X-Force #1 - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara reviews the first issue of X-Men spin-off book X-Force!
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Originally uploaded March 21st, 2011.
ORIGINAL INFO: All I have to say is “Rob Liefeld” and I bet you could predict what’s coming from this comic. But you’d be wrong, for this comic ALSO has a trading card!
RUMINATIONS: I remember some hate website deconstructed this review and called me a total idiot for it. Meh, it’s an average episode and I can’t recall why I decided to do it when I did. I probably just needed to fill the space with a Marvel comic and I didn’t have anything better to say. I don’t recall it being that bad, certainly not anything that required any serious thought. It was just a bad comic that I reviewed. Some episodes are just like that - there’s nothing else to say about them other than “well, that sure exists.”

[@SaurAuteur]

"Random Gun-Toting Hero #409"?! HOW DARE YOU INSULT THAT CLASSIC CHARACTER!!! Did you even read his crossover with "Not-Wolverine" written by "Alan Moore wannabe #7,006"?!

[@thattypicalslimy8548]

Hey, the cross over with deadpool was actually good lol.

[@carlrood4457]

At this point, Cable hadn't been around very long and it wasn't even clear if he was a mutant. All he'd shown prior to that scene was that he was a cyborg.

[@BrokenSet]

"Some call them heroes. Some call them rebels." I call them Crunchy and Fruity, and a fine part of a balanced breakfast.

[@snakes3425]

Highlight of Deadpool 2: Seeing Rob Liefeld's abominations dying horrible gruesome deaths...except Peter, Peter was the best X-Force member in history

[@deltaknight2764]

After learning X-Force's history, that scene was one of the greatest middle fingers in cinema history.

[@DJtheChaos246]

I’m pretty sure that very movie(and the line it featured about not being able to draw feet) is how I learned who Rob Liefeld actually is.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Sadly it wasn't all of rob's characters Cough dp cough cough yes I hate him he scared my childhood giving only primordial rage cough

[@snakes3425]

When a Gimik Cover/Polybag Edition makes sense 1. The Anniversary of a popular character 2. Last Issue of a Popular Series 3. Conclusion or Begining of a Major Event 4. First Issues of a Reboot or New Title

[@capmar-vell9243]

Aaaah, Cable, the character that started the ''nineties anti-hero'' craze.

[@DoctorSkepticus]

+Cap Mar-Vell92 Cable may have been the start of some crazes but the "90s anti-hero craze" was not one of them. This particular craze was actually started in the 1980s with Wolverine and the Punisher along with independent knock-offs like Grips (actually ALL of Kris Silver's characters were basically the same character with cosmetic differences) and such.

[@Duothimir]

DoctorSkepticus Don't forget people who completely missed the point of Rorschach in Watchmen.

[@DoctorSkepticus]

Yeah that is another one but a more interesting 'anti-hero' because Rorschach was actually Steve Ditko's character _The Question_ . Alan Moore's original pitch for _Watchmen_ to then DC head honcho Dick Giordano involved all of the Charlton 'action heroes'. Nite Owl I and II was supposed to be Blue Beetle :the original Dan Garrett golden age character and the 1960s revised character Ted Kord (also by Ditko). Comedian was the Charlton hero Peacemaker and Dr. Manhattan was originally Captain Atom. DC had just recently (back then) acquired the rights to the Charlton superheroes and Dick Giordano was the head honcho at Charlton comics in the 1960s and Moore's story did some nasty things Giordano felt to the Charlton heroes so he said no to Moore. Moore eventually came up with very thinly disguised copies of the Charlton heroes and presented THAT _Watchmen_ to Giordano and was green lit.

[@Tareltonlives]

Well, also Wolverine and Frank Miller's Batman

[@taylord5381]

DoctorSkepticus wolverine and punisher were 70s

[@osriccauldwyn]

I thought Cable was heavy for the same reason as Wolverine: the metal. Half his body is metal, which is much denser and heavier than regular tissue. When I was 12 I had a bunch of the old X-Men trading cards with these stats on them. Wolverine was listed as 5'3" and 280lbs.

[@dunkanbulk14]

osriccauldwyn they must REALLY hate swimming

[@Cdr2002]

Reminds me of Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance listing Cyrax as 300 pounds

[@dragonsword8129]

The Death of Superman polybag definitely sounds like something I would've gotten had I even been born yet. I love extra stuff like that.

