Xu Xiaodong MMA Should Challenge This Type of Kung Fu - A Shuai Jiao Match Explored

People criticize Xu Xiaodong, the Chinese MMA fighter, because he keeps challenging Kung Fu masters who are obviously smaller in size. The Kung fu "masters" also seem to have no real combat or even sparring experience. So let's look at one of the Kung Fu styles that is grappling-based. This slightly obscure form of Chinese Kung Fu is called Shuai Jiao 摔跤. Let us know what you think about this match and this type of Chinese kung fu. Is this the base to add striking Sanda to form a complete MMA system that's Chinese?
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[@MaxLohMusic]

I thought Xu Xiaodong was on a mission to expose bullshit ways of training, not to challenge "kung fu". "Kung fu" is an extremely broad term; it means martial art in Chinese, so it can refer to anything between dim-mak mystical BS and full-contact san shou. So it would be pointless for him to challenge shuai jiao since the training is almost the same as Judo, which does very well in MMA.

[@aquiredskill]

Fight Commentary Breakdowns i dont think this should test mma or you should both wear the gi, they grab the gi.

[@kurisuwp]

Have you seen the "king of Shuai Jiao"? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZizq55uaqeMf8k

[@dreamreality3052]

Xu is exposing what is fake , this is a real combat so there is nothing to expose

[@URN-A55]

Ahh but yea, I think you guys are misunderstanding what his purpose is, he is trying to expose fake martial arts of China, not challenge legitimate arts. His purpose is not to just challenge anyone or any style just those who teach Chinese martial arts that doesn’t work but they claim that it works. So that being said it’s not that he doesn’t have the balls to challenge this combat arts that are effective but to expose those that is not. People are taking this out of context and trying to put him down. He doesn’t need to prove himself that he is a legitimate fighter that is not why he is doing it, he wants the fake martial arts to prove what they teach is not fake.

[@4299sarge]

@@ericrolson it says that he wants the world to stop eating up all the fake kung fu. These fake masters are destroying the legitimacy of an ancient tradition. They are like all the stolen valor people in america, cheapening something good for personal aggrandizement. He does good work.

[@OSTemli]

@@ericrolson dont work why none of them are in ufc.

[@PrimalCulture]

@@OSTemli Tony Ferguson and Anderson Sylva practice WingChun

[@OSTemli]

@@PrimalCulture no they dont, silva is taekwondo and did pro boxing, tony had bjj and boxing as background none of the fighter have any wing chun background because none of them when to any wing chun for even a year or month or had any wing chun competition, what you show is they themselves just doing some wing chun move on dumb for fun, can u namw me thwir wing chun gym or their master. You people r the one who think bruce lee is fighter

[@PrimalCulture]

@@OSTemli 1. I did not say they are WingChun practitioners; what I said is that they practice it; they also have used it in their fights. 2. You do not need to become a master of a particular martial art to learn a few of its techniques to be used in combat. 3. They are not the only ones!

[@derekonline2]

Actually Xu Xiaodong once praised Shuai Jiao one of the few effective chinese martial arts.

[@evyatarof]

I think sanda is the best challange for MMA fighter We have actually great fighter who use sanda in MMA Cung Le

[@jj-wp6wc]

Good point dude, I miss Cung Lee, he was awesome and Sandal is very cool.

[@mpforeverunlimited]

Weili now

[@andersonalves1254]

Wushu Sanda fighters winner in MMA: Muslin Salikov Cung le Weili Zhang Joshua Pacios ( ONE CHAMPIONSHIP WEILI/ Wushu lakai Tean) Li jingliang Yan Xionan...

[@user-wl6fb8mb2h]

Xu Xiaodong has already said that this is useful.

[@aStrangerAmongUs]

and what does that mean exactly?

[@AlexxxPerales]

it means it dosnt need" myth busting"

[@Arigator2]

Yeah i agree. They are sparring and learning throws. It might not be the best training but its certainly not fake. At least it wouldn't make you WORSE at fighting like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/onLahYSKed9nac0

[@aStrangerAmongUs]

according to who?

[@user-wl6fb8mb2h]

adam jensen m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qorYl4OZaqqrbaM Skip to 15:48

[@ubale553]

Weili Zhang is the current Women's Strawweight champion in UFC and her background is in Sanda and Shuai Jiao. She studied BJJ to improve her "ground techniques" but most of her fighting style is coming from Sanda and Shuai Jiao.

