X-Plane 12 Announcement Keynote

[@naimgomez2632]

X-Plane Physics + MFS2020 Graphics + Third-party aircraft = Best Simulator Ever

[@jpvanderhaegen]

And 10 fps of course ...

[@pilotrl2709]

@@jpvanderhaegen No -10fps

[@mileshenessey]

@@pilotrl2709 - infinite FPS

[@pilotrl2709]

@@mileshenessey LOL

[@ectem8599]

@@mileshenessey more like infinite seconds per frame :P

[@marshie1337]

i love austins passion for what he does. will definitely be snagging xp12 when it drops

[@joshjwebster9]

Austin, I just wanted to thank you for your hard work. I have gone from knowing nothing about flying, to spending 1,000+ hours on XP11 on the Vatsim network and now I’m about to embark on the biggest challenge of my life - my ATPL license to become a commercial pilot. All thanks to X Plane. Thank you.

[@snookums183]

good luck bro

[@keksimusultimus4257]

best of luck in your ATPL. and enjoy every step of it ;)

[@pxman1946]

Would love to hear how the sim transitioned to real life !

[@keksimusultimus4257]

@@pxman1946 it helps a lot with understanding what you're seeing. I would say that's the biggest benefit, as you're not lost in a cockpit for the first flights. You already know exactly what each instrument does without having to think about it. other than that, the ATPL theory size is so exhaustive, having played flight sims won't really help in that area, except you might already have some basic knowledge as to what some terms are and what their general idea is.

[@LSlolLP]

To be honest: nice changes, but the Ground textures look aweful. This has been a wish of mine since over 10 years of use

[@sct-1013-tough]

While I do agree with this, you gotta realize some games have to sacrifice certain features to have other features look nice. Such as the cockpit switches, labeling, etc.

[@simtime7591]

@@sct-1013-tough Why? MSFS2020 managed it.... Xplane really have to up their game if they want to compete with that sim. Real question is, are they up to the job, i really do hope so.

[@sct-1013-tough]

Probably certain deadlines, payment, extra work. The more effort people put into a game for details, I guess the more people want to be paid?

[@AM-on5ql]

@@simtime7591 mfs20 managed to make a good looking ground but all the rest is very disappointing though. Mfs is a game while xplane is a simulator.

[@Piez7]

MFS is made by Microsoft which owns Bing Maps which has access to satellites allowing them to get very high resolution cities and ground. X-Plane 11 doesnt have any of that so they have to use computer generated terrain and then redo the terrain by hand (I think)

[@shuklavinays]

Austin is a cool dude. He’s an uncrowned superstar of FS community. Same goes with the entire XP alpha team. A round of applause from me.

[@destraye]

Loving Austin's section. It's marvelous!

[@andyydna5330]

Great Job guys, keep going. The main reason why im a real world privat pilot is the feeling when you SEE the amazing clouds or sunrises etc. Please do care more about the visuals. This is what makes the msfs so successfull. Keep going strong and im Sure xp12 will be awesome.

[@ianutube22]

I still have an appreciation for their emphasis on realism

[@hansloyalitat9774]

Physics and realism is more important than graphics

[@HerrWacher]

I was trippin' balls during the Weather segment

[@AlvaroALorite]

That was amazing hahaha

[@spades092491]

I went straight to the comments, because my brain felt like it was turning into mush..😆

[@girtux]

Just had the pleasure to enjoy that while being legit high. Nice.

[@bennettwilliams6628]

Meeeeettttooooorrrrrssss

[@csmith9684]

This is really refreshing to see that they know what needs to be fixed by talking about it & not just all the shinny new parts / hype. I always like the small things in games.... graphics are great but when you get something you are not expecting, adds a-lot of immersion when gaming. WTG XP!

[@miscchan0001]

I love seeing x-plane stepping up to the competition. They have a ton of work ahead of them to compete with the visuals of MSFS. Some of the details presented in XP12 look great but will not help when flying at altitude. Good luck!

[@jamessv5020]

I suspect that was a trifle bit condescending... but I could be wrong.

[@ronholfly]

Add Orbx scenery and X-Plane becomes as good if not better than FSX 2020.

[@NipapornP]

Well, if not "flying at altitude", I wouldn't consider it as "flying".

[@iceangelx22]

@Repent to Jesus Christ! no

[@Moshimulations]

@Repent to Jesus Christ! I mean, god gave us the power to do good and invent wonderful technology. Oh look harry potter just arrived.

