Xbox Bans Emulators in Retail Mode... | MVG

[@theredblooper]

I had a feeling using Retail Mode for emulation was flying a bit too close to the sun, but its still sad to see it not supported any more.

[@OneLastScholar]

Porting Xenia probably sealed the deal, it was directly competing with Microsoft Store.

[@applehazeva2739]

@@OneLastScholar thats my guess too. :/ damn. I really wanted to see Switch and PS3 on my Series S

[@namename2040]

​@@applehazeva2739 you can still pay like twenty dollars for dev mode. Or does series S not have that?

[@coleas2]

still need to spend $20 to get access to developer mode. On X or S

[@albrechtherholdt5140]

​@@OneLastScholar They said they had legal issues with Nintendo. So its Nintendos fault.

[@TiJayFLY]

6:26 This is what bothered me too. Delisting from stores is fine, but disabling existing apps on a user's machine is not cool.

[@DoritosBurger]

Look at it this way. If this was Sony or Nintendo your account would be banned, so compared to those two Microsoft is still the good guy here.

[@runninginthe90s75]

​@@DoritosBurger So true, Nintendont and $ony are the worst gaming company and the most overrated too!!

[@punishedhek7495]

pay 20 bucks and youll be fine

[@reactking7093]

​@@DoritosBurger Does sony block Playstation emulators on xbox?? Cmon man

[@applehazeva2739]

@Shaggy Rogers IKR?!

[@123Dargor]

You really don't want to motivate hackers to go after your console. From what I've see, when it comes to piracy, the harder someone makes it, the more motivated pirates are.

[@GreenLeefMusic]

My console was set to "Always On" but hadn't been used in ~ a week since I got a much better gaming laptop. I unplugged my router, forgot my network connection and set offline. Lo and behold my Retail Mode emulators all still work. It is funny they mentiom part of the reason was they "require permissions beyond normal app usage which could be considered a security concern". It is like they accidentally showed their cards and could be potentially exploited by the few consoles that still have access like mine.

[@bustergundo516]

*Motivated*

[@nickwallette6201]

@@GreenLeefMusic I'm not convinced that was a real concern. "Requires permissions beyond normal app usage" .. like what? The only reasonable answer I can come up with is how emulators essentially require external file I/O, through USB or network protocols. The fact that this was ever permitted at all means that the Xbox team have pretty high confidence that their fortress is well secured. That does not bode well for the opposition party. Good luck, hackers. I always like to see every console busted wide open, because the further we go, the more they tighten the screws, and the less likely there will be any ability to enjoy this stuff 15+ years from now.

[@rx1834]

@@nickwallette6201 Yeah that part is complete bullshit. These system are so locked down that there's no way an app can simply "require permissions beyond normal app usage" without it being fully supported and in-spec. And the idea of delisting the apps instead of patching the vulnerabilities is laughable.

[@joemck85]

There is a certain type of person who just wants to run Linux or emulators for old consoles on a system. They are often against piracy and are happy to buy any current games they want to play on the console, so as long as they're able to run their Linux and retro emulators they don't search for exploits that would give full control of the system and enable widespread piracy. This is the group Sony wronged back when they took away the "other OS" option on the PS3. They were happily running Linux under a hypervisor that didn't give access to the full capabilities of the system, but once they were motivated, they quickly found and released a full control exploit to get back what was taken away. And of course that led to easy-to-install custom firmware that seamlessly loads games from iso files. Seeing as how Microsoft is just closing a loophole and leaving the same $20 option that was open since the start open, it's probably not going to enrage people enough to crack the system. If they get into delisting actual purchased apps and yanking them from people who paid, it might though.

[@RetroTechCorner]

The real problem here is that MS can effectively disable any game/application you have on your system. Slowly but surely they pretty much killed physical ownership and now they can kill "digital ownership" as they wish. It's game over for game preservation, collecting etc. Sad.

[@amnril]

This is the very reason I still buy physical copies of games.

[@RetroTechCorner]

@@amnril The problem is that most of the physical games are just a pathetic shell and you still need to go and download the "real" game... but yeah - I still buy them...

[@amnril]

@@RetroTechCorner Yes, sadly that is a problem for many games (not all of course) but tbh, I’d rather that than digital in many cases. I often pick up GOTY editions as they usually have all updates and DLC included.

[@mazyata9958]

You will own nothing and be happy. Is anyone surprised?

[@MetallicBlade]

If you haven't been sleeping under a rock, Valve's Steam platform just about singled-handily managed to kill-off physical PC games over the course of almost two decades. And now its coming over to the consoles.

[@andocobo]

Blocking apps which breach their ToS and removing games just because they’re old or whatever are two VERY different issues

[@BallisticGhast6]

Agreed. It would’ve been nice if they just cut off UWP apps like that while letting us who had them installed before the ban to still use them. Like that’s how it is when phone apps get removed from the play stores and they still work until a major OS overhaul update makes them useless

[@WackoMcGoose]

@@BallisticGhast6 Actually, that last part isn't 100% true, Apple and Google _absolutely_ have the capability to remotely delete specific apps (or versions of apps) from your device, sideloaded or not, jailbroken/rooted or not. Google's version is called Play Protect (idk the name for the apple equivalent), and it's basically a blocklist of APKs that, supposedly, are "deemed to be malicious" and are automatically deleted on sight from the client device, without warning to the user. They did this to kill any remaining installs of Google Play Music after people found and began distributing a pre-killswitch version of the APK, and if a nationwide TikTok ban comes to pass, Google (and Apple) will almost surely be ordered to add that app to their blocklists as well, to forcibly remove them from client devices (because merely removing it from the app store isn't gonna stop anyone, nor will DNS blackholing, etc)...

[@nebiyumeseret]

The only annoying thing about dev mode is the default settings that asks you if you want to delete all of your files when exiting. Other than that, I started using it for about 2 weeks now and have been loving it. Still unfortunate this has happened but makes sense.

[@ssj99gohanisthebest48]

Get Safe Exit, keeps all your stuff intact

[@billyhatcher643]

im not paying for that mode just to use emulators we need a hacker community around this series of consoles to show microshaft their shit isnt secure

[@fmccloud]

@@billyhatcher643 k

[@niallmcardle7]

@@billyhatcher643 I'll wire you the $19 if it gets you to shutup about it.

[@JohnGatsbyThe3rd]

​@@billyhatcher643skill issue

[@sIosha]

Wow they actually called out Nintendo. I was expecting the typical non-answer.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

From U.S. V. MICROSOFT 2001: COURT'S FINDINGS OF FACT "411. Many of the tactics that Microsoft has employed have also harmed consumers indirectly by unjustifiably distorting competition. The actions that Microsoft took against Navigator hobbled a form of innovation that had shown the potential to depress the applications barrier to entry sufficiently to enable other firms to compete effectively against Microsoft in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. That competition would have conduced to consumer choice and nurtured innovation. The campaign against Navigator also retarded widespread acceptance of Sun's Java implementation. This campaign, together with actions that Microsoft took with the sole purpose of making it difficult for developers to write Java applications with technologies that would allow them to be ported between Windows and other platforms, impeded another form of innovation that bore the potential to diminish the applications barrier to entry. There is insufficient evidence to find that, absent Microsoft's actions, Navigator and Java already would have ignited genuine competition in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. It is clear, however, that Microsoft has retarded, and perhaps altogether extinguished, the process by which these two middleware technologies could have facilitated the introduction of competition into an important market. 412. Most harmful of all is the message that Microsoft's actions have conveyed to every enterprise with the potential to innovate in the computer industry. Through its conduct toward Netscape, IBM, Compaq, Intel, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense profits to harm any firm that insists on pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's core products. Microsoft's past success in hurting such companies and stifling innovation deters investment in technologies and businesses that exhibit the potential to threaten Microsoft. The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly benefit consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not coincide with Microsoft's self-interest."