[@deanrosenwald3405]

This was awesome. Those throws and reverses were on point!

[@playapapapa23]

“Fight commentary breakdown” best start to any channel. Look forward to it each video I click.

[@kapa5363]

In the late 1990s I visited my old taiji master in China and was telling him about the UFC revolution taking place in the West and he was non plussed. Finally, he responded by saying “you mean rucking?” I said “no rules fighting”. He said “oh, in that case just get a brick, come up behind your opponent and cave his skull in”. That kind of ended that debate. He was a wise old man.

[@crystalfmaibach8582]

My own „Kung Fu-Style“ is in fact a combination of Northern Mantis, San Da and Shuai Jiao - and so far it worked well against Tae Kwon Do, BJJ and other Kung Fu-Styles. It is always just a matter of how you train… P.S.: …and of course the rules: if you are heavy on ground grappling, Shuai Jiao is not as useful as in Stand Up-Fights! But I simply love it 😉

[@truth-12345.]

You're right man, this with Sanda would make a very great MMA counterpart.

[@xFerdox]

Uhm, Choy lee fut?

[@rayzhang7591]

It is in sanda, it’s just sanda has this awkward 5s rule to perform a throw after clinch. They did this because there’s no ground fight allowed in sanda and the ref will stop the fight a awards poijts after any successful throw (2 or 3 depending on the throw) and early sanda, which didn’t have such limit became a throw fest. Everyone and their mom is trying to throw the opponent instead of punching or kicking and this also gave people with wrestling background a huge advantage. As a result, the higher ups decided that this will make sanda less entertaining to watch and changed the rules.

[@yunshen]

Xu Xiaodong actually respects Shuaijiao. There is a clip where he comments that this is the real traditional Chinese Martial art.

[@thebruce0]

This is a great exercise in rooting. It's all about avoiding losing your base, losing control of your stance. Excellent rooting.

[@TheClarity101]

shuai jiao is actually incredible, ive trained in it a little bit while I was doin Judo, and while I find it lacks a ground game, its throwing is really good. Xu should fight them under their rules.

[@mrwhite1510]

Very interesting , I never thought about it that type of style . well done man .

[@Bless3dWithACurse]

I think having the gi makes it a bit safer for sparring like this. Having something to grab that isn't an appendage will reduce the chance of doing what's called a joint locked throw which can tear ligaments and tendons.

[@simkoning4648]

He's trained in sanda, and shuai jiao is already incorporated into their training.

[@alexisdominguez3133]

This with sanda and a bit of wrestling would be okay.👌

[@Gieszkanne]

Sanda already have takedowns and throws just no groundfight.

[@qv8281]

shuai jiao was directly incorporated into sanda for the takedowns

[@hattorihaso2579]

so mma

[@candymantackle5684]

This is in sanda

[@meginna8354]

competitive Sanda was created by the Chinese military in the 1980s and it's basically just a kickboxing ruleset

[@shaneferreira007]

Cool video liked the commentary can you do a video on wing chun?

[@FightCommentary]

Sure. We'll look at cantonese wing chun.

[@alexanderyangov767]

The founder of this martial art is master Li Baoru l李宝如, and he is a friend of Xu Xiaodong's teacher Mei Huizhi 梅惠志 who also known as the founder of Sanda.

[@senornaranja2364]

what is the name of this martial arts? and how old is it?

[@foursix32]

Actually there's a vid somewhere on YT where Xu Xiaodong talks to some Shuai Jiao guys and says if Taichi practitioners should challenge them if they think they can actually grapple.

[@jimmyalderson1639]

The one who starts on the left on the first fight is incredible good! Very fast and decisive. I do want to see a fight between these guys and a judoka because they're very good

[@des6853]

Remember, they are in a shuai jiao competition match, so we can't actually see their other martial skills, if they have some. Maybe they also train sanda or tkd and know how to approach someone for striking combat.

[@Devi_Shammuramat]

Throwing someone down with force, is quite validly devastating. However [other than that]; you do realise that a fight doesn't exactly end just because someone is on the floor. Moreover, someone on the ground actually has more grounding / support than someone who is standing.

