Yamaha Montage vs. Roland Fantom - Pattern Sequencer

The Montage recently got a pattern sequencer and the new Fantom has a pattern style sequencer as well. This video gives an overview and my thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of each.
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[@Two-Vees-In-a-Van]

Direct and to the point without loads of "show off" playing that others do, very refreshing and informative, thank you. I am now going to explore your other vids and probably subscribe, cheers! - Update, I did!

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@TheAlantheking117]

Very very great video!! i own a montage wanted to switch on a fantom because of the sequencer fortunately you have the only video presenting" in depth " the fantom sequencer as well , thanks a lot

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@derricklyles6918]

Very nice tutorial my man you're progress has really improved bro, stay blessed.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching fam!

[@truthmanifestingtruth]

People can say whatever they want about the products you demo and how you demo them. Yet, they have to say that you put in work! ✊🏾

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for the support fam!

[@reedereed]

Brother, I bought this Montage a couple of weeks ago and sold my beloved Motif XF to get it, in part because they finally added a sequencer. Until I saw this video, I was about to send that joint back...real talk!!! You explained the way it works WAY BETTER than most! Thank you!!!! Now, all Yamaha needs to do is to make it read Motif sequences. Then it would be a no brainer...

[@SoundsAndGear]

Glad to help fam! Hopefully they keep updating it for you.

[@lonniechance7901]

Thanks for this! Great Job! I have been using the Motif XS sequencer for years, Once I bough the MPC Live, it took a while but, I love It. Now recently pick up the Fantom 6, I agree about the chaining the patterns to create a song, I would like to see the Fantom have either an append a pattern function or the ability to convert the song patterns into a liner based song so one could do overdubs like the Montage. As my work flow is to add fills and ear candy after the song is all layed out. Hope they add a few tweaks. Thanks again and hope this helps.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching! Yeah I agree, if they keep improving it, it can be really dope.

[@edwardtheodore1427]

I was ready to buy a montage as I own a Kronos but I thought the Sequencer had matured but after seeing this , I realise I nearly spent bad. You would not believe how silly it is to not be able to create seamlessly, auditioning sounds while the sequencer is playing. That’s the difference between a professional workstation and a light weight. I’m surprise at Yamaha for this. You wonder, who really decides these things. Thanks for you video brother. I searched for this and now I know. Hopefully maybe they will add the feature one day soon if not already.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Glad to help! Yeah the Montage isn't a workstation imo, they never designed it to be, so adding this pattern sequencing after the fact feels like the "after the fact" feature that it is. Not something I would really use, but as far as a synth/sound source the Montage is dope!

[@HammyGirl999]

Montage update 3.5 includes allowing new instrument selection while the sequencer keeps playing!

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@HammyGirl999 Cool!!!

[@jzealmedia]

Fantom is very straightforward and precise when it comes to sequencing. Then the editing capabilities on Fantom is super awesome. Professional sequencer vs lightweight sequencer.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yes indeed

[@RedDevilSquadron]

Best tutorial on using the Yamaha sequencer I’ve been able to find. My only question is regarding the proper way to go about the two step saving process you mentioned. Do you have a tutorial going over this process? Any time I save a sequence with multiple parts, leave the sequencer page, and try to reload it, it drops all but the first part/sound. Any help is appreciated. Thanks man!

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching! Make sure you actually save the performance itself as a user performance as well as the pattern. Then make sure they are linked. So when you load the pattern it will load that performance. I haven't done a video on it yet, but it's on the list. Thanks!

[@ClaudioGonzalez-ik5dm]

Hi, in my old Motif ES i can sample from the input jacks while the sequencer is runnig and assign the sample to a track, I think you can do that in the kronos too. In the Fantom can you sample external sounds, like a guitar or a mic, to the pads at the same time the song is playing in the sequencer so you can follow the song? I haven't found any video or tutorial about that.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I don’t know if it works while the sequencer is running

[@TimmyTheSnail]

Yamaha really need a new software designer. That is so messy. Roland’s is so logical and also looks good

[@SoundsAndGear]

Roland's GUI is definitely more streamlined.

[@wallace_nelson]

I'm looking at investing in a Montage thanks for the video

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, thanks for watching!

