HEAD TO HEAD- Peavey 6505II vs 6505+ - Which One Chugs The HARDEST?!

[@trumancarter1299]

Both sound great..I think the 6505+ has a fuller warmer tone..hard to beat a Mississippi made 6505+

[@wrenchhead6840]

Yea buddy…. Mine is a 2012 model +…. Maybe last year of the meridians….

[@JaimeNoro]

@@wrenchhead6840 Chauvinistic crap. The chinese ones are just as good.

[@blasher4]

I’ve got a 2006 6505+. Absolutely love it.

[@Horcruxxx-xn1ej]

OK SO... the 6505+ has more attack and notes and chords sound more clearer, BUT the 6505ii definetly sounds tighter and fuller. as a fan of both this one is tough. I currently own a USA 6505+ with a mesa 412 and I couldn't be any happier although I'm becoming a HUGE fan of the 6505ii. this was my favorite shootout video by far! thanks Kyle 🤟🏼

[@FEAROWNAGE]

6505+ for what you just stated.

[@belligerentamateur]

Thank you, my man

[@wrenchhead6840]

Yea man…. I have a 2012 USA model + and i love it to death

[@Ron4president09]

@@wrenchhead6840 i second this, early american 6505+ is the ballz

[@satanic6stringbender]

You are quickly becoming one of my most frequented channels! Good work

[@belligerentamateur]

Appreciated!!

[@M3tal_matt]

Honestly I would be over the moon happy with either of these classic metal amps 🤘

[@belligerentamateur]

That's the spirit

[@borges3099]

i own a 6505+ i wouldn't trade it for a II, they're both really good. In a mix the + cuts through nicely. But alone I think the II sounds better.

[@xiwiwix]

Thank you for the video, Kyle! Another great video in the books. The 6505II is definitely the evolution of the 6505/6505+ amps, showing that PEAVEY is listening to modern music and it's players. The difference might be small, but to my ears, they're huge! They answered all the problems of the 6505+, minus the EL34 proper biasing, which I'm sure some one will figure out a mod for soon enough once it's released. Or even better if PEAVEY's listening, make the amp properly support EL34's (if it's possible of course).

[@belligerentamateur]

Same bias mod applies to this as would the 6505+. Swap out a resistor to broaden the range of the bias and done.

[@xiwiwix]

@@belligerentamateur then there it is 🤘🏻

[@tylerobrien2666]

The II definitely does have more clarity and aggression. It also has my vote.

[@BrandonBames]

2022 - year of the Bull

[@last.of.the.v8s]

I have a 6505+ and i run a boss EQ7. The amp is as versatile as id like, from SRV tone to six feet under tone, to pantera, ozzy, its all thanks to peavey. Been playing since 98 and im more of a pantera / sfu tone searcher. This nails it, with a boss eq7.

[@pedrolourenco2707]

the diferences describe imply a change in the circuit (not only transformers) or a very diferent type of 12ax7 in the preamp! 6505II is always more tight and agressive! If you have a 6505 laying around, you can simply cut 3 components out to make it sound morre tight and agressive (R29,R40 and C60)

[@willchug]

Isn’t that specifically just for the combo though. 🤔

[@pedrolourenco2707]

@@willchug nop! i'm talkinh about teh original 5150/6505 head

[@nj1255]

The 6505ii sounds a tad bit more aggressive, tighter and clearer. A bit more modern in short. There was not as big of a difference as I thought it would be though! If it will go for the same price as the 6505+ I don't see any reasons not to pick it over the +. If it will be a couple of hundreds more expensive on the other hand, it might not be worth it. I do love the tight and aggressive tone it has though! That small difference in tone really makes it sound more expensive tbh.

[@LoreAccurateHusky]

Now that I think about it, the new 6505 sounds like it's just been hit with post EQ irl. I bet you could actually drop that in a mix with almost no post EQ and get a good sound.