[@purelogarithm]

That person is not actually an official Xbox rep speaking on behalf of MS - they are a QA person. we don't even know if they are correct as to the reason. A real PR statement isn't going to name companies.

[@runninginthe90s75]

One thing i could say to Nintendo is f*ck Nintendo and Nintendrone who defend this company for doing shitty business which forced Microsoft to shutdown emulator!! Nintendo and PS are the worst gaming company ever exists, the most overrated too !!!

[@jasonmartinez5116]

The Nintendo thing was recently debunked, they removed them as a result of their policies stating that any software that emulates a system isn't allowed

[@Dracossaint]

@@jasonmartinez5116 debunked, or putting out fire?

[@stealfromwork]

I agree that MS being able to block already installed applications this way is concerning. Might even be the real headline here.

[@bryceh4439]

They've done it before... on PC. ElDewrito in 2018... A defender definition update marked the exe as a virus.

[@o0Donuts0o]

If the concern is that MS has blocked this specific app, then I do agree with MS in the approach for this instance. Malware is a concern because it becomes MS’s problem to resolve because of the carelessness of the consumer. If the concern is that MS may block any app ad-hoc then yes you may worry but that is a worry for an event that hasn’t happened.

[@Ephicx]

@n n Rather just not buy a device I don't own.

[@mateostenberg]

Sorry but why is this somehow not expected and couldn't be used in an appropriate way? Most if not all apps anywhere check for updates on startup for ease of use, hence they connect to official servers at least momentarily. Complain about that all you want, but keeping apps *connected to your official servers* safe, legal, and stable is obviously necessary.

[@RubMySweatyThighs]

@@mateostenberg and this is why it's pretty much useless when using an Xbox offline because of this practice it's shady as fk to kill an app people already have downloaded

[@DammitJeff]

This is why I never advocated for retail mode when it comes to emulators! While it's very clear cut from MS's side that Dev mode is free rein, Retail mode has never had that same promise, so this was inevitable from the beginning. Still totally worth it to install Dev mode though! I still transition between modes pretty seamlessly.

[@demontferrat]

I don’t even get how dev mode emulation worked for so long, it was too dangerous for ms to have it allowed playing games that are currently available in the Microsoft store and not only SNES era games. At least anyone that wants to play can do on dev mode.

[@Jollofmuncher2000]

after you get dev mode, is the process of getting the emulators and games basically the same?

[@NickJR528]

​@@Jollofmuncher2000 Yeah, but with some extra steps

[@umamifan]

Exactly. People knew better than this. Dudes who were using dev mode beforehand didn't need all of this negative attention from MS due to people doing dumb stuff like uploading to retail mode nonstop even when the apps would get removed time and time again. Did the retail mode uploaders expect MS to not care when they uploaded Xenia onto their own store??? People can't be arsed to do things right and just use dev mode, which MS never cared about??? I can't even believe that retail mode users are acting like they're entitled to use retail mode for emu when they were never even allowed to have those apps uploaded there in the first place!

[@avae5343]

Dev Mode will be next. They won’t allow Xenia to be installed via dev mode and since they took down everything to take down Xenia…

[@systemmonitor5295]

With Dolphin coming to Steam, what if Microsoft starts listing emulators in their Microsoft Store as standalone apps?

[@funfact6880]

MS doesn't care that much about their customers to do it.

[@soundspark]

Apparently RetroArch is listed in the command-line Winget store.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

It gets tricky with game licenses. It would be legal if you have the original disc. However, that can get complicated quickly

[@Imseeking]

They are looking into it!

[@soundspark]

@@Imseeking The message seemed to suggest they'd only approve specific apps specifically licensed by game or platform developers.

[@armstrong1990]

I had thought Dev mode was the only way to utilize homebrew emulators. I haven't looked into dev mode on my Xbox One X but may start looking into that soon!

[@sbrader97]

It was originally dev mode only for years but they had added a way to install apps which arent in the store in retail mode but now there blocking it

[@MMOchAForPrez]

I thought they restricted consumer access to dev mode in the past couple years. Am I wrong?

[@sbrader97]

@MMOchAForPrez I think it was just a mistake that they disabled some peoples dev mode access they renabled there access once they realised the mistake

[@coleas2]

Dev mode requires more setup that the retail mode but once you understand it it's pretty easy

[@DomenicSlapperX]

They removed emulators from retail mode to get gamers to pay for dev mode they saw a chance to take advantage now we see there true face

[@startedtech]

I had a feeling this was going to happen ever since it was first possible. Just seemed inevitable

[@derealized797]

I thought it would happen eventually, but i also had this feeling about the series S... mostly judging from what we've seen in the past. I thought that, eventually, there's going to be a *lot* of used series S out there, and they'll be cheap. And maybe, people are actually going to start really *wanting* these things because of a mod of some kind. Use as like a pc or emulation machine or something. That was one of my early predictions anyway. But it's hard to say, since things aren't all like they were in the past. Although there's some highly intelligent and talented people out there who do make amazing things happen despite the odds.

[@lordsosa9383]

hahahahahahahah i had a feeling you would cry about boy get at me noob

[@lordsosa9383]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha you are noob

[@derealized797]

@@lordsosa9383 cope harder. Maybe your mom will buy you something nice if you keep doing your homework, then you won't need to fail at trolling like this anymore

[@lordsosa9383]

@@derealized797 im no troll im the biggest baddest boy in the world boy so you better watch your mouth

[@JoshF848]

I can't lie, I suspected this would happen when the standalone Dolphin and the PS2 emulator were released. it was so good, and also so easy that I wondered how long MS would allow it. I have the same concern with Dolphin coming to Steam - if emulation gets too big, too easy and too widespread, that's what's going to motivate the likes of Nintendo to step up their efforts to shut it down entirely. It almost needs to stay inconvenient enough that only enthusiasts will bother with it.

[@ransacked]

Lol why all the doom and gloom? Nintendo/Sony and Microsoft can't do anything with emulators. Emulators are legal. Pirating roms is not. Nintendo can't do a thing about dolphin coming to steam. They have lost so many court cases and will continue to do so. As long as they don't provide ways to circumvent the need for bios or keys you'll be able to use your favorite emulators.

[@M_CFV]

Nintendo would not have won any lawsuit with Microsoft pertaining to this issue. Microsoft just caved since it also helps Microsoft to remove these emulators (think xenia cutting into profits, and the read/write permission debacle)

[@FriedEgg101]

The steam deck is marketed as an alternative to windows gaming. If valve removed emulation from the steam deck everyone would just install windows, and steam os would die. Emulation has been driving the sales of the steam deck since launch basically. And then you have all of the chinese companies releasing small handheld emulation devices. If nintendo wants a fight they're going to have to fight everybody. My guess this is an independent decision by microsoft, and has little or nothing to do with nintendo.

[@sixdroid]

@@ransacked they keep with that bullshits. they don't know. they should stop writing bullshits about this thread

[@sixdroid]

@@FriedEgg101 wtf you saying? another bullshit. steam deck is not just emulation and every emulator runs on Linux. you keep saying bullshits.