[@joshuasharrock466]

Nah bro I'm right there with you. My whole life I was under the impression that kung fu like in Enter the 36 Chambers was The Ultimate Fighting techniques. These days I would take solid American style boxing mixed with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's hard to destroy the old way of thinking... but what makes us great is our ability to unlearn as well as to learn

[@Grapplersenpai]

Joshua Sharrock agreed. I personally mix karate with judo and BJJ and did some Muay Thai. I'd take BJJ if I had to stick to one style,because,it's been proven to be the most useful style. I started in karate because I grew fond of it as a kid watching Baki the grappler and karate movies,and later,due to lyoto machida. Fact is,most TMA,and even certain "useful" striking arts such asboxing or kickboxing,are useless against an MMA fighter orgrappler,thus, I started grappling because I learned the hard way

[@Grapplersenpai]

Joshua Sharrock all I see here is sloppy judo with no kuzushi btw

[@frankacuso]

Joshua Sharrock The ineffectiveness of traditional martial arts is due to non-sparring. Even now that they are being trashed there is little encouragement to sparring. A boxer on training always spar. How can a traditional martial artist know what really works when he do not put it to test? Just the feeling of getting hit will change your perspective. In fact, I believe that a boxer who practice only shadowboxing without sparring can be beaten by a wingçhun guy easily.

[@Grapplersenpai]

frankacuso agreed

[@joshuasharrock466]

Oh I'm not saying these guys are talented in any way... I was commenting on the very last comment he made at the very end of this video where he said a lot of us think that we hate him because he hates on Kung Fu.

[@madmike1708]

Its basically Judo without Ippon, ground fighting or submissions....Xu would still merk a Chinese wrestler because Xu is primarily a striker and even if he gets taken down, he is most likely going to get back up or finish it on the ground as these guys don't train on the ground.

[@ichnsnchgo1510]

madmike1 I find it interesting that the Chinese somewhat hate studying martial arts from other cultures so essentially they ripoff Judo and wrestling, give it a Chinese name and claim they discovered a new martial art, lol.

[@joelhusbands3838]

+ichnsn chgo either you are trolling or don't know much about the history of Chinese martial arts look up shuai jiao on just about any online encyclopedia and it martial arts book then come back with a different comment

[@madmike1708]

Yeah I got to agree with Joel, China has been doing its martial arts for a long time. NOW I wont say they have the oldest martial arts on earth, because it is just a case of China was one of the first countries that have recorded history and I bet Japan and other countries have been doing martial arts for just as long. But saying China rips off other martial arts is a bit silly. If China did rip off other martial arts they would be more effective today funny enough, A lot of martial arts that 'rip off' others and put their own spin on it tend to be the more effective martial arts, such as BJJ, American Kick Boxing, Dutch Kick Boxing, Krav Maga and Sambo. What I am saying is this will not be effective in a fight against an MMA fighter because of the lack of ground fighting and submissions. I seriously see no way they would win against any other grappling arts, they might be pretty good at getting the takedown....They have no experience of what to do after the takedown. Regardless, I dunno why this martial art has to be brought up...China has a GREAT Freestyle and Greco wrestling program and they have a lot of talented wrestlers.

[@keyboardwarrior9258]

Shuai Jiao is several centuries older then Judo.

[@Arigator2]

That doesn't seem like a fake martial art at all. For one thing they are actually sparring. It just seems like a variation of Judo. Judo fighters have done ok in MMA. They are very hard to take down without ending up on bottom.

[@jimmyalderson1639]

The throws are pretty good. They're slightly conservative, in that they don't really seem like they want to commit that much. And their defense could be better, but idk if that"/ the art or the artists. I think the main thing they could improve on is their standup in general. So their throw defense, their linking different throws in differnt directions. They could stay looser, so it disguises their attacks and allows them to move in and out easily. So mainly they could move around more, use more kuzushi (off balancing) rather than trying to sort of sneak in and surprise them. Surprise is good, but if you have a bit more movement and off balancing it'll greatly reduce the amount of energy and speed required to pull off a throwing technique

[@FrankSantanaJr]

Show more of this type of martial art, please.

[@erginbozun1755]

Nice. Interesting to watch

[@funnynet]

讲的很好， 加油！

[@spacemancoco]

In a throwing competition they might be good against MMA, but in an actual fight it's hard to throw someone who's punching you in the face and choking you out.