[@chaoschaoforever]

I definitely prefer the II over the +. I think it takes everything about the + that makes it good and adds aggression and clarity to it that makes the II great. I like the + for what it is as a recreation of the 5150II but I think the 6505II brings the 6505 series into a little more of its own thing rather than a blatant rebranding of the 5150.

[@VladicD]

Man your content is amazing, very good stuff. Dude can you make a video regarding classic OD808 vs TS9. Or maybe huge battle video of all tube screamers in general. That would be great 🙏

[@belligerentamateur]

Thanks man! Maybe eventually I can go down that road. Could be interesting!

[@VladicD]

@@belligerentamateur i am buying a TS and I'm kinda split between OD808 and OD9/TS9 for boosting. Hard to find apples to apples comparison 🤔

[@johnsguitarmusicanddemos]

_I honestly loved the Peavey 6505+ yet the new version sounds pretty tight!_

[@johnfields8745]

Nailed it.... exactly what you're supposed to hear. Incredible demo. I remember when we used to call differences like this "flea farts", but even regular consumers are able to "see" the fleas farting now because of your great and thorough work. Thanks again!

[@belligerentamateur]

High praise, thanks John!

[@dutchyfresh1]

They both sound fantastic. I must say the new one is a welcomed change.

[@phantomflame0658]

The II has way more balls, clarity, tightness, brightness, and most importantly doesn't have the cocked wah PVC tube mid boost thing going on as the + has. I have the + and you need to leave the mids at 5 and bump the presence to like 9. If you want more upper mids add a smidge of treble and less presence. But I feel it's a one trick pony cause there's a certain way you dial it or else it sounds meh. So yeah the II is sick!

[@craigdaker123]

Totally agree. I boost the low mids before distortion and by the time it reaches my amp the presence has to be just barely over 9 or it sounds underwater.

[@TheGgreen100]

I had this video on a 2nd monitor and wasn't really watching it, just listening, and *every time* I heard something I really liked and looked up at the video, it was the 6505 II. I think that tells me everything I need to know. I've always been more partial to the OG 5150's though, so it looks like I'll be getting a 6505 1992 Original when it comes out. Nice!

[@nickharper8145]

Thanks for making this! Recently acquired my first 6505+ and have been curious as to how it stacks up against the newest rendition

[@belligerentamateur]

They both rip

[@nickharper8145]

Agreed! The 5150 was my first tube amp and is what I look up to when it comes to tube amp tones. That there Peavey life (hope to give an EVH 5150 III a try someday.

[@12Jsilva]

Hi man, do you think i can do channel switching on the peavey 6505+ using a helix 4cable method?

[@joshuatucker6214]

Already have a 6505+ and I’ll definitely get a 6505ii I can tell the eq points were adjusted for EL34’s so that’s what’s goin in if and when I get it Awesome video man

[@themog4911]

Just purchased a 6505+ I am a little late to the Peavey party 😃 Thanks for doing these comparison video's, I know it takes a lot of time, money and patience. It was really helpful in choosing which amp to buy :)

[@Ddjram]

Why did you buy the 6505+ instead of the 6505II? I thought they were discontinued and I found a 6505+ new, and I don’t know if I should buy it or just go for the II

[@themog4911]

@@Ddjram I bought a used one from reverb. Mainly because it was in great condition for it's age, and of course it was half the price of a new one.

[@Ddjram]

If you put it that way… make sense lol. Thank you.

[@diyautosolutions1960]

I have owned 2 of the 6505+ model and for the lead channel I just dont see much room for improvement the one thing id like more of is the low end punch I get out of my dual rec I wonder in the room if the 6505ii has more of the punch feel

[@greg24hoareau]

Exactly Kyle the 6505 II seems more aggressive to me even if it’s not obvious I can hear a difference…

[@belligerentamateur]

I agree!

[@kennethjolley]

+ all the way. It just sounds more alive to me. II is tight and just feels muffled. Maybe my speakers are bad. It sounds like a + with a blanket over it then you cut holes in the blanket. Sounds a lot like the evh stealth.

