the exercises, you list resentments and embarrassing situations and identify your part . How you acted is the shadow. Sometimes it's called greed, sometimes dishonesty. But then tou have to fix it. Like make amends for acting from your shadow. All of this tarot, hypnosis, other stuff is not very accurate or exact. It's more like a hint of the problem. Anyway, I suggest looking at what the 12 steps offers in regards to shadow work. It makes you aware of when you're acting in your shadow and then not. So you're not the problem.

[@cursecuelebre5485]

On channeling which was very interesting, I think there’s different levels of channeling from spirit communication to possession. My best method is to use tarot first calling upon my ancestors that support and have my best intentions and have anyone feel free to approach who wants to communicate then I’ll do a pendulum or automatic hand writing. I have clairaudience meaning spirits can speak in my head like Telepathy best way I can describe it’s a radio playing in my head. I won’t do channeling if I’m not feeling well, tired, low on energy cause it won’t be an affective reading in my opinion tarot is fine however. Deities or very powerful spirits varies for me when I first contacted St Michael he gave me hot flashes and hyperactivity not in a bad way but the energy was so strong. Some I can handle I believe deities and spirits also control their energy levels if that makes sense to help for us to be more comfortable. But in my experience the best way for deity communication is either meditation or dream work.

[@rewfrog]

YAY KELLY ANN MADDOX

[@musicmary1331]

girl this is such an amazing series thank you so much for doing this I always learn sooo much; if I could make one request it would be for the audio to maybe be a bit better as far as everyone's mics go. sometimes i have such a hard time making out what ppl are saying and i dont want to miss anything. but I know that is rly hard to do so completely understand, and maybe its zoom too but i find i hear better when ppl speak into a headset. but otherwise, its perfect

[@IvyTheOccultist]

We have definitely had lots of conversations about this offline but unfortunately not everyone has the finances to purchase a good mic 😭

[@kelly-annmaddox]

I used my sexy mic but I honestly can't tell if it was plugged in properly or not, from watching this back. How do I sound, from your perspective? 🤔

[@ryancagerbaker]

@Astra.logical On land spirits doesn’t the Arbatel mention the use of elementals via the perspective of Paracelsus?

[@LaLaLoopsyCutie]

“he’s not he’s just a meth head” 💀 dead

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Honestly, I cracked up laughing! I knew a little bit about the whole situation with him. But after hearing Sanhre say this, I did some digging, and.. wow. 😯

[@nora_g1123]

I’ll miss WWYD 😢❤️‍🩹

[@IvyTheOccultist]

Coming back after the holidays! 🥰

[@nora_g1123]

@@IvyTheOccultist waiting with bated breath 🫶🏻 and thank you for hosting my favourite series on yt 🙇🏻

[@IvyTheOccultist]

@@nora_g1123 😂😂❤️ I am glad it's loved!!

[@Sensei8777]

Please collab with vk jehannum

[@joutavainen2920]

i think the concept of animism has been completely corrupted by spiritists / spiritism. nobody in the world can assure me that that was the original point of view (definately not everywhere, nothing was). it´s more that everything is ALIVE.. for example when you see a leaf or branch waving at you, it really feels that they are animated! it has nothing to do with spirits (it´s more a question of how much room you give for imagination). i call it the child´s mindset, sometimes i say feminine because i´m trying to be polite but it´s actually child´s (also old people, they often start to see things again). and of course people who´ve been brainwashed by organized religions (i've noticed they keep going back to their childhood beliefs, also crazy peer pressure in those groups).