Is Buying This Company a Bad Idea for Wyrmwood?

In this episode of Wyrm Lyfe, we dig into the potential Keystone acquisition. James communicates the concerns that his employees have, our legal team communicates the concerns they have, and Doug communicates how badly he wants to go through with it.
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[@Ringinthetrue17]

Loving this behind-the-scenes, brass knuckles look at Wyrmwood’s business movements. Watching these sharp guys lay out their positions and come to consensus is awesome, even if there’s more discussion behind the camera. Honestly feel like I’m learning better management skills just being a fly on the wall. Don’t know how you manage to make these kinds of videos as interesting and entertaining as the build or con videos, but another one knocks it out of park. Keep rock’n, Wrymlife crew!

[@WyrmLyfe]

This is so great to hear! Thank you 😀 We have started focusing more on taking you all behind the scenes of what we have going on with the business side of things

[@kgoblin5084]

@@WyrmLyfe Regardless of the industry, it's so common these things get lost in the shuffle from even a lot of the regular employees. Always interesting when a company kind of puts it 'all out there', and wasn't expecting Keystone folks to have their own discussion from the previous video! Honestly, from what everyone has said, looks like a good opportunity for both companies, although the culture clash is gonna be interesting.

[@skoltrollkallamik4450]

^^Here's a guy trying to score a free Lilliput! ;-)

[@cassiebanks]

@@kgoblin5084 - Was I the only one that took away from the video that the whole purpose in buying the company would be so Wyrmwood wouldn't HAVE to be there? That they'd have manufacturing with an employee base that could run itself; the key being their commitment to fine quality furniture? I expected the guys to go back home after they had established a working relationship with Jason and his equal in Pennsylvania to ensure they all had the same idea about the quality and look of the finished product. Maybe I interpreted it incorrectly though. **shrug**

[@MoonRov13r]

Agreed, it's one thing to hear your bosses and supervisors talk about this sort of stuff. It's completely different to see how people make these decisions and then, maybe, see flaws in your work by seeing people who it right.

[@timberwolf2468]

Low cost table: Oracle Low cost coffee table: Augury or Omen 2x3 coffee table: Lilliput

[@monatae9725]

I second this. Let Jason have his name for the little one, and continue the divination theme for the others.

[@bluefin2322]

Yes, I second the divination theme

[@cassiebanks]

Just remember there are a lot of people with mobility issues and/or small children who would prefer a coffee table have round or softer corners so they aren't having to take people to the hospital/make ice packs after they've rammed various body parts on the sharp corners by accident (yeah, I know - a lot of words smashed into one sentence). Some parenting things you never forget. FWIW, I was constantly trying to keep myself between toddlers and the corners of other people's furniture when my son was that small (about 3 decades ago). Couldn't afford an accident, even a small one.

[@caymanjohnson3598]

I’m with that first guy^

[@Andrew-qt8dn]

@@cassiebanks Not something I would have thought of. I get the hurting yourself part but I guess I never think of the financial part of it.

[@Samael767]

"You need a straw hat." Me, immediately: Monkey Doug Luffy

[@jmlcarlin]

Low cost table = cornerstone because it's what you're going to build with keystone on.

[@Infernoblade1010]

O.O

[@wolfstarheart]

That's perfect

[@RoseKindred]

Could you have imagined how far Wyrmwood would advance from hand-making dice vaults with a small crew to now managing a large business? This journey truly shows the value of passion.

[@AaronSchuetter]

Sounds like the Kickstarter is launching on my wedding anniversary. 13 years is traditionally a gaming table, right?

[@skoltrollkallamik4450]

"Yes" Sincerely, The Internet (B/c your wife can't argue w/ the whole internet, right???)

[@ghomerhust]

sounds legit to me

[@MikeSaltzman]

Hopefully...maybe... ...hopefully.

[@jeremybruggeman8916]

I don't know if it's 13th or not. We did a game table for our 20th. Were we 7 years late??

[@Infernoblade1010]

Lol

[@brpeak4568]

Doug is an excellent leader. Honest, a highly effective communicator, and willing to realize when he is wrong. Class act all around.