[@beejay79]

Just found your channel. Great work. Also love the off the cuff humor.

[@Jonezzzzzzzy]

Real curious how the 6505II sounds compared to a 5153 Stealth

[@belligerentamateur]

You'll find out soon.

[@xsonicassassinx]

which one i prefer seems to depend entirely on the speed of the riff. 6505+ has that meaner midrange, which gets nasally at high speeds. the 6505 II is cleaner and leaner when you get to playing fast, but is kinda thin with slow stuff.

[@belligerentamateur]

Agreed with that assessment. They're just different enough to possibly excel at different things.

[@matttaylor1449]

More people are using EL34s in their Peaveys then ever. I’d like to see these compared to the 6534+.

[@metalgear74]

On this one too I prefer the II. Kyle has just created an even larger waiting list! They should just sell some of these on discount unloaded (no tubes) if that's all they're waiting for. Obviously they could still play-test them before shipping and then sell them bare. Many of us already have some spare sets and would love the cheaper price.

[@stephan2003]

I wish all amps had the option of being sold without tubes. It’s just nice to be able to choose your own

[@tobins6800]

The winner of this is whoever has either one. Both are great. Kyle, see if you can get your hands on a Red Seven leviathan. I'd love to see your take on it.

[@belligerentamateur]

I'd love to try one too!

[@chronox2]

That volume passed 2... a young kid buys a head take it home and put it at 2 😆 🤣 great video

[@snapascrew]

Nice. Didn’t realize that was a traditional cab, almost looked like the standard at first. Thanks for noting.

[@kreepthedestroyer]

I like both. still prefer the +. it was interesting how much the tone dials kept changing my opinion. one minute I like the 2 more then you adjusted the dials on the + and liked it again. I'd be happy with either. Already have a regular 6505

[@tommasogiuliani3272]

Great job as usual Kyle ! I’ve been using the 6505+ since 2016 as my main amp both for recording and live gigs and this “new” version is simply awesome.The tone is really good and the revisited voicing is spot on both on the crunch and lead channel (i usually use the crunch channel for rhythm, and the 6505II really does sound more tight and aggressive compared to the 6505+) Quick question, these new models come with the same kind of footswitch as the old ones ? Nothing wrong with the 6505+/5150II footswitch, but the one of the 6505/5150 really needs an update in my opinion

[@ashkanm4602]

Amazing comparison! I have a combo of 6505+ and sounds killer . 6505 ll is also outstanding, very clear. Both amps rip for sure 🖤🤟🖤

[@gibsonguitarplayer]

Kyle, you are hilarious! Love the channel.

[@belligerentamateur]

Appreciate ya

[@Blaze_1221]

My other guitarist In my band has the + and the American grime sits well in the mix with my mid pushed Marshall DSL 100HR! American and British tone sit well together apparently! 🤷‍♂️🤣

[@bradschimke5865]

Dude did you try switching the ground switch on the back panel? Anyway I know the difference transformers make especially with all Mercury Magnetics. Also RIP Patrick at Mercury Magnetics as he passed away this past Thursday. 💔

[@PaganFagan]

My biggest question is wether the II will sound that good 15 years later like the plus ;) Great video

[@belligerentamateur]

Why wouldn't it?

[@Evadingmoto]

@@belligerentamateur China

[@LectroStarwalker]

I’ve had both the 6505+ and the 5150II. I have the 6505II now. I personally think it’s a cleaned up version of the +, but all 3 have their own original sounds, which may have alot to do with technology, and age..

[@jeffromhw75]

Thanks kb , both great amps drawing objective straws, i like the new changes overall. Nice job peavey, great job KB

[@SilentScreamsStudios]

Great video man. What size JBL monitors are you using and do you like them. I have the 305p mk2 monitors which are awesome. Thanks

[@madguruJ]

woah its crazy hows much better the 6505 ii is in lower tunings, with focus and aggression, can imagine its awesome for meshuggah type riffing

[@TheAxe4Ever]

The II definitely sounds more “in your face” so to speak.

