Yes, we can RECYCLE EV batteries. Here's how | Fully Charged

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@elbocko5339
@elbocko5339 4 жыл бұрын
This is the sort of presentation that makes me glad that I am a Patreon supporter of Fully Charged. Dr Cserski is an extremely good presenter and asks the right questions to get the subjects to talk in depth about their achievements. Thanks also to Duesenfeld for hosting fully charged. More like this please. Oh as an addition, many thanks to all the German experts speaking about really complicated science in English.
@meeder78
@meeder78 4 жыл бұрын
The age that the English language was an issue in Germany has long been gone luckily.
@ambassadorfromreality1395
@ambassadorfromreality1395 4 жыл бұрын
This is the sort of comment that makes me glad I don't have to make a further comment. Brilliant all round. Everything said
@SWR112
@SWR112 4 жыл бұрын
Plus she’s hot 👍 But yes she brings it down to a level we can understand and packages it in a interesting way.
@finnersmcspeed5646
@finnersmcspeed5646 4 жыл бұрын
It's incredible the degree that Continental Europeans can articulate in English generally. Really puts us to shame.
@tenoki
@tenoki 4 жыл бұрын
@@pasoundman Say you are right about this creating toxic waste that cannot be used to manufacture new batteries. Burning and burying these things is better and creates less toxic waste? Then mining for new raw materials takes less energy? Seriously. What they are doing in the video may not be perfect from a Chemistry stand point but if you look at the bigger picture, Duesenfeld is at least trying to innovate and find a new solution versus taking the "This is how we have always done it approach". Failure is not a bad thing. If this turns out to be a dead end for some reason, at least we as a whole will know what not to do from that point on. You may be a chemist. I don't know your credentials, but being hostile is not a way to win over people to you side of thinking. Even if you have the right answers, being hostile will make people shutdown and not listen to what you are saying. But thank you for encouraging me to go do my own independent research on this.
@thatyougoon1785
@thatyougoon1785 4 жыл бұрын
Finally a good video I can share when people say "batteries are not recyclable"
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 4 жыл бұрын
Given that recycling batterys is a "public service" in Germany (payed by the value of materials, necessary because of the involved risk).
@MX-Vette
@MX-Vette 4 жыл бұрын
They won't listen. They'll never let you counter their agenda.
@Jake12220
@Jake12220 4 жыл бұрын
Given the amount of people involved and how few batteries is seems like it's only currently possible with substantial public funding (it's not cost effective on its own yet). It's a great step forward, but they need to get to the point where it is largely automated or done on a larger scale or the end result will be a substantial increase in the cost of the batteries. We need to decrease the cost of batteries in order to increase uptake, but this is a great step in the right direction.
@EpicJonT
@EpicJonT 4 жыл бұрын
Ask them about Petrol and Diesel recycling and whether it is environmentally friendly.
@instanoodles
@instanoodles 4 жыл бұрын
You think they have a 22 minute attention span for stuff like this? Facts wont help when none were used to form their opinion in the first place.
@jekader
@jekader 4 жыл бұрын
Always nice to hear Germans talk about technology: no over-excitement, just facts.
@vze2rdgy
@vze2rdgy 4 жыл бұрын
Probably not when they talk in German.
@froehmaj
@froehmaj 4 жыл бұрын
I laught so hard omg, but I guess we are more exited when speaking German.
@thankyouforyourcompliance7386
@thankyouforyourcompliance7386 4 жыл бұрын
@@vze2rdgy Also when we talk in German. Show-and-tell is not what we grew up with in that generation. And keep in mind that this company is dominated by mechanical and chemical engineers.
@SuperFlons
@SuperFlons 4 жыл бұрын
Except when they were talking about diesels the last 20 years :' )
@grumpy-dad3701
@grumpy-dad3701 3 жыл бұрын
Volkswagen
@rossipswich6783
@rossipswich6783 4 жыл бұрын
She is an outstanding presenter.