[@AlanCWL1989]

Honestly there are few points in my perspective if Xplane 12 can improve : 1) Scenery - the sound of environment are great , but if can be try as realistic as like MFS2020 it will be great to simulate the real world environment rather than the autogen building that is random. 2) Aircraft - no doubt I highly love the physic as always , second to none. Aerodynamic wise it's perfect but can do more improvement on icing effect and also the wind effect on aircraft. Also, there is some annoying things about the beacon on most aircraft is that it's spinning rather than flashing , we need something that is flashing just like seeing in real world , flash bright and shiny at night. 3) Airport - I see some improvement on the ground vehicles however if XPlane team can spend a little time on add-on more realistic ground crew operation so that we can simulate those people working hard for our aircraft. Both Xplane and MFS2020 at its own pro and con but I do believe if there is combination on it , it will be a perfect place to fly virtually together.

[@AemVR]

Ortho isn't possible, because laminar doesn't have satellite scenery to use.

[@bBersZ]

Rain drops interacting with the surrounding air flow and the 3d modeled water is pretty dam impressive in and of itself but, all I really need is a new or updated Plane Maker. Come'on Laminar planemaker it up

[@FTStratLP]

I love what Austin says about the weather sytem! Finally a sim developer makes clear that metar is not the Holy Grail.

[@davirossirosa]

For me, who hasn't tons of add-ons, visual effect tools, one person who runs it in original and pure version cause can't invest too much money, it will make my day for years. Thanks, LR Team.

[@Foxy-rj8yw]

Wouldn’t it just be awesome if all the geniuses from all companies converged to make one perfect sim?!?

[@jendabekCZ]

Competition is a good thing

[@derjansan9564]

Competition is the main driver for innovation.

[@paulbrunton877]

Looking forward to X Plane 12, thanks to the hard work of this man and his colleagues.

[@usulrasolas]

5:31 when the bass drops... I'm transfixed, this is the most transcendent keynote I've ever seen

[@phobos2077_]

A bit disappointed there is no voice input option for ATC commands. They talk about immersion and then explain how you need to use menus.. voice commands is rather standard option for many VR games these days, so one would expect a high-end flight simulator to have it by default.

[@satchiburnside5403]

Excited to get my hands on X-Plane 12 as soon as I can!

[@quantumac]

This is a very positive, happy comment about the prospect of X-Plane 12. Honestly, I'm looking forward to X-Plane 12... Now hopefully this comment will not be removed by whoever or whatever keeps removing my comments, like a couple of comments I made in the last XPlaneOfficial KZbin video, both of which were also positive. Not sure what the heck is going on, but I _really, really, really hate censorship._

[@Sarndel327]

Try sorting by newest first, KZbin and most social media these days sorts by the arbitrary "top comments". If I have time to view comments, I'll view them in a logical order thanks Google!

[@quantumac]

​@@Sarndel327 There is a faster way. If you click on your avatar in the upper right hand corner and select "Your data in KZbin", then click "More", then click "Comments", you'll see your comments sorted by time with the most recent on top. If some of your comments have been deleted, you can see they are missing. That's the only "notification" you get. The comments are just gone, as if you never made them. Lovely, right? Stalin would approve.

[@Sarndel327]

@@quantumac Hmm, thanks for that. Maybe the ui feedback doesn't tally with what was sent, like some sort of packet failure?

[@quantumac]

​@@Sarndel327 I don't think it was a packet failure. I'm a retired software developer who has created high-speed data communications software, so I know what packet failures look like. If I can see a message in my list of comments and then hours later I don't see it, with a single line above my list of comments which reads "some content may not appear", that's not a packet failure.

[@tinbum45]

You hate the fact people can delete your comments from their own content? Grow up you entitled nit wit.

[@Feakre]

Austin, we met when you gave a presentation at the AVSIM convention at the Mid Atlantic Air Museum in 2003 so nearly twenty years ago. You have as much enthusiasm for X-Plane now as you did back then and I'm looking forward to X-Plane 12.

[@jamostew]

I cannot wait to go camping in X-Plane!!!

[@alirezaharb6521]

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[@Pilot.0101]

This is what we need, xplane 12 vs MSFS 2020 is great for competition which is great for the consumer. Let battle commence!!

[@superskullmaster]

Nah, this ain’t what we need. Stay over by there.

[@dansonward]

Huge step forward with weather, cant wait to compare this with MSFS. Using XP11 since it released.