[@paulbrooks4395]

We so often come back to the problem of ownership in digital media. Anything that has an online-required component-even if the totality of the code is on the machine-can be blocked, deleted, or banned from your system. This is beyond absurd. In the enterprise space, you can use things indefinitely with many hardware ir software packages, but if you don’t pay for support, you don’t get updates or vendor help. That’s fine. You literally get what you pay for and it’s yours. Too many companies have put retail products behind license server logins on run. Single player games that run the AI and store player data server-side only are just galling. The situation just plain sucks for anyone who travels, or has any issues with local networking/services. It makes what would be a good game experience either bad or impossible. And this all sidesteps issues of rights ending, companies going out of business, and planned obsolescence.

[@nickwallette6201]

"In the enterprise space, you can use things indefinitely with many hardware ir software packages, but if you don’t pay for support, you don’t get updates or vendor help. That’s fine. You literally get what you pay for and it’s yours." Oh don't worry, that's changing too. Especially with SaaS. People need to stop choosing convenience over rights, or else we're going to have neither. Digital-only consoles should sit on the shelf and collect massive layers of dust. This is important, and it's almost too late.

[@alex.starostin]

I have a feeling emulators will be back on retail pretty soon in one way or another

[@thomsonsalimon4129]

hope so. i was planning on doing this on my series s

[@brandonsharp1495]

​@@thomsonsalimon4129Still can just gotta buy the 20 for dev mode

[@jaymoore6880]

They will it always happens in time

[@Richiefreshhh]

You guys don't seem to really understand what happened this time.

[@Zansekai]

@@Richiefreshhh You wanna enlighten us?

[@RacerX-]

As you said, this was inevitable. EMU devs found a loophole and exploited it. Did anyone really think that MS was not going to plug the loophole? It's a shame but totally expected.

[@VADemon]

The Stockholm Syndrome is strong. People calling _the freedom to run own programs_ (on the hardware you bought) a "loophole".

[@someguy4957]

but at the same time they're dictating what someone can do with a piece of hardware they paid for...

[@hansennoah1]

​@@someguy4957its sad that this standard is seen as unachievable and "too good to be true" today

[@demontferrat]

@@someguy4957 you can still run emulators as long as you go dev mode. They are basically limiting what you can do on retail mode and if you were at risk of legal processes from Nintendo or sad devs that see their games(from Xbox OG era) being emulated for free instead of purchased through the store, you’d do the same. You can still do whatever you want with your hardware as long as it’s not in retail mode, you can do way more than you can do on a switch or a PS5.

[@VeProducctions]

​@@demontferrat There's nothing illicit or illegal about using an emulator, that lawsuit would never stick. If Microsoft thinks that emulating is illegal then they would have blocked emulators in dev mode as well, it isn't like a game dev who was upset about emulation is suddenly going to be ok with it because you have to pay MS $20 for a dev mode license.

[@sylvoen]

this kinda stuff is why i wish xbox had a bigger modding\hacking scene. i assure you, knowing microsoft, whatever measures they put in place to block emulators from launching are ridiculously easy to circumvent if you put enough time and effort into it.

[@Cracko298]

I could care less that Microsoft patched this. I only ever used Developer Mode.

[@solidsnake6405]

Xbox can't be modded past the 360. Hackers rely on software exploits, but since the vast majority of Ones and Series are kept updated this route can't happen.

[@BlackBirdNL]

It's already easy to circumvent. Pay a small fee and run your console in dev mode.

[@lostdeath4202]

@@solidsnake6405 not really I have a Mod Chip in my OG Xbox. You can bypass hardware and if it’s dependent on that hardware you can bypass a specific part of that hardware.

[@RandomGuy37]

Anything Microsoft does is easy to circumvent. Windows 11 system requirements anyone?

[@singletona082]

I didn't realize emulators were in retail mode i thought it was always in dev mode.

[@kitemett]

yeah same.. Finding out after the effect. Nintendo threatened to sue with also mentioning it will allow hacking to find weaknesses in the system for an open hack. Of course they were going to fold.

[@le4-677]

You were properly misguided, otherwise you may have tried it in retail mode like the other dummies

[@crystalwater505]

Same. Surprised they were available through their legit store.

[@sixdroid]

he even made a video

[@Stormlywing]

@@crystalwater505 Sadly Google don`t face Nintendo FINES and thier apps that can steam movies for FREE you will see many PS1 to PPSSPP emulators which may emulator DS GAMES

[@retrogamer64007]

When Xenia was added that crossed the line. Microsoft got aggressive because it’s own console was being emulated

[@SYS_Alberto]

That's a cope.

[@MisterAlexEsquire]

I switched from Dev Mode to Retail when the whole "whitelist" thing went away in favor of just Discord notifications. I don't like the dual-boot rebooting (as I do have a few XB games), and I also found it challenging to update my Dev Mode apps. Additionally, I did have a couple of accidental wipes of my Dev Mode partition... which is easier to do than I'd like and which is a non-issue in Retail Mode. But oh, well. It's kind of a moot comparison at this point. I'll have to set up Dev Mode again from scratch if I want to run my emulators.

[@Mospen]

This change is not surprising but I'm glad it appears Dev Mode will remain available to utilize for emulators going into the future. Licensing and business relationships are tricky things to maintain and I totally see why Microsoft enacted this policy change. Great video and thoughts MVG!

[@avae5343]

Dev mode is next, they’re not gonna let you sideload Xenia and play pirated 360 games. Patching that out in dev mode is taking longer hence it’s fine right now.

[@davidhalper6447]

​@@avae5343 so basically just dont update, or roll back if possible? I don't know adam from eve here, but isn't this a story as old as time?

[@avae5343]

@@davidhalper6447 Did you buy your series s as an emulation box?

[@tristanraine]

@@avae5343 are you stupid? an azure dev literally said they not going to touch dev mode, also if they block that, they'll just make differently signatured program since dev mode allows you to run any UWP custom apps.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

why did they not block developer mode on Xbox consoles but blocked retail mode for emulators.

[@dewottmaster7720]

It's always Nintendo that pulls the plug on people having good fun, that's why I stick to Dolphin on the PC since then, Nintendo can't do a thing but cry as they kiss my ass.

[@joesterling4299]

Right. Why even try emulating on garden-walled platforms? Play on open platforms like the PC. No one can block that.

[@Krushak8888]

If it involves games that aren't being sold, I can say yes, but there are people out there jail breaking switches to run anything or ps4s/ps5s... and yet you act like a company doesn't have a right to stop it

[@dewottmaster7720]

@@Krushak8888 Nintendo workers aren't going to struggle to put food on the table because I'm emulating Paper Mario TTYD from 2004.

[@Theraider-ki6ez]

@@dewottmaster7720 Greedy pigs.

[@tgheretford]

Until they pressure Microsoft to mandate SmartScreen on every Windows install and block emulators there too. At that point, the only option will be Linux.

[@V1CT1MIZED]

An azure dev said Microsoft wants to add emulators officially. They just need to figure the legality of it all. Edit: this is mentioned in the video

[@mmpsp693]

Emulators are legal in the US, and in several other countries, there's no debate on this. Roms and bios must be provided by the user, as they are still copyrighted

[@erxer1]

I think it's more an issue with licensing any copyrighted assets rather than the legality of emulation itself

[@KevKlopper]

yeah we all know they will never make a "legal" emulator where you just have to supply an illegal bios ... not happening

[@GrandmaSledgehammer]

Could mean more emulation sites getting taken down if that happens?