@ph11p3540
@ph11p3540 4 жыл бұрын
That's because shes no idiot with a hostile agenda with intentions of twisting and misconstruing things out of context. The reporter and CEO are functioning on the same page of like minded values and agendas. Still, the CEO has to prevent a lot of highly sensitive, not yet patented proprietary tech from every leaking out early.
@DogsBAwesome
@DogsBAwesome 4 жыл бұрын
This shows the beauty of online content, you can get more detail and less fluff.
@JustWasted3HoursHere
@JustWasted3HoursHere 4 жыл бұрын
As I always say, the internet is about 99% crap, but that 1% of good stuff makes up for it!
@CatholicSatan
@CatholicSatan 4 жыл бұрын
How nice to have an articulate, knowledgeable presenter who realises there's an intelligent audience out there. Compelling stuff from the Doc!
@Sarge084
@Sarge084 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! She could easily lose most of us in technical jargon but she explains things in such a way that doesn't insult the viewer, whatever their level of competency in the subject.
@effyleven
@effyleven 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sarge084 YES. And the cogent and sensible questions were acting as prompts to the Germans.. She was making a most worthwhile contribution to the success of the whole video. Many thanks to her.
@bibliotek42
@bibliotek42 4 жыл бұрын
Yet another really, really interesting film. I originally started watching fully charged because of the cars (and Robert), but I find now that the videos concerning power generation and the circular economy are the most interesting. Thank you! I hope this company can build more centres all over the planet. This method has huge advantages over the incineration process. PS. Love the fully charged jumper too!
@tosheshdaulta8899
@tosheshdaulta8899 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy with 72%. And that is today. If I were to buy an ev now, its battery would last at least 10 years and then another 20 as a storage battery in its second life. Imagine the future.
@mgammeren
@mgammeren 4 жыл бұрын
That's the main thing here. It takes quite a long time before that battery is going to it's end of life.
@Dave5843-d9m
@Dave5843-d9m 4 жыл бұрын
The very long life of Li-ion batteries is great news but it does pose a materials problem for new batteries. We need to find a recipe that uses less nickel and hopefully zero cobalt. Musk/Tesla is one of the few seriously working on that
@dansanders2679
@dansanders2679 4 жыл бұрын
Was 72% the final number? I got a little confused about how much of the total battery was recyclable. The chart was 32%, the bald guy said nearly 100% but the previous guy said not near 100%
@pioneer7777777
@pioneer7777777 4 жыл бұрын
@@dansanders2679 My understanding was 32% was for the smelting process, 72% was their process and nearly 100% included graphite which they are not currently doing and excluded plastics (91% I think from the graph)
@maxmouche
@maxmouche 4 жыл бұрын
@@pioneer7777777 This is actually a little bit of the beef I have with this video. It would have been nice if these figures had been have been made a little more straight forward and easy to digest. Because even at 80% recycling efficiency, a battery recycled 4 times drops down to 32% of the initial efficiency of its brand new version. Also I wish they'd touched on the following: say a battery has several years lifespan and its efficiency drops down to 60% of initial efficiency. Let's assume the current 72% recycling efficiency. What do you then get as a recycled battery? 70% of the 60% or 70% of the 100%? If someone in the know could help me with that one, that'd be great - thanks.
@jedics1
@jedics1 4 жыл бұрын
As many others have commented below, the format of low hype and high amounts of simply presented info is a refreshing change from what most media is doing. Don't change a thing, especially Helen :)
@andreasryf
@andreasryf 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best productions of fully charged. Please more our this. Small note: Batteries are being recycled since ages. Lead-acid batteries up to well over 95% (because it's relatively easy), primary cells to a lesser degree (because it's harder) , but still, there are numerous facilities that do battery recycling.
@hughmarcus1
@hughmarcus1 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly most lead/acid batteries just get broken up to recover the lead. The rest gets dumped.