[@ColeVecsion]

"i know liefeld can draw other hairstyles" AHAHAHAHAHAHA you a funny guy, lewis! you a funny guy!

[@kimifw58]

10:26 Better suggestion: if you don't like drawing feet, get better at it. You're paid to draw people, and people have feet.

[@anjetto1]

Kimi FW I'm terrible at drawing feet. I've been practicing

[@daelen.cclark]

anjetto1 Good for you man.

[@iankopeski2831]

If I had a penny for every pouch on a Rob Liefeld character, the amount of money I would have would be too large to be unmeasurable.

[@robbt.2386]

But would it fit into all those pouches?

[@StepperBox]

What is your thoughts on the Liefeld creation "The Pouch"?

[@chs9999]

It would be too large to be unmeasurable so would be so big you couldn't not measure it

[@QuietBatperson96]

You’d need a really big pouch.

[@furioussherman7265]

7:37 Domino is actually kind of a cool character. She was the sole survivor of a secret government experiment called Project Armageddon which gave her the ability to manipulate probability fields, aka make herself really lucky. For example, if someone shot at her and she took action to avoid the bullets, she'd be able to dodge all of them seemingly without effort. It would also apply to say, for example, she were trying to make a really difficult shot with a sniper rifle from several miles away, or someone were to try to hit her and she try to counter the punch. However, this only works if Domino is actively trying to do something. If she were to just stand there while someone shot at her, she'd still die. If she didn't try to block/counter the punch, she'd still get hit. Her powers only work when she's actively trying to do something.

[@TempestXtreme]

That is freaking awesome.

[@Pikkabuu]

So she can be killed easily from an ambush. Also what about situations where there is no hope no matter how lucky you are? What if six guys with lmg's decide to shoot at her full auto shoulder to shoulder? The resulting wall of lead is just so great that there isn't anywhere she can dodge no matter how lucky she is. Or the same with an artillery barrage.

[@MetalheadCinemaniac]

Pikkabuu Well, in the latter situation she would still be able to survive as long as she tried. Maybe those guys' weapons would jam or they'd accidentally hit each other before they hit her or whatever. And in a case of ambush I guess her luck powers might somehow alert her about the ambush before she walks into it so that she can avoid it. Obviously it depends on how writers interpret her powers but those are my guesses as to how her powers would work in such situations.

[@Pikkabuu]

Well if she has to be active in order for her powers to work then if she isn't scanning area around her then her powers wouldn't work. So if she was just sitting on her porch drinking beer then any sniper could kill her. Or if she went somewhere with her car then a carbomb would kill her too unless she inspected her car beforehand. As for the lmg's lets say that they and the ammo are Russian/German and cleaned so there is no risk of jamming. And shooting each other is really really hard if they are shoulder to shoulder and they don't shoot anywhere but to their front.

[@Goodlordwhatshappeninginthere]

I always wondered how far Domino's powers extend, shouldn't she never even come close to being near danger since everything in the universe has conspired to keep her out of harms way? Shouldn't everyone on her team also be protected because them staying alive is beneficial to Domino?

[@pious83]

When it comes to jumping on with X-Men books there seems to be a common misconception among those that don't read them. No one read them all! I followed Uncanny and Adjectiveless, sometimes Wolverine. I didn't bother with Cable, X-Force/Factor, Excalibur etc They all had their own fanbases. Notice that it was very rare for even fellow X-books to crossover, back in the day. As for recommendations, For Modern X-Men: Grant Morrison's New X-Men - Phoenix Endsong - Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men - Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force - AvX (sadly, purely for context) - Si Spurrier's X-Men Legacy The rest of it varies so wildly in quality it's not really worth investing in. There is plenty of time to go back to the Claremont/Byrne years but it's not necessary to start there. It's stupid to say so.

[@daelen.cclark]

Thank god deadpool 2 turned x-force into something MUCH better than this! (I won’t say how, but it was pretty funny.)

[@TevyaSmolka]

lol indeed ;)

[@robbt.2386]

Minor nitpick - Cable is so heavy because he's got metal arms. They are heavy.

[@AntagonistChan]

Uh... was 90's Kid's remark at the end there supposed to have anything to do with the Entity? Because... that was kinda creepy. And it would totally make sense as something Entity-As-90's-Kid would say.