[@Finnishmanni]

If microsoft is going to make their "own" nintendo and sony console emulators with resolution tweaks etc, they could really get in trouble. I mean with this the other companies could sue them for making a way to play their older games, but with better resolution and performance. The other companies' could be planning to re-release these older games on their systems and thus microsoft is bringing their future sells down. Even if it's the users who are providing their "own" games, this will still look bad for microsoft. IF microsoft would win the case, it means that sony and nintendo could as well make their "own" emulators and thus people could just play every systems games on every system. That could set back microsofts plans to have gamepass on other consoles too. Why even have a gamepass if you can already play most of the games for free. Why even buy the switch online if you can play every retro game on every system already, why buy the PS plus higher tiers when you can play every retro game on every console... FOR FREE. I really dont see a future where this is going to happen.

[@StudiosUntold]

Tips from someone that uses Dev Mode with zero issues: 1. Use Safe Exit to leave Dev Mode. Everytime. 2. Never use the internal storage for your side loaded apps 3. Use a USB 3.0 drive. I have a 128GB drive and it has more than enough space for all of my games and files 4. Go to settings and change your default menu to Retail Mode. This will make your Xbox have the normal home screen when you go into Dev Mode instead of the Dev Home.

[@TekMerc]

I would imagine that part of their agreement with Nintendo to get them to support their Activision acquisition included them removing *edit* the ability to emulate */edit* Nintendo properties from their store.

[@M_CFV]

This is more than that, theyve always removed the emulators from the stores. This is blocking people from using the apps they downloaded months ago. Also, emulators aren't "nintendo properties". No nintendo properties were uploaded except arguably AM2R with its assets, which surprisingly, AM2R still launches.

[@TekMerc]

@@M_CFV indeed so, but Nintendo are pretty infamous for legal action (actual or threatened), not to mention lobbying for laws, to protect their properties against a multitude of entities who may or may not deserve such action. I can imagine that this is just collateral. Anyway, just my uninformed opinion. Could of course be completely off the mark.

[@magicjack4076]

Even if it’s not Nintendo property, they might be a little upset seeing Mario 64 being played on Xbox so to get the deal signed with Nintendo they got to block emulators. Microsoft can say that the emulators on retail mode breaking tos are banned and everything in dev mode is fine cause they have no say in what files developer’s download in a walled of sandbox

[@sixdroid]

wtf you saying? it's Nintendo business to have cod running on switch. they earn from that, more then Microsoft. you can't say they said to Microsoft to remove something to have cod running on switch? what? they earn from that more then Microsoft

[@sixdroid]

@@magicjack4076 bullshits. Mario 64 runs from years in every emulators. they cannot do anything about the emulator. it's legal. stop with that bullshit. emulators are legal.

[@shidoengie9503]

Welp here starts the cat and mouse game of homebrew....

[@EvilishDem0nic8732WhatItDo]

And How!

[@Harmonic14]

Nah, dev mode is still a thing

[@le4-677]

MVG and your empty threats 🤣🤣 If you can’t afford $20, you have bigger problems than hacking a console

[@lezlienewlands1337]

This power to block installed apps is concerning. What happens if the Microsoft backend gets hacked, or a rogue employee with access just decides to block whatever they want?

[@funfact6880]

Anything, that's what you get when you buy a console. Rental hardware and software.

[@michealfunickrr3717]

As long as you set your Xbox offline open each game whilst online set offline then open each game again offline you will not loose access to your games. If hacks arrive you can safely enter Microsoft network risk free. My Xbox series x has been offline since Nov 2021 I get a few errors but they should go away once hacks are released and Microsoft is blocked by DNS and spoofing. And a fatal crash interceptor. Let’s hope!

[@michealfunickrr3717]

Settings: set Xbox as HOME xbox.

[@michealfunickrr3717]

Highlight: I get a few errors but they should go away once hacks are released

[@michealfunickrr3717]

The dreaded DRM errors. I should’ve wrote them down... I’m sure you can find them if you need to. Anyways let’s hope that fixes ALL those errors!

[@nickvirgili2969]

Ive had dev mode, only used retail for its simplicity instead of going back and forth. My games in dev mode arent getting sound through dolphin for some reason, not sure if theres problems with dolphin or dev mode. I also think i heard theyre not selling dev mode anymore for new accts.? Is that right ?

[@huldu]

It's very sad to see things like this happen but more about what you said about them blacklisting things whenever they see fit and there is little you can do about it. Just one of those things I really dislike about live services.

[@Just_normal_youtube_channel]

Bro, people were emulating 360 games. Of course Xbox had to shut it down. And this “app” they blacklisted couldn’t even be accessed by normal means. It was never approved of in the first place.

[@lpnp9477]

It's this kind of thing that drove me away from consoles. Nothing is yours, everything is transient, you will play the newest thing only and like it!

[@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting]

@@lpnp9477 PC doesn’t even have physical copies. In the unlikely event that steam shuts down, everything goes down with it.

[@RiasatSalminSami]

@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting Piracy is the only way to ensure preservation for both consoles and pcs unfortunately.

[@user-wj6jh1cd5n]

​@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting PC does have physical copies. People are just less likely to go out and get them when they can just download it, though.

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

I mean, at least Dev Mode is still viable for modding but this is still a crushing blow for emulation. But I have to ask (and it may sound like a dumb question), could you still use Xenia or Dolphin in Retail Mode if you run your Series X or S without an internet connection to bypass them getting blocked or is that a no go?

[@TrillGill]

nope just tried it it gives an error

[@eddiew.4650]

I wouldn't call it a crushing blow when there's dozens of other options for emulation other just using an Xbox.

[@SuperHitman55]

Maybe if your console was and remains in offline mode before they blocked it, possibly

[@jspantonio8807]

Not a crushing blow at all

[@SuperHitman55]

@@jspantonio8807 Yeah I personally don't care about emulation on Xbox. The option for dev mode is still there for now, atleast

[@EmperorMAR]

I started in dev mode and then moved to retail when the apps were up. It was nice to jump quickly between emulators and series games but I'm glad to still have the power of the box in dev mode

[@jst_TV]

Until Microsoft starts disabling and limiting what you can run in dev mode, like what Sony did with PS3 Linux. At this point the Series X is pointless as an "emulation" station, it's less complicated to go with a PC setup and more reliable, you won't have to worry about programs disabled and removed silently and without warning like on the Xbox. Plus you don't have to deal with the god awful UI that is Xbox One Metro

[@jrcavazos74]

My series s has been disconnected for a couple of months now and all my games are on external ssd. Will I still have issues if I leave my console offline?

[@Rompeculoss]

Good question

[@zZFlaviusBoss]

Don't think so

[@spktft2007]

The Xbox developer mode limits certain parts of the Xbox suck as 6GB usable RAM out of the 16GB and restrictions to the CPU and GPU. The performance is a little worse but better than nothing.

[@smudgey5000]

I was considering getting an extra Xbox as a emulation machine but what's stopping MS from doing this for dev mode as well?

[@livingbox5654]

No way is that the real Yu from Persona 4 Golden? 😳

[@ThomasVvV]

Nothing. If they lose the legal battle for this they have to take it away as well, and they always can do it themselves. Nothing on Xbox is granted because it’s always online.

[@svenabend360]

After this, it would be a stupid idea to only buy it for emulation. Future update will just remove Dev Mode or only “authorised” users can use it after paying $100 a year.

[@CrossUnity]

@@svenabend360 if they remove my dev mode i will sue them

[@jorelplay8738]

Nothing, they basically “allow “ us to use dev mode as long as they see fit. Just like Linux on ps3, it might get removed with a simple software update.