[@Bronwyn031]

Awesome video 💖 I wanted to move into a Keyboard DAW workstation coming from working solely in a virtual one on desktop. I have waded back and forth from the Yamaha Montage and the Roland Fantom 8. I ultimately went with the Fantom 8 literally this morning purchased from Kraft Music out of Wisconsin. I primarily produce "Ethereal Trance", "Chill" and "Trip Hop" tracks and can't wait to move into the physical world of producing. I am so used to just layering up a composition piece by piece on desktop which is why I went with the Fantom 8. I'm just curious if it's possible to extract patterns from one scene and import them into another or new scene on the Fantom? Namely exporting different sessions patterns to the pads and just remixing those elements on the fly to remix the elements? My lil brain is just swooning over the creative freedom I'm hoping this purchase will bring to my workflow.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, congrats on the Fantom! As far as pattern editing, I'm not sure, I no longer have this it was just a loaner, I wanted to see what the sequencer was like. But in my own workflow I'm usually recording into the MPC, Force, iPad, or Maschine, etc, so not really doing much sequencing directly on the keyboard.

[@testowykana1763]

Could someone do a quick TLDW for me? Does MODX allow to edit single recorded midi notes like Fantom does? I mean something like piano roll at 19:02 mark? Or even oldschood midi notes list like on older Motifs? I just cannot find any information about it.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Not sure, no longer have this, maybe check with Yamaha

[@elvissrsen]

Can i load patterns that i made in motif xs7 (with wave backing tracks in it) into the montage?

[@SoundsAndGear]

I'm not sure, I no longer have the Montage and never used the XS

[@HammyGirl999]

Awesome video! Sold me on the Roland Fantom 8.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, thanks for watching!

[@seankalifut9948]

This is why I still like the sequencer in the Motif XF versus the Montage. You do not have to stop the sequence to select your sounds and you can edit while the sequence is still playing.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah I feel you!

[@ralfhomann6024]

After last update it is no longer needed to stop playing for adding a sound

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@ralfhomann6024 Cool

[@grimyregime]

I just got the fantom a few days ago. Took me a few days to get it to midi up with my MPC X the way I wanted. I'm focused on having a fast workflow. I have lots of plugins,but I'm tired of depending on a computer for production. The only issue I have with the fantom so far is that you can't export audio to later import into your DAW. At least I haven't found out how to do so. I would love to see your workflow using the fantom and mpc together.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Word fam I feel you. Honestly I just record the audio into the mpc instead of using midi to sequence. I prefer an audio workflow in general, no need to capture it all later.

[@88mokeyz8k]

great demo with both boards using the two together would be Dope!

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@jgweems]

I appreciate this video. I am paralyzed and write songs using a typing stick. I've been using a Yamaha Mox6 for years and want to upgrade to one of these to have better sounds. I still have to think about the sequencer though, so it's a tough choice.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@MostlyHuman]

I have tried endless forms of HW and SW sequencers as well as multi-channel MIDI sound generators. Considering your input approach, have you tried using a 'tracker' type sequencer? That would require the least number of clicks/keystrokes to enter musical data, especially if paired with a HW MIDI sound module where you can send BANK/PC messages to get straight to the preset you want and not have to fiddle with endless menus. For example: Renoise tracker SW on your computer sending 16 MIDI channels to either the improved MOXF6, MODX6, or Roland Integra 7. If you want a HW tracker, there is the Polyend Tracker but I do not know if the keys would be easy to activate/navigate with your typing stick compared to your current keyboard.

[@keekeefries6298]

Nice comparison. I have the MODX and was thinking the same as you, that some of the features on the new Roland Fantom are better for developing creative ideas quickly and seeing the piano roll for editing is more intuitive.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@C.Faysal]

i ve seen so many comparison videos and still I cannot make a decision for me which would be the best pick. as for the sequencer thing yeah they added Record rehearsal to avoid the issue being forced to stop the playback in order to preview and add new sounds. I guess it came with OS 3.0 ? anyway I pretty much prefer the straight forward design of the fantom software and usability but absolutely love sound engine of the montage in terms of sequencing workflow and recordings I doubt it makes a big difference for home musicians that will definitely have some sort of software like logic oder cubase for making arrangements and such. so why blame the synth? which would be your first choice and why?

[@SoundsAndGear]

I prefer the sounds of the Montage. I generally would not use the sequencer on either to be honest, plus I have other Roland gear so I can get similar sounds.

[@KosmicKitchen]

Thanks for this video; I am used to pattern sequencing on the oldef Motif XF, which has a lot of physical buttons. The Montage doesn't really cut it for me but the Fantom's sequencer is looking good.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching.

[@MrSteveVee]

From memory, I thought the pattern sequencer seemed very similar to the Motif, is this not the case?

[@miekwavesoundlab]

I own Motif XF too. I like its pattern sequencer with sections A-P and 5 mute memory switches. Does the Fantom sequencer have same type?