[@kokobeach9653]

Thanks man for your videos I would like to say there is style in wo shu called sands that The nemesis to mma

[@gxtmfa]

I do BJJ. This stuff looks awesome! All grappling is cool. I love the way the uniform makes the grips a bit unique.

[@marcusgingell3585]

gxtmfa I agree it’s like a T-shirt like people might wear out on da streets

[@stevecastro1325]

That was really awesome to watch. This is some very legit Chinese martial art; I don’t know anything about its history or how “traditional“ it is but very impressive.

[@allenvoltage7445]

Ironically this was the very first martial art china used

[@temujin5743]

It has his origins from at least 5 bce if I remember correctly, and it came from the steps so it's related to mongolian and kazakh wrestling

[@boyang9764]

In Chinese wrestling, scores are not just based on the guy's part of touching the ground, also you have to maintain a good balance. If you throw the other, but you fall down and roll, that is 3-2=1.

[@scottvaj4434]

I don't think Xu Xiaodong would have anything against Shuaijiao(Wrestling). It's a standup grappling form that trains through conditioning and hard sparring which he would respect. That's like him challenging Judoka or wrestlers. He needs to go after some of the "hard" style Southern kungfu guys that have prided themselves for a long time like the Hung-gar & Buk Sing Choy Li Fut schools. That would be fun to watch to see how their best guys stand up to his average MMA skills.

[@frostymourne]

I don't think Xu's point is to humiliate all Chinese martial arts, but rather to point out the inefficient ones that gives people the false sense of Self Defence hope. Shuai jiao along with Sanda are legit martial arts in China which are applicable in MMA, grappling, takedowns and kickboxing.

[@ajlee613]

in the most traditional form this is identical to mongolian, manchurian, and korean traditional wrestling, actually many concepts of soft styles such as taichi came from this. it is one of the oldest martial arts in Asia pre-dating the separation of the Asian peoples... however due to it's age, it is not really altered from its original use. put an opponant on the battle field to the ground and run back while the spearmen take a hop forward and use minimal stamina to permanently take out a easy target from the battle field before he can re-arm himself and become a threat. however because this is quite old, similar to the older styles, the practice of it was simple 1 or 2 movement drills and matches, giving practitioners a ridiculous amount of experience, which is part of what makes it so effective.

[@elchippe]

Sanshou for striking, Shuai Jiao for wrestling and always BJJ for grappling.

[@CoachJimWheeler]

He's MMA, meaning mixed Martial Art, it has no limits, so he would also be able to wrestle, and while clinching he would throw combos with elbows knees and fist, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face

[@FortunePathVenerable]

Lol you overthinking no need for a specific style just someone who remotely know how to fight

[@DePencil]

Shuai Jaio means Wrestling in mandarin and Xu did compliment Chinese wrestling. He said it was effective.

[@Leonidas3888]

The story on this art is that is was made for real combat and throws are intended to land opponents on head. So the breakfalls are different than judo. This is the sport version. The non sport art uses strikes as well. Fukien dog boxing is supposed to be another kung fu that is ground oriented. As far as vs other styles the infamous Matt Furey who was some Greco champ went to China to become first no Chinese shaui Jiao champion. Also cung les san shou incorporates some of these throws.

[@FightCommentary]

Very interesting!

[@henryposadas3309]

Actually Judo is the sport version and jujitsu where it came from also has strikes and kicks. There are throws in Judo that was made illegal because it was intended to kill or maim. Cung Le does incorporate Shaui Jiao but also wrestling as well (He was an all American wrestler at HS). The guy alsonknows TKD and boxing so he is very dangerous. Shaui Jiao (which I suspect was derived from Mongolian wrestling) like Judo is very effective.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

I'm not a Judoka, but I have a background in freestyle wrestling and done some medieval wrestling (ringen) too. Those guys don't do any groundwork, are a bit to stiff and don't change thier body position (point of balance) too much, but thier throws are legit.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

To be honest, the example you gave is a valid criticism of BJJ. But to be fair, the Shuai Jiao practitioners are using their throws while trying to stay on their feet it's a real plus in self-defense situation and kinda justifies the lack of groundwork. Still if they have to face a wrestler or judoka they would have serious problems.

