Xbox and Sony coming after Valve

[@NerdNest]

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[@lgd6619]

After buying a steamdeck and an Rog in the last year, I couldn't imagine a world were I chose to buy back into some console brand and lock myself into a limited games catalogue in closed system designed to bleed every bit of cash out of you it can, it has been shocking discovering just how much freedom you have over any console experience since buying those devices and it would be difficult to go back

[@matdug]

Have you tried remote play for ps5 with steam deck?

[@lgd6619]

@matdug Yes I have and it wasn't awful, however the point is more I would rather not have them at all as they are clearly taking advantage of their closed systems to nickle and dime players with over priced games and unnecessary fee's for services that they created the need for in the first place

[@matdug]

@@lgd6619 Good point. I also save a lot of cash since I own the deck.

[@lgd6619]

@matdug I do prefer the ease of use of consoles, so the deck was the perfect half way between for me, ease of use but without the bill

[@jjjjjjjjjjonathan]

It’s already too late. I’ve bought into Steam. It works. It’s brilliant. It’s beautiful. I’m not buying another home console unless Valve make one. PC is my future now.

[@squiddymute]

the "niche" device however can play 99% of all games ever created

[@catwoe5707]

well said!

[@squiddymute]

@ 😀

[@NerdNest]

It’s still not a popular device. No matter how many games it can play.

[@kazekaz69]

People at work calls my Steam Deck and Ally X as Nintendo Switch 🤣

[@kaycke5073]

@@squiddymute Can play any AAA at 15fps. The rest is 80% shovelware indie games

[@gunzjones]

Sony Vaio PC Handheld attached to a Sony PC game market with DRM provided by Sony so it won't play elsewhere. With proprietary memory, charger and limited 3rd party accessory licensing. Because Sony.

[@MYSOULOFDOOM]

and apple.........😥

[@Talon18136]

Sounds about right 😂 I’ll stick to steam deck

[@MYSOULOFDOOM]

@@Talon18136 I have the rog ally and steam deck myself

[@adrianwilliams6577]

Sony and Microsoft subscription fees will have me shrugging at their offers of a handheld while I wait for another Steam Deck. Steam OS is free courtesy of Valve while Windows costs $, I like cheap games. If handhelds get too popular PC game production quality could take a hit.

[@MYSOULOFDOOM]

and your point is and what I mean by that is at least in regards to the handhelds what's to stop ya from using them as I pc I do with my rog ally since my gaming laptop at the moment is out of commission while I wait for my new charger.

[@Vonliktenstien]

Sold my Switch as soon as the Steam Deck OLED was announced and that's replaced it completely. Definitely not a common sentiment but after TOTK there were no more must plays for me. I had planned on eventually getting the Super Switch but after all of Nintendo's ridiculousness I'm just gonna go all in on Valve. Plenty of indies that scratch that same itch and are guilt-free.

[@ShabazEagle]

I finally got a Steam Deck, and I absolutely love it! I have a gaming laptop, but the Steam Deck is so much better for emulators and lighter games-not really for AAA titles. What I love most is being able to lie in bed, relax, and play games, which I can't really do with my laptop. If the Steam Deck 2 ever comes out and can handle 1200p at 60 FPS with an 8-inch display, I think I’d switch to using it for all my gaming!

[@zk6599]

I can't count the amount of AAA titles that work great on the Deck.

[@ShabazEagle]

@zk6599 Do u call 720 30 fps great ? I test Silent hill 2 n Alan wake 2 n hell blade 2 even stalker 2 the new Trip A Games not working well or barely got 30 fps 720 but if steamdeck 2 somehow handle triple A Games for 1200P 60 fps even with FSR Quality I'm sure it will be the best handheld in the world But steamdeck have a low resolution of u turn FSR it's not player ble so my main problem is performance

[@marksapollo]

Best keep that PC then cause Valve will not be putting an 8" 1200P screen into a handheld anytime soon, for VERY good reason! Battery life and diminishing returns, you'll never see the difference at 8".

[@ShabazEagle]

@@marksapollo Then my best choice steamdeck for emulators n lighter games n laptop for triple a Games

[@retro_ed746]

Deck can aleady run/render 4K on its display. It is downscaled and looks pretty good on 800p display.