[@followyourpassion8378]

Great and very helpful comparison! For me, it would also have been very interesting, if you had played (approximately) the same thing with the same selection of instruments on both machines.

[@superchickensuperchicken7939]

Joe so a scene is just like the project on the MPC X\LIVE it saves every thing, sequence, programs, tracks effects, plugins etc. and same with a performance on the Yamaha Mon or modx right?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah pretty much, except, on the Fantom the sounds aren't exclusive to the Scene. On the Montage, sounds are exclusive to the performance, so you can adjust/change them and it will not mess with the other presets. On the Fantom it will save everything but if you adjust the sound/tone you should save it manually first so it doesn't mess up that sound in other scenes.

[@christianthompson1473]

With the fantom you can save some basic voice parameters as "offsets" with the scene, such as filter cutoff or transpose etc. Otherwise its very easy to edit the voice, then save it into a new voice slot and then save the scene. Job done.

[@DrGargani]

apart from ease of operation, or sound quality, the one aspect that puts Roland FAR ahead, is the view screen: on the Montage it is primarily mono-chromatic, as such, the eye does not go to any one thing in particular, but tends to take in the whole, which I find more confusing: On the Roland, you have distinct and brilliant color differences, and a very sharp contrast, that immediately sets the eyes on various different parts, especially the one that you choose. If you keep in mind, that all of these displays are relatively small compared to a computer screen, this becomes a very important aspect in the workflow.

[@SoundsAndGear]

That's actually super important, I personally think overall the Fantoms GUI is easier to navigate. I know the Montage and have used it for quite a while but I remember when I first used it things were a bit confusing. On the Fantom it feels a bit more refined, snappy, and the colors pop more which makes it easier to get around.

[@PianoGirl5678]

I have played the Montage and love the keyboard. It has my ideal lighter weight and fast responsiveness. How does the Roland fantom 8 keybed feel comparatively? Heavier? Can you play a note repeatedly as fast? Thanks a bunch!

[@SoundsAndGear]

I have not played the Fantom 8, but the Fantom 6 keyboard is nice as well.

[@ThirdLadderEnt]

Hmm, this is interesting in the fact they weren’t initially designed to standalone sequence. On the Montage it has good Cubase and Cubasis integration and the Fantom has Logic Pro integration. I think this video needs a part 2 and a part 3, specifically addressing sequencing using iOS (cubasis, garageband) and desktop (Cubase, Logic Pro X)

[@SoundsAndGear]

The Montage wasn't designed as a workstation, it was a synth first, but this update definitely gives it a bit more help in that workstation area. I think standalone sequencing was always a major part of the design of the Fantom. When I use them with iOS I just record audio, same with anything I do on the desktop. I'm definitely not doing any MIDI routing/triggering, just straight to audio, gonna have to record it anyway so I just skip the MIDI step hahaha.

[@armend316]

Korg for me, coming from Korg M1 thank you! P.S. I used to work for Yamaha, I have a downgrade keyboard at the moment. Roland FP30 but plan to upgrade either Fantom or Montage thank you! 🙂

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@brianhoffmann2403]

Thanks for this.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@paulallenMacca]

I have the Yamaha CP88 but i am trying to choose between the Montage 8 in White and the Roland Fantom 8 i wonder which has the better sounding pianos' only play at home.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching. As for "best" piano, that's super subjective and the best way to know is to play them yourself. Listening to demos can give an idea but nothing like playing them to see how they respond under your fingers.

[@Kougeru]

I don't see why you'd need one with better piano sounds when you already have the CP88

[@lordbachus]

Great video, love how the Fantom has such a great interface. But there is one reason i will stick to montage, and thats because of the arps.. so for me the patternseq on the montage feels like a free gift..

[@SoundsAndGear]

Nice, thanks for watching!

[@woodyforrest313]

hey jules, a question if i may. yes, i heard the arps are great. i´m interested in drum patterns that have swing/shuffle. are there any onboard? i do funky house. thank you.

[@joshkjoby8400]

One very big question can you automate parameter such as pitch, volume, cutoff etc in any of these pitch especially cos it wouldn't be ideal to use a pitch bend for rising and falling pitch changes while recording is this possible in any of the two Please reply 🙏🙏🙏

[@SoundsAndGear]

Not sure, don't have these anymore.

[@joshkjoby8400]

Can you send data to the daw like ableton using a midi connection and receive directly from the daw ? Cos that would be a workaround for the problem I mentioned abobe

[@anthonyrock5039]

@@joshkjoby8400 yes

[@thegoldenamerican]

Hi, I know this an old post but curious as to why you got rid of the Montage? And did you get rid of the Fantom as well? Thanks

[@SoundsAndGear]

I was testing them out. I didn't keep either.