[@NuclearNova_]

My whole party is waiting for the table kickstarter so we can stop playing on plywood that sits on top of sawhorses, super excited!

[@dc345601]

Me too!!

[@bjarrk]

that's a e s t h e t i c tho

[@skelitonking117]

You couldn’t have just boughten a decent cheap table? Instead your group of friends is going to split money to buy something that’s only inevitably going to cause issues when the group breaks up? What, are you gonna stay besties forever?

[@dgnightwing95]

Same, we are all gonna go in on one.

[@Muiuiuky]

@@skelitonking117 they can split the cost at first, and then the one who keeps it in his home can simply reimburse the others as time goes on...

[@brands248]

Doug not swearing in front of James at the Lilliput reveal is my favourite moment this season

[@Reyn_Roadstorm]

12:27 Jason: I have a small apartment, I don't have a lot of rum... Me: But why is the rum gone?

[@TDGCmote]

The rum is gone.

[@bluefin2322]

Wow, Doug is smart!! He values a business as a whole including the people working and running it. He knows that kickstarter gets money up front before you have to produce anything, so it gives you negotiating power! It's a whole new way of doing business, and Doug is maximizing the model. WELL DONE!!

[@chrismanuel9768]

He's really grown the business very quickly and I think that's strong evidence of now much he understands markets, people, and value.

[@thewelshwarrior4634]

There's also an argument that if the table does well on Kickstarter Keystone then knows Wyrmwood needs them to produce the table to fulfill the Kickstarter so could then jack up their price artificially. It's not a flawless plan but it does suggest Doug understand the importance of knowing the volume of sales and not guessing when planning to roll out a new product

[@bryanwoods3373]

@@thewelshwarrior4634 Yeah, it depends on how savvy and honest Keystone is. Based on the videos, they probably know Doug intends to put up more money than they are officially worth and how much future business this could mean. They could look at it the same way some actor contracts are where they accept a smaller fee to get a percentage of ticket sales that could exceed their normal fee. Keystone could negotiate slightly higher than what is being offered now knowing that they can get that return on investment and growth within a year. And then Wyrmwood might be able to get rid of that huge stockpile of legs by focusing on them for designs or even allowing an at-cost option to change the legs on an existing product.

[@dwild92]

There's nothing new anout valuing a business as a whole. Never heard of acquihire? Buying a company for the whole purpose of getting the staff. There's also acquision simply to get the users, really think that Whatsapp was worth 16 billions? The userbase was. It's always about its value. What Doug does has nothing to do with negociation technique, not only is he way too transparent to be a negociation technique, but he also seems to be ready to offer more than what their book say they are worth. That's not negociation technique, that's being practical and honest.

[@thewelshwarrior4634]

@@bryanwoods3373 Yeah, I agree. Keystone also seemed to need the help/a new audience so aren't likely to play hardball with someone offering to buy their company for (it seems) significantly more than it should be worth on paper.

[@creativeprop540]

I love the attempted self censoring. Especially with Doug at the end saying “ oh Golly”

[@ragnarokkrdragonash7897]

I do miss the swearing though, have to admit

[@iggy880]

JV, you've been killing it in general, but that calendar edit was a masterpiece. Also, I absolutely love the coffee table idea. I'd love a table, but can't justify it, but I've needed a new coffee table for ages.

[@johnvarone94]

Wow 😭 Thank you so much!

[@VictoryandHope]

1. I really wish I could KeyStone a hug! I understand their stress and I want everyone to succeed to! Could someone send them my well wishes? 2. Yaaassss little coffe table!

[@KyleCorbeau]

13:06 Here's the thing. Lilliput *_actually_* makes sense for a coffee table. Its a _li'l_ table that you _put_ stuff on. Lilliput, it's a cute name and it describes the product pretty well so of all the products to have that name *this* is the one. 😁

[@laneschmidt8938]

Name the smallest table Quest and the short version the Side Quest.