[@herreramartos]

If I'm not mistaken, the higher the original resolution, the better the upscaling is, so rendering from 480p to 1080p may not have the result people expect.

[@NerdNest]

I’m just throwing numbers around.

[@ekinteko]

​@@NerdNest Yep. Modern Games around (GTX 1080) 2017-era kind of struggled hitting the 4K resolution. We had upscalers and sharpeners for a while, but they were more of a bonus. Nvidia merely commercialised it with DLSS. If you remember correctly, going from 1800p to 2160p was the sweet spot. It was really iffy going from 1080p to 1440p. And it hasn't improved THAT much today. Going from 720p to 1080p is doable with cutting-edge hardware and software, technologies working together. But we are not at the point yet of upscaling 540p to 720p, let alone 1080p. At least not with a fidelity that is half decent. And in case you're curious, the results would look something like Witcher 3 on the NSwitch. It is an admirable attempt. And this is running on a 2017 handheld that is not much more powerful than a 2005 console. The game looks like something modern that has been defiled. Doom, Eternal, and Wolfenstein don't look much better. And the best example of what you are asking is to see the port of ARK on the NSwitch. That is where we are with developers in this day and age. There is very little Quality Control and they are absolutely relying on technology as a crutch, which gives subpar results, rather than to invest the extra 6-9 months to properly polish the software.

[@IOwnSocks]

I have been playing on PlayStation consoles since the ps2. I got a steam deck oled for myself in the beginning of this year. I sold my PS5 and built a pc too just last month because I wasn’t even touching my ps5.

[@MaoRatto]

Congrats, you saved money as no online sub fee and you can emulate the ps2 on the deck. ;3

[@IOwnSocks]

@ yeah it’s great! emulation was one of the reason I got a steam deck, even been playing ps2 and some ps3 on it. Yeah free online and free cloud save is huge.

[@Pegaroo_]

8:50 They could just use the native resolution that the S uses before it's upscaling as the output for the handsheld which could mean very little work (if any) for devs to make their games compatible

[@samuelpowell8537]

My personal picks for showcasing INDIE games in your videos that don't get the credit they deserve are as follows: 1) Dust: An Elysian Tale, 2) Steamworld Dig 1 & 2, 3) Freedom Planet 1 & 2, 4) Shantae and the Pirate's Curse, 5) Indivisible, 6) Lethal League, 7) Penny's Big Breakaway, 8) The Stanley Parable, 9) The Swapper, and 10) Owlboy.

[@Talon18136]

If anything the switch showed the gaming industry that handhelds are wanted and that there is a market for it the steam deck and other handhelds just cemented that fact I honestly prefer handhelds ever since the game boy color and then all the way to the SP and then into the DS’s when those hit the market the steam deck just lets me play more than just Nintendo games and gives me the option to dock it to my monitors if I wanted

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

I just escaped the strangle hold of the PlayStation economy and sold my 20 years game library to get a steam deck. I don’t care what PlayStation or Xbox comes up with, I’m never going back to them after how poorly they treat their customers.

[@SKAELEE]

This is facts! Sold my ps5 and went too pc in 2021 have not look back since plus playstation handheld will charge people still just too play online thats so stupid

[@xenos_n.]

Nice to see you feature Lake Of Creatures! Really great Isaac-like that needs more traction.

[@Wolfreaper85]

I can see a playstation handheld working in a way if they can do there PSN store being able to download games that you may have being able to work on the all games you may have already purchased or gained via there monthly subscription. Make it like steam. I would also say dump the online fee if they would like to keep the network with a sub monthly fee then make it optional while still giving games like humble bundle does. Microsoft can do this as well, and add on there gamepass subscription if your near a network to stream otherwise to still be able to download the games to the machine themselves. If this were to happen though I could see that they would pull all games off steam since now it would be direct competition to there handheld market. Last mention I would say is they could also offer a console to match the handheld or work with that will play the games at higher frames, and more graphical fidelity no different then having per say like an older pc running a GTX1070 vs a newer pc running a RTX4080 as an example both systems will run the games, but obviously one will do much better.