[@thegoldenamerican]

Thanks for the reply

[@markquavertune2003]

Thank you for the very clear demonstration .The Montage also has Cubase .I understand that the Fantom works best with MAC .Not so sure with windows .Montage will work with windows and Cubase .Does the Montage have lag producing the sounds ? Could a demonstration of the Akai MPC be done with the Montage ?

[@SoundsAndGear]

I don’t really use it with Cuba’s integration but I suppose it should work.

[@Wulfcry]

Try the chord button on the Fantom out with guitars you're going to be thrilled the arpeggio is on a different level.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah, I love using it with the roll feature on, think I've used it on every type of sound lol. I fell in love with that feature back when I had an FA08 for a little while. (returned it because I didn't like the weighted keybed)

[@AchillesWrath1]

How are the sound on the fantom vs the montage?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Both have good sounds and some not so good ones

[@abuarami557]

I really like the FANTOM as a workstation! looks so intuitive. The sounds of the MONTAGE, in my opinion, are so clean! Maybe you could play around with some FANTOM sounds (flutes, pads, bells, organic sounds) and play with the filters? I would do it by myself if I had one :D

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah the Fantom definitely has a nice workflow, both have some nice sounds just depends on your taste I think.

[@janrehak288]

But Yamaha Montage have usb to device where i can plug Akai force.. and akai force have buttons not part and scenes what i must push by screen and of coarse i need montage long sequencer for record what i sequenced from Akai force.. with external synth its only option in cause of zone masters what i cant have on roland fantom on one channel with awm2 or fm.. pattern sequencer is on montage sucessor for akai mpc 1000 - pattern can be longer than 64 bar (i think its 136 bar? I dont know) and i can use it for write sequences to daw..

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching, not sure I understand the question though.

[@Talentocubano]

If I save a scene with samples that I import in the fantom would they be the samples for that scene or is for all scenes ?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Samples on the Fantom are global, you have the 64 sample pads that are referenced by any scenes that use samples. It's actually a separate flash memory from everything else, so the samples stay there until you delete them.

[@Talentocubano]

So If I have 10 songs and all of them use samples loops let’s say I use all the banks for this 10 songs and I want to put more samples I need to delete samples?

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@Talentocubano Currently that's how it works, unless they open it up to give samples per scene.

[@rolandpohlmann4871]

@@SoundsAndGear I hope Roland will fix this "error" (or lake by design) as soon as possible; I was deeply disappointed that this hasnt been implemented yet.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@rolandpohlmann4871 Yeah, I'm not sure, there is a set amount of sample memory, so it will be interesting to see how they handle that.

[@patrickfrancis7547]

Thanks I did not even know Montage did it Nice !

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@jonlbarry]

It’s a pretty good sequencer on the Montage, and I prefer the sounds.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I'm also partial to the sounds on the Montage overall, though the Fantom has a few keepers as well lol.

[@squeakD]

Did I hear him correctly….., the Fantom does not have a 16 trk linear sequencer, only pattern sequencing?????

[@SoundsAndGear]

It may have been updated by now, but that's how it was when it first launched. I'm not sure, haven't touched one in a few years.

[@jazzfunkhead6866]

This is the best down to earth demonstration of the Montage pattern sequencer on the net. Simple and effective! The Montage is a performance keyboard like the Nord Stage 3 and NOT a workstation. We all knew that before we purchased it. Look in the mirror first and start the blame there lol. Did Yamaha miss an opportunity? Sure..... but it will only be a digital scratch pad via updates. Nothing more. Foolish to think otherwise. I own a Montage and could not be happier with the sounds at home and live when I use to play out at gigs before covid-19.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching! And yes, it sounds amazing.

[@HammyGirl999]

Hey all! The Montage now allows you to go select your next instrument while the sequencer is running! 😁

[@SoundsAndGear]

Nice!!!

[@ramonkey2939]

Awesome!!!

[@ANCAPVoluntaryist]

Anyone confirming it is true?

[@spitflash2]

Thank you for the information 🙏🏿😁

[@TeleporterM11]

Can you do a video of workflows that involve the Mpc x and the Fantom

[@SoundsAndGear]

I typically just record audio from whatever keyboard/synth into whatever sampler I'm using. I no longer have the Fantom in the setup to show anything with it.

[@TeleporterM11]

SoundsAndGear What happened to the Fantom. You know the Zen core gives them the ability to do any type of updates to their OS design.