@johnturner4400
@johnturner4400 4 жыл бұрын
Andreas Ryf. The best prices at the scrapyard are for batteries
@gareth7548
@gareth7548 4 жыл бұрын
@@hughmarcus1 The rest is mostly "just" plastic, which is relatively worthless but for car batteries should probably be regularised into a single type of plastic really. The lead in lead acid batteries is nearly always 100% pure lead, so you just need to drain and neutralise the electrolyte (after which there is zero chance of fires), and then shred the battery whole, dump it in water, skim off the plastic (which floats) and then melt down what is left over. By comparison, recycling an EV battery is very hazardous and complicated to recover the materials!
@crichtonjohn1187
@crichtonjohn1187 3 жыл бұрын
most lead-acid batteries are piled up in ships and sent in africa or india or other poor countries and people with hammers just crush them, melt the lead and burn the plastics. A lot of the lead oxide ends up in the environment but that's ok we don't see it. In the future the business will grow with those lithium batteries. There are a lot of children, men in forced labor camps and so on who eagerly await to chop these batteries with axes, burn them and recover the copper. The residual energy in the battery will be put to good use to start the fire when they hit the battery with the axe. The bald man already said that the easiest way to recycle them is to incinerate them. Sure, there will be some toxic waste spilled in the environment but that's ok because they are used to this way of life in africa, india, china and so on, they need those chemicals, they are like vitamins for them, they don't even wear respirators because they want to inhale as much as possible.
@DTXGaming
@DTXGaming 4 жыл бұрын
7:04 "That's a lot of copper and... we wants it" - My preciousssss.... :D
@josebatista5188
@josebatista5188 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure if I heard correctly. So funny.
@kevinpower9534
@kevinpower9534 4 жыл бұрын
This woman is the reason I subbed to this Chanel. Her videos are extremely interesting and educating. She makes very few but boy are they good and worth waiting for. Best thing about this Chanel by far. Keep up the great work.
@matthias4
@matthias4 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine a German youtube show with british guests talking in German. Very polite of all these Germans to speak English.👍
@alex0589
@alex0589 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's time to learn about history, bud. (spoiler: it was boats, lots of boats)
@justohall
@justohall 4 жыл бұрын
So impressive that they use the power from the batteries to recycle the batteries! Up to half the required energy :D
@KieronTaylor
@KieronTaylor 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the spaetzle required to power the workers.
@niki123489
@niki123489 4 жыл бұрын
Machine that build the machine.
@Dave5843-d9m
@Dave5843-d9m 4 жыл бұрын
It’s good to use the energy but a charged battery is potentially dangerous.
@MrVelociraptor75
@MrVelociraptor75 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dave5843-d9m That's WHY they're discharging them, they just found additional savings by using the power left in them. VERY smart
@Obscurai
@Obscurai 4 жыл бұрын
They should require batteries come in charged so that the power can be used to disassemble other batteries. This will further reduce costs for the recycling company and shift more of the costs to the consumer, so that consumer realizes more of the cost of their purchase, akin to a carbon tax.
@richardburnett3757
@richardburnett3757 4 жыл бұрын
You can tell that these guys aren't used to being in the spotlight but they are doing amazing cutting edge work and worthy of investment. Helen is such a great part of the Fully charged team, scientific, logical but empathic and thoughtful. This video alone gives us hope for the human race.
@Shankovich
@Shankovich 4 жыл бұрын
Man, actual experts, doctorates, and engineers talking about a subject instead of some reporter with an agenda. Thank you!
@paulgoffin8054
@paulgoffin8054 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent to see someone who knows what the frack she's talking about talking to other people who also know what the frack they're talking about. So much better than a typical science show where the audience is assumed to have to take their socks off to count to 11.
@BrackenDawson
@BrackenDawson 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Linear television can't hope to produce anything close to this.
@michalrybinski3233
@michalrybinski3233 4 жыл бұрын
@M J Smith "The opium of the people..." Nah, that's reserved for religion, still strong among those with IQ of room temperature...