[@Jon-ov4nc]

youve got to remember that a part of shuai jiao is taking people down without going down yourself, and arguebly that can create problems for judoka and wrestlers. also, like judo is to traditional jujutsu, shuai jiao is a standardised form of competition and not a traditional style (kuoshu federation, 1928). the traditional art was more of a mix of skills and disciplines called Jiao Li which included striking, locks, and holds in addition to the throws and takedowns, a more comllete martial art. no one really trains military jiao li and as such a lot of shuai jiao training contains throws and takedowns from across kung fu styles in addition to less standardised forms of traditional chinese wrestling. compared to judo, competitive shuai jiao doesnt put so much credit on going to the ground.... hence its point system where if your not fully taken down (ie stop yourself falling by placing a hand on the ground) then your opponent cant score the full 3 points and only gets 1. also shuai jiao allows you to grab the legs.... nothing wrong with a double leg, single leg, or an ankle pick... just dont put your knee on the ground and give away a point. who says these guys cant sprawl either....

[@danielcolindres2945]

Shuai Chiao petitioners do not do sacrifice throws. This is only the competition or sport side of Shuai Chiao the Combat side has strike such as kicks punches, breaking of Limbs, locks as well, on the ground submissions and stand up submissions as well to put that pointed out of commission for once or even death if necessary in real life.

[@TheNESNerds]

I couldnt agree with you more, the problem with this type of judo is how they struggle to hip down throws and dont understand how their legs are open for attack too since in this sport there are more rules. It would be a better sport and martial art if they only looked at other martial arts and use more logical inexperienced techniques like takedowns and pinning like street fights half the time.

[@TheNESNerds]

The problem is that their legs are open for attack, if I grab the persons leg and perform a low straight single they are done.

[@tommytaylor2799]

In my opinion this is not bad. However, Judo offers ne waza and I am also thinking about Catch Wrestling, which seems not to have many limits on submissions. This martial art offers nice throws. I also believe that the clothing could be used to choke, however. I also like the fact that the scoring goes beyond the Ippon. No matter what happens I think that Xu Xiaodong should try since there is a chance to grow and improve. Win or lose I respect those who put their skills to the test.

[@BigHossHackworth]

Any footage of a functional chinese striking art in action? Aside from sanda.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

BigHossHackworth there's some choy le fuut floatung around

[@bentinho]

Shuai jiao is interesting, it reminds me a lot of old school Kodokan Judo (before the Japanese started banning techniques to save face) with hints of Greco Roman. My only concern is, if you dont have the jacket, then what? Just like judo with no gi, you'll have to adapt the techniques for that. Even BJJ is different if certain techniques are allowed or not. Man, it's almost like you have to think and train and apply and adapt and modify and test and re-train... 🤔😉

[@actionjackson2721]

Is this a form of folk wrestling or is it a variation of international/ freestyle?

[@FightCommentary]

It is what ancient Chinese troops trained in (or at least some derivative of that).

[@Stamatos]

Is that a padded floor or are they straight up smashing each other on a gym floor? I can't believe they are standing straight up from that.

[@jamescervantes775]

This would be a fun game to play in a bjj class like a throw defense drill

[@FightCommentary]

Yeah ;)

[@simonwarner3601]

This style is more interesting. Perhaps someone could transition from this to mma with striking plus ground game training. Thanks for the video.

[@Grapplersenpai]

Simon Warner agreed

[@paullytle246]

Simon Warner that clinch looks very exploitable by a thai boxer waaaayy to upright to tp really grapple

[@paullytle246]

jakubkalinamalina im not talking straight mauy thai im talking about an mma fighter with decent takedown defense who primarily use mauy thai think jose aldo that type of grappling would really make you vulnerable to strikes

[@Momsspaghetti777]

Simon Warner why would someone use this instead of American folkstyle or international freestyle

[@paullytle246]

Some Black Dude or bjj amd catch

[@ramtron1775]

Im a bjj guy and their takedowns are pretty awesome. It looks like brestling with a gi. I would love to know if they have a system of "ground work" and submissions.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep. Shuai Jiao has ground work and small joint manipulations too.

[@GOLTEB]

This is not bad, this is actualy a great martial art base to transition to MMA

[@rivertrash9862]

Would be cool to see, but hes got some decent boxing and they dont seem to really strike so it might be another quick fight for Xu.