[@TeleporterM11]

SoundsAndGear Does the Fantom allow you to bounce or export your tracks when you are finished with creating a song.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@TeleporterM11 I don't remember

[@armend316]

Earned a sub.+like! Thank you!🙂

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@joebond9435]

Good stuff

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching bro!

[@followyourpassion8378]

With Montage OS V3.5 you can select sounds while playing a loop/pattern.

[@DrGargani]

thank you for a very clear video explaining these contrasting features: I have a statement and a question: I don't know why they both feel that they have to limit so much: IE: my Motif has 16 sections of 16 instruments: both of these keyboards have half of that, eight...Montage may call it a "scene", but it is similar to the section in Motif.....also: with the Roland, the patterns have a 32 bar limit, which is just terrible: when you are doing "new agey" type instrumental only type songs, this is not a problem because there is a lot of looping involved, but when you are doing more traditional pop songs, you sometimes need as much sections as possible. my question is this: I have seen videos of the Fantom where is it very easy to send information OUT to trigger an external sound source in any of the tracks, but in all of the Montage videos , I have not seen this yet, is this something you CAN do with the Montage?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching! I'd imagine that eventually the Fantom will get a more linear sequencer in addition to the patterns, but I could be wrong. I haven't tried sequencing external devices with the Montage or the Fantom personally so I can't speak on that aspect of it.

[@DrGargani]

@@SoundsAndGear thank you for your honesty: in my rig, I use a cherished Korg32 digital recorder as my mixer and recorder, as such, I prefer to do final mixing employing those 32 tracks, so, I like to trigger sounds from a variety of the rest of my rig: Kronos, Integra, FA-08, etc....so for me, controlling the external instruments is very important, as I don't care to have everything just coming from one keyboard.....

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@DrGargani Nice! I don't use MIDI much, I tend to record audio from whatever I'm using to a central device/recorder. So I rarely use the sequencer on these keyboards anymore and mainly just use them as sound sources. I'm usually capturing audio from them into the MPC, iPad, or Maschine.

[@Gainn]

I also can't understand why the sequencer sections on these boards are so limiting.. My ancient SY85 has a better song sequencer than any of these recent "flagships".

[@DrGargani]

@@Gainn ditto for one of my old Ensoniq boards......the prices keep going up, and the sequencer capability down...

[@Rightly_Divided]

I got the Fantom 6. Can't complain whatsoever. BUT yes the sounds on Yamaha are a bit more robust. Do you think tweaking the Fantom sounds may improve the overall sound quality of the instrument? Do you think it is just how they set the presets? Great video btw. Lovin' it.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I think it is just a difference in sound character, they've always sounded different to me, from way back in the day. I've had gear from both and always felt Yamaha had a more organic sound where Roland was a bit more "hi fi" in general. Of course you can find organic sounds on Roland and hi fi stuff from Yamaha but the overall sound character to me was like this. Also, I think if Roland brings more new acoustic sounds, along with the Supernatural acoustic stuff from the Integra, etc, it will even out.

[@halo091]

@@SoundsAndGear do you think they will add those supernatural sounds an integra sounds with an update?

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@halo091 I heard they added some with the free expansions on the axial site

[@halo091]

@@SoundsAndGear for the new fantom?

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@halo091 Yeah, they dropped all 15 free expansions now.

[@Lainer1]

I wonder if the new Fantom can do linear sequencing?

[@SoundsAndGear]

It is pattern based from what I recall, unless they've updated it.

[@Diddddu]

@@SoundsAndGear That's why i say the Fantom G has the most user friendly familiar looking interface on any workstation.It's really like using a Daw.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@Diddddu nice

[@karahantruk]

So can we say the Fantom is the better sequencer you can make better and easier like Orchestral mix or something like that?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Depends on if you prefer pattern/clip sequencing or long linear sequences. Fantom is the better pattern sequencer.

[@karahantruk]

@@SoundsAndGear ok thx for Help :)

[@jasonvotaw5966]

Divide Drumtrack!??!! Yes you just changed my life! - Did not know about that

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yes indeed! Thanks for watching!

[@jozefbrodznski7824]

Really hard to choose, for me Montage wins sounds but Roland wins extremly more userfriendly interface for daily work, drama for me :D

[@SoundsAndGear]

I agree!

[@tntills2002]

I have the Fantom, I do like it, I but actually like the sequencer on the Roland FA better and hope Roland can improve the Fantom.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, thanks for watching!