[@exxs250]

Will be there some more information in future for developers about what will change and how much would be compatible from xplane 11?

[@josephkrol8330]

I like the improvements, but I think I'll still use MSFS for most of my flying. I use a joystick alone and to me I never felt the physics never really shine through in any flight sim unless truly exaggerated to an arcade like extent because my input method is quite basic. The MSFS physics engine has more to improve on, but it is the graphics that got it for me. I use flight sim to visit places around the world and see them represented in a fashion truer to real life than any other sim before it. If you are in it to learn and fly complex aircraft or have a setup that feels closer to flying a real airplane, I think XP12 will be a great idea...but for me, the physics never had much of an impact on my experience. I wish them the best.

[@yohannessulistyo4025]

Yeah, especially if you fly GA planes, the ground textures really show the transition between places, like when you travel between cities, you will totally feel the trip, the journey as the scenery changes. X-Plane can do this with OrthoXP, but it is nowhere close to MSFS level of graphics, especially the topography, texture quality, environmental effects, the cloud, the lighting, and building variety. For airliner sim though, MSFS is quite horrible with its bog down basic simulations, like it is still designed with 1980s passenger jets in mindset.

[@pisymbol]

The problem with MSFS is the physics are so bad it’s barely a “simulator”.

[@Camclipzzzz]

@@yohannessulistyo4025 imagine playing a simulator for the scenery 🤡🤡🤡

[@prodbyreno]

@@Camclipzzzz you have a bart simpson supreme pfp your opinion is invalid lol

[@pranavdutia]

I appreciate the fact that X-Plane makers have always communicated with fans in a very simple way. Unlike companies who go on marketing steroids and call every gaming news outlets and showings. Kudos to the entire team!!! You guys are good things come in small packages🤙🤙

[@saulpilot]

I would like to give a good opinion about the x-plane 12 but unfortunately I still see the graphics much better in the MFS2020 I hope the graphics improve in this latest version.

[@kartingst]

It's not about the graphics, it's about the realism

[@luciusrex]

@@kartingst you're in denial lol

[@jeanmarcwatson]

Totally agree.

[@cubie3835]

Even though the graphics haven't improved much it's still a lot better than MSFS overall, planes actually fly like they're supposed to, and there aren't three quarters of a million bugs that have been there since launch that still haven't been fixed.

[@3395149634]

Graphics aren't everything

[@martyngreig9379]

I cant wait for this to come out as the Sound does really 'sound' a million times better plus the graphics, with the airport equipment and gate sounds. Having bought a lot of extras over the past year and spent some £1000 to £1500 on airports, scenery and planes, and many extras like world skies, and a lot of other extras from the XPLANE store + a lot of scenery from that brilliant Australian company Orbx for XP11 over the past 2-3 years from various companies I just hope that will still all be compatible with XP 12, if it is not then I will stick with XP11 !!!

[@rafaelfelipe585]

E prepara o bolso para montar uma super máquina para rodar o xplane12

[@B787YV]

@@rafaelfelipe585 release date?

[@hakanr339b]

So hyped af. These are still WIP and I hope there will be much better ground textures about city, grass, soil etc.

[@daveslow84]

The weather explanation😄😄😄👌 was not expecting that! 🤣❤️

[@sad-cr3kv]

i hope xplane12 comes out soon in 2021or2022 im happy how there making improvements in the game!!

[@spavatch]

No summer? Bummer! ;)P Jokes aside - I’m looking forward to this release. Hopefully I will finally feel that it’s worth to upgrade from XP10. Wishing you all the best and good luck with the project. Sincerely, X-Plane Pilot since version 5 :)

[@clum84]

Please tell me I didn't see the glowing trees still present? Surely you guys have looked at the dodgy shaders as part of this new lighting model....

[@mogumogu3686]

Bravo Team Laminar Research...keep up the great work...👍👍👏👏

[@Marquardt90]

I honestly liked XP11, but I find myself more entertained flying VFR in MSFS since I can easily recognize the actual landscape details around the areas I know from the real world, not just the roads. I hope XP12 manages to give us a similar experience, because flying VFR in general aviation is all about physics and sensations and XP is the absolute best in that regard. Best of luck!

[@Piez7]

MFS is made by Microsoft which owns Bing Maps which has access to satellites allowing them to get very high resolution cities and ground. X-Plane 11 doesnt have any of that so they have to use computer generated terrain and then redo the terrain by hand (I think)

[@JimBlair]

I've done a lot of cool things in software, but your vision and execution are in another stratosphere altogether...keep up you awesome work... I can't wait for 12!