[@BigDeal0716]

9:57 There are 1000 other changes that need to be made to windows, not just controller support. In fact with steam input existing thats close to the end of the list.

[@SireDragonChester]

Yeah not going happen for mobile ps5 hand held device. Maybe 5+ yrs or more. 1- GDRR6 req more power and does run hot / req very good cooling. 2- Desktop Zen 2/ RDNA2 SoC/APU also runs hot/req beefy cooling and power. Thus why Sony went with liquid Metal for both ps5/ps5 pro. 3 - nobody atm has a handle held device that can do 10+ Tflops in hand held. 4- LPDDR5 or LPDDR5x still can’t compete with Vram / GDDR6 has way more bandwidth 5- battery life would be horrible. Sony could release a ps4 capable in mobile device. The steam deck is great device and is close to ps4 performance. Sony could totally release a mobile Ps4 capable hand held device 2+ Tflops. Ps5 mobile device? Haha no not posable atm. Even gaming laptops at moment have vastly cut down gpus compared to desktop GPU version. Maybe 5 to 10+ yrs will see more capable mobile devices. Just not feasible atm for mobile ps5 (10+ Tflops) hand held device. Sony would have vastly cut down resolution of performance of ps5 games and they prob all run 30 fps. So many ps5 games would req patches to be downgraded. Don’t get me wrong. Valve,steam deck, steam os and Vulkan has proven to the world that Linux is way better os for better performance, and also proof how bloated windows 11 true is. Gaming with Linux on pc is so much better and it’s lighter os vs bloated windows 10/11. Can’t wait when Steam OS finally comes to desktop PCs. I Can finally ditch windows 10. Valve said steam os is coming desktop PCs and other mobile devices. We just don’t know when. I hope it’s before EOL of windows 10.

[@vinco1]

Exactly what I was thinking. In my opinion with how we're starting to have more and more problems shrinking down silicon process nodes due to quantum tunelling, we might not see a ps5 perf handheld device with good battery in even in 10 years. Perhaps I'm too pessimistic but to me things seem to be heading that way. Still, it does not have to be as fast as ps5 to play the games, especially the gpu - as mentioned in the video running the games at a lower resolution on a small screen could be a reasonable compromise.

[@TheAkustikus]

What you are searching for exists today. It's called Bazzite it turns your PC into a SteamDeck. I switched like half a year ago and I will never go back to Windows. Try it it's free

[@calculateddeclination5534]

Sony's new handheld would never allow you to play every single ps1, ps2, ps3, ps4, psp and ps vita game ever made. Maybe then it would work. Even then, digital only is bad unless you're steam. Even then, once gabe retires or perishes of old age, will it still be as great as it is now?

[@justindressler5992]

Nope, i run a gaming pc and ps5 and stream to android device either phone, handheld console, google tv or another windows pc. I can play everything the steam deck can at far less cost and with ultra graphics. All you need is a good WIFI connection which isnt a problem with wifi 6/7. Can even stream remotely if you have decent upstream bandwidth.

[@Specialll_K]

i don't understand why more companies dont bother bringing games to android. You have this huge market that is untapped. most phones today have more power than the switch. Either with ports or translation layers. if valve were to devote resources into projects like winlator and box64, they could massively expand their possible player base.

[@NerdNest]

Publishers taught us that games weren’t worth anything on phones. The race to the bottom made it so that must people won’t pay for games on phone.

[@joed5150]

"Valve inspired" man ya'll really love to just ignore Nintendo and think this is because of Steam Deck when it's 100% because of Switch just like the Switch success is why valve made SD

[@NerdNest]

I agree the deck was inspired by the switch. But Xbox and PS aren’t reacting to switch. If it were because of the switch they would have done it years ago.

[@0Sybylle0]

Let the others fail and make something better later? That is basically what Microsoft does for everything, but they always fail. Aside from the X box, most of their other physical products failed, mostly due to the software... I don't care anyway, I like my SD and would not go back to a windows based system. They can't manage smaller screens, they are still far behind on the touchscreen...

[@darkemperor418]

Indie game must play - Against the Storm

[@AdmiralBison]

Microsoft's Xbox handheld will not be competition. It's going to be Sony handheld vs Switch 2 vs Steam Deck 2/Handheld gaming PCs.