[@teresagg9809]

Lol

[@jacobpeterson7997]

If anything, the conversation in this video should reassure Keystone employees. Wyrmwood wants your talent and labor. They do not just need your facilities, they need YOU. It is not a one-sided hostile takeover, it is a mutual benefit to both companies. Keystone is just becoming a Cornerstone for Wyrmwood, one that will be used for future growth and expansion. Without this building block, Wyrmwood's growth is constricted, and without Wyrmwood, Keysone will not see new life. Does a Cornerstone loose its independence when used in construction? Yes, but it retains its unique features and is used to form something new and beautiful, and without it, the new structure could collapse. This is not the end of Keystone or Wyrmwood, it is the beginning of something new. I look forward to what develops here.

[@DarthPoyner]

I love this attempt to acquire. It hopefully shows that an older group with strong foundations can change enough to survive but still hold on to their values. I think mixing the base of Keystone with the passion and energy of Wyrmwood will be a good thing. I will pray for your success.

[@Lugialoversong]

The halfing is cool for a small table. That opens up other classes of tables like the dwarven hex and something awesome savage and Quinn design for warlocks!

[@vhierta8723]

Low cost table: Oracle Low cost coffee table: The Halfling Jasons: Lilliput

[@csumb90]

YES! So glad I won't have to wait for a milestone to order the coffee table. And getting the normal table with shorter legs is exactly what I wanted. Thanks Doug!

[@irissagar1080]

Lilliput is GOOD, Jason you are valid (for now.....)

[@chrismanuel9768]

Until the next d100 debacle!

[@irissagar1080]

@@chrismanuel9768 forgiven but not forgotten

[@leadwolf17]

Please please call the coffee tables or one style of them the Lilliput. It’s such a genius name! It’s strong and pretty.

[@alexjohnson617]

Fingers crossed for an update on the table! So excited :D Edit: Thanks for the reply!! Cannot wait till next week!

[@WyrmLyfe]

We have an update on the coffee table! A full update on the low cost table will be in next Wednesday's episode 😁

[@alexjohnson617]

Wyrmwood can’t wait! I’ve basically had all my friends and family waiting on this to turn into a birthday gift/where we all play together around. We’re super hopeful! Thanks for all you do!

[@dananderson5516]

The way I would run this (because I know you all want to know ;) ), there should be no price negotiations or discussions with Keystone directly until after the Kickstarter. Run the Kickstarter with them under a production contract and see how it goes - not just the production, but the whole process from start to finish, including customer feedback on accuracy, quality, etc...if they prove themselves, great, they have that added value and you can pay that premium. But if it is a debacle or there are issues, you don't want to pay a premium for a kitchen where you have to retrain all the chefs, to use your metaphor Doug. It can be harder to retrain people when it comes to specific processes and QA/QC related issues than to train new ones - which frankly nullifies the whole reason you are considering purchasing them, especially at a premium for the personnel.

[@Evila7]

They already have Keystone make the chairs for their gaming tables. I don't know that Wyrmwood would make Keystone prove themselves when they already make items for them

[@bunker1213]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epzai3yfqq6iiKs jump to 9:40.

[@hhopper92]

I had to Google Lilluput, but after learning that it's an island with 6" tall people I'm 100% on board with that being a coffee table name.

[@mathsalot8099]

Gulliver's Travels is a great book. And if you're not into reading, there was a tv movie made in1996 staring Ted Danson of "Cheers". There was also a terrible Jack Black "adaptation" but didn't follow the book at all.

[@bluefin2322]

How much interaction are the 2 cultures going to have? It seems the only ones talking are the leadership. (plus crazy ed, but he's an exception) If James stays the Manager of Keystone, their culture shouldnt have to change.

[@juliasutter6996]

++

[@azican92]

A lot of the concern would be that since Keystone will be going INTO Wyrmwood, that the values and the way that they handle business will imherintently be more Wyrmwood's culture than their own. It's always a concern for company's. My boyfriend's company where he works was recently "acquired" and the change in how management dealt with sales to production happened VERY quickly. They'll be making their furniture and there's that fear that how Wyrmwood makes things will be drastically different than what they're used to. Of course since it's Wyrmwood, they'll be fine. It's just that the employees don't quite know that yet :)

[@QuirkyUncleDave]

Culture can include things like benefits, HR systems, funding for holiday parties, etc. as well and those things tend to be merged into the larger or acquiring company's way of doing things. Having been with a small company that got acquired by a medium company that got acquired by a large company within a span of a year, my local day-to-day culture didn't change but a number of the perks I was used to went away.