[@gusram5]

Great work, the a330 looks amazing I already want to fly it

[@Eddy-uh5fj]

Msfs2020 graphics + xplane physics + Aerofly planes + Besiege crash physics = best flight simulator

[@Jordan-gp4um]

Wait did Laminar Research had a seizure in 5:12 ? Oh, it ended right when he was about to finish?6:42

[@Jordan-gp4um]

@FlightStream i dont know😂😂

[@resurgamm]

keep them coming guys! the industry as a whole will benefit from competition.

[@Jahspecs1]

I am loving the XP and FS competition! This is what drives excellence!!!!

[@maltimoto]

Wake-up call for XP11, hehe...now they have to deliver, which is good for me because I love XP

[@degenetron7590]

There is no competition, if fs fixed its alleged crap physics, xplane is out of the nonexistent competition. Xplane will never be able to have global sattelite data unless they work with google maps or something but laminar studio is so small the chance of that happening is minuscule. Asobo doesn't have to be scared, they brought more people to flight simming in 1 year than xplane did in 20. Only a matter of time til xplane dies out because high fidelity addons will be added to fs2020 as time goes on and people will have no more arguments to stick to xplane. Ultimately, msfs will be a bugless flightsim that's attractive to all simmers, hardcore or not with stunning graphics, global sattelite scenery with ai autogen and a good and advanced flightmodel. It'll be the perfect sim and this will be very hard to achieve for laminar

[@maltimoto]

@@degenetron7590 The physics engine is the point. It doesn't exist, it is a lie. They will have to do year-long research to come up with something. So my guess is that Asobo will continue making eye-candy scenery, but the physics are "good enough" for them.

[@ant2312]

@@degenetron7590 lol M$ fanboi

[@joelfernandes23]

@@ant2312 lol xp fanboi

[@LightPlayzz]

Insane improvements, along with a great sense of humor!

[@epictetus9766]

Thanks Laminar Research, this looks fantastic. Quick question though - will you be able to provide full coverage, in New Zealand, in your new weather engine? Provision of METARs is privatised here and only NZAA, NZWN and NZCH are freely published. The NZ MetService might be able to help provide the additional ones if you ask them. Would be a shame to lose out here.

[@Avantime]

It will probably cost money, so forget about it. There was talk quite a few years ago about user pays, before they rightly scrapped it. Bet they're still hoping to make some money, wherever it is. - a Metflight/Metjet user.

[@Shades_Actual]

Always sailing through my company sim checks for the last 7 years because of XPlane 11 + A320 ultimate. I'm not too bothered with realistic graphics because I fly for real anyway. But if XPlane 12 will be able to take full advantage of modern high end PCs capabilities this time around and a full fidelity A321 comes out for it, then I will most definitely upgrade to XP12.

[@hansloyalitat9774]

Toliss a321 will be for xplane12

[@loremipsum9448]

XPlane 11 is still top of the art for VR use on heavy carriers, but not so impressed with this teasing... Sorry, I see more potential with another competitor...

[@removebeforeflight7365]

I'm glad they finally introduced seasons.

[@flyer7807]

Nice, LR team! I'm looking forward to XP12. But please, please, please: Remove the random aircraft carrier and the oil rig, or bring back the menu option to remove them. Also, glass cockpits are the future, sure, but can you also include some classic aircraft with steam gauges? Most pilots probably fly on 1970s C172 and P28As and not the latest, shiny aircraft that no Joe the plumber can afford. A 1970s C172M with a GNS430 would be great, or even better, a C170/180/185...

[@destraye]

What an incredible keynote video! Laminar Research is a forerunner in how to present deeply technical subjects in a way that catches the audience's attention :) Definitely taking notes for our own marketing

[@zintus1986]

I am the only one who did not use third-party terrain and am I fine?

[@SwissAvgeek]

I agree. I don't need scenery, it's already there by default and it's fine... What I care about are good aircraft models and flight model (physics etc)

[@reallynotpc]

OK, I'm convinced. Bring it on!

[@RobertSavello]

Looks great. Used to have XP7 and 9. Haven't flown in a few years and I've been too busy to get msfs2020 working on my Linux box. Glad to see xp12 is coming along. Looking forward to picking it up.

