You and Geekdom are doing the Lord's work by trying to survive and make sense of the manga. Im at the point where I just legit don't know if I can stomach the writing anymore.
@SolidSnake2402 жыл бұрын
It makes sense it's just poorly written
@ReeceHoward062 жыл бұрын
@@SolidSnake240 You know what, y'all are right: THIS does make sense... Gtfoh. It blatantly contradicts what was already established in the last arc about the form. It is bad writing AND it doesn't make sense because we are told expressly what UI is since inception.
@ReeceHoward062 жыл бұрын
@Batman The Daddy Toyo is proud of you. Thanks for explaining that for me.
@j.i.k2.0442 жыл бұрын
The main problem here is that Goku has too many transformations. All Toriyama and Toyotaro had to do was allow Goku to learn how to apply UI in base and have that lead to his improved usage of Mastered/Perfected UI.
@mr.sensei64012 жыл бұрын
Agree, Toriyama and Toyotaro made it very confusing
@j.i.k2.0442 жыл бұрын
@Batman The Yes it is
@j.i.k2.0442 жыл бұрын
@Batman The It really is but you can believe whatever you like
@j.i.k2.0442 жыл бұрын
@Batman The That is your opinion not a fact
@SonGoku0-r2 жыл бұрын
Yeah to the point where he can activste it passively in his base form and use it even when in sleep
@shawngaines11172 жыл бұрын
This arc feel’s like it was made to sell toys/merchandise more then any other arc so far and that sucks but hopefully the next arc is 🔥🔥
@Giga883 Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m saying it’s like classic He man
@richborn670010 ай бұрын
Super really feeling like officially licensed fan fiction. Bardock *AND* Broly being story relevant, loads of new transformations for multiple characters, and rehashing of story beats from previous arcs
@PhilipV1952 жыл бұрын
Awesome video bro also Ultra Instinct and the Granolah Arc has been very confusing with everything and i get it there are things in the arc very cool and awesome but.... You know lol but all in all i guess it's okay
@brmawe2 жыл бұрын
Yeah at this point UI is gonna be another transformation wheel which we all DIDN'T want to happen. I predict in the next arc it probably gonna have something to do with the saiyans again or somehow Frieza is gonna super strong.
@orez37062 жыл бұрын
Diamond Frieza or something 😂
@brmawe2 жыл бұрын
@@orez3706 Platinum Frieza
@orez37062 жыл бұрын
@@brmawe well we were wrong on the color 😂 but what a surprise frieza is back. Dragonball do be predictable sometimes.
@Reviews2Go2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I think UI should have remained uncontrollable like it was on the ToP. Make it an end all be all ability that Goku can’t go into at will. Make it be a sort of trump card that has to be used for some villains. Like how the spirit bomb and other shenanigans for the Z movie villain kills. Maybe eventually have let Omen be an at will sort of thing but keeping MUI be something that can only be triggered in particular circumstances where he’s pushed too far.
@metascrub285 Жыл бұрын
I agree, make it similar to fusion, a random ace that pops up.
@yeetnessthegreater12982 ай бұрын
@@metascrub285well that’s just like gohans rage. A deus ex because it never gets the job done because the plot needs to be longer and fusions would one shot. Mui would one shot. Pissed off Gohan would one shot.
@jocoolshow2 жыл бұрын
So I wasn't tripping when I said that this arc was weird to me Dragon Ball Super doesn't feel like a cohesive story that flows together and connects. It's a bunch of disconnected arcs. Like, each of these arcs could've been their own movie rather than being story arcs of a manga tbh
@solidsolo92582 жыл бұрын
Well this arc is a bad example because the Moro arc led into this arc through OG73, but the rest didn’t.