[@stevejackson3815]

I love seeing Keystone's view of things! When I first watched Wyrmlyfe, the culture was a bit of a shock to me, so I see where they are coming from! I hope it goes well for all parties :)

[@BurntToast256]

I gotta say... I like James and Kelli. I hope this works out for everyone. Also... Doug is VERY smart. His argument during the financial meeting was enlightening.

[@MacDhomnuill]

BurntToast256 his argument doesn’t hold water, if you spend the 3 million from the Kickstarter to buy keystone that money is gone. Now you have to make up costs to produces and ship all the Kickstarter items through other sales. Assume a massive mark up in cost (I assume production costs maybe 30% of MSRP/Kickstarter price) and they need 1 million in profit from regular sales to cover fulfillment costs. This is a risky move for wyrmwood. The owners of keystone can take the money and walk away.

[@mathsalot8099]

@@MacDhomnuill He is not going to spend the money they get from the kickstarter to acquire Keystone. They already have the money, but he is using the kickstarter as a proof of concept that there is enough demand for furniture in the long run rather than just for the short term.

[@MichaelHackett]

If it’s going to be the same as your “Small” table, just with shorter legs.. would you consider an option to just to get the extra, taller legs as well? Then you could do coffee table size until you needed to swap out and go to a regular height table.

[@donovanarthen]

This would be awesome! If we're going to be assembling the tables ourselves anyway, if there was a way to swap out the legs so that we could convert the height that feels like seriously added value if it's not too much of a hassle on the production end. I guess one concern could potentially be the stability of the legs if they are not a permanent installation...

[@kmcd6140]

There are risers on the market already. You literally put the legs into a kind of "boot" to gain a measured height. They are often sold as "bed risers", but they're the same thing. What if Wyrmwood had their own versions? Their top quality and aesthetics just adding to the versatility. A good foam gasket for a snug fit. Potentially, they could even make it adjustable.

[@jasonmacdonald2986]

When these tables hit our regular website we will be offering leg upgrades (either shorter or longer) as well as length upgrades (switching from small > medium, medium > large, etc). These tables will be truly modular, and will move and grow with you.

[@MichaelHackett]

@@jasonmacdonald2986 I like the idea of multiple leg options. That does make it a table that will grow with your needs, from an apartment, to a home and even to a second generation.

[@MichaelHackett]

@@kmcd6140 I would rather have a modular leg option. I've seen the bed risers, but they wouldn't lift a coffee table to regular table height, I suspect. But, an interesting idea if you only had the short legs but needed it to be lifted another few inches.

[@OpenGrapevine]

Definitely excited to hear that the coffee table is looking like a likely inclusion in the KS. I already have a high-end gaming table, so wasn't in the market for another one. But I could use a coffee table.

[@paulhowes8870]

Hey Doug, I don't know if you remember me, but we met at PAX East a few months ago, and were talking about everything from Festool Dominos to raising kids. I think we even talked about the "low cost table" that day because of all the damages suffered at the hands of your white glove delivery. Since I'm in need of some new furniture soon anyway, I'll commit to this right now: Produce a dining room table, and both size coffee tables, and I'll support all three on Kickstarter the day it opens. I'll even drive down there and pick them up to save on shipping :-)

[@99snyder]

Suddenly Lilliput is an amazing name when its applied to the smallest table yet

[@manikzag]

Man. The body language in that initial discussion. Things seemed stressed! I suppose that's one of the downsides of vlogging the process, maybe not everyone is aware of everything. I enjoy the candid nature of this. I've always felt a bit uncertain when costs of things are talked about in a bit of a blasé manner. I've also come to expect this sort of thing from all of you. JV is doing a great job, btw. Keep it up!

[@johnvarone94]

Thank you Manik! 😁

[@TBPlayer810]

i have been waiting for a new coffee table ever since i had kids...now....now is the time....