[@joelfernandes23]

Msfs won't work on Linux. It uses xbox game services under the hood.

[@matthew8184]

@@joelfernandes23 it works with dxvk wine

[@manic_miner]

Amazing.. Absolutely amazing.. so excited for XP12!!

[@pingpongun8519]

Gonna be honest, after Microsoft FS 2020, there is gonna take a lot to make me buy this, but we shall see.

[@italkapple.mac.istuff.7876]

Great changes/improvements! But can we please, Please, PLEASE have to ability to "declare an emergency" through ATC? XP has all these "wonderful" failure scenarios, but no way to declare emergency to get ATC to allow for emergency landing.

[@24neonfn]

I can't wait!! I was going to buy FS2020, but I decided it would be best to get XP12. I already have x-plane 11, but this seems like an amazing upgrade!! I'm super excited!!

[@EduAviation320]

MSFS only worth it for now if u like to fly GA airplanes like C152, XP11 or even P3D are the best option for flight simulation today ( and yes, I'd definitively wait for XP12 )

[@tiby9626]

I use msfs only for the flybywire a32nx

[@Mikey_beJones]

I would rather go with MSFS, a newer engine, and it is still developed, with quick updates, etc. There is A320 which files really good and they are still updating it too. Xplane should switch the game engine, otherwise, there is no sense in updating the graphics in xplane, because it doesn't do much in overall feeling. The PMDG will also join the MSFS family with new Boeings etc.

[@dexter9313]

@@Mikey_beJones Haven't watched the keynote yet so I don't know if they mention it, but in interviews they said they pretty much rewrote everything for XP12. So you can count it as a "new engine". I'm excited to see what they can do and especially at which performance cost they can do it. XP11 even using Vulkan was held back by legacy OpenGL-style code.

[@takomusic1]

@@EduAviation320 You are 100% right, finally someone who understands it.

[@harf4ng]

What I like with austin Meyer is that the way he speaks I can understand him well (I'm French) :)

[@JotitaEleven]

I really want to have this simulator in my hands, it looks very good.

[@captsonko.9345]

Big up xplane we appreciate the great innovations.

FS2020: exists XP12: *hold my beer*

[@KGSOsimpilot]

Not really, where's photogrammetry?

[@Tactical_potato1]

I’m so glad people like you exist

[@markos.5539]

To make everything looks more realistic, try tune down a bit of saturation to the colours of all assets. Trust me :)

[@xcrafts_development]

I agree! Great job otherwise!

[@merlin1209]

true

[@bruceerwin2541]

Lookin’ good, Folks! Can’t wait to install and try XP 12. Have forwarded this video to XP SIM-friends.

[@RyOnDrums]

I’ve used the other sims…..nothing beats xplane. Can’t wait for 12!!!

[@loveplane737]

creating since 2017 and realased 4 years later. oh wow this is so hard.. nice good job for you!

[@mcshiggitypilot5901]

What's the estimated release time/Date?

[@maltimoto]

2035 ;-)

[@dh05z28]

Can we have gain function in cockpit weather radar???? Thanks!

[@jzaviation3032]

If I have steam xp11 will I be able to upgrade to 12?

[@msamettt]

No

[@alanlej]

I think it's intended as a whole new separate sim, not an update. There might be a discount for previous owners but that's about all you might expect, which would be normal. It's the same as having FSX then buying again MSFS, it's normal, it's a whole new sim even if it reuses old code ported over maybe here and there. Now whether you think it improves enough upon XP11 to call it XP12 rather than XP 11.2 is the real question I suppose

[@GLee-lk3rf]

will thermals be paired to cumulus clouds?

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

I was really expecting photoreal satellite scenery like MSFS. This feels more like X-Plane 11.75 rather than XP12

[@stm3252]

Because, X-plane is a simulator unlike MSFS which is a game!

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

@@stm3252 Thats a funny way of saying they couldn't get the licensing rights from a satellite imagery provider

[@stm3252]

@@BIOHAZARDXXXX Austin main focus is flight dynamics, not scenery! After all, it's a flight simulator, not a scenery one!