@fullychargedshow
@fullychargedshow 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, we have lots of exciting stuff planned - all the best, Fully Charged Dan
@FreeAgent99
@FreeAgent99 4 жыл бұрын
Nope that’s why I only watch KZbin most of the time and bought more Alphabet stock since they own KZbin. Don’t have Netflix etc. but I pay per month for KZbin premium
@FreeAgent99
@FreeAgent99 4 жыл бұрын
fullychargedshow I can’t wacht so much good Content! I need to go to be now but still want to finish this!
@keithsouth6900
@keithsouth6900 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent. I particularly like the use of residual current remaining in the battery to recycle itself. Now for one on recycling solar panels to put that argument to bed too!
@Jake12220
@Jake12220 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, so where in the world are solar panels being recycled? We have one company here in Australia that strips all the components and flashing off them to be recycled, but the panels themselves to the best of my knowledge no-one is able to recycle.
@richardnwilson
@richardnwilson 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jake12220 that would be a great topic for another fully charged show!
@ArthursHD
@ArthursHD 4 жыл бұрын
There is a process to separate glass sheet without smashing them, so backside sheet of a new dual-glass panel could easily come from an old panel :)
@giovannifoulmouth7205
@giovannifoulmouth7205 4 жыл бұрын
Let's first get to the point where there are so many solar panels around that they need to get recycled LOL
@crichtonjohn1187
@crichtonjohn1187 3 жыл бұрын
@@giovannifoulmouth7205 that is like saying let's first get to the point where we have so much shit in the house that we can't stand and then start building a toilet.
@SW-lw6mt
@SW-lw6mt 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating episode! Thank you for explaining the process for a layperson to understand. I love that the energy discharged is used to help power the recycling. I didn't realise they could recover the minerals too.
@DavidHP66
@DavidHP66 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely opening shot with deer and woodpecker background - Windsor Great Park? So glad to see that there is an organisation RECYCLING in the proper sense of the word and not simply shredding and chemically reclaiming the precious elements. This is the sort of operation that should be mandated by the UK government to help get the economy back on track
@Space_Reptile
@Space_Reptile 4 жыл бұрын
IM glad Dusenfeld is getting exposure, lost of people out there dont know about this method of recycling and just go "yea but recycling has terrible yields" when it, in fact, does not
@helenlawson8426
@helenlawson8426 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant program so glad you went there to look around at this fascinating company. They're normally the recycling firm I point people up because their methods are of a higher standard and percentage than most recycling batteries. One thing you could have emphasised is their use of a containerised system for the initial breakdown of the batteries so anyone can have two containers at their Recycling Yard with Duesenfeld's system in it. The chemicals then go off for specialist separation with the metals going off as normal.
@jackfadell
@jackfadell 4 жыл бұрын
I think Helen did well extracting the information out of the engineers. Not an easy subject to understand, and the engineers didn't want to give much of their company processes away. This was an excellent video because of Helen. She's an amazing presenter.
@GreatCreative
@GreatCreative 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty confident Dr. Czersk already knew all the answers.
@jackfadell
@jackfadell 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreatCreative that's true, but Helen has to extract the info to create a narrative.
@mikew2256
@mikew2256 4 жыл бұрын
Such a pleasure to listen to these guys. They really know their stuff.
@t43562
@t43562 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I loved it because I have always wondered about the problem of how many different types of batteries there are and how recyclers will cope with that - and also the very problem of how to separate all the valuable component elements. This answered my questions to a very great degree and I feel like I have a much more realistic idea now.
@iainmcintyre9900
@iainmcintyre9900 4 жыл бұрын
more from Helen please, great video
@dogsdinner99
@dogsdinner99 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent episode. Great subject to cover. Yet again Helen asks all the right questions. Superb. I like the fact that recycling batteries will actually end up making the whole lifetime co2 emissions of batteries lower, and that not even the electricity in the battery is wasted. I dont think it was covered, but Robert has mentioned that some of the materials from recycling are better than virgin materials. I wondered if this will give the recycled materials a premium price and help make recycling even more attractive financially?