[@pioneerpete1970]

What he said👆if the finances line up I’m buying a Lilliput

[@AnarKvril]

These episodes have been great, it’s interesting seeing the inside thoughts of everyone as this process unfolds. I’ve worked for companies being absorbed by larger companies and remember the uncertainty and stress well. Doug, remember when negotiating the price for something, don’t bid against yourself. If there are no other buyers use that to your advantage and secure the best price to keep Wyrmwood running for decades to come.

[@Darth_Anubis]

Why not call it The Halfing's prophecy

[@markkostecki4558]

Or just the Halfling. That'd be awesome haha

[@skoltrollkallamik4450]

@@markkostecki4558 Aaaaannnddd that's the name.

[@reilleyfarnsworth6100]

Love this lol

[@paulcurry4252]

I LOL'd!

[@Nosferatuklown]

As an apartment dweller I'd get the 3' coffee table - if there was a sliding mechanism where I could remove the leaves and pull the legs further apart then insert a leaf to have a larger gaming surface I would pay more - The Lilliput name is perfect to describe it! More of you need to read some damn books! Thanks for the video.

[@NibblesR0]

I kinda would like a diner table. but our flat is tiny and everything needs to be extra functional! But shipping to UK might kill it for us especially since we're not out of furlough yet. Fingers crossed though!

[@AlexNZL]

im think the same with shipping to NZ. Just moved into a new flat and need a coffee table and would like a better dining table, but I would not be surprised if shipping is the same or more than the table

[@cadeaugh]

1k likes and 0 dislikes. Wyrmlife is even immune to standard dislike bots. Wyrmlings are so strong we can even break the youtube algorithm

[@j.d.3597]

I will proudly display a Lilliput Coffee Table in my apartment, Jason!!

[@Dresden76]

JV is crushing Bobby with his videos. Love these!

[@johnvarone94]

haha Thanks Rich! ✌️

[@d_dave7200]

I could definitely see myself getting a coffee table, even though I (probably) won't be able to afford a full size gaming table right now. But as with anything, it would depend on price. I'm not buying a $750 coffee table, even if it is in Wenge or something :p Hoping this will give more options at modest prices.

[@sarahteter524]

As a fan of Gulliver’s Travels, I love the Lilliput!

[@GizmoBeetle]

JV, the welding b-roll in the intro is BEAUTIFUL! Lighting, angles, colour grading... * chef kiss *

[@shanwilson3605]

I would much rather see Wrymwood grow much more slowly by hiring and supporting people and the culture of your current business than making this move. I'll wait. I'll be patient. I'll buy your products and support your company to support a business that grows in a way that supports the values and culture we love in Wyrmwood. That is worth it! Culture matters! Inclusivity matters! And is a huge reason why we love you all. Not just the fantastic products you make but how and who makes them!

[@macrobertson465]

Oh wow, Wyrmlyfe is officially next level, seriously, well done! These new products coming out are amazing! I hope the kickstarter sets records, I really do! JV great job wow!

[@nuttm3gg]

James, I'm praying things work out for Keystone. Hopefully, your employees will stay employed and the culture remains the same. Being forced to lay off people sucks, my friend has had to do it before and it visibly takes a toll on him every time. May God guide you during this time of instability.

[@adambaker4590]

Have CR shout out your kickstarter in the coming weeks for some massive PR. August 4th is my 30th birthday... oof... But looking forward to the table!

[@jayb555-r9k]

I’m not a lawyer but when you were talking about the behind the scenes criteria for the acquimerger I started to sweat. I see the point about the fact that it’s potentially a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It is true that hiring in-house and having to train us super hard but at the end of it you have 30 folks who are part of wyrmwood and there’s no debates about culture, everyone is co-located, and there’s no Keystone vs. Wyrmwood distinction.

[@mathsalot8099]

But do they have room in their facility in MA to accommodate 30 more craftspeople? Or would they have to acquire a new factory anyway to house them? How much interaction are the 2 companies (in different states) going to really have that the cultures should be affected? No need for huge cultural changes in either location if the only ones interacting are half a dozen people in leadership positions.