[@kovulover]

Omg my Dad has that Polybag Issue of Sups #75, with all the stuff still in it - Huge Nostalgia moment for me seeing that haha I think he's still got it somewhere!

[@SeekerLancer]

Honestly with X-Men I say start with Giant Size X-Men and read the classic Claremont and Byrne stuff since it's what most other X-Men comics build off of then read whatever you want from there. I'm not a big fan of X-Men either but almost all of the cartoons and such draw from that classic material and the stories are a lot of fun.

[@MetalheadCinemaniac]

Christopher Blair While Claremont run certainly is something that every full blown x-fan should read eventually as it is the core of the franchise and where pretty much every story & adaptation after it draws from I think that if I were to recommend someone who is not a hardcore x-fan or comics fan where to start from I'd probably suggest Joss Whedon run because Claremont run was such a long while ago that it is veeeeery different from modern comics and it might feel exhaustive for someone who hasn't read a lot or has mostly read modern comics. Whedon run is a good jumping on point for someone like that. From there they can sample other more modern X-Men stories and then they can slowly start going through Claremont's run. And I guess reading Giant-Size X-Men from '75 before that and skimming through some of the earlier Silver Age X-Men to kind of see where it all started from but I don't think that Silver Age stuff is all that important.

[@demizson576]

Start whenever, but don't forget to read the Hellfire Club/Dark Phoenix saga (starting in Uncanny X-Men #160-something). It may seem silly by todays standards but it's arguably one of the most important X-stories ever, it is essential to understand some later events such as 'Inferno', not to mention the introduction of Kitty Pryde, Dazzler and Emma Frost. :)

[@JaelinBezel]

Is that when Rogue siphoned off Carol Danvers powers in such a way that they were permanent?

[@crithon]

surprised you didn't mention that first splash page is a knock off of George Perez Teen Titans work.

[@fhb3]

17:32 Black Tom Cassidy in the mothafuckin' house! "And I got my PIMP CANE!"

[@Jemini4228]

Youngblood's Disease abounds in this episode....

[@CazTheGamerGuy]

Man, Spawn's first issue is kind of lame. He doesn't even appear in it!

[@DoctorSkepticus]

Todd McFarlane's art was always of VERY high caliber. His writing however...was not good at all. Spawn was a confused mess from the first issue because McFarlane tried to cram every idea that popped into his head into the character and did not have any talent for writing.

[@93MANIAC]

I am really disappointed that Peter was not in the comic

[@jamesadamsfl]

Is it just me or does the mystery guy look a lot like Sentinel from Youngblood? Liefeld! Learn to draw other characters!

[@pushon10]

4:26 I love that smiling nod 90s kid always does!

[@foxfireinferno3547]

Late to the party, but ... Fabian Nicieza liked to use 'Stab his/your eyes' because, at that time, he couldn't use 'damn his/your eyes' because of the Comics Code.

[@mbriancohen]

Damnit Linkara! That isn't DOMINO! That's Copycat PRETENDING to be Domino!. Don't you know anything!

[@MetalheadCinemaniac]

CHP lol, and he acts like he's an expert! Hardly when he can't even be bothered to get the whole Copycat pretending to be Domino thing straight! I mean it's COPYCAT & DOMINO!!!! How dare he get those 2 wrong?!

[@christiancrusader9374]

Some Guy they didn't say it in this comic, and he stated before he's not an expert.

[@pious83]

+Caleb Brazeau > The Joke | | | | > You

[@JaelinBezel]

Actually it's Mystique pretending to be Copycat pretending to be Domino.

[@jasondelsol2284]

Oh, God. X-Force. as i stated elsewhere, as a kid I usually only read comics with toys attached. While ElfQuest was the first comic i read for the story and characters, the second was Uncanny X-Men and New Mutants. Towards the end of its run it was obvious they were running out of steam and it was best to quietly retire the characters. then along came Rob. Horrible Rob...Egocentric Rob...Skanky, annoying, asshole Rob.... i saw a series i identified with (being a Teen at this time) get flushed down the toilet and by god did the series SUCK hardcore despite it still being characters i liked (Cannonball, Sunspot and Warpath from NM, Tabitha/Boom-Boom from X-factor, but god damn did Cable, Shatterstar, and Feral annoy the hell out of me...Deadpool and Domino being the only new characters i liked). to see the Shit-fest that was X-force, and then the goddamn X-ecutioners song (with more T2 Rippoff art than a Ben Dunn Special) i quietly packed away my ball and said 'okay, thats it...we're done...' and while ive kept up with a lot of the changes to the series' since then, ive had no wish to go back to it. i have to agree with the statements made, X-Force was a HORRIBLE X-Book, even more than some of the more recent storylines and Rob REMAINS TO THIS DAY, an artist i cannot stand, and to see him try to draw Cutter from EQ was a friggin travesty!