@marthouismcmiller47872 жыл бұрын
Well the manga version kinda did lowkey lead battle of god to the universe 6 tournament showing champa was getting the super ball balls while beerus was fighting goku going unnoticed
@yeetnessthegreater12982 ай бұрын
It’s basically SDBH but less crazy
@richardmitchem41402 жыл бұрын
I'd still like to see them make super saiyan 4 official. I loved the way invoked. I thought it was badass
@kage15732 жыл бұрын
This might be weird but I would like to use this comment as a point of conversation and know from an objective standpoint why people say that the Granolah arc is bad; I respect everyone's opinion but after reading the chapters I don't understand and some of the criticism feel weightless such as people saying that wishing to be the strongest is bad writing even though both Granolah and Gas have consequences for their wish while also Granolah making the wish was to get revenge. At the same time, Elec forced the wish onto Gas, even when the wish was made they still had to struggle and be pushed to their limits to win or gain an advantage and there have been multiple examples of characters from Dragon Ball Z getting power-ups that they didn't earn through training. People say that Vegeta and Ultra Ego have been disrespected but throughout the first fight with Granolah he was winning but his reckless way of standing and taking damage is what led to his defeat and his fight with Gas had Vegeta getting stronger while evolving his Ultra Ego even though the form burnt out it still shows that Vegeta has room to grow with this form like Goku with Ultra Instinct while also having Vegeta act as a mentor figure to Granolah such as with him questioning Granolah's obsession with revenge, helping him to get back on his feet, and encouraging him to keep fighting which also ties into Vegeta self-hatred arc that started from the Moro arc. Bardock is another criticism people have due to him being too unique or ruining Goku's character by being a good person but the chapters show Bardock as only helping Muzeli and Monaito because they remind him of his family which has impacted him while also his motivation to fight Gas being mostly for the selfish desire to defeat him for his satisfaction which falls in line with the old Bardock also Bardock has normally been presented in a special light due to him being able to see the future but both Bardock's retain the theme of being low-class warriors that work hard to rival strong opponents. The final controversial element of this arc has been its pacing and people often say this arc has been dragging throughout these past chapters but I can't say I agree because, in each of these chapters with the heroes fighting Gas, the story at the beginning of the chapters doesn't stay the same in the end which would be an example of a story dragging due a lack of progression but in a chapter like from chapter 84 to 85 the story changes from Goku and Vegeta recovering, to fighting Gas and being on a disadvantage, to Vegeta evolving Ultra Ego and beating Gas while Goku is trying to evolve Ultra Instinct, to Goku using UI Sign because he realized that it works with his emotions, to Gas' life being drained due to him pushing his body to its limit and this also applies to the previous chapters before these due them progressing the story throughout the fight instead of the chapter starting and ending with no changes to the status quo. I know this comment might be long but I wanted to cover as much as I could so I can get a better understanding of what people think and even though I feel this arc has been great so far, I still have my worries such as the ending possibility being rushed which I think could severely hurt this arc and its characters but that remains to be seen, it also would have been nice to have more character scenes with Granolah before the wish and the Heeters interacting as siblings to build them up more from a character perspective.
@kylepaine97522 жыл бұрын
I agree with all of this and I’m relieved to see a video talking about all of these problems 👍
@Warlord-dc5un2 жыл бұрын
I feel like they don't know what to stick with when it comes to Ultra instinct. In the merus training goku was getting taught to no longer rely upon his emotions. That was telling goku he can't rely on the methods of power he's typically used that is emotions and instead focus on a clear of mind/calm state however in the Granolah arc it instead backtracked and told goku to once again rely on his emotions despite the teachings of the last arc. Like do you want goku to rely on emotional amps or not, *make up your mind?* I did not like what they decided to do with UI except for the training to utilize UI in base as it makes sense for the next step so goku wouldn't have to transform into the form that's capable of UI.
@Amplifymagic2 жыл бұрын
Granola arc had some pacing and issues, but in hindsight it’s been a lot of fun and covered a lot of plot threads and created fun saiyan lore with Bardock that progresses the heritage of Goku. Also, Geekdom complains about too many transformations and yet the manga has done a phenomenal job keeping old forms relevant and even renewing Omen with new life by pairing it with Saiyan Instinct.
@Amplifymagic2 жыл бұрын
@Fight Night Champion Peek-A-Boo CAMP no it doesn’t, MUI needs a calm mind, something that can’t always be channeled in the height of battle. The Saiyan path is to use your emotions as fuel, like how you use rage to become SS1 or the lessons from Bardock etc. Even then, when Goku finally lose consciousness and passed out he used MUI as his trump card subconsciously so you don’t have an argument against Merus at all.