[@jonlbarry]

thomas tills I had an FA before I’d I’d agree. The sequencer on the fa is über simple and quick. I am sure the new Fantom will gain ground with some updates. For me it came down to price and the Montage deals, the Fantom was too expensive for me.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@jonlbarry Yeah I had an FA for a little bit, I enjoyed it. I do like the fact that you can load more than 2 expansions at once on the Fantom, always wanted that on the FA lol.

[@justaname1862]

The new Fantom has a toy sequencer and just one of the reasons im not updating...also NO SAMPLER (apart from a crappy DJ pad type) NO Audio Tracks etc...the list goes on of functions it lacks....it is "Definately" not a Workstation!

[@turtlefeet7722]

I sent decide.. thanks bro.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching.

[@NightOrchids]

Good video... But did I hear you right?? at 00.25 you said "... the montage already has a linear sequencer".... I know the montage OS is up to version 3.5 or something, so have Yamaha added a linear sequencer. since release... I compose movie music so I'm struggling with making songs on the fantom... I might refund for a montage if that is correct..

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah, it has been a while since I tried it, but there is a linear sequencer in there. Checkout some videos on it, it may not be what you're looking for or it may be.

[@NightOrchids]

@@SoundsAndGear i will definitely.. thank you, im still within the 30day cooling off period of my purchase, so i can exchange it ... Keep up the great work.. 👍

[@woodyforrest313]

@@SoundsAndGear from what i remember the linear sequencer can not handle consecutive recording of tracks. you have ro record all 16 tracks at once with just ten fingers which seems a bit odd.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@woodyforrest313 Yeah, I don't remember, I thought you could overdub though. It's been a while lol.

[@SLHkeyboards]

@@SoundsAndGear You can overdub, but once you do, you can't edit the tracks individually.

[@christianthompson1473]

Fantom definitely needs a group edit function to audition and edit the groups. With large numbers of patterns it becomes impossible to work easily towards structuring and composing a demo song. And song mode needs to become a proper linear sequencer with mix recording!

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, thanks for the comment.

[@superchickensuperchicken7939]

Joe I'm scared to watch this comparison video I got the MODX8 and getting ready to buy the the Roland Fantom 8, I am happy about the Yamaha updates tho new sequence this was the only thing I wan't liking about the Yamaha but the new Roland Fantom is a beast... to be able to pick your sounds while the sequencer is running is a must.. they need to come up with another update to allow to navigate the mon or mod while the sequencer is running 4real tho..

[@SoundsAndGear]

Hahahaha, man if you gonna have both you good LOL, they can both do some damage.

[@superchickensuperchicken7939]

lol

[@superchickensuperchicken7939]

that's right damage, plus the MPC X, man...lol still waiting on Korg to bring back the Triton super charge

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@superchickensuperchicken7939 Hahahaha, man they already got the Kronos, wonder if they will have a new joint at NAMM later this month.

[@wondercorriere6584]

Roland ❤️❤️ #Brazil

[@SoundsAndGear]

Nice! Thanks for watching!

[@HammyGirl999]

Really helpful to my decision making. How do the keyboards compare?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching, both have nice keybeds!

[@HammyGirl999]

I like the piano roll view a lot.

[@HammyGirl999]

Do you know for each... if for a song you can globally set the hz to 443 hz or 528 hz etc... vs standard 440 hz?

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@HammyGirl999 I'm not sure, I would imagine you can set global tuning on them but it has been a while since I checked them out.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@HammyGirl999 Yeah piano roll is nice

[@soulscientific2685]

Does the fantom sample?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah, you can sample to the pads kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHuaha2mbN92d5I

[@pcuimac]

No. You don't have velocity switched multisamples. You need a Fantom G for that.

[@tuneunleashed]

Soul Scientific no you don’t

[@Bashanvibe]

The Fantom to me looks like a combination of Abelton Live and FL Studio

[@SoundsAndGear]

Word! Thanks for watching!

[@eliocesarocamposbrizuela1573]

In my opinión Montage champion 🏆🏆🏆

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, thanks for watching!

[@headlinerbeats]

that laggy af touchscreen on a 4K keyboard turns me off about the modx and montage. Thats a no go

[@SoundsAndGear]

The fantom screen is definitely more responsive

[@headlinerbeats]

@@SoundsAndGear a lot

[@packetpupper]

It really isn't laggy, just poorly configured at the factory settings. When you actually make an effort to calibrate the touch panel and turn off animations, it operates just as well as the Roland. Most people don't give into those settings though, and thus have a bad experience.

[@SoundsAndGear]

It’s not as snappy as the Roland, even with calibration. Unless they updated the hardware since I had them, which is possible.