[@Punisher6791]

Thank Nintendo and their bloodthirsty Lawyers.

[@mpowerness92]

Imagine relying on Xbox for emulators. Geez, it literally requires an internet connection. They can lock you out at any time.

[@Yuuri066]

@@mpowerness92 imagine clowning on people for enjoying their system of choice. Geez.

[@RetroChiZ]

Geez

[@sixdroid]

Nintendo what? they cannot stop emulators. stop with that bullshits.

[@toadsage]

Imagine blaming Nintendo for this and not Microsoft, the friendliest trillion dollar company in the world

[@madcat4563]

I always expected something to happen, but yeah, It's sad. Not that I used it much, but it sucks losing the ability to do so.

[@gregoryrousseau5155]

A bit sad how "emulation" has become a dirty word in recent times. These older systems are so valuable for research, inspiration and education. Not to mention the archival aspect, as many of these games (roms) and systems are no longer available in any legitimate way.

[@lpnp9477]

Really? I feel like it's become more accepted recently. Mostly people feeling it's justified when you can't buy the old games anymore.

[@NimhLabs]

Recent times? It has been a dirty word since at least the 90s. Listed as illegal hacking topics on forums and chat channels along with warez, trainers and MP3s Remember how MP3s were inherently illegal and that there is no legitimate/legal way to have one? x3 x3 x3 Though, in that list dirty 1337zors haxxors topicz (rules require that be spelled with far too many zs, xs and numbers for letters--to appease the dark gods of the 1990s) the place of MP3s has been taken up with "Torrents" (despite it not being spelled Torrentz... or xX_69Torrentz420_Xx). The council of 1337 topics is still filled... er... I mean "fillz0r3dz j0 j0 j0"

[@gregoryrousseau5155]

@@lpnp9477 accepted by the average person yes... But the companies still don't see the value. They would rather sit on an intellectual property for 4 decades and do nothing with it, than let enthusiasts and fans enjoy it and keep the memories alive.

[@Oblivion8393]

Emulation has been a dirty word for about 25 years, bro

[@gregoryrousseau5155]

@@Oblivion8393 That's true. It still sucks though

[@Cain532.]

Your concerns with DRM are the exact reason why I prefer physical copies of both hardware and games.

[@applehazeva2739]

with all due respect, arent physical media games nowadays like simply keys that download and launch an App Image? Like, MW2 on Disc is simply 2 MB and cant be installed locally without Internet

[@Cain532.]

@@applehazeva2739 Yes and no. It depends on the game and the manufacturer. I don't trust CoD, nor do I follow them so I wouldn't be surprised if they ship half baked nonsense on a disk. Older gen games like Xbox 360 games on Xbox One, you are correct. it's used as a sort of validation key which prompts the download of the assets into an emulator of sorts MVG has a much better explanation, I'm just simplifying it for the sake of brevity. Regardless, games like God Of War Ragnarok or other newer titles have the core game on the disk itself and rely on updates to patch and so forth, but it is far from a simple "key". It's a complex topic and I would need to buckle down and do more research on it, but that is how I understand the basics of it right now. I hope that clears things up a little!

[@Skunkworks300]

@@Cain532.with physical games, the ones that are keys, once you download it, if you made your console offline forever, you can play it whenever if you have the disc in. With the ones with data on disc, you can install offline and play offline

[@williamscsharpwalkthroughs4316]

Fascinating, been watching some of your emulation documentaries so the timing here is interesting. Personally I've been quite surprised yet impressed that UWP emulators were being built and were running on Xbox, given the sand-box nature of the platform. Although, with the support and accessibility of UWP, it makes sense as an attractive platform that more or less natively supports all modern Windows devices from Windows 8 onwards.

[@rustyshackleford5166]

Titanic: Unsinkable ship PS3: unhackable console Me: when will we learn?

[@michealfunickrr3717]

Super Wii U: will never happen Me: purchased a Wii U dev kit v4 unreleased 3gb ram ntsc-j 320gb internal HDD complete w/PC software disk, I have hopes of breaking into much of the hardware.

[@josh2838]

Thankfully i have been using DEV mode the whole time. I had some emulators installed on retail mode. But that was just for convenience. Thanks for the info. 👍

[@oziphantom9465]

notice you blur out your Scarlett kit in this video :D

[@Mazza666]

0:28 just got the message now when I tried to boot RetroArch 😡. Is there retropass in dev mode?

[@GrigorEftimov]

Nintendo is literally the Karen of videogames.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

@n n look at the previous sht nintendo has done (or attempted to do and failed miserably) and tell me with a straight face that it isn't karen levels of crazy to want to copyright strike tens of thousands of YT channels for having uploaded any content from a nintendo console in video form. and that's just ONE thing they tried to do to stick a giant middle finger into everyones face

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

@n n you don't seem to be getting what i was referencing. in the early-ish days of YT, nintendo tried to send mass takedowns and copyright strikes to *any* channel that had uploaded *any* nintendo game, or anything related to it (music, pixel art, old tv ads etc). I'm not talking about YT channels linking downloads or anything, and this isn't just a theoretical tool, they did actually do this crap, and then had to backpedal when half of YT and the press revolted

[@shotgun1995hot]

I get why they did it. So it's like this if you sideload your emulator or app and if that emulator or app has malicious code inside and since this getting sign by Microsoft server it can pretty much make a backdoor for the attacker. And since the developer mod is like close off from the app Store any emulator,app or game is just on that device

[@erxer1]

Ironically security reasons are why the ps3 had its Linux stuff disabled and we all know how that turned out. This probably isn't that major of a motivator for modders to try to find ways to mod the system yet but I guess time will tell.

[@shotgun1995hot]

@@erxer1 that the party line a major companies use, and after storm that happened at PS when they got hacked game consoles company don't want to take chances again

[@AbdelkaderSokkah]

yeah this might complicate things. the good news for me is VVVVVV & Sonic Time Twisted on my xbox is not impacted by its effects but the bad news is the rest of the emulators is impacted. so i guess it's back to NESBOX again. not to mention the Tnavigator (the Retrix clone) which apparently still works. (The game database update was broken & I only get to import games manually.)

[@davidlandrum]

So, it’s Nintendo’s fault. 🤨

[@joesterling4299]

Yeah, they chose to protect their IP. They're very serious about that, and for good legal reasons. The real surprise is that emulators were allowed on Xbox retail mode all this time. I had no idea. Seems unprecedented to me. It was only a matter of time before they went away. If it hadn't been Nintendo, it would have been someone else (e.g., Sony).

[@vidarCRC]

As usual.

[@jasonmartinez5116]

It can be blamed on Sony too

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

as per effing usual. Starting to really hate that clownshow of a company (remember when they tried to take down what felt like half of YT because it had _any_ content from them in it?)

[@jasonmartinez5116]

@Wild And that won't happen because Rare is owned by Microsoft

[@ProjectDv2]

NGL, I've been under the impression this whole time that you need to be in developer mode to run emulators. This is literally the first I've heard that it could be done in retail mode.

[@brokenhero6828]

Me too! So it’s not a big deal apparently? Because from what I remember getting Dev mode is easy and under $30? I never heard of stock xbox playing emulators

[@ProjectDv2]

@@brokenhero6828 like, I remember MVG doing a video specifically on emulation on the Xbox Series, and I swear he said you have to switch to Developer Mode. I'm so confused these days.

[@brokenhero6828]

@@ProjectDv2 Bro same! LOL. Are you into tech in general? Ryzen 7040 cpus coming out promising 30 hours of video playback battery life on laptops.. seems a little too good to be true.