[@TrickyPickins]

The amp I preferred depended how how you dialed them. I would be happy with either though.

[@redcomn]

Thanks for the comparison Kyle. In one part i kinda dig the tighter ii but somehow i kinda miss the + mids. Oh man decision decision.

[@KaldDodeGitarist]

10:50 Feathers by Coheed!

[@jmlon993]

Kyle, excellent video as always! I am wondering if I could trouble you for some technical advice? I have lately been seeing and reading a bit of contradictory info about the 6505+ effects loop, and am a bit confused. Some say it is a true serial connection, but some sound still comes through when the loop jacks are engaged but the chain is broken, without the 6505+ foot switch connected. So to keep it simple for you, can you please explain the correct way to use the effects loop of the amp, whether it is with or without the foot switch? And could you tell me if it is proper to be using stomp boxes in the loop, or only line level rack effects?

[@alexanderlumberjack]

I would love a 6505ii but i have a 5150iii 50 watt 6l6 as well as the el34 50 watt and ordered a 6505+ cheap from guitar center today so i think im set.

[@maxb7561]

Hey Kyle, I just bought a Peavey 5150II , what do you think versus the 6505 II ? I own a 6505+ USA and it seem more wide in the mids compare to the 5150II. I wonder if the 6505II worth a try ? Thanks man, always great to learn stuff with your videos.

[@mustangguy3706]

Maaan that 6505ii like all the other variance kicks ass!

[@Will.r6]

Peavey settings by matt heafy Pre gain: 3 Treble: just below 6 Mid: just above 2 Bass: just below 8 Presence: 7-8 Resonance: 10 Post gain: 0 Good luck trivium fans 🤘🏻

[@christocaster]

Hi excellent demo man love it!!! I've the EVH 5150 III. 50w and really like it but for a more 90's EV tone do you suggest me waiting the 6505II or the EVH 5150 iconic ? Thanks.

[@belligerentamateur]

Appreciate it man! It's really up to your personal taste. If you like th ePeavey Mids, go Peavey. If you like a more relaxed midrange but still want the 5150 thing, go Iconic.

[@christocaster]

@@belligerentamateur thanks a lot for the reply man. You made a fantastic job testing all those amps and i saw all you vids Lol ... Yes i understand EVH is more High mids focused than Peavey that right. Now i want a 5150 but expensive for an used amp and for me difficult to found a good one. Ok but now with your great experience with all those Van Halen Amps sincerely do you suggest me to wait the New 6505II vs 6505+? Thanks.

[@killerindustries49]

damn they do have their own character ... loving the aggressiveness of the ii ! but man I have the 6505+ so I am biased lol

[@Artificial_Ghost]

A 6505+ with a maxon 808 wax the quintessential metalcore rig. With EMG loaded ESP eclipse on drop c was not just mine but 99% of metalcore rigs in the the early 2000’s That was my first touring rig growing up for god knows how long

[@Artificial_Ghost]

Instead of trying to match both to the same EXACT tone isn’t as effective as using eaches own nuanced strengths

[@derektassie1479]

great review dude. still dig the + more than the II. My personal preference, both are great sounding amps.

[@234dilligaf]

Both amps sound awesome to me. You can't really dial two different amps to the same numbers on the face plate and call that equal parameters with each othe, which I know you already know that. It's still a cool comparison though. You could take either one of those amps and melt paint.

[@belligerentamateur]

Most of my video was dialing different settings to match each other sonically.

[@clintn6677]

Im glad to see you doing the demos with the Duality cause that's what I will be using on it. Although I'm not going for the 6505ii but just the 6505 1992 or whatever

[@belligerentamateur]

I'm very curious to see the changes to tone this will make to the new 6505

[@shahnazashfaq4729]

The 6534+ was my favorite amp. The 6505II can also take the EL34. 6505II is a win. I would LOVE to hear a demo with EL34s

[@PaganFagan]

The 34+ still is my favourite ❤️ I’ll be buried with mine

[@massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002]

I liked the palms on the ii more Living a dream Kyle

[@josefpdx]

I do NOT miss that buzz noise. Why I sold my 6505

[@jed_shred_guitars]

Its the plus for me. Great Vid!