[@AchillesWrath1]

Does this work the same same on the modx?

[@SoundsAndGear]

Yeah

[@AchillesWrath1]

@@SoundsAndGear cool man, im pretty close to pulling the trigger on a modx.7 That may have been enough to convince me to do it. Thanks

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool!

[@AveMcree]

I know you got the Triton plugin lol

[@SoundsAndGear]

No sir lol, waiting for the iOS version hahaha, I use that more than plugins on the desktop these days.

[@colinodea3192]

Once you built your patterns on the montage/modx you have another screen to build up a song.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching. I didn't delve into song mode/views on either, (Fantom has another view for songs that lets you chain patterns together as well) mainly just wanted to focus on the pattern sequencer, I may do another video on their song modes if I get enough questions about it.

[@colinodea3192]

@@SoundsAndGear its a fantastic update and nice to see from Yamaha. Will subscribe 😀

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@colinodea3192 Yeah it is definitely a nice update!

[@mehmetkaya5845]

Fantom 6🙏👍harika

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@jacobbrown1690]

korg m3 has them both beat. so does the kronos

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, all about preference, thanks for watching.

[@JuliusDeBerryJr]

The ONE thing I wish Korg had done... Is to put a legit PATTERN BASED SEQUENCER in the Kronos. Not the ability to record patterns But a legit pattern BASED sequencer.

[@JacobAndJamal]

I did not like the Montage . Had it for a week and returned it. I had a Motif ES and RS7000 , and became a beast making tracks on those. Simple choose sound, choose track, and record. Then you could set loops and patterns to make a song. The montage I just couldn't wrap my head around.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I hear ya, definitely nothing like those

[@alexteclas3078]

Montage Yamaha sempre 🎹🙏

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching!

[@XPJV]

That montage blinking knob is so annoying..

[@SoundsAndGear]

Hahahaha lol

[@travr1131]

You can easily turn the flashing light off in settings.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@travr1131 yep

[@jokumvildmoosehawkfield3176]

Come on with that rollpiano Yamaha. And let me find sounds and effects and much more while recording rolling.

[@SoundsAndGear]

uhhh...ok

[@michellew.3691]

I even dont understand how these companies collaborate with Apple or Android tablet products. Would have a way better UXUI for sure.

[@SoundsAndGear]

Huh?

[@csu111]

You don’t have to stop the Montage to bring in new sounds. Record rehearse….

[@SoundsAndGear]

No longer have this, their OS has changed quite a bit since I had it.

[@dasstraat]

Montage looks old, Roland modern. Montage is improving sounds, but usually Yamaha has cheap keyboard sounds. Roland is my preference as performer, having mainly useful sounds and faster creation of sequences.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I hear ya! I like the looks of both to be honest, Roland newer, Montage has a more "substatial" look, the bigger faders, knobs, etc. It's no contest in terms of navigation though, Roland winds hands down. Sound wise, both are good, I lean more towards Montage acoustic/instrument stuff, but there are still sounds I love from Roland. The Fantom is the better overall workstation for sure, but Montage isn't really a workstation, just a synth which is getting workstation features through updates. Yamaha navigation has always left quite a bit to be desired lol.

[@Kougeru]

what do you mean by "keyboard sounds" ? Lot of people love YAMAHA's sounds

[@jonaschalewmusic549]

@@Kougeru I think that he means the super natural and zen core sounds are much higher quality, which is true imo aswell, but it doesn't have FM, which makes the yamaha equally as interesting.

[@Kougeru]

@@jonaschalewmusic549 I see. I guess it's just one of those things. I see so many people argue either way. I can't say I have a preference. I think both sound fantastic for acoustic instruments. And that both of theses have bad organs (though the YAMAHA YC61 sounds amazing). Tbh my main issue with most YAMAHA boards is that I'm mostly a pianist and they don't have sympathetic string resonance even on the CP88. That's a big thing that adds a lot of realism. Roland has it in even their cheaper boards. And of course Roland also throws in their best action to even their lower priced pianos. I think YAMAHA is a bit overpriced because of reasons like that. Especially the action.

[@armend316]

@@Kougeru well said and spot on! Roland is better than Yamaha alright. Thank you!

[@BJSOUNDBEATS]

The Roland fantom is the best workstacion on the market

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching

[@BRJHA80]

That's debatable.

[@williamangelitolopez422]

Montage is a best

[@SoundsAndGear]

Cool, thanks for checking out the video.