[@dracoalpha]

What if Microsoft is secretly working on a gaming version of windows, instead of making the console Themselves.

[@NerdNest]

That’s what I said they should do in the video

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

And Microsoft should make xbox run that in the future along with making the xbox more upgradable like a PC, give it camm2 ram, give it a socketed apu with three guaranteed generations of upgrades, and use the same chasiz for the x and s series. Also have a slim 5.25 in drive bay for the drive

[@dracoalpha]

Well, in that case, like any pc, notebook or handheld device, that can have the "Windows Gaming OS" or whatever it will be called, Microsoft could allow a lot of third parties to make the device with a lot of options.

[@Richie5903]

If anything else comes from Sony I will be surprised .. but if Sony or Microsoft release a handheld , it will be a streaming device that uses gamepass or playstation plus. There will be no standalone handheld that plays the games directly on the system. Taking away the nonsensical idea of a handheld powerful enough to run those systems and just looking at other requirements , how on earth could you have a handheld that needs to have the ungodly storage. Its never going to happen. Both companies have too much invested in their cloud gaming memberships so a handheld from either will be cloud gaming based.

[@1nine8two39]

PlayStation already has the Portal, also while the psp was far from the first handheld it was the first powerful handheld available so I don’t know why you think Sony wouldn’t make a native handheld device again.

[@shawn595]

Playing vids of Indies while providing the commentary is a great idea.

[@NerdNest]

Thank you.

[@saintlugia]

I don't think the steamdeck pushed people to pc gaming the deck hasn't sold enough to really make such a bold claim

[@danj8038]

the regardless of sales, the deck is the reason pc handheld gaming gained traction, that is truth

[@saintlugia]

@danj8038 I do think that it highlighted portable pcs, the deck and other handheld pcs haven't sold anything remotely significant.

[@Aereto]

Mainly due to restricted distribution of Deck. You saw the up pricing for uncovered regions

[@danj8038]

@@saintlugia give it time, it will soon reach mainstream, this is just the beginning

[@saintlugia]

@danj8038 as of yet it hasn't so I stand by saying the steam deck hasn't pushed people to pc gaming

[@DavidBerger-g2h]

Almost everything that is not Multiplayer can be run on the Steam Deck. For indie games its like 99.98% never had a Indie Game not run on the Steam Deck tbh after playing 400 Games.

[@BiscuitMan2005]

Both would be e-waste to me considering the value of a pc handheld vs locked down handhelds from the console makers

[@gdot1803]

Nintendo 3rd party sales are dead if Sony makes a handheld. It would relegate the Switch 2 to a 1st party only device, because most people wouln't realistically buy downgraded 3rd party multiplatform games on Switch 2 when they can buy them on more powerful handhelds. That's why Sony are doing this, to kill Switch 2 software sales and stop people from buying 3rd party games for Switch 2 when they can buy them on PlayStation store instead. On the handheld PC side, it's not really an issue and doesnt really matter to Sony, because Steam is everywhere, it's on your PC, laptop, handheld and soon to be on a standalone Steam VR headset. Steam isn't a handheld or a console platform, it's a PC platform, which device you choose to play your Steam library on is up to you.

[@PoeLemic]

Show an indie: "The Swapper". It is a spectacular game that I have so loved. It's got many levels and each one is fun & different. Quite an experience. RPG plus Platformer w/good narrative.

[@mikes333]

I seriously thought Microsoft got their shit together with a game plan by acquiring Acitivison/Blizzard, and then Zenimax/Bethesda but it's quite evident that they have no fucking idea on what they're doing anymore.The fact that they have not yet completely dominated the games industry with their Game Pass subscription shows that they just don't have a clue on how to take advantage of what they own. Microsoft should NOT be in the games console business. They should be pushing their Game Pass subscriptions with their huge AAA game catalog to EVERY SYSTEM out there. SteamDeck, PS5, Switch, Windows computers, Macs, and Linux computers and the never ending list of handhelds already on the market. They should just try to dominate the software side of gaming, and leave the hardware alone.

[@zackbob6]

LOVE Shotgun King! First roguelite Ive ever finished

[@kaiisei.]