[@alanlej]

@@stm3252 So by your logic, when you put ortho sceneries into X-Plane it suddenly turns it into a game and all the simulation part magically disappears or transforms itself into god knows what that makes it "a game"... interesting

[@vicky2876]

great job done. you could still try to develop push to talk voice recognition to be more realistic. Otherwise hats off Team X plane 12 Laminar Research. God speed

[@andrewmartin9995]

This keynote is so childish! I can’t stop laughing. I think Austin has truly given up on his product. Imagine Microsoft presenting their flight simulator like this: 6:12 🤦🏼

[@connerskyes2748]

I’m never taking x-plane seriously again

[@somewherehighhhintherockym1491]

I…. I have lost all respect for this guy. This is brand suicide

[@qraqrjak8010]

You know after patronizing this fun house for nearly a decade with no real progress, I’ll take my business to msft. What an embarrassment!!

[@jpvanderhaegen]

And why not ? In Belgium with have even ministers like him....

[@melanderhart8452]

this product is basically a polished turd the creator shined with a couple flashy plugins and add-ons. kinda expected more from Laminar

[@tedyi8588]

Will the add ons on xplane 11 be able to be used in this new beauty?

[@andyydna5330]

Thank you! For the clouds: please ensure that you get a Sense of Speed when you Pass them. They should Pass very fast. Nowadays its Like you Pass them with 30knots even when youre flying 300knots. Thank you!!!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Great point Andy, no other sim has accomplished this apart from IL-2 at present.

[@andyydna5330]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Jeez thank you very much Steve, the VR Flight Sim Guy nailed it once again! :) I think I found what I was looking For. I will write it in the comments with a Link to a Video where you can See the effect. Thats Just awesome!!! :))))))

[@mauritsbol4806]

So, when are you going to release Xplane 13?

I am sorry to say this, but graphics-wise this is nowhere comparable to MSFS.

[@simonevans8979]

It's frankly, better. Unless you have a 220 meg/sec internet connection? I have used - and thrown away - MSFS, for being a pile of c*ap. Even getting my money back, twice, didn't ease my mood. I still feel I was tricked!

@@simonevans8979 I have a 500 Mbit/s now, had 100 Mbit/s before and never had issues. But I was flying in my city, 400 000 population, so it's not that big, not that much data to download, I guess. X-Plane 12 looks like X-Plane 11, it's far from realistic graphics. MSFS2020 looks like a real deal.

[@beresta7879]

I completely agree with you! The graphics X-plane 12 on Arma2 are terrible in 2021

[@JohnMichaelson]

@@simonevans8979 In a few places in this vid graphically it's nice. In most others? Nowhere near MSFS. Default landclass textures will only get you so far. We'll still need to download hundreds of GB of orthophotos or third party scenery addons to approach it. Pause at 7:44 and admire the strings of the exact same building pasted over and over again NYC. 15:00 small town looks very nice. 15:10 looks awful as you see where the billboard trees morph into the 3d trees in a bizarre band in front of you. Ambient sky lighting looks good, equal to MSFS. Surface water on the runways is beautiful. Clouds really need some kind of distance blend so the volumetric clouds don't just cut off abruptly at the draw limit. I'm sure some things will be polished before release, but X-Plane will still likely be the systems champ, not the scenery champ.

[@gordongreig]

@@JohnMichaelson Couldn't agree more. Tne graphics are 10+ years old and showing their age. The New York skyscrapers are hilarious

[@jpvanderhaegen]

MSFS2020 = 1 year issues........ FS10 was 20 years issues. All the time looking for 2 fps more. And now that continues. Xplane11 + Vulkan + ortho4XP - ORBX is 100% smooth with the same hardware. And that even in VR / Reverb G2. Thank you XPlane team with very more less $ than Asobo....

[@arturz7]

100% smooth? What hardware and settings do you have? I have Ryzen 5900X + RTX 3090 + 64GB 3733 Mhz RAM - 20 FPS in busy airports like EDDF and 30-45 FPS rest, this is definitely not smooth, horrible experience with stuttering and double vision when looking to side window.

[@EverydayNormalGeek]

I appreciate the enthusiasm from LR, the effort for XP12 seems really promising. Besides the improvements, I like how XP12 will come as a continuation from XP11 which means we will keep flying our favorite 3rd party aircraft (Zibo I'm looking at you 😉). Also, to those who like to bitch about MSFS vs XP I would say follow Austin's example and embrace the competition. Both of those sims are wonderful and we are lucky that we have the choice.

[@bonvg6037]

Yeah, both sim are wonderful!

[@PappaMike-vc1qv]

After months with XP11, I am impressed with the realistic flight dynamics and add on cockpits. However, one of the biggest hazards to aviation is missing. Icing conditions are critical to flight safety and are totally absent. With the new 3D cloud and wind engines, realistic icing.. engine, wing, prop, pitot, windscreen with it's effect on drag and thrust is needed to bring a real world flight experience.