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

it got better

[@jasondelsol2284]

so did the old man from monty python and the holy grail. who's son put him out for the plague victims. then the poor sod got clonged over the head and that was the end.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

lol that's the joke. I'm just skipping the liefeld issues and going straight to the rest since its so long

[@eamonndeane587]

+chicken head (screw stan lee) Read Peter David's Run.

[@paulman34340]

Says something when a large amount of those characters the most annoying one spawned got killed off in the most pathetic way in the early part of the Deadpool 2 movie.

[@moshpitmachine]

Also knee pads are common for infantry style combat. When shooting you gotta drop and move fast on broken glass and hard ground. Would be normal for someone like that to have knee pads

[@Azazreal]

I like to imagine Cannonballs war cry is ''AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK''

[@DarthJoshReturns]

They have an X-Force comic without Peter? Boo! 0/10!

[@DethOfDrgnz]

The reason the comic sold well is Liefeld was a hot artist and was very popular at the time. Even though many comic book fans seems to hate him now he is still very popular and almost all the books he draws sell well. It didn't sell well because of a stupid trading card, or a lame bag. It sold because Liefeld was hot, Cable was very popular and it was the star of a new X book. All the comic fans I knew (granted most of them were around my age at the time 12 - 17 years old) , bought comics because they liked the characters and the artists. There was collectability but that was only for number 1 issues. No one thought a non number 1 issues that was bagged or had a hologram or 4 different covers was going to be worth anything. Only people that knew nothing about comics thought that. Some non comic book adults would hear on the news or radio that a amazing fantasy 15 sold for a half a million dollars and ran to the nearest comic book store and bought everything they could find, most people that were collecting for several years never fell for that.

[@Viccatrix]

10:03 if his leg was proportionally correct, then his foot is about an 8th an inch wide and 3 inches long.. Wow Rob, just wow..

[@JohnPannozzi]

I really want to see Linkara review New Mutants #98-100, which includes the first appearance of Deadpool.

[@karenfearon1909]

I wanna see exiles review

[@gallibon1319]

I'm from the future---he has reviewed it!

[@Theokal3]

Regarding Cable weighting 350 pounds: to be fair, dude IS a cyborg. There's good chance the extra weight actually comes from being partially made of metal (along with his 6,8 feet height)

[@TheOnlyTherazan]

I'm sure the point has been has been made prior to the video reupload, but I don't see anything in the current comment section. So, to corroborate Linkara pointing out about the two-bladed sword: The lesser the area of contact, the more pressure can be put on that area, which in turn helps cut/pierce more easily. (We instinctually understand this, it's a no brainer that, say, a fine edge penetrates better than a flat metal side.) In the cas of a sword with twin blade, yes it does mean it does two cuts wherever it connects... HOWEVER it also double the area of contact whenever both blades connects (i.e. every time), which divides the pressure equally between both blades. Congratulations, that's how you make a sword that cuts half as well as it should! But it cuts twice!

[@andreworders7305]

2nd highest selling, really? I’m guessing speculators had something to do with that.

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

I do wonder how much Cable's robot arm weighs.

[@Aspi3Gam3r]

Ok. I've got to ask. I know that no artist out there has PERFECT anatomy all the time, but it still boggles my brain that Liefeld somehow managed to screw up a basic hand decapitation. Seriously! How the hell do make a guy's decapitated left hand go flying towards the reader?

[@jfdrac]

...Well I assume this comic was supposed to be in 3-d and they ran out of money lol

[@VaderTheWhite]

Question: why did/does anyone like(d) the Liefeld style of comic art? I remember being a small child in the 90s, looking at this kind of art style (and considering my grandmother owned a comic book store, that was a lot) and just being confused by it. And I am still baffled by its unattractiveness. Especially Cable, whose appearance always put me off from ever picking up a book with him in it.