@snowstrobe
@snowstrobe 4 жыл бұрын
91%... that's really good. Germany seems to make much more effort with recycling. The UK doesn't have anywhere to recycle tetra-paks, for example, our nearest option is in Germany.
@rp9674
@rp9674 2 жыл бұрын
It's still early in this wave of EV adoption, it will be easier when there's a critical mass of batteries that are out of their second life
@ianwilson3674
@ianwilson3674 4 жыл бұрын
Helen presents these subjects in an easy to digest and interesting format. I was also impressed that all the Germans she spoke to spoke excellent English not surprised but impressed.
@rogerwilliams7234
@rogerwilliams7234 4 жыл бұрын
Great show - well filmed, great images, good journalism, great questions, good presentation! FC to another level! Very well done. Thank you!
@anthonysmithtube
@anthonysmithtube 4 жыл бұрын
This content and research here is amazing! Have been waiting for more info on this for a while. It's great that this recycling is being done, but it's super complex- shows that way more needs to be done in terms or design- for- disassembly and up-front 'cradle- to cradle' design . Keep the wonderful content coming :)
@ColinGoldfinch
@ColinGoldfinch 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant company, brilliant video. Thanks
@jeremy1548
@jeremy1548 4 жыл бұрын
This is by far and away the best Fully Charged episode - sorry Robert! It is the episode I have been waiting for for ages and it doesn't pull its punches technically but it explains carefully exactly what's going on and why it's important. You would never get this on the BBC. Helen Czerski is brilliant! Thank you!
@keepawayfromthetrout
@keepawayfromthetrout 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic episode. It's episodes like this along with Bobby's rants that have kept me as a very happy Patreon supporter for years now. I mean this sort of thing should be on the BBC coming out of my licence fee frankly!
@alaneasthope2357
@alaneasthope2357 4 жыл бұрын
What a proof of concept! Awessome. And what a brilliant presenter Helen is. Thank you all for a great video.
@ssmith954
@ssmith954 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding episode. Presenter is terrific -- and subjects are all first rate! This is what the circular economy looks like: intelligent, innovative and creative engineering that builds new business and good jobs, and gets us out of the unsustainable extractives cycle.
@snowballeffect7812
@snowballeffect7812 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting point regarding recycled mixture being almost like a new, man-made ore that needs a new method to be separated and processed.
@asurademigod.376
@asurademigod.376 4 жыл бұрын
You are setting the bar up high. I wish there are other countries company try this. People like you guys will make a huge difference and will restore the balance with mother nature.
@biskero
@biskero 4 жыл бұрын
an improvement should be the design of batteries taking into account the recycling to increase the efficiency of recycling itself.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 4 жыл бұрын
If the battery manufacturers themselves were forced to do the recycling that might happen.
@Jake12220
@Jake12220 4 жыл бұрын
There have been attempts in this area, but there are lots of reasons why the main focus has been energy density. Higher energy density leads to lower weight, better performance and often lower costs. So it's clear why recycling is only a secondary priority.
@lawrencetaylor4101
@lawrencetaylor4101 4 жыл бұрын
That's been the goal for over 10 years. I've been following them for over 10 years, always was a priority.
@Sarge084
@Sarge084 4 жыл бұрын
It would certainly help if there was an industry standard, or maybe an ISO standard, generic battery pack that volume car manufacturers could use. It might also help niche car makers if generic battery packs were available from several manufacturers offering choice and competition to lower prices. Recycling would be a lot easier if there were fewer battery pack designs too.
@biskero
@biskero 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sarge084 totally agree, I think it will happen.
@caffinemc1
@caffinemc1 4 жыл бұрын
0:28 Love the deer in the background, getting in on the PTC..!! Great video..