[@waterfordel]

Its the oldest style of kung-fu. You have a real gem of a video here.

[@Cochise6666]

I like it a lot. Very Judo based, with free-style wrestling. Just lacks ground strategy like collegiate wrestling or Jujitsu/advanced Judo. I'd do it though, as you said, in conjunction with striking

[@Supermomo2007]

Judo based of shuai chiao

[@Khaliljt]

I’m a judoka and a wrestler and I have to say they would do quite well in judo

[@starfire0007]

Love the technical Shuai Jaio. These guys would not be able to grab clothes or get perfect holds for great throws, in an MMA match. All throws need to be done on an opponent trying to take your head off. I do think that this some of this art would add to the MMA matrix.

[@jiujitsujackson9831]

They are doing good judo style throws and some forms of wrestling. However, MMA is multifaceted as you know. I believe with MMA training(if they don’t already have it) they will grow in the sport of MMA. I believe they should challenge other grappling styles rather than MMA and in my opinion they will do fine. Thanks for posting

[@joshjenkins6236]

Check out Sanshou. It's basically kick boxing with this mixed in.

[@jvchinesemartialartsdopifi4158]

i find it extraordinary that they are being thrown full force on the floor no mats

[@WSOJ3]

“Shuaijiao” means “wrestling” in Chinese. For example, WWE = “Shijie Shuaijiao Yule”, or “World Wrestling Entertainment”. It’s not necessarily a Kungfu style. I mean China has a wrestling team too for the Olympics.

[@ZoneZap]

I don't know much about the differences. But take a look at a great Wushu Sanda fighter called Zabit Magomedsharipov in UFC.

[@gunfighterdrummer]

He's only pointing out the fact that this section of "Kung Fu" would do the best compared to other Kung Fu styles that are out there who expose a lack of knowledge in fighting, and a misjudgment of today's real fighting.

[@Sthriven]

china's version of mma is sanda. though more a sport than a style, kung fu stylists adopt their art to much more combat realistic situations

[@kennyhi4724]

StL33T agree. Sanda is the most effective Chinese martial art

[@slothsloth4043]

I would like to see how this would go with clinch strikes

[@Groomsman]

This is pretty much judo. The only difference is that judo has this new rule (or somewhat new, I don’t know how long it’s been around) that you can’t attack the legs, but that rule apparently doesn’t apply here. But either way this is the best grappling style of Kung fu that could in fact surpass the well known Wu Tang styles.

[@robertm4735]

I think MMA fighter might still win because of the striking. If the Chinese grapplers only train in this form, and can't defend or initiate strikes, they might have a problem and also the gi they wear in the competition gives them grip, sort of like a judo guy with gi going against a no-gi person. Just a thought, love your videos.

[@MohseenLala]

This is basically judo with leg grabbing/tripping allowed, which is something I have been arguing for! Judo pussyfied itself to please the Olympic overlords. Therefore Chinese Judo is now better. At least you can grab a dude's legs. Judoka's have more explosive power, so they might fare a tiny bit better...I think? Under MMA rules the MMA guy would win, period.

[@MrSFblack]

Mohseen Lala this is far older than Judo

[@jomama3804]

Mohseen Lala you never know if you really want to fight until you get punched in the face and the smell of your own blood fills your nostrils. it triggers a fight or flight response that you have to be prepared for. I have seen really big muscular dudes that think they are badasses that get punched in the face one good time and they can only think about how the hell to get outta there.

[@kkkrusher7259]

Leg grabs are super easy to counter with gi on though. You push forward I just sprawl and pull your collar in the opposite direction of your neck, since a leg takedown relies entirely on pushing force resulting in an easy choke. And there's no strikes so there's no good reason to stand more straight like in MMA or boxing, don't gotta worry about avoiding punches or getting a knee to your face so going for the leg takedown just isn't as viable based on just the common way to stand in Judo.

[@Momsspaghetti777]

Mohseen Lala judo has ground work. I don’t think you understand judo. Also tripping is legal in judo. Not to mention that many judo schools do teach leg attacks. If you’re interested in throws with leg attacks why wouldn’t you just learn wrestling honestly?