[@Tareltonlives]

Really, it's the 90s that turned me off of comics

[@johnalogue9832]

I'm very glad that it wasn't considered good art back then either, or I'd have to question how hideous everyone looked in the 90's before Y2K happened(similarly to how the world was in black and white a few decades before that).

[@MetalheadCinemaniac]

ProbeVoyages I don't know... It's my understanding that New Mutants was a book that was falling in sales until Liefeld came on board after which it started to sell better. And while what Linkara says here about speculator boom & all sales gimmicks bloating the sales of both X-Men #1 & X-Force #1 they were still 2 of the best selling issues at the time and would have been that despite the gimmicks because back then X-Men just were that huge of a deal. By the end of the 80's and start of the 90's x-books were even eclipsing other major titles like Spidey, Batman, Superman, JLA, etc. So clearly a lot of people enjoyed them even if they had Liefeld art. And Liefeld really seems to have been quite the popular artist back then though I personally really don't understand the attraction of his art. I have to agree with majority that it is just hideously horrendous and very amateurish. But if you've seen Linkara's other reviews of Liefeld books you've probably seen him read the letters columns of those books that praise Liefeld's art and even his character work & imagination. And that's despite the fact that there is absolutely zero character work in any of Liefeld's books and his imagination seems to be fairly limited considering the amount of recycled ideas and rip offs that permiate all of his creator owned work. At least Liefeld's prominence in the industry has gone down considerably and he isn't working on as many major books as he used to so maybe the tastes in the industry have developed somewhat....?

[@pious83]

Personally I always thought Rob Liefeld and Chris Bachalo were the worst two Marvel artists of the 90's.

[@wdcain1]

Liefield's style looks very macho with the heavy emphasis on guns, muscles, and military style. I can respect that since it was what he did and was proud of it.

[@robo-nidai4236]

Looking back at the panel of Reaper's hand being cut off. It's clear that it was his left hand that was cut off, but Liefeld drew it like it was his right hand. Or is this like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 3 and Reaper has two right hands?

[@chs9999]

Yesterday I was at a bookstore and I saw a bunch of youngblood figures in box mint and they were dirt cheap like they should be

[@genesismultiverse4896]

You know domino having a pony tail actually looks weird

[@Blame125]

XD In Greeck "Rebelos" Is a derogative term for someone lazy XD Sorry I just foundit funny ^^

[@DarknessIsTheTruth]

...OR IS IT? Foreshadowing, ladies and gentlemen.

[@Cdr2002]

Packing an obituary for Superman in with a comic is crazy

[@nicwinsteadart5330]

This piece of garbage comic is only worth 6 bucks

[@Navek15]

Thankfully, Sunspot moved onto better things and is now head of AIM (Avengers Idea Mechanics).

[@thomaslebel6922]

did anyone notice the "what you see is what you get... or is it?" at the end? Linkara, you sneaky hidey foreshadower! :-)

[@HeckfireOG]

"...or IS it?" Oh, hindsight of the Entity Saga, how you tease.

[@AndrewBullXandrew]

Amen to that one! +HeckfireOG

[@dragonsword8129]

10:00 Wait, what? So the Ben 10 alien's name was a rip off? Eh, I like Heatblast better anyway.

[@BIGhappyG33]

Red lighting preserves your night vision and reduces eye strain, military vessels use it for night ops

[@Cdr2002]

Love your profile pic

[@Q.Q.Kachoo]

They also use it in astronomical observatories where the work requires going indoors and outdoors frequently at night, and/or when the dome's slit is open (to prevent light pollution messing up the astronomer's ability to, y'know, point the thing in the right direction).

[@numberonehickey]

I all ways enjoy listening to you read the Comic books

[@Durermac]

I enjoyed the first 10 issues. I don't think that they should have changed the title from New Mutants thou.

[@jantheman4242]

i kinda want to see that obituary wonder what it says

[@breawycker]

I don't know if anyone will see this but starting points for X-Men 1. X-Men by Chris Claremont 2. New X-Men by Grant Morrison 3. House of X/Powers of X by Jonathan Hickman

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

I got my copy of x-force # 1 in a barging bin at my comic book store

[@BrendanJSmith]

When it comes to where to start when reading X-Men comics, definitely start with Chris Claremont’s run beginning with Giant Size X-Men #1 from 1975 (I know he didn’t write that comic but I’m including it because it was the rebirth of the X-Men). Chris Claremont is basically the father of the X-Men and he made the X-Men who they are today. He arguably created them because Stan Lee’s original version of the team is VERY different from Claremont’s. After that I’d say go with Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men run.