@afterburner94
@afterburner94 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing new video hosted by Helen Czerski! What an amazing topic. A quick note about this video in particular however for non-Englosh speakers : I do give an amazing shout-out to the people at Duesenfeld for explaining hard and technical engineering concepts to us in a foreign language. But for other non-English viewers from the rest of the world it is quite hard to grasp their pronunciation, would it be possible to add subtitles to the video others than KZbin auto-generated captioning? It would help me and i'm sure many other appreciate the work done by people at Duesenfeld. Thank you
@orangespill
@orangespill 4 жыл бұрын
I love this presenter. Nice one Robbie!
@alanjrobertson
@alanjrobertson 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic episode, really interesting look into the possibilities for recycling, great interviews and explanations by Helen and the team in Germany 👍
@GetElectricVehicle
@GetElectricVehicle 4 жыл бұрын
Who watches TV shows now!!! Thanks a lot for the great content
@GetElectricVehicle
@GetElectricVehicle 4 жыл бұрын
Another advantage is that we know what fellow guys think of watching the show from the comments!
@davewilliams6172
@davewilliams6172 4 жыл бұрын
Dr C:- "Why isn't battery recycling as common as glass or plastic recycling?" ..... well, with glass recycling you are just remelting it to make more glass (albeit not as pure). You are not breaking the glass down into Silicon Dioxide, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Carbonate plus a string of other components such as Iron, Arsenic and Barium. Shredding batteries is easy....stopping them from going BOOM during the process is a little more difficult! Great video and excellent presentation as always. Keep up the good work.
@user-in1gn6fw2eab
@user-in1gn6fw2eab 4 жыл бұрын
Duesenfeld is a really great company. I hope they continue to grow. I know about them for a few years now, as I am german and they for in the news here a few years ago.
@GeneMacRae
@GeneMacRae 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Helen really nails all the questions in these interviews - every time I was thinking about a new question, she asked it! She's a terrific part of your team Fully Charged
@SquareoftheyearFM
@SquareoftheyearFM 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doc for digging deeper and getting them to give a slightly more detailed response thank it seems they were ready to give.
@koomaj
@koomaj 4 жыл бұрын
This is what we need. Great job Fully Charged & Helen.
@edlakota
@edlakota 4 жыл бұрын
Everything about this is quality. Well done
@chrisnorman1183
@chrisnorman1183 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome quality content as always :) Thank you Fully charged team.
@theianwoodbridge
@theianwoodbridge 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being the only people making this varied, interesting and relevant content.
@Idkhowtofkinread
@Idkhowtofkinread 4 жыл бұрын
Also love all the episodes with Helen, she’s amazing and asks wonderful, thoughtful questions of the interviewees
@francoisdurocher4951
@francoisdurocher4951 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Czersky is a very impressive communicator and interviewer. This document is outstanding in regards to content, form and vulgarization. Simply a great video....
@megawatt6430
@megawatt6430 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent and informative video. Nice to see people who know what they are talking about!
@Neilhuny
@Neilhuny 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Helen Czerski is a great presenter, I've been a fan since she first appeared (so far as I'm aware) in an Horizon program about bubbles, and as others have said, she brings out the best in the interviewees, I particularly like the strong note of optimism at the end re recycling and reducing mining
@EdWood110
@EdWood110 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect video, super interesting and no one else I know of even looked into recycling for batteries yet. I can only imagine how easier it can be in the future when we have solid state batteries made out of more common materials and we hopefully have some sort of norm/DIN design for the batteries so it is not so difficult anymore to recycle everything.
@Idkhowtofkinread
@Idkhowtofkinread 4 жыл бұрын
Fully charged is of the highest quality content and I trust their information far more than mainstream media outlets
@alex0589
@alex0589 4 жыл бұрын
FC has one of the best teams of presenters ever assembled, tv or youtube. Always well shot and well produced. Super appreciated. I very much hope to see more in the future.