[@MohseenLala]

I've done Judo dude, oddly enough Newaza focused so I'm very well aware of what the art entails. Was talking about Judo more as a sport rather than an art. Foot trips and sweeps are legal here, but you can't intentionally target someone's legs (like a double or single leg take down). And even if they do teach newaza, the amount of time given in a Judo match doesn't make for a satisfying ground fight. Over here it's 30 seconds upon a failed Ippon--which is bullshit.

[@Grapplersenpai]

As a judoka I feel like these guys have a viable takedown style. It's very smooth like the older judo. But nowadays judoka are just too strong and have too much resistance to fall for this. But it's good,certainly can beat an average person with this. But compared to judo....meh,I'd say it's basically ancient vs modern if they faced Plus judo has ne waza and,to top that,a lot of judoka do BJJ,so if the fight goes to the ground against an MMA fighter with good judo/wrestling game or BJJ game.....no I can't really hand out the Victor here due to lack of ground game. Xu xiadong might beat they a** because Xu knows BJJ these guys have no ground game BUT these guys have superb throws.

[@ichnsnchgo1510]

TGGP senpai Why don't they just learn Judo instead of trying to create a style that's a inferior ripoff? Chinese people are strange because their pride is the reason they've now been surpassed in martial arts by the west.

[@Grapplersenpai]

ichnsn chgo well,from my understanding,Chinese wrestling has a tradition that spans thousands of years before judo/JJJ. So it's not a rip-off. But. I think it just looks like sloppy judo. It has a deep cultural meaning for the Chinese just like other forms of Kung Fu. And I do agree it's inferior,but,with these peoples brute strength combined with judo and/or BJJ,I would say they would be beast

[@turquoiseuranus720]

thats actually funny since Judo/JJ is a watered down ripoff of Chinese/Steppe Wrestling....

[@Grapplersenpai]

Turquoise Uranus not really......it borrows techniques from qin'na but it's not a COMPLETE ripoff....like ne waza....its only found in judo

[@Grapplersenpai]

Turquoise Uranus and if it's watered down instead of evolved,how come I only see sloppy takedown attempts with no kuzushi or set up what so ever. I'm sorry to saythis,but this wouldn't really work against a judoka. Source: I'm a 3 stripe white belt who beat someone with 3 years of shuai jiao training back in Mexico. He did no set up and just sloppily tried takedowns,I resisted all.

[@andywilson8698]

I've done jujitsu for about 2 years and 5-6 months of bjj , these guys could definitely handle beginners and do ok against intermediate students, but high level guys would destroy them . But that being said this actually has sum practice street fighting applications. Against some dude with no training ,that is trying to hurt you this would be useful.

[@Supermomo2007]

They are beginners, idiot

[@TheMightyMcClaw]

Obviously there's no striking and groundwork, but that's okay, because there's not supposed to be. As a throwing art, the only thing I see as a weakness in Shuai Jiao are the lack of sacrifice throws; because of the "first to touch the ground" rules, that obviously excludes front lateral drops, tomoe nage, and so on. And with these variables removed, you tend to see a lot of leaning forward with heavy pressure - the exact situation where a front lateral drop would be ideal, were it legal.

[@tjjavier]

Hi Fight Commentary Breakdown, you mentioned that Xu Xiaodong most likely won't challenge these guys since he's out to debunk the "Kung Fu with no practical application". That said, I think that's the actual reason why he won't challenge these guys. He doesn't need to because they're legit. Not because "he doesn't have the balls to challenge them".

[@airthrow]

Oh and you asked how they do takedown wise, I do Sambo and these guys are awesome to watch. They would transition well.

[@daniellima2973]

Having a short sleeve makes a huge difference

[@bigmember5908]

I don't see that these guys would do any better vs mma fighters but I don't know what all tactics are trained in as I never trained in this

[@dabunnyrabbit2620]

I think the upfrontness of MMA should be used to test all styles today. And if they lose to the MMA practitioner, then it's time for the practitioners of what ever style to get back to their ancient roots.

[@FrancisMaxino]

It looks like Judo without completing the groundwork required to pin the opponent.

[@kalenhouse]

If it was only grappling this type of material art might win. If it was mma I don't wrestling alone will beat xui. Xui drives forward with punches then grabs to knee or throw his opponents. Either way I enjoyed the vid.