[@johnathanclark79]

When it comes with X-Men read: X-men #1 (1964) -introduces the gists of X-Men professor X Magneto Giant size X-Men #1-Storm Wolverine Nightcrawler and Colossus join The Phoenix TPB X-Tinction Agenda-big crossover with Jim Lee Whilice Porticio and I think Rob Liefield X-Men #1 (1991) 90s X-Men the animated series with Jim Lee artwork X-Cutioner Song-Major crossover with Jim Lee Rob Liefield and Whilice Portcio gone to Image. Marvel replaced them with Andy Kubert Jae Lee and Greg Capulo

[@jessewilley531]

Funny story. I bought a family friend's entire collection in in the early 90s. I had a crap load of copies of X-Force number one. So I sold one to my friend. He bet me a dollar he would have more fun eating the cover that I would have reading it. It's one of the best dollars I ever spent.

[@saidi7975]

OK First off, compared to New Mutants which is a fucking SLOG of a comic, X-Force found its feet pretty quick. Secundo ? Cable is a fantastic character. The reason ? devilkais.deviantart.com/art/Heirs-Of-Tomorrow-My-Salute-to-Nathan-Summers-599382649

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Oh no, it's Black Tom! Watch out for Cable, he hates that guy for some reason!

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

That beginning is kind of dumb if you dont ignore dc which has a lot more inaccessible titles with heavy backstory. Cant just jump in

[@No0neat]

Im not that familiar with cable nor do i care that much to research about the guy but... Was the glowing eye thingie he has been ever explained?

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

Well, this sure exists. I'm sorry, I had to make that joke. Also, why is that one dude's shoulder pad flying away?

[@Tareltonlives]

X-men and Liefeld: two awful 90s things that go worse together

[@Rgoid]

Linkara, check out the X- FARCE one shot by Bill Maus from Eclipse Comics.

[@BoboTalkClown]

>Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara reviews the first issue of Spawn! ???

[@Agamemnon2]

Show of hands, how many went directly to ebay to see if the death of Superman comic had become a collectors item in its polybagged state? :D Spoiler alert: Not really.

[@whatsupbossanova]

The New Mutants -> X-Force -> X-Statix -> X-Force???

[@jessewilley531]

Reaper is dead as disco. So the collar makes perfect sense.

[@RaygunWej]

We're not the Mutant Liberation Front! We're the Liberation Front of Mutants!

[@nohomers100]

Does cable have super strength? He must right just to move his body

[@TheBeatKeeper]

Jim Lee was awesome. I remember always trying to draw like him. I wonder if he still draws today.

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

He mostly does covers these days.

[@GoodVolition]

Well... part of his body is made of metal.

[@Dinoman-ff1wc]

I believe Cable's weight is because he's partly metal.

[@moshpitmachine]

One copy of the death of superman rated at a 9 with none of the trimmings is going for an average of between 90 and 130 used on ebay....

[@DoctorSkepticus]

Irrelevant what some are pricing the book. Always look for what the comic is actually _selling_ for and particularly the highest anyone will bid on the book in a typical auction. That is the value of the comic book.

[@andreworders7305]

Seems to be on the much better side of Rob Leifeld comics

[@matthayes5141]

Did ya know.... The X-Force opening 2 page spread was a copy from a George Perez drawn New Teen Titans 2 page spread. Except one was good. :)

[@pious83]

19:35 - 19:50 Everyone who watched the video did...

[@firstpersonwinner7404]

If you really want to start into comics do what most people do. Go to a store and pick up some that look interesting If you like them keep reading. If you have no idea who someone is just wikipedia them. Comics usually only reference things that just happened a few issues ago or are currently or just happening in another comic. If they do pull from super old canon they usually will explain somewhat.

[@aros0018]

FirstPersonWinner One thing that I would also recommend would be to get the trade collections from a local public library, as that helped me get into comics. You can find a lot of comics you might be interested in and you don't waste any money if you end up not liking the comic.