[@mathewcoppola8622]

The other issue is that Keystone has it's own Proven Shipping company/division/association. We've all seen how much Trouble Wyrmwood has had finding Quality Shipping over the years.

[@markkostecki4558]

I love wyrmlyfe so god damn much. Also a name for one of the tables, either the low cost one or either of the coffee tables could be the Nexus. Since it means the coming together or joining of things, and around a table is where people will join and gather for their game, or around the coffee table in their living room for conversation. Just a suggestion.

[@theearshine8110]

I love the coffee table and the two sizes. I'd also like to request the possibility of end tables too to be paired with the coffee table. My wife is excited for the table, but she wants everything to match.

[@litlclutch]

Wyrmlife is quickly becoming my favourite KZbin series. Keep up the great work everybody.

[@WyrmLyfe]

Thanks for watching😋

[@QueenPandanimaniac]

Thanks for putting in that CNC fitting in through the back bit, J. :p

[@Salsa__Czar]

Where does Jason get his vests?? Asking for a friend...

[@WyrmLyfe]

He doesn't divulge that info. He keeps secret

[@seanmcgcostumes]

(Psst. Look up "Historical Emporium work vests" and scroll down to the "Commander" style. You might find what you're looking for in Black, Walnut, Crimson and Brown. Signed, A Historical Fashion Nerd)

[@lauratholen4779]

Keeps that secret close to his chest he does

[@Aplasticjones]

Whether the acquisition happens or not I find this extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing!

[@Yuricthebold]

I really want this deal to work for both parties! Wyrmwood. Cuz. Keystone. Cuz. Do you really need more reasons? All around great people at both businesses and while there is a bit of culture shock going on; they still value each other as business partners and maybe soon even coworkers. Doug doesn't want to change Keystone. He wants their work ethic, professionalism and commitment to quality. Keystone wants to take their products to the next level and Wyrmwood can do it. #savingmoneyforaug4

[@pjh970]

I have a convertible coffee table in my house from the 60’s... maybe even before that period. It literally is 2’x4’ coffee table and coverts to a 4’x4’ tall table

[@GeoffWaller]

I'm excited for the coffee table!! As someone with a fairly new dining table that already fits my gaming needs pretty well, I wasn't sure this Kickstarter would appeal to me. But a nice Wyrmwood coffee table is definitely worth a look at least!

[@ScytheNoire]

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Yoda

[@GeekinDad]

Honestly, I'm super glad I found and started watching this stuff in the last few episodes. Coming in as an aspiring hobbyist woodworker, but seeing the business side of things is really cool to me. Keep up the great stuff.

[@kmcd6140]

I actually play a lot of games that call for a 4'X4' surface, but I don't have a whole lot of room. I've come up with systems that breakdown for storage, in the past. What if there was an insert-type of thing for the smaller tables? Something that could support a 4'X4' or 4X6' playing surface? Potentially, I could also use it to stage maps for my tactical RPG's. Then, the insert could be stored in a broom closet, that space next to the fridge, or under the bed. I actually have a design in my head for something that could fit any table, but a piece that is fitted would be nice.

[@chrischung2598]

Hey Wyrmwood! Love these videos! I actually like the name Lilliput for one of the small tables, but here are some other offerings for names. I stayed with the Divination theme for naming. cleromancy - divination by casting Astragalomancy / Astragal - divination by dice hakata - divination by bones or dice lithomancy - divination by gems or stones Jiaobei - Asian fortune-telling by throwing special stones Sortilege - divination by the casting of lots xylomancy - divination by the shape or texture of wood. Keep up the great work! Loving the Keystone crew, but I want to see an update on what the home crew is up to!

[@jacobhilton8891]

I hope this works. Those folks need some help. The business pitches were intense but all I choose to hear. Is a good dude wanting to help another good dude out. That is what I need more in the world.

[@nickcrain5886]

Man as a new business school grad, working at Wyrmwood sounds like it would be such a fun and interesting job with everything going on right now.

[@jordanlane4021]

Looking back at this after the launch makes me think how wild the negotiations are going

[@UnStoppableWolf]

We got large tables and coffee tables, time for some matching end tables.