[@TokyoScarab]

Montage cost all this money and doesn't even have a piano roll feature?! SMDH LMAO

[@SoundsAndGear]

LOL Most synths don't, they originally released the Montage as a synth, not a workstation. They've since added more "workstation" type features but they aren't as smoothly integrated as the Fantom, Kronos, etc.

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

Wonders why obviously no Steinberg know how went into the Montage, it's a Yamaha branch.

[@SoundsAndGear]

thanks for watching

[@Supremeteamcaptain]

Personally I like to consider the Fantom a true workstation, while I view my MODX as a legit synthesizer.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I can definitely understand that, thanks for watching!

[@jno8039]

You right. Yamaha never sold the Montage / Modx as a workstation

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@jno8039 Yep definitely wasn't the intended use, but their updates are definitely making it more useful as one, good stuff.

[@U2360TO]

Yamaha interface is so cluttered and confusing! Roland's workflow is much better and intuitive. you don't have to remember or learn anything once you perform a task for the first time. Because everything is so logical that all the steps come naturally. It's funny that Yamaha copied Roland's 16 pads concept for their latest Montage M series in terms of tone category selection. But they are too shy to make the buttons bigger and double the use as a pad, probably due to copyright concern!

[@SoundsAndGear]

I agree, Roland interface is much better.

[@KOISANX]

Very unintuitive....🤔...workflow interrupted

[@SoundsAndGear]

Thanks for watching

[@difdesign]

This Video is toooo Montage minded.

[@SoundsAndGear]

OK, if you say so LOL.

[@dasstraat]

Although it is Montage minded, the winner is definitely ROLAND!!! The song will not become a hit hahaha... but example is great.

[@SoundsAndGear]

@@dasstraat Roland by far has the better workflow indeed

[@AbdiPianoChannel]

Pattern sequencing sucks. Roland sequencer is way better and easier. If Yamaha design sequencer just like cubase would be better.

[@SoundsAndGear]

I agree, Fantom's sequencer is definitely more fluid.

[@turner45555]

The Roland Fantom is like double the price, it should be better

[@SoundsAndGear]

Price doesn't automatically equal better. Montage was not designed as a sequencer/workstation originally, Fantom was. If you like pattern sequencing it definitely wins there.

[@life-is-inspiring3953]

Roland is better

[@SoundsAndGear]

thanks for the comment!

[@mikemironov6921]

On my opinion Fantom beats Montage on most points. If that’s all you could find that Montage has little, not important extra or better, it proves that Fantom is better in all other aspects. It is as to compare Ferrari with Prius. Both are cars and Prius probably more fuel efficient than Ferrari, but we know which one would you pick, right?! Haha...Look at Montage, all that cheap plastic, cheap dry flat sound, fail. Maybe Fantom is not super perfect, but way better than Montage! Fantom is Ferrari, the winner!!!

[@SoundsAndGear]

Sound wise I prefer the Montage, but the Fantom is better as a "workstation" and the ergonomics, workflow, is just smoother in my opinion.

[@jithinjoseph1057]

Mike mironov..What the heck u r saying bro? Yamaha plastic? I have played both the keys.. then I owned Yamaha montage.. it's superior in sound quality.. no other keys can beat Yamaha in terms of accustic sounds.the rest it's optional....

[@noelvijay6894]

@@SoundsAndGear I agree with you

[@noelvijay6894]

Don't tell Kronos is powerful it's waste 👎..go and check out the new Roland fantom and montage technology... don't compare 10 years old Kronos technology with latest fantom and montage.. technology Kronos can't do what Roland fantom and Yamaha montage can do

[@SoundsAndGear]

They all do things differently. Kronos does stuff the others don't, Fantom does stuff the others don't, Montage does stuff the others don't. All are powerful keyboards.

[@christianashish5371]

Lack of knowledgeable mentality 😂😂😂🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@trevorsong3054]

Korg Kronos has that beautiful two minute load time and the fan humming on

[@ErraticFaith]

Korg Kronos happens to be one of the greatest workstations ever built. As I expect will be their next entry. The engines within it are still extremely capable, which is why they were packaged into the Nautilus. Roland Fantom is also an evolution, of our past technology. It brings new and also old. So please dispense with the brand rivalry. That is not our way here. And we are the ones producing most of what you use. Treat new and old with respect.

[@followyourpassion8378]

I am not a Korg fan, but I always thought the OASYS was cool: cdn.korg.com/in/features/artists/upload/2f7b702a137ab90e912d45e6c176d898_sp.jpg

[@justaname1862]

Ewwwww...Pattern Sequencers!!! How very 1970s of them!

[@SoundsAndGear]

LOL...uh....ok