[@andreworders7305]

There are so, so, so, so many X-Men books

[@judahgregory1030]

I actually own a collection of sorts of a few x-force comics, a Spider-Man comic that went along with the story, and an x-men comic for some reason. The first time I read them, they were pretty decent, but now I watch this review and have finally seen that it isn't that good. And you wanna know the worst part? IT FEATURED A WHOLE COMIC WHERE IT WAS TURNED ON IT'S SIDE. YEAH.

[@LikaLaruku]

I prefer X-Force 2020 to this.

[@PapaKennMedia]

Great review, but you might want to take a quick glance at the 2nd sentence of the video's description :)

[@Devillionaire]

Cable weighs 350 lbs. cuz he's half made out of metal. Annnd end video.

[@KaijuPrince]

wait you did not finish the video just because he made a mistake?

[@brianriff8550]

nearly 7 feet tall, with an arm made entirely out of metal, and regularly sporting stupidly bulky power armor and guns? honestly I'd expect Cable to weigh MASSIVELY more than 350 for all that mass. Dude needs to hit the gym more.

[@SacridFire]

Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall You're not the only one who doesn't know much about domino. I don't really know who's side she's on half the time nor do I know the full extent of her powers. Basically Domino is a mutant with the ability of "Probability Manipulation" basically she can tip the odds into her favor. While she can still lose, this ability is good for her since she uses a sniper rifle and handguns as her preferred weapons, allowing her to almost always hit her target.

[@GabyGeorge1996]

so....basically discount Scarlet witch. Seriously, they even have the same headpiece

[@LupineShadowOmega]

Gaby George Naw, Scarlet Witch is direct Probability Manipulation (i.e. She creates negative and extreme bad luck for her opponents) meanwhile Domino is basically just multipurpose Good Luck for herself. Her and Longshot basically have the same power set, with him having enhanced biology and her not.

[@ShroudedWolf51]

Rebel-Os? Sounds like a cereal.

[@snakes3425]

It seems Liefeld is starting to make a comeback thanks to the Deadpool movie

[@Pikkabuu]

+snakes3425 /watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

[@ColeVecsion]

+snakes3425 liefeld never really left, unfortunetly, he kinda has bits of downtime every few years but DC & marvel keep giving him work

[@kalebsantos-felgenhauer1631]

He wrote that!

[@Joenight100]

Its so stupid, giving him credit for Deadpool is like giving credit to Bob Kane for Batman, sure, he technically created the character, but really, all he did was copy stuff from other books (In Deadpool's case, Deathstroke) really, the person who deserves credit for creating Deadpool as we know him is Joe Kelly.

[@TangledLion]

+Michael Prymula But when Liefield made him he was just "Generic Assassin with Death in his name #24587" Not the character everyone loves today

[@WraithTDK]

Funny thing is Superman #75 was CBBG listed as worth $100 and sold in shops for $80, for about 6 months ago, and then dropped back down to normal. I can only assume this was because there was speculation that the issue would really, truly be a permanent change to the status quo.

[@leephillips4402]

U can review this but not new mutants 98

[@bluespaceman7937]

Man, this artist was even worse back then.

[@somethingpithy8547]

Is it just me, or does it take some of the menace out of The Entity when he's ranting about poly bags?

[@Bolsonaro_em_Haia]

I have met people who seem to believe that Liefeld taking over New Mutants was in some sense a good thing. Presumably the implication is that having him launch X-Force was also not a bad thing. I just don't follow.

[@Gat720Dua]

You know, when a character acknowledge how cool they look or whatever it makes them sound very foolish cause in actuality there not. Don't be too confident about how your characters look or what they do.

[@carlrood4457]

Does ever Liefeld issue #1 start with an in progress attack on a random base filled with villains we care nothing about? I'd have added "heroes we don't know", but at least some of the X-Force members had been around for years before.

[@MikeydCT]

I want a holographic trading card of 90's kid... and Mister T.

[@bogdangoranov3869]

I remember Shatterstar from Mavel Aengers Alliance, a facebook flash game. He was using the double blade sword, to put the blade of the normal between them and then decapitate scissor's style his enemy, since he was from Mojo world, the gladiator arena... I am getting too far away with that.

[@josephcox98]

15:57 put on subtitles XD

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"I call them Rebelos!" No, no, no, the Rebelos are the groupies for the country band, Sane Businessmen Collective.