[@Mlotshaw1]

it would function the same as ameture wrestling skill, still need to know what to do when the person is punching you, or wants to be on the ground they'd have to either be naturally savage or have some striking, grappling positions, and submission to be effective , against people who train all the above , need to go for some one trained in Sanda

[@flowrepins6663]

Sanda is the style of Kung Fu that can go for mma specially striking all way. I think Kung lee uses. Is just like Muay Thai with a bit of wrestling very complete. Striking is perfect but I wouldn't trust the grappling of sanda alone against BJJ I think a bit of wrestling , judo sambo or BJJ mix would be better

[@JonJonGTA]

If he was to fight someone trained in this style it looks like he should plan on going with lots of inside fighting with uppercuts and knees. I think he would still win. But they really shouldn't play by weak rules like no ground and pound. In a fight nobody's going to stop someone and say hey you can't fight on the ground.

[@insanejoe9042]

Honestly, this wouldn't be enough to even challenge Xu Xiaodong. He's an MMA fighter, he's more complete, remember: traditional martial arts or single martial arts will always be inferior to MMA. Why? Because MMA is not a martial art itself as many people think it is, its a system, a system composed of many martial art techniques and discipline, not one big set of rules and discipline, that's why its very flexible and complete. Think about it, an MMA fighter with a multiple background will always be able to defend himself whether if he's on the standing game, on grappling or even on the ground. Though I don't really know how much of an MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong really is, if he only know how to strike or he's actually awful and he's just f-cking up guys with no real fighting ability and just having fun doing kung fu lol

[@alexandaryu]

I think this kind of wrestling is one of discipline of modern wu shu.

[@rudygarza6410]

Well can these moves knock u out and how would a fight that is scored play out against a i give up no more fight wrestling is cool but if there’s no submissions who wins

[@rbrack54]

As soon as a power hitter like XU punches them real good they would fold like a card table.

[@vancityhighballer4832]

Only style i wanna try from China

[@MrBscotti]

They are talented wrestlers, sure, but would this alone translate well to an MBA style bout? They can defend against takedowns well, but throwing somebody won't decide a match- you need to follow up with a submission or some strikes. If you don't train those scenarios, it'll be too easy for an opponent to get up again or take your back.

[@guojing9863]

Chang Tung Sheng is one example of a shuai jiao practitioner who had real fighting experience and could hold his own against other martial artists, including Mongolian and Japanese martial arts. I take whatever I find online with a grain of salt, but here is an interesting article: www.jetli.com/2017/04/chang-tung-sheng-chinese-wrestling

[@Grapplersenpai]

Guo Jing actually....I think this might be a believable story,but,I don't think even if he were young now a days,he would be able to take on MMA fighters. I'm not trying to troll,but,without ground game,you won't really do well. There is a reason that most UFC fighters are at least purple belt inBJJ

[@reubensingson4493]

If the Chinese want their kungfu to become effective inside the ring they should combine all their Kungfu style

[@luciusnetheril]

This is like judo and freestyle wrestling had a baby

[@timlproc9887]

you got it backwards... Jiao been around way longer than both. It would be more like the great great great....... grandfather.

[@MultiRainday]

That blue guy is really good

[@dravifo6762]

so if he lands straight-up on his head, you get one point?

[@nezircaglar2381]

okey that is one point...

[@yosafatsurya1082]

Why he never Chalenge SHAOLIN MONK?

[@armandb.8737]

I think monks after seeing hundreds of videos where mma amateurs destroying asian artists decided not to fight. After all, imagine you are monk, you have own community where people respect you, then you go and show how mma fighter owns you in 10 sec...

[@TheDAP8576]

Pretty much Judo with short sleeves. But they still have to defend against punches and kicks. I'm sure, like Judo, they have defense techniques not used in the ring.

[@kennethwagnerjr21]

This is a fine sport in itself but as far as usage in a typical MMA setting it does not appear to be as multi dimensional

[@OmicronX-1999]

I dunno. For these guys to use their martial arts, first they have to get into grapple range, and Xu Xiaodong is gonna be trying to punch and kick them in the head and legs the whole time. Also, I don't know if having takedown skills is necessarily gonna translate to having real skill on the ground. These guys don't try for mount or submission after they've taken the other guy down after all.