You can turn off the windows admin popups in windows settings. I hear you mention this quite a few times. Give that a try! There is a security risk to this, but as long as its primarily a gaming device I do not see it being a problem.

[@acegear]

due to insane prices for gpu its better to buy build a workhorse pc basic gpu that will last 10yrs for the next upgrade and play on steam deck thats my take with the flops of AAA games no point in getting the latest and greatest gpu with the race for hand helds kinda idiotic sacrifice better performance for a bigger screen resu hope those 2 will not race for 4k on an handheld which games only last 30mins

[@stepe416]

SD is quite chunky 🤔 still prefair switch concept.

[@brehxn]

They cant compare it to steam deck because steam decks literally a handheld computer that plays better than my laptop and ps4 does

[@Zetchzie]

Sony has no business in the hendheld market. The switch and steamdeck are the kings. After the Vita it will only be for enthusiasts that want to make homebrew and not the casual market

[@DrakkariX]

I would buy a new PSP where I can play my PS4 and 5 library on the go on day 1. No questions asked. Just take my money!!!!!

[@techzone2009]

I hope they also use linux as their base ❤❤

[@techheadcentral5472]

@techzone2009 I'm not seeing thay as Playstation and Xbox has their own platform so Linux wouldn't be a good move especially if they already have their own ecosystem the point is to get people into their ecosystem and library of games as seeing system isn't where the profit is

[@X862go]

Now, if steam could be more like GOG 👍🏼

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

Ok so just make steam drm free

[@Matt-mh5ud]

Does that include losing over 99% of what Steam currently offers to give up DRM? It's a developer level issue. GOG's greatest asset is also it's Achilles heel. It's a niche product nonetheless and it's why GOG cannot grow, but glad the two can coexist

[@X862go]

@Matt-mh5ud what's that 99% you're speaking of?

[@X862go]

@Matt-mh5ud it's an online store that does updates everyone dose that. STEAM is just where the cool kids are nothing more. Yeah, a decade ago, they were different, but not anymore.

[@X862go]

@Matt-mh5ud I'll take owning my games any day over a slick UI, sorry.

[@illegalalien6542]

What, a nerd next video shorter than 15 minutes?, color me surprised!.

[@NerdNest]

What can I say. I’m a talker.

[@Archate]

The reason why i stopped ysing ps or cbox is cause they very closed evo systems. Really expensive games even the ones that are 20y old. I reckon they gonna flop

[@ashir555]

I will tell everyone the future: Nintendo will release a weak console with the Switch 2, maybe with better joycons. About 1 or 2 years after the launch of the Switch 2, Nintendo will shut down the actual eshop in order to sell to the fans the same games, all over again!, but it will not matter because Nintendo fanboys are a serious case of brain damage, so they will buy the game again adn even will prise Nintendo... Sony will launch a restrictive system, very powefull, they will create a new tier of PS+ so they can get more money charging fans twice. With the launch of the PS5 Mobile the exclusives that came to PC 5 years later, now will came 10 years later, because Sony will not release an exclusive for PC as it will end up in a Steam Deck. It will not matter because Sony will kill this new portatil console of theirs, just like they killed the Vita back in the day to focus on the current main console, back then it was the PS3, now it will be the PS6. Microsoft it's the only real competition for the Steam Deck. If they can find a way to make a nice interface and run games natively on a portable Windows, even those games with the launcher we all love; add the amount of games available with Game Pass, and it could make Valve have a bad time... but in the end nobody will give a rat's ass about a Microsoft console. Valve will release the Steam Deck 2, and it will be better, better graphics, better battery, better EVERYTHING, and everyone will be happy to have one and don't fall into the temptation of buying a portable game console... unless you live in latin america, the Deck 2 will never be launched here, just like the first Deck, because Valve don't give a shit about latin american market... So, if you are lucky enough to live in a first world country and you can't decide what portable console buy in the years to come: go with Valve, it's a sure win.

[@jakesmith5278]

Xbox are full of people with zero talent. They are no leaders or innovators, they are plan old followers. This holds true for Sony as well somewhat. Leave the charge of creativity and innovation to Nintendo as always.