@натчи2санс Жыл бұрын
Watch them make a super saiyan blue ultra instinct, honestly if I were to make another form after silver ultra instinct is “complete super saiyan god,” super saiyan god never got enough screen time in my opinion and it’s my favorite transformation
@alexandrapagan3222 Жыл бұрын
Do you think it's possible for Goku to go Super Saiyan Blue while in Ultra Instinct...like merging both forms?
@speedbeyondlogic Жыл бұрын
In tui goku can fight like an animal and with his emotions and still have the benefits of ui and non of the weaknesess. Except stamina drain that's always common and something I'm sure he'll work on. Tui is an improved version of ui sign. Like ssbe is an improved version of ssb for vegeta. And vegeta had evolved his ue and tui could be considered an evolved form of ui sign. I hope they do more with tui. It could something like a wrath form for goku. I wish goku had the oozaru fangs when he went tui and his hair was more animalistic. Maybe his nails could've been a little sharp too. And his aura could've been a mix of a dark red and ui's aura. Some minor physical changes along with a change in demeanor and fighting style to show that goku evolved and is more in tuned with his saiyan heritage and instincts while still keeping everything else ui is and has to offer. And with the silver haired form it would be a different contrast to the tui form.
@koffibentum7452 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, as much as TUI is neither a transformation nor a technique, it does have issues
@MegaMachiOnline2 жыл бұрын
Considering UI is supposed to be Physical Peak Performance Goku, by letting Vegeta get UE, even though it makes sense it’s not nearly as raw as Blue Vegeta closing the gap with sheer brains & ability like Jiren But it’s not Physical Peak Performance anymore nor has its natural weaknesses ignored in an attempt to become Emotionally Potent too.
@jdreid3232 жыл бұрын
I kind of wish they displayed UI as this perfect fighting style that should take many years to build upon, while UE is depicted as the legendary plot armor device most main protagonist has like just straight will power. Even if it wasn't as popular as UI, it would definitely look just as good standing next to it.
@TheTrueAwakenedOne2 жыл бұрын
the collab I never expected🤯
@scvboy12 жыл бұрын
Yeah the new forms are crazy. If I had to re-write Super there would only be 4 news form. Super Saiyan God, Mastered Super Saiyan God, Ultra Instinct Omen, and Mastered Ultra Instincts (which would be the final form). No need for Blue or Blue Evolution.
@Buzzerblack- Жыл бұрын
blue and evolution should have been vegeta's unique form but same concept for god. that way god wont be abandoned since they are now both the same but different for goku and vegeta via heritage or calm battlestyle for red goku and brawling battlestyle for vegeta blue.
@dmitribrutus5543 Жыл бұрын
@@Buzzerblack-Quite interesting concept for Vegeta getting Blue and Blue Evolution
@JOHN18042 Жыл бұрын
If this was the route they were gonna take with UI then Vegeta should of been able to learn UI
@purerage7963 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, now both Vegeta and Goku have said UI isn't for them lol and Vegeta's maximizing his ki efficiency in Super Hero which UI was originally MEANT for in Resurrection F-getting rid of reaction time and wasted movements. He declared in the ToP that a calm form wasn't for him, and now he's merging calmness and stillness with Ultra Ego which is all about a raging fighting spirit which revs him up as the battle goes on...
@JOHN18042 Жыл бұрын
@purerage7963 they have no clue of wtf they want to do with their story, and it's power system mechanics
@karlyn1322 жыл бұрын
AYYYYEEEEE TWO OF MY FAVORITE GOATS
@ghosttemplar69892 жыл бұрын
Granolah arc was just really everywhere in general. The good thing that came out of it was Vegeta Ulra Ego in my opinion. I've said it before it becomes a problem when you come up with to many transformations. All Akria had to do and I say that in my opinion because why would listen to me. Is to just have Ultra instinct slowly show bit by bit different power up no new forms just the silver hair. They need to have Goku struggle to maintain it one thing and struggle to bring the true power of it out. The silver hair needs to be the FINAL transformation nothing else it fits goku appearance wise perfectly.