[@cmd_f5]

Overall the II just takes the cake for me. Huge and a bit more aggressive/tight, not as much mid honk as the + either. Both are killer but my cash is on the II. Awesome as always.

[@belligerentamateur]

Agreed on the aggression!

[@michaelgallegos8811]

Kyle wass Up lol 😆Iam on a roll watching U vids bud Thanks 😂😈🤘💥

[@dumpedcabledumpedcable116]

+ for the thickness.

[@zacinnc78]

the II sounds more scoopy and "justice for ally"the + sounds like more snarl and probably better in the mix

[@MKRISING75]

My vote goes to the 6505-2🤟🏻I like the thickness of this one way better!

[@borges3099]

6505+ sounds a bit boxier. they both sound good hi-gain though

[@kenking8573]

why is there no info about the 6505 ii on any website other than your channel?

[@belligerentamateur]

Because I'm the fuckin man

[@kenking8573]

@@belligerentamateur haha. No offense but unless you can tell me the price, when and where to buy one, you’re not the man I need to talk to

[@clintn6677]

Isn't Fluff and Agufish getting one soon too? I imagine the official announcement won't be too far with a bunch of demos out.

[@belligerentamateur]

@@clintn6677 yes I have to send it to Agufish once Im done!

[@belligerentamateur]

@@kenking8573 haha, understood! Unfortunately Peavey hasn't given me those details, and like I've mentioned in other videos about the amp, they don't want to announce it until the amps are on the way to their dealers to avoid any release catastrophes, ala the Invective.

[@JRose342]

Why wouldn’t they update the clean channel!!!! They would sell so many more of these heads

[@greg24hoareau]

Does the presence react the same way was the old one ?

[@belligerentamateur]

Yes, they're the same on the presence knob

[@greg24hoareau]

@@belligerentamateur good that is something I love when you cranked it!

[@JuBahbzkem]

The 2 has a little bit more gain or maybe the high mids are more aggressive. It depends on the style you play. For those heavy and slow riffs i’d go for the 2 but for faster or trashy metal riffs I would go for the +. In general, the + sounds more “raw” and the 2 seems ready to sit directly in a mix. Oh man I wish I could have both 😂

[@belligerentamateur]

The differences are so subtle there really is no reason to own both

[@JuBahbzkem]

​@@belligerentamateur I know, you´re right. I guess I was just sharing my feelings about those subtle differences between them. Both sound incredible anyway. 6505+ has been my favorite amp for metal, hardcore metal, etc for so many years now. Thanks for your videos, you help a lot!

[@12Jsilva]

Hi Kyle, just a question. Would i be able to do amp switching with example an helix via 4cm on the 6505+? Sorry i dont have much experience with using amp heads. Thanks!

[@ScottStieg]

How do you feel about the upper mids?

[@stevenarseneault1972]

If I was to simplefy the sounds for both....the PLUS is best for lead players and the II is best for rhytmn players.

[@belligerentamateur]

Even so, the differences are extremely minimal

[@djxxeess]

UGH....must resist buying another 5150/6505 series amp. BTW...guns on point Kyle 💪🏻

[@belligerentamateur]

Carbs for the unintentional SWELL

[@gastonjabaly]

Idk i personally like the older because of the mids i actually had mine moded back to the original 5150 lead channel and moded the mids because i love mids if i want a scooped tone ill go for a dual rec

[@Zorichai]

Wow, I did not know there was a 6505 II. I thought the + was the 2

[@Clinthopanonymous]

They're so close in sound I think you could EQ either to get the same sound as the other.

[@belligerentamateur]

Almost, but not quite. I tried to do this, and the 6505II was missing some of the mid frequencies that the + has, no matter how you EQ it.