[@christophergaus3996]

This is great - love the trees, wind, light/color effects and sounds. Water is amazing! Excited for weather, lightning I hope is not finished ;) Would love XP realistic or equivalent. Ground textures look rather X-plane 11 ... I know satellite is not desired, but ground textures in 2022 should be at least photorealistic

[@toalhitasparabebe]

For photorealistic you have Ortho4XP, don't expect something like FS2020

[@TheHenkka65]

@@toalhitasparabebe THANK YOU!! :-D

[@christophergaus3996]

Ah, photorealistic was not the best term. Photo-convincing is maybe better. I use ortho for my XP11, a convincing fake would be great for XP12

[@yyhbackagain5013]

@@toalhitasparabebe I think he means more like the color correction MSFS has much more contrast bright colors while Xplane 11 always looks like its some kind of slight grey fog and verry boring textures at least a radius of 5-600ft around the airport should look crisp

[@lucywucyyy]

with the water upgrades will the land and water now have a proper transition between them so sea planes can beach properly? and can i waterskii bushplanes?

[@Gtacod5player]

As an XP-11 holder since the Beta in 2016, I am so excited for this new evolution of XP-12! The most exciting new changes for me would have to be the rain effects & the airport environment. Really good job team. Can't wait for the release!

[@alanlej]

The rain effect has already been a thing in XP-11 for a long time with Skiselkov's excellent yet limited Librain addon. What shocked me is they're advertising it as a "wow" new feature whereas anyone like me who actually worked with it and implemented it in addon planes (I'm the one behind the first rain effect implementation on the excellent Rotate MD-80 for example) will see that they extensively reused Librain or copied it down to all of its major limitations. Rain effect could be done way better in 2021 by the dev team itself than what Skiselkov, a modder, could come up with at the time. Bit of a shame really. There's nothing new to be hyped regarding this but they make it seems like it's a brand new feature lol. I'm not so fond of deceptive marketing...

[@jgutierrez09]

So, what specific hardware requirement will I need to run this beauty smoothly...???

[@capt744]

It is a Citation “10”, not “X”. The ground power unit under tow shown is an 115V AC unit. Citations can only use 28V DC ground power units. Hope they can fix it before release.

[@KrateFocksKratesCrateofGaming]

its okay, FS2020 wasn't perfect upon release either...

[@JAYYVOO]

who cares bud. go buy your own "citation 10" if you want to complain so much.

[@sturisa]

These are major and positive improvements, looking forward to the release of X-Plane 12!

[@WaveFlightSimulations]

Awesome guys

[@coyowulf]

will you be offering emergency options, say out of fuel ?

[@ammarbader3068]

First of all, I hope what we saw is not representative of the final product at all! To be clear, I did not expect LR to match the visuals of MFS2020, that is completely nonsense. However, the new version is coming after almost 6 years of the relaese of XP11, so one would expect a major upgrade after such a long time, unfortunately, it is not the case, this fits perfectly as just another minor (overdue) update to the current version. I heard Austin many times talking about the competition and how bad is the technology used in MFS2020 when you fly low, which makes me think he did not spend enough time trying it. Anyway, he insists that a flight simulator is about the realism of the flight dynamics, and I totally agree that MFS2020 flight model is a joke! But then you look at LR team and what they have been working on all this time and you wonder which of these features really support Austin's argument! I think many would agree that among the "not important" features, revamping visuals is what x-plane needed the most, but unfortunately they chose to invest their time and resources differently. IMHO, Austin needs to reconsider his business model and decison making process. I enjoy XP11 more than any other platform and I hoped after 6 years that XP12 would take that enjoyment to another level, I still hope so!

[@RaspySquares]

I agree. Austin doesn't care though. So we will just have to rely on add-ons. The usual business.

[@PierreAlbanGrelletAumont]

at least XP doesn't get stuck with stupid "Xbox mandatory upgrades" for weeks...

[@gordongreig]

@@PierreAlbanGrelletAumont No, you juts have to pay for all those add ons to make the thing half way presentable. xplane 2012 disappearing into the niche corner faster than ever

[@DC3Refom]

Of course it's not the final representation it's still in very early access there's alot of features , systems to be finished and implented

[@noneNone-mw1px]

are you going to update also Cessna 152 just flight by x-plane 12?