[@hajik98]

My body is ready for this table! Seeing a bunch of its behind the scenes brainstorming/design/creation is super interesting and gonna make it that much meaningful to use

[@garret1930]

I love how right now this is at over 500 likes and currently has 0 dislikes. I'm really interested in how the Keystone storage system is going to get overhauled.

[@timc2871]

Would be nice to see a special deal if somebody wants to get a matching set. I would love to get both the 2x3 coffee table for the smaller gaming sessions/puzzles and the larger dining table for 6 or more gaming sessions. That would make a beautiful set of tables.

[@dshoemak926]

I would totally add on a Crazy Ed engraving. Whatever he wanted to do adds awesome chaos to an amazing product!

[@ShatteredShamrock]

My only concern about the Kickstarter at this point is it's really looking like (at least in my part of the country) we wont be having any sort of gatherings until at the earliest a few months into next year. I'm curious to see if that'll dampen people's excitement for ordering tables. That said, I am currently in the market for a coffee table, so I will be heavily considering this product once I can see the finalized design and specs.

[@mathsalot8099]

Kickstarters usually take at least 6-9 months to fulfill. Look at the dice kickstarter: they launched in April, but the earliest tier was in November. If they Launch in August, probably the earliest tier of fulfillment would be next March, possibly later because it's a larger item to produce. I hope we are back to gathering around tables by then.

[@andrewmoran9585]

Okay, but I actually like the name 😂

[@WyrmLyfe]

You do?! Seriously? 😭

[@andrewmoran9585]

Wyrmwood I am the kind of person who likes obscure literary references, so it is basically tailored to my personality.

[@bluefin2322]

Same on liking the name

[@kgoblin5084]

@@WyrmLyfe just think, it sets y'all up for another kickstarter a few years down the line for the Brobdinag... an over expensive room sized table :D

[@andybrown9321]

Bobby better step his game up, JV is crushing it on these episodes

[@d20_dave53]

Great video as always. The culture difference is definitely a concern. Hope it works out well. Though to be honest, Keystone should be excited about the cultural difference if they know what's good for their business. Wyrmwood is much more in touch with what younger people are looking for in a company to support, and it would be excellent for their future. In a way, I think Wyrmwood is taking a much bigger risk here. I hope Doug doesn't overpay -- you really should be paying market value (or only slightly above), regardless of its value to you personally.

[@LordTerracotta]

I dont get the worry about culture clash. As long as keystone is treated like a subsidiary company keeping full control over personal decisions which I think is the idea they should be fine. The only real change of any sort doug seems to want to implement is sales model changes. Once the purchase is completed I dont even expect to see a wyrmlife episode based in keystone except maybe once every 6 months or once a quarter at the most.

[@michaelpiercy89]

I love the Lilliput name for the coffee table...it's gold! Who doesn't like Gulliver's Travels?! Anyone who disagrees is a Yahoo!

[@AsuCaga16]

So pumped to hear about the coffee table height!!! That's exactly what I want (so games can be played around a couch instead of needing to buy chairs).

[@KoruXypress]

These behind-the-scenes office meetings are GOLD! (Btw love the Google calendar segue, JV. 😂 So funny.) I wish my meetings went that well. The satisfaction when everybody just went "Ooohhhhhhhhhh, aaAAaafter the kickstarter!" was priceless. I totally felt like part of Wyrmwood watching that. Love John, Jason, Ian, and Ed's comments by the way. I dunno, it feels like it shows them really thinking and not blindly going with the flow; Doug had a solid reasoning too. A company with a bit of opposition here and there is healthy to keep things grounded. Also, Lilliput sounds great. It it implies small to those who know and kind of gives a "short/small" vibe just from the phonetic sound itself.

[@Lugialoversong]

Kickstarter stretch goal option idea: Coffee table legs with optional wheels on the feet that can lock in place. I would sooooo love that

[@LuvBiteFGC]

gotta make a modular coffeetable that you can like attach to one another. if somebody was in a small apt, moves out and wants to expand they can

[@DoctorEngrish]

What a great episode! That edit at 7:50 was hilarious. I am SO incredibly excited about the projected start date of this upcoming table Kickstarter. @Wyrmwood, are there any plans on doing a roll the dice tier this time around? I love the idea of paying a little more for a chance at getting a more exotic wood, but at the same time, I don't know if I could handle having a Lacewood gaming table 😅. Crossing my fingers for something cool.