[@ProjectDv2]

@@brokenhero6828 I am, but I only keep up with computer component tech when I'm ready to upgrade. It's too exhausting for me to follow it all, all of the time. But I'm with you, that seems dubious, and they *always* lie about specs like this. That's probably the absolute maximum possible battery life after turning literally everything imaginable down to the lowest possible settings. In other words, not a fucking realistic stat and basically utterly useless to the average person.

[@joedude4854]

Glad I saw this video! I have a xbox one and a xbox x both retail emulatored. All I did was unplug my internet powered on my xbox one and turned off the internet functions. So I'm still able to use the apps on that system.

[@bpcgos]

What concern me is how easy they can revoke that apps from your machine without hesitation

[@funfact6880]

That's what happens when you rent a console from Microsoft.

[@kaschtelator]

Emulation would have been the only reason for me to buy one of the consoles.

[@ShawFujikawa]

You still can through dev mode.

[@Andrew12105]

@@ShawFujikawa how? I tried doing that last year and the Microsoft website would direct me to something different than the tutorials I watched. I had to settle for retail mode

[@Jagosix]

@n n - Seriously Dude..... Probably NOTHING FOR YOU to play. The other Millions of gamers, however, would disagree with you on that subject.

[@B33FY2011]

​@Jago Six Literally nothing on Xbox that interests me other than Forza which I can play on PC. The only reason I bought a Series X was for the emulation.

[@Stormlywing]

@@nn-dv3uf Than use Geforce now on PlayStation Oh wait none of them support it due to is may lead to Exploits like Exploits that allow xbox to play PC GAMES which is 2X the PS5 Power May not be an Exploit but is better than paying $100 for dev mode No dev mode required just their browser

[@flaking305]

This is why I always prefer to buy the disc of a game

[@mr.awesomesauce8412]

I was considering getting an Xbox series s as an emulation box but I don't know anymore

[@Scerttle]

This behaviour from Microsoft is a big blow to consumer confidence in digital storefronts on consoles, especially when observed alongside Nintendo shutting down the 3DS/WiiU shops, IMO.

[@MikeLeitner]

The thing is, I don't see why this is really a issue. The benefit is, you don't get cheaters on Xbox. And this is a big one. It's bigger for me than the ability for Microsoft to block any app. BTW, this is not new and Microsoft already said that this is the case on Xbox one.

[@kazikoFPV]

@@MikeLeitner this has nothing to do with cheaters what are you on about mate?

[@MikeLeitner]

@@kazikoFPV it def has. Disallowing unauthorized code to run is a big one, how Xbox is running games is basically the reason they can block emulators afterwards and it’s the same how they could block exploits. The signing of the game, and it’s running meta data is stored only online and you need to be online with a offline Xbox for some time in 30 days I think, cause of expiring keys. As said Microsoft explained it in a 1h or longer video, how Xbox security architecture works, the by product is just the result of this and already worked since Xbox one days.

[@Ayo090]

the gaming industry is going ham on emulation rightnow.

[@ThunderTHR]

The current gaming market suuuuucks at the moment. Atleast give us the chance to experience the older libraries properly. Emulation is preservation. (I apologize for previously wording this comment terribly, as I read the original poster's comment initially wrong.)

[@DuckAlertBeats]

​@@ThunderTHR what??

[@sechscomic73130]

@@ThunderTHR What is PCSX2 then? And i know you use that, you used it for a video before. Also, Emulation enhances the experience of playing a game flat-out, compared to what (for example) Nintendo offers with their spit into your face 50€ a year subscription plan (which is dumb because why would you pay that for terrible online + games you were able to buy outright before vs. something like Xbox Live Gold)

[@MalikATL]

@@ThunderTHR why because you want people to pay for games that’s not being sold 😢

[@winlover37]

Imagine that, emulation becomes insanely popular when the AAA space continues to stagnate.

[@AndresLopez-yl5qx]

If I recall appropriately, in the video you shared a while ago regarding MS not allowing the option to install emulators in Dev mode (but then MS backtracked that decision), it is mentioned that Dev mode is not able to fully take advantage of all the hardware capabilities of the Xbox; however, in this video it is mentioned that the performance will be the same (retail mode vs. Dev mode). Is Dev mode truly limiting the hardware capabilities (limiting the usage of the processor, RAM, etc.) , or not?

[@thatboidevYT]

I think it is, did you see in the video how the 360 games were lagging

[@basurerodej8501]

@@thatboidevYT the lagging also happened in retail mode, as its the emulator compiling new shaders

[@TwelveBaud]

My understanding is that the concern isn't hardware capabilities, it's privacy and potential access to sensitive or unauthorized information. At least PC side, UWP apps are only supposed to be able to access files that are packaged within the app itself, files downloaded from predetermined Web sites, save data the app creates, or **music** and **pictures** that you specifically and individually choose. You can request higher permissions, but they're only approved for a very narrow set of use cases (e.g. device driver frontends) and at least in Windows 8 popped permission request dialogs at install time that clearly said "can access every file in the system". I don't know how retail-mode emulators were accessing games but I doubt it was through the default permissions. If it has the technical capability of reading files from a USB stick that it gets to show its own chooser for, it has the technical capability of reading anything stored on that USB stick, including documents you thought it wouldn't because you didn't pick them. If it can read files from a network share, chances are you're logging into that share, and that's a credentials compromise because you can't be certain that it's not using those credentials for something else; also, that means it's able to see the system names and any accessible files for any computer on your network. If it's able to read arbitrary files from the Xbox internal storage, that means it can also see what other games you have installed, try to pull assets out of them, get more information out of your Gamertag than is officially available (e.g. play history), potentially even discover other Gamertags on the system, including local-only profiles for children and teens. Do those emulators do that? Almost certainly not, but they _could_, and a malicious ROM that performs a carefully controlled crash could too. Dev mode specifically blocks off a lot of all that. Dev mode apps must be signed by you, so you can evaluate for yourself what they intend to access before they do so. Although permissions are available for review both dev and retail, in dev you can specifically rip them out if you think the app doesn't need it. You can specifically put ROMs you want the app to see within those constrained channels without giving emulators access to anything else. And they have no way to access anything sensitive on the console itself -- the data on the retail partitions remains encrypted and unavailable, and any Xbox Live information or Gamertag information it could try to get through legitimate channels is generic and simulated and doesn't disclose anything about you.

[@AleksPizana]

The apps were the same for both modes.

[@avae5343]

@@TwelveBaud Except retroarch was on there for a long time. 8 weeks after Xenia was ported…..”We are deeply concerned about our users privacy. Allow us to access your system and disable all of these apps for you…”

[@WeskerBioHazard]

my Emulators still work on Xbox One i didnt update my console since february

[@AngryBirdsFanboy06]

This update doesn't just effects emulators, it also effects the minecraft xbox modding community

[@joeykeilholz925]

I mean yeah. If you want Minecraft mods and any kind of freedom you want Java not Bedrock. Bedrock is a joke

[@AngryBirdsFanboy06]

@@joeykeilholz925 true, however there are also underrated recourse packs, addons and skin packs for bedrock, which are actually a bit more advance and easier to make then java mods (plus the addon support is BUILT IN!)

[@frayayank497]

Does anyone know if enabling dev mode voids your warranty? I thought it did but now I can’t find anything that says it does?