@marthouismcmiller47872 жыл бұрын
True UI probably just be UI sign with the same eyes broly had before he went SS
@xXSonTJXx2 жыл бұрын
I doubt it tbh, they would have commented on it
@Hhhbrother2 жыл бұрын
I would rather have it where True UI is used to bridge both Goku’s normal combat with the abilities of UI, making it his own type then just either being just in mastered UI or being just Goku.
@rafi_sensei54212 жыл бұрын
Great video, i agree with both of you. And ive been saying it too, UI Sign (True UI) < UI (silver hair) His emotions just add power to the power it was originally lacking. But i hope the anime skips or fixes the mess theyve made with UI. I also hope when they do the anime. Just let Vegeta beat Granolah. Then have True UI vs Gas, then full UI vs old Gas. They can even give Granolah the final shot just like the manga. I was concerened too when Toyo said he was too perfect, but that was a great opporunity to introduce villains that are confirmed stronger than G.o.D or Beerus.
@rafi_sensei54212 жыл бұрын
@Batman The false. Goku preactically confirmed UI > True UI. He said he will use that because itbis his best option at the moment, only because he could not calm his heart. True UI was loosing to Old Gas, and UI Goki tosses him to space no diff.
@rafi_sensei54212 жыл бұрын
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 well thats how i would have liked it. But i get what u mean. Granolah was awol for several months lol
@rafi_sensei54212 жыл бұрын
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 yea i agree, Cell Saga goku was on his sensei mentallity. They dumbed him down for Super.
@rafi_sensei54212 жыл бұрын
@Batman The UI Gokus ki alone managed to easily grab gas and toss him into space. True UI Goku was struggling to even keep up with Old Gas. True UI also lost lol
@rafi_sensei54212 жыл бұрын
@Batman The it was already explained Goku has not been calm, which heavily nerfs UI. Its also stated that Granolah waited to strike Goku only after UI lost stamina and accuracy, because while in UI he could not detect any vitals. Also, Gas asks Goku why he isnt using his silver haired form, which means max power, which Goku replies he needed a calm heart to be able to use it at max power, and outright confirms he is not calm.
@laomasterandstudent2 жыл бұрын
Last arc is empty?? That's the feeling i get!
@maymay56002 жыл бұрын
Granolah arc ain't done yet either!!! We got one more chapter, cause we fucking know damn well what elec bout to do
@j.i.k2.0442 жыл бұрын
GT Goten is definetly the best Goten
@jadenalvarado49122 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree but I dislike the way God was introduced and its too many transformormations.
@sincere07272 жыл бұрын
I can understand and agree with some of the points made but I think one thing to keep in mind is Goku was in Sign not PUI against Gas and also against Moro he wasn’t dodging in Sign
@meachew2 жыл бұрын
These problems weren't in the moro arc, it's because they need drama, even toyotaro admitted they made him to perfect 🤣
@ZankyeGaming2 жыл бұрын
Banger video we move 🗿
@somberthunder89082 жыл бұрын
This right here is why I loved that both the anime and the managa do things differently. It gives us the fans a chance at a better written story or at the very least one that doesn't upset us as much
@johnracicot7062 жыл бұрын
Wasn't it stated a long time ago that jiren was stronger then a his god of destruction but his God of destruction is weaker the chompa and berus I don't know if it was the manga or anime but I could have sworn they stated that there are levels of god of destruction?
@xXSonTJXx2 жыл бұрын
Belmod was stated to have beaten Beerus in a arm wrestle match in the anime while it was Quitela in the manga
@raymondgarcia45472 жыл бұрын
Maybe the point is to use his emotions to transform in ultra instinct
@gokuprince88vegeta352 жыл бұрын
How did you manage to get to talk to geekdom101?