[@normalwood7965]

X plane 12!! Keep up an excellent work, laminar team!

[@MAISTAAAA]

Excuse me Mr Austin what are the system requirement for Xplane 12?

[@GrizzAxxemann]

I really hope I can run it on my old FX 8 core. No budget for Ryzen right now.

[@roronoazoro3945]

I love it

[@michael200kg]

What about performance? 5 fps on a top hardware?

[@SwissAvgeek]

I'm wondering about that too... I'm afraid that planes like the FlightFactor A320 are going to kill the frames and fry my pc...

[@michael200kg]

@@SwissAvgeek I mean, that xplane 11, require very high performance hardware. I have freezes on relatively new and powerful computer. Msfs, in comparison, in ultra Mode has 25fps. And it would be great, that xplane 12 will be more optimized by performance, instead of adding New features...

[@SwissAvgeek]

@@michael200kg I would, in fact like to see some optimisations... Oh well we'll see how the developement goes... I'm looking forward to see more about the sim!

[@windshearahead7012]

@@SwissAvgeek I have a high end PC and i get around 35-40 FPS on high settings with FF A320, and around 60 with the zibo in heavy airports. I was getting 40-45 in MSFS with everything on ultra, but that was without a payware FPS killer probably..........

[@ConnorEtch]

Honestly if both Laminar and Microsoft joined forces we'd have a perfect flight sim. Grab the flight model from xplane and the fancy scenery from msfs with detailed plane models and it would be great. I personally think msfs flight model is way too arcade like for a simulator. But I guess that's what happens when you try to cater to console game play. And I know a lot of people don't care too much about graphics but I do, why not? Like I hop into the games to fly around cool scenery and personally you don't get that much with x-plane without downloading a lot of add ons. I know this will never happen but its just a cool concept and I think it would benefit a lot of people. Including both Microsoft and Laminar research. Add in some DCS aircraft for some highly detailed military planes and it would be even better!

[@EthanolEnthusiast]

We can’t have it all

[@rjc0234]

Xplane 12 looks like it has some serious work under the hood,

[@KuroHebi]

I know that the simulator is still in development, but X-Plane 12 can't even begin to rival FS2020.

[@drjklfooryoup7489]

Maybe not graphicswise from the getgo but realism wise and performance wise it is gonna be out of box much better than msfs2020

[@Danimalpm1]

@@drjklfooryoup7489 You can’t have realism without great graphics. My eyes interpret the realism.

[@drjklfooryoup7489]

@@Danimalpm1 Realism in a flight simulator means flight physics and not graphics. At least not as much as flight physics. It is a FLIGHT SIMULATOR and not a world or eye candy simulator. The visuals play a very small role ( maybe 20 %) if it comes to the realism of a simulator. You want great visuals, then play Gta 5

[@Danimalpm1]

@@drjklfooryoup7489 Your opinion. Great visuals are why a lot of people fly IRL, you know. They fly for the views and adapt to the physics of their plane. That’s a weak argument that I’d use too if I only had X plane installed.

[@gordongreig]

@@drjklfooryoup7489 Yeah, that's why they show 15 FPS clips coz the performance is going to be sooooo much better

[@Unknwon__now]

this makes me excited for x-plane 12

[@3790mn]

Wow it's about time you stepped up the mark against Microsoft flight simulator 2020.. It looks and sounds brilliant Well done boys and girls..👏

[@markviehweger6830]

For the past several years I have been living it up in MSFS2020 as so many others are with no regret or remorse. I say this knowing full well that ii will purchase the new Xplane as I always have in support of Laminers Excellent reputation in Software/Flightsim development. I will always support these guys no matter what as someone always has to be there to step up to the big guy. And although I don't see a big jump in the eye candy factor X12, it still seems more functioning then ever over MSFS2020. But mostly I will support the cause I love Flight Simulation. Keep up the work guys.

[@ant2312]

shouldn't be about eye candy

[@bearded_fella]

I don't see xplane beating msfs in the graphics & scenery category. With the PMDG 737 on it way, I think it'll put Xplane to sleep.

[@bearded_fella]

@@johnhnangle I'm not hating on Xplane. There are just sections that Xplane will never catch up to because of their limitations. Mainly the GPU engine, Vulkan vs DirectX. I will always have my loyalty to Xplane, I have thousands of hours in the Zibo.

[@mraviatorboii2510]

What music is that on the F-14 trailer ?