[@genghisghost]

i just got an Engl Savage and i thought i’d cure my GAS….. damn you

[@belligerentamateur]

GAS never dies, my friend!

[@gastonjabaly]

Kyyyyyleeee brutha i dont think phycically match the resonance and precense pots because they changed the circuit and on the new ones ( i heard) the changes are proggresive and on the older ones all the changes happens from 7to 10 am i wrong?

[@belligerentamateur]

You are incorrect, they're identical.

[@MrBuurt]

Love the videos, but am I the only one who dislikes when amp test videos have like 4+ pedals and other stuff on it ? like I know they are for boosts etc. but I wanna hear how the amp vs amp sounds with maybe a noise gate in between or something, I don't wanna know how the amp sounds with 4+ pedals that I don't own.

[@belligerentamateur]

multiple sound samples were peovided with out the pedals being engaged, showing just the amps

[@chriskohh]

Personally prefer the +. It sounds fatter and a bit less fizzy. Also heard the II has a shared EQ which is not my bag

[@belligerentamateur]

Nope, like the videos says, the control layouts are the same. Not sure where you heard that but it's incorrect rumor

[@marshanimal5436]

When does the 6505 II become available?

[@KevinTheMetalhead]

There's a website that says these will ship by July 20th so I assume they'll be out by then

[@superfrenchfry1357]

Any possibility of a 6534 video anytime soon?

[@belligerentamateur]

Man I'd love to. Gotta find one first though!

[@robbyrobby7721]

I have the + it gets muddy and needs a drive pedal to tighten it up.

[@Hadouken5150]

Can’t find a single article online about the 6505 II. When will Peavey release this amp?

[@belligerentamateur]

Wish I could give you an answer man, but it's all dependant on when they get their tube order in so the amps can start shipping. They don't want to announce until they start to ship to dealers.

[@GabrielMateo-rb8mf]

The 6505 || sounds like it was talking to me

[@markolivares6943]

When does the new 6505 2 come out?

[@belligerentamateur]

As soon as the tubes come in!

[@YanniManolakos]

Hey kyle if the price difference between the amps is over 600 bucks would you still go with the 6505 ii over a super clean used peavey 6505+ for much cheaper?

[@belligerentamateur]

I would def go used in pretty much any scenario if the price difference was that steep

[@DB-Studio1]

cool video, Like 6505+ a little more!

[@MilkmanOfMchenry]

The II !!!!! In line to get a 6505 1992 series

[@MDC249]

Whats the story with this 6505ii? He is the only one reviewing it and Peavey's website doesn't have the 6505ii on it. So is this something custom made or where are it being offered and how did you get one?

[@MetalZoned]

In a prior video he explained about how Peavey had sent it to him for an early demo

[@belligerentamateur]

Announcement should come from Peavey soon. They want to wait til the amps are actually ready to ship to announce them

[@MDC249]

@@MetalZoned yea well, i asked him on this video and he answered. Thanks for the input Cpt. Obvious.

[@MDC249]

@@belligerentamateur thank you for the reply, ill keep my eyes open for their release. Think i'd rather have one of those instead of the iconic.

[@MetalZoned]

@@MDC249 please look at the time stamp, my reply to you was before his.

[@jessetate9701]

So when do we get the 6505mkii

[@XxskoolxX]

When is the 6505II coming out?

[@belligerentamateur]

Wish I knew

[@orionfenerty3874]

Are they made in the US or are they still made in China?

[@afterstars]

6505 II takes the win for me.

[@nadyanmrtz]

Now I'm curious how the 6505II compares to the 5150II...

[@belligerentamateur]

5150II is the same exact amp as the 6505+ so this video shows the differences

[@SAIBOT64]

The mids are lower on the II. The only distance I hear,

[@s1wheel4]

The 6505 II reminds me of my Mesa Boogie Triple Rec…might be the cab 😀. 6505+ is better to me. Definitely cut through the mix better.