[@johnpenguinthe3rd13]

At 7:29, even before I started the video I had a feeling Nintendo was the reason emulators no longer work in retail mode for Xbox. Also, while not mentioned, considering how angry Sony has been at Microsoft recently, it wouldn't had surprised me if Sony legally had went after Microsoft because of the Rom / Emulator thing on the Xbox retail mode.

[@GenGamesUniverse]

Which is a real douche move by both considering that Nintendo gives off the vibe of "We don't care, we want your money!" when it comes to preserving games from past consoles like NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube.

[@flamingscar5263]

I expected to see this, MS is probably worried about applications that try to exploit the consoles OS, I personally haven't seen any but there would have been nothing stopping this if an exploit was found There's a reason dev mode is so restrictive, unfortunate this is happening but entirely expected by me

[@avae5343]

Microsoft don’t care about that. They only started to pretend to care when Xenia was ported.

[@rpavlik1]

Yeah I don't trust any digital purchases on a closed platform, even though it is a little annoying to have to swap cartridges. They can still steal your purchase if they want to (see the way Blu-Ray discs work, with an updated ban list on each release) but it's a little bit harder at least. (Yeah licensed not sold bla bla bla. I could buy used SNES cartridges. I can sell used books. Etc...)

[@chronology556]

What do you do about PC games? GOG doesn’t have the biggest or best library.

[@crystalwater505]

Well said. This is why I only buy digital through PC. Seam, GOG have been around forever while on the closed platform it's up to the console creators to shut the store down whenever they see fit and they have no competing digital front.

[@Manic_Panic]

That's why I will never buy an Xbox console ever again and I own the classic Xbox and the 360. I got a PS4, used it well and now it's just jailbroken so that I never lose my games, physical or digital. I can even backup (and edit) my saves without PS Plus. This is good to preserve on disc pre order content or bypass the grind in more monetized games. And as it has been mentioned, buying digitally on PC is fine. I own some delisted games from years ago on Steam and they're still playable. Even if they weren't somehow, there are other ways ^^

[@rpavlik1]

Honestly? I'd be more comfortable with PC games but I don't honestly play many.

[@rorychivers8769]

This is what will forever separate consoles from PC's . The idea that anyone has final word over what kind of software you can run or develop on your PC is laughable, it directly contradicts the basic principle of the system, but in the console world, it's the just the norm and is accepted.

[@jumafuse]

What is the name of the game shown at 11:44? It remembers me afterburner.

[@luciandonovan7866]

have u used the ''report a problem button'' ? :)

[@W0lfenstrike]

I always thought it was too good to be true, but if it's still possible to run these games on dev mode, then it just adds a bit of an inconvenience barrier to it, it shouldn't be a problem for people who are already familiar with emulators. But still, de-listing games is one thing, but outright BLOCKING already installed apps should raise more eyebrows.

[@umamifan]

Personally I don't think it should. Just because the user installed it doesn't mean they're entitled to have access to it. The entire point is that it was acquired through a source (MS store) that had deleted it due to violations of the terms. So ofc it would make sense to extend it to the apps as well, since they would be running term breaking apps from retail mode otherwise. And downloading something isn't owning the product either. People should've just stuck with dev mode from the beginning instead of doing this over and over with retail mode and then getting into a fit when MS shuts down the retail nonsense completely. People knew better but still tried it anyways. Dev mode users don't need all of this attention due to the shit dudes would pull with the retail mode stuff. I mean seriously, did they not expect MS to care about the fact that they were putting Xenia onto the MS store? Like, come ON now... People know better than this.

[@avae5343]

@@umamifan So they’re gonna take down emulators in dev mode. They’re not going to allow you to install Xenia in dev mode..

[@umamifan]

@@avae5343 I’m not sure, but at the end of the day, emulation on the Xbox was never officially given the green light. It’s always just been “tolerated” by Microsoft. That can easily change though, since people are getting more and more ballsy and trying to use stuff such as Xenia which would now be competing with Microsoft for games that they already have available via backwards compatibility. I know there are certain perks to using Xenia, but at the same time it will also be understandable if Microsoft shuts it down due to creating a direct competitor in the emulation space on their own console…

[@avae5343]

@@umamifan Retroarch retail was on there for a long time. 8 weeks after Xenia was ported they pulled the plug on everything. Same will happen in dev mode. They’ll update the OS to prevent any emulation apps in dev mode.

[@umamifan]

@@avae5343 it is possible. What I fear is if someone were to hypothetically put something like a switch emu on there. It would cause Nintendo to tell Microsoft to shut it down asap. People are getting way too cocky with this

[@colin1992]

great video, I myself am a big fan of emulation. Sucks to see it go in retail mode. But I have a mini pc with Batocera installed for emulation since I feel that dev mode is a pain to somewhat setup

[@NostalgiaNet8]

I'm not even surprised by Nintendo. Hopefully Microsoft can make Dev Mode a little less cumbersome. They're aware not just Devs use it.

[@jethrotannis5673]

That minicute in the background is a beauty!

[@julianocs87]

Does Dev mode still has that limitation about the size of the files? 4GB if I'm not wrong? How do you run PS2 games bigger than that?

[@ryanmartie1244]

Exactly why I went dev more when I got a series s. DL links were hard to find still active for retail mode in the first place and worth the $20 to not waste time searching, subbing to discords and hoping the link still worked when you tried it.

[@avae5343]

Dev mode emulators will be next.

[@bytaal7592]

​@@avae5343If so then what's the point of having a dev mode?

[@avae5343]

@@bytaal7592 For development studios and individuals to test their code. Xenia did this. You can run dead space, cod4, mw2 at near perfect. That’s why MS pulled the plug. They’re not going to let people boot into dev mode to play pirated 360 games.

[@Mazza666]

You can get dev mode for about $3, google it you should be able to find how

[@Noah-ost]

That's actually really interesting and kinda cool that MS is in talk with emulator devs to make official releases for them!

[@fattony75]

I’ll believe it when I see it

[@AleksPizana]

@@fattony75 Yeah I don't believe that at all.

[@avae5343]

That’s just corporate PR.

[@Noah-ost]

@@avae5343 It could be, but this wasn't a statement from Microsoft, it was a statement from someone who developers azure just seemingly sharing what they know. But yeah, I could be wrong, and yes, I would be a bit surprised if this came to fruition. I just thought it was interesting.

[@avae5343]

@@Noah-ost I can’t see it dude. Will they allow Xenia? If they didn’t Sony and Nintendo would sue.

[@gamingguy9006]

Always found developer mode more interesting!

[@NearEDGE]

I wonder if this has something more to do with Dolphin being allowed on Steam

[@jorgeadame5019]

What the name of the plane ✈️ game in 10:50?

[@MarcusBeebe]

Why did this change, one word "Nintendo"

[@ViribusX]

I knew they were gonna push back eventually, but damn, didn't expect them to take away the apps I already had installed. Guess it's time to migrate over to dev mode or save up for a Steam Deck.

[@Pocket-Lent]

​@L Exactly what I did a couple months back I had a feeling this day would come.. And it did!

[@MrDmoney156]

@@user-qv5sm5dw1v i swear the nintendo switch lives in ur heads rent free, why cant u play pc games on it?

[@chelonianegghead274]

Seriously, I can't understand why anyone would pay $500 for a machine that is designed from boot to power off to limit and corral what you can do with it where you can get banned from online multiplayer on a whim, you don't get physical backups or offline installers so games can effectively just disappear at a moment's notice, console exclusives are largely a thing of the past (excluding Nintendo), and AAA games are such trash these days I wouldn't pay full price for them even on PC let alone buy new hardware to play them. The one thing PC games don't typically do is split screen multiplayer, but with emulation being where it is and almost no current console games supporting it I really don't think you can say that consoles have the advantage there.