@xXSonTJXx2 жыл бұрын
I knew this man when he first started KZbin with less than 1K subs covering Resurrection F Spoilers lol
@joshuahoge16622 жыл бұрын
The concepts are cool but man I really don’t like the mangas writing it’s be terrible I really hope it’s not part of the anime. But for those who do love it please tell me why I genuinely wanna hear civil opinions as to why you’d think it’s good because I frankly found it to be horrible and especially compared to the original dragon ball manga! I loved UI in the anime but manga made it well bland and that’s sad :(
@BeastXIS2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I think u need to make a video about how strong is Gas. Because he is severely underrated and people sadly ignore that he was weakening in his old form because his body and power were way out of sync. This is why a weakened Base Vegeta was able to headbutt and hold him for a while. This is just an idea for a video XD
@kingbevan19932 жыл бұрын
This video is nothing but facts. Mui was poorly portrayed in this arc unlike the moro arc where goku mui looked dam near invincible. The moving goalpost for beerus obviously an issue( genuinly pisses me off) especially when debating beerus fans who be like oh he stomps insert any db character you mention as if he wouldnt struggle at all. Even tho we have characters like jiren who was stated above the gods. Yet theres characters stronger than jiren who goku surpassed like beerus shouldnt be relevant at all now. Dont get me started on that jiren statement in super hero movie that was flat out idiotic. So many retcons and back tracking honestly frustrating.
@Alejandro3337772 жыл бұрын
So basically silver is still peak and they’re doing a lot in the manga and they need to change focus to something other than transformations
@CaptainCJ972 жыл бұрын
I agree with vegeta beating granola then him getting a wake up call. Vegeta's new form is literally a punching bag and that's one of my biggest gripes with this Arc like imagine if when Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 & he continues to get his butt whoop
@reggielacey22352 жыл бұрын
Dude had to keep saying Goku is his favorite character
@xXSonTJXx2 жыл бұрын
yeah a lot of new viewers who can't handle anyone criticizing Goku so its a easier punch when you say its coming from a fan
@fabiovital23172 жыл бұрын
I personaly don't like this form that much considering that It's design looks too simple to be honest I think True Ultra Instinct should have been goku trying to do what he did with in the case of Super Saiyan Blue he should have combined Ultra Instinct with Super Saiyan
@skeletonlover32142 жыл бұрын
Cool Video!
@ravemasterharu2 жыл бұрын
I get or I see where they are coming from (TJ and Geekdom) but if you really think about it INSTINCT or Battle instinct should not only be defense it should be offense as well, Hell who or what is stopping UI from tapping into the full arsenal of its user? I Mean that is what UI is primarily putting the user on auto pilot!!!! or in simpler terms muscle memory so it makes sense that he is using it not just to defend but to attack as well. If you ask me that defensive attribute is cool but it aint UI's full potential. In its fullest UI should be able to access Gokus full arsenal and experience to use it at the most optimal way possible. As in auto everything from hand to hand to ki utilization to forms etc etc. The whole shebang!!!! then again UI used at its full potential will be so OP I mean Goku can fight and go into battle in his sleep and come out on top!!!! Imagine that.
@SubarashiiZX2 жыл бұрын
Then words hit man 1:39
@Sonicflash1.2 Жыл бұрын
Goku should lose mui Goku got hit by granola bc he wasn't paying attention. Thats one of the things that just makes me mad Even from the start of the arc mui just seemed like it was nerfed like crazy
@SenseiBase Жыл бұрын
Granola arc is probably my least favorite arc as well. It definitely feels like they keep over complicating these forms too. It’s gotta be all about the money. The more transformations they make the more dlc they can put in new games.🤷♂️🤦♂️
@somberthunder89082 жыл бұрын
I really do hope the Anime does not try and follow the manga and continues to do its own approach while at the same time learning from the mangas mistakes
@boomboombaby91402 жыл бұрын
UI is the new kiao ken , ssj alot of power that drains stamina
@TheTonytone772 жыл бұрын
Horrible arc. Retcons stupid plots
@somberthunder89082 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that modern Dragonball will address its own flaws yet instead of fixing them, would rather try to cover it up with something cool instead
@buster30412 жыл бұрын
Dragon ball has always done that
@johnracicot7062 жыл бұрын
I know that this is kinda off subject but I don't want vegeta or goku to ever surpass berus or chompa for God's sake they are so strong that them sparring can destroy what ever universe they happen to be in
@xXSonTJXx2 жыл бұрын
No, Beerus NEEDS to be surpassed he is a hindrance to story at this point because he doesn't do anything while being hyped up
@A-0-K-GAMER2 жыл бұрын
Thank God toyotaro is in charge of the next arc because he could write good stuff like af
@wbrodie552 жыл бұрын
Hahaha haha. Okay 👌
@A-0-K-GAMER2 жыл бұрын
Don't patronize me
@wbrodie552 жыл бұрын
@@A-0-K-GAMER then stop lying to yourself and others about toyotaro and his lack of talent.