[@chrissymounce8351]

I’m so excited for this kickstarter!!! And the coffee tables!!!! This will be awesome!!

[@dope5946]

Your guys dynamic is dynamic, inspiring to watch you guys

[@TheCorporalCreampuff]

My goodness the excitement for this is PALPABLE

[@skoltrollkallamik4450]

Unless it gets scrapped. . . . Then it's PULPABLE.

[@quinnh101]

Love the idea of two coffee tables. The variety will really be great to bring in all kinds of consumers. Keep up the good work guys.

[@D.C._Nowak]

Glad this is happening! I’ll have to hope for maybe a high quality table topper. Just bought a new table for the family. Love the company.

[@johnbroad8503]

Low-cost table name suggestions: Mystic, Seer, Oracle, Clairvoyant/ance?. They created prophecies just like buying a low-cost gaming table could be the gateway drug to getting a Prophecy? Or if it's closer to the design of the Sojourn, maybe the Repose? For the coffee table, offer it with an optional set of tall legs and call it the Chimera though part of me really wants you to call it the Homunculus (please don't actually lol).

[@daisykid3]

It is SUCH a long shot but I hear square coffee tables and all I can think of is Wyrmwood kotatsu. Now THAT'S the table accessory I need in my life!!!

[@hurtfulcrusader3359]

I hope this merger works cause one day I defiantly want a table from here and I would prefer a shorter wait time. wont be for a sec though cause I am not financially stable yet

[@vhierta8723]

So I know you guys have removable legs for the prophesy as an option instead of integrated ones. Would it be possible to have that on the new low cost table? And here's the kicker: And have as an option to buy the small legs as an extra? Maybe not in the kickstarter but when it goes into the regular inventory.

[@bunker1213]

So at least a couple of the employees at Keystone watch Wyrm Lyfe. That's a good thing right? Considering they're worried, I assume it's not "Crazy" Ed, Kelli or James.

[@twin2dan]

One more word of advice for Doug: How you talk about Keystone internally will impact how your team sees and communicates. Your voice may be one of reason on camera, but the way your team describes Keystone gives the impression you don't much care for those outside of Wyrmwood. I'm sure that's not true, but that's my reaction. If I were a Keystone employee, I'd be evaluating options and looking for an exit strategy given the past two Wyrmlife episodes.

[@henrikhendrickson2375]

I LOVE how honest this is. What a fascinating video!

[@Kyrubas]

I could really go for a bar height table- name it the Brobdingnagian

[@skeeterdouglas6124]

And here 7 months later they're shutting keystone as it is down and repurposing it fully for Wyrmwood so I guess some of the fears may have been well founded.

[@chrismanuel9768]

Hi Doug! I like the name Lilliput. Any ideas for backless chairs or stools to go with the low cost tables that would help them fit in a smaller space?

[@roosterconlon]

Lilliput is such a solid name for the small coffee table! The larger (and more refined) one should be called Brobdingnag. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

[@opalwhisker]

If possible, would you guys offer a lift-top option for the coffee table? I'd LOVE that

[@LoneTailProductions]

Straw hat Huckleberry Doug has to happen now!

[@Darkness09ization]

As someone who lives in a downstairs apartment I can't afford to have a large table take up most of living space. I currently have a 3x4 foot table that stands at 30 inches tall. It is challenging to DM a game on it with a minimum of 3 players. So a second table of those measurements that I could put side by side with it or at the end of it to increase our "gaming" space, would really help out. Especially if it's $750 or less. Because unlike a lot people I don't have expensive equipment (ex: computer, home entertainment system, phone, etc.) and have a tough time saving for large purchases. I'm looking forward to seeing how this project develops.

[@bunker1213]

Doug and Jason, I hope you have solid ideas of what I would buy from you after a table or two. If not, you buying in to Keystone is a not so far future head ache.