[@MrDmoney156]

@@user-qv5sm5dw1v ya'll like to hate on the switch but yet still play their games, you're a hypocrite

[@TonyJenn]

​@@chelonianegghead274 you over estimate the appeal of emulation to majority of gaming consumers (casuals). Also, consoles are simple to operate.

[@Qualjyn]

I wish some members of the community would be more responsible in the way they talk about features like this. Too many people (whether out of honest ignorance, Xbox fanboyism, or sensationalist clickbaiting) promote features like this without providing the caveat that they can be restricted or taken away by Microsoft. Thank you MVG for always striving to be honest, unbiased, and well informed when you talk about topics like this.

[@MadChristoph]

1:02 How do I get Marble Blast Ultra? I want to play that game so badly

[@GrindHouseOverJoy]

I still have After Burner Climax on my 360, happy to see someone out there still likes it 👍

[@danboid]

Its things like this that validate my long-standing decision to only run Linux and open source software.

[@jspantonio8807]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Yokimari]

I had a feeling this was coming... it's why I never bothered with retail mode.. :(

[@xFierceDeityx-wx5nh]

its why i never even bothered to buy anymore consoles xD

[@itchyisvegeta]

Does Dev Mode still require a constant Xbox Live sign in, or can it be done offline? Half the reason I enjoy running in retail mode over dev mode is no online requirement.

[@slickstretch6391]

I love that when he says "There will be a link in the description." there's actually a link in the description.

[@jasonhowe1697]

yup this was going to happen though my question in where to we server the games to play the especially if said game has an install base???

[@Deadguy2322forreal]

Classy of MS to not do anything about emulators until Xenia got released on the system.

[@shirakani]

I'd just sell the stupid xbox citing 'it violates my ownership policy' and get a PC instead. Not like there's anything worth playing on xbox that isn't on PC.

[@mistermars9534]

I'd be perfectly fine with paying 20 bucks for dev mode if it wasn't for the credit card requirement. Barely anyone in Europe uses a credit card.

[@dubjubs]

That's because they have other means of getting their information whether for paying or personal since they let their governments do it to them.

[@fazboisproductionsfan]

What bothers me most is that the file explorer and ftp apps don't work anymore.

[@zZFlaviusBoss]

Yes if those still worked I wouldn't have been this upset but now I can't even put custom mods, textures, skins on minecraft which you could do for free on android and pc =/

[@bodobear]

What´s that arcade cabinet in your room ? Looks very nice !

[@PinePizza]

Ah bummer. Well, I appreciate that it's still possible int Dev Mode. Hope it stays that way. The Xbox sets itself apart from the rest with this kind of freedom.

[@hugo-garcia]

The obvious result of this is: People will just services offered by the pirates. By doing this Microsoft is just helping pirates, as Gabe Newell once said : "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable "

[@coliander4180]

Come on, like 99% of people running emulation weren't already using pirated software?

[@ghostlegit]

This isn't Microsofts fault. This is nintendo

[@DuckAlertBeats]

?

[@hugo-garcia]

@@ghostlegit That is why people hack nintendo switch. Because the service offered by pirates is better than Nintendo

[@168original7]

@@coliander4180 obviously, it’s basically just pirates crying, but even so it’s not a big loss these are old ass games. Like whilst people talk about legal emulation, 99% of people just pirate it.

[@danbooke2001]

I was always under the assumption you had to be in developer mode anyway to run emulators, so nothing lost here for me.

[@sixdroid]

you don't follow him. he did say you could.

[@Matanumi]

Me too but also isn't Dec node limited to 2gb of ram?

[@jessragan6714]

I'd tell you what I think, but this is a G-rated KZbin page... The $200,000 question is this: can dev mode also be revoked or restricted? I'm not paying twenty dollars for a week of emulation and an angry note from Microsoft wondering why I'm screwing around with RetroArch and not actually developing software.

[@ogolow570]

My question too. I'm very hesitant to get dev mode incase they pull this shit again

[@jakdeacon8858]

I can't access dev mode. its not possible to do it now unless you are a company. can somebody confirm this for me or am I doing something wrong?

[@OddRob92]

What steps you are taking to get into dev mode? Maybe I can tell you what you are doing wrong.

[@djm9937]

But surely Microsoft can stop emulation on Dev mode also if it sees fit?

[@Gameboygenius]

How would they do that? Let's look at a few possibilities. Say they check for a known list of emulator executables. If the exe file (or whatever file format Xbox is using) matches exactly, block it. Ok, you can then put random data in parts of the file to make it not match. Microsoft could then come it with a more sophisticated check, to see if the code "looks" like an emulator. But this would likely give false positives, and would add a delay when installing a new build. This would annoy developers who are constantly recompiling their code. They could also impose restrictions on who can get a developer account. For example, they could require you to have a registered company. But this would stop a lot of up and coming developers who are just playing around. All in all, going further than they have so far would likely cost more than it's worth for them.

[@Theraider-ki6ez]

@@Gameboygenius Yup when registering for the developer mode, they do ask for a company name so it could be a start for them to regulate it all, hopefully not.

[@Hobo_X]

I wonder if Alyanna is just guessing or if that's accurate. Seems insane to block emulators for something you *might* do with it, relating to Nintendo. What if you block video players because you *might* have a pirated movie and Disney has a problem with that??

[@flameshana9]

Yeah, there *might* be some people who pirate Nintendo games. Just maybe. It's a slight possibility. And releasing Dolphin on Steam totally didn't tell the whole world how easy it is to do so.

[@avae5343]

Bit of a coincidence that 8 weeks ago Xenia was released…

[@DaWrecka]

And yet, it is entirely believeable that Nintendo would crawl up someone's arse over the *potential* for *maybe* allowing emulated Nintendo games to be played on their platform.

[@alexanderthegreat8156]

It makes perfect sense to me. I mean, sooner or later there's gonna be a switch emulator, and I tnink that's when piracy will get into the equation.

[@omegadomega]

Yuzu and Ryujinx exist btw

[@joesterling4299]

That's already a reality. How well they work depends on the power of your PC.

[@justitgstuff5284]

Wouldn't be any different from other emulators in terms of legality. You can dump your own copies of legit switch games instead of pirating them.

[@alexanderthegreat8156]

@@joesterling4299 I mean, a switch emulator on Xbox.

[@alexanderthegreat8156]

@@justitgstuff5284 let's be honest. Nobody does that.

[@bennydreamly]

1:28 UWP actually stands for universal windows platform (it’s terminology from windows 10/11)

[@Elefantoche]

It was a security loophole indeed MS would patch sooner or later. As they took long to do it and probably did it pushed by Nintendo demands in exchange for their approval on Activision acquisition by MS it resulted in a big surprise to the community. I totally saw that coming, however, didn't imagine when.

[@jst_TV]

Surprise surprise that the "you can run emulators" info got out when the Xbox Series were slumping in sales and needed a pick-me-up for the holiday season, but as soon as the price cuts end and quarterly reports wrap up, then Microsoft disables this functionality 😂 MVG and his community took the bait hook line and sinker, were played like a fiddle

[@Dre-ib6si]

Haven't touched my emulators in a few weeks. Tried to get back in yesterday and was highly pissed. Knew the shit wouldn't last forever. Just too good to be true. Literally had 5 difference consoles in 1. And it worked like a charm like any other game or app. 😢