@A-0-K-GAMER2 жыл бұрын
I grew up on dragon ball af manga and your telling me this I always thought that was the proper sequel to gt
@A-0-K-GAMER2 жыл бұрын
And the ending was great
@od-gamer4952 жыл бұрын
Ultra instinct omen Grade 3
@tylerdale88242 жыл бұрын
i think they trying to change UI goku's look because of beast gohan cant have 2 white hair forms confusing people.... they couldn't make gohans hair red cause of ssj god, purple vegeta stole that, green thats broly's thing, blue people complain he doesn't have god ki, only colors left are orange ,brown and gray... which im hoping they just change gohans hair gray
@edmonimcdaniel77592 жыл бұрын
I don't know why people hate on Mui but they treat Ui Sign different
@zenkaiforms2 жыл бұрын
Ui sign looks better for me ofc
@jamainegardner41932 жыл бұрын
Because UI looks like a technique that shows Goku's martial arts mastery while MUI is just another form
@DraynorManor2 жыл бұрын
#SaveSoil Mother Of All Life, Save Soil To Reverse Global Warming!!!!
@CaptainCJ972 жыл бұрын
Doing the lords work
@canasdad91152 жыл бұрын
The transformations got silly after Super Saiyan 2. Super Saiyan 3 is cool but didn’t amount to anything. I love Super Saiyan 4 but DBGT isn’t canon, Super Saiyan God was replaced by Super Saiyan Super God which is nothing special just blue hair. Then we get ultra instinct which isn’t even a Saiyan thing but it is something unique but now it’s fallen under the same repetitive cycle of “OMGG A STRONGER TRANSFORMATION THAT IS NOTHING SPECIAL” DBS fanboys just want new stronger forms but they all do the same exact thing.
@Z4NKA12 жыл бұрын
all of them were good blue was the only "silly" one.
@richborn670010 ай бұрын
UI is a technique, but for Goku was a transformation, hair color change and all. Looking back through Ball and Z ultra instinct is just a basic tenet of martial arts someone who USED TO meditate like Goku should already understand. Beerus after millions and millions of years still can't fully control it? Modern Dragonball is nothing but nostalgic callbacks and new forms for marketing. RIP Toriyama but im in the camp that if he never came back to Dragonball in 2013 to give us all this new stuff, id be fine. Maybe im just an old head in love with OG, Z, and GT
@xXSonTJXx10 ай бұрын
Its both for Goku and thats your opinion which ill let you have 👌🏾
@blacksaiyanui50542 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you a question?? Ok" *Thanks* Are these in Dragon ball z super 👇 Super Saiyan 1-3 *Gold* Super Saiyan 4 *Bronze* Super Saiyan God *Ruby* Super Saiyan Blue *Diamond* Master Ultra Instinct *Silver* Thanks for the likes 👍
@TomerShemesh2 жыл бұрын
It almost seems like the solution for every arc is either a Spirit Bomb, fusion, or a new form.
@marthouismcmiller47872 жыл бұрын
The spirit bomb only worked once an fusion never worked other than the broly movie.
@TomerShemesh2 жыл бұрын
@@marthouismcmiller4787 Yeah but all the other times were a new form besides the Future Trunks saga, so it was worth mentioning the 2 exceptions were it wasn't a new form
@pounderpolizzo72692 жыл бұрын
Its just a bunch of garbage... they gave goku mui to early and now they're just trying to nerf it because they made it too strong... it's crap they should've just gave goku mui during the moro arc and that be it no more transformations or stamina drain issue bs... he has it and he can use it at will... I'm done with DragonBall...
@eb20582 жыл бұрын
Bro its not that confusing ui sign then masterd ui (silver) and the TUI ( true ultra intrinct) u have ultra ego masterd ultra ego true ultra ego. Bruuh people are dumb
@xXSonTJXx2 жыл бұрын
You call people dumb when you completely made up “mastered” ultra ego
@eb20582 жыл бұрын
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@eb20582 жыл бұрын
@@xXSonTJXx i will be the master of whooping that ass boi😂