@fullychargedshow
@fullychargedshow 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alex, have passed on your kind words to the team. All the best, Fully Charged Dan
@grantpritchard7492
@grantpritchard7492 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Even the fact that they can gain 50% of the needed power to recycle from the residual charge of the batteries is amazing. FullyCharged, whatever you do, hang on to Helen. She is a fantastic presenter and worth everything you pay her. Probably a hell of a lot more.
@fullychargedshow
@fullychargedshow 4 жыл бұрын
We have lots of episodes planned with Helen, she's great! Thanks, Fully Charged Dan
@davidpowell8249
@davidpowell8249 4 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video from Helen, I'm so glad that she was added to the fully charged team.
@johnharvey1786
@johnharvey1786 3 жыл бұрын
The BBC journalist Emma Woollacott should have watched this video before writing the very poor article on the BBC website today. The BBC article also didn’t mention the other uses electric car batteries have once they cannot be used in the car, such as home battery packs that can be linked with solar, which significantly extends the batteries usable life before recycling becomes necessary.
@sadiqmohamed681
@sadiqmohamed681 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. This is the sort of thing Helen does for BBC Science. She is an excellent presenter.
@meeder78
@meeder78 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. This is a nice video to show to people who claim that batteries can't be recycled.
@buellterrier3596
@buellterrier3596 4 жыл бұрын
Remco Meeder I think the more important question is what percentage of the battery can be recycled. For example in the diagram showed, only 32% is recycled by most facilities. Lithium for example is just incinerated.
@Kapalek84
@Kapalek84 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt be surprised if this process will make batteries cheaper eventually. Great vid!
@ravenfeeder1892
@ravenfeeder1892 4 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video from Dr Czerski.
@angel_kosto
@angel_kosto 4 жыл бұрын
One of the most important and informative episodes you have ever made! This video really filled me with hopes for a cleaner future when we talk about batteries. That is what progress is all about! Thank you and I am really looking forward for the next episode about batteries!
@Jackchalm
@Jackchalm 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly scientific and pragmatic. I'm so glad that there's space for material like this that doesn't rely on gimmicks
@adrianharvey3501
@adrianharvey3501 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating story, and what a great presenter Helen is.... Love it!
@acm_1985
@acm_1985 4 жыл бұрын
Helen is such a bright, intelligent, active and attractive Woman ! It is a pleasure to listen to her. And of cause this is a very good, educational Video, will help me to discuss about Battery Recycling. Fun fact: Many guys at Wendeburg Company seemed to be very shy during the interviews, avoiding eye contact with her. Possibly beeing afraid to forget the question and answer ;)
@KiwiShoot
@KiwiShoot 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazingly educational, high production standards and easy to understand. Thank you. Should be compulsory viewing on how to easily educate anyone who thinks batteries can't be recycled.
@superduperawesome6858
@superduperawesome6858 4 жыл бұрын
Watching this and enjoying it - tablet puts up 'battery low' warning light - lol!
@fokkebaarda7239
@fokkebaarda7239 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! In the US, former CTO of Tesla JB Straubel left the company to start a battery recycling startup. And he is of course highly specialised in battery technology. So that adds to the optimism of this fascinating episode.
@f.baarda9898
@f.baarda9898 4 жыл бұрын
The Tesla / Straubel work is very interesting, as they are the largest battery producer (cars and power walls and big energy solutions). Here some details I found in an article in Cleantechnica (5-1-2020, Steve Hanley). The company is named Redwood Materials. Citation from the article: « During Tesla’s 2018 annual shareholders meeting, Straubel told the audience, “Tesla will absolutely recycle, and we do recycle all of our spent cells, modules, and battery packs. So the discussion about is this waste ending up in landfills is not correct. We would not do that, these are valuable materials. In addition, it’s just the right thing to do. We have current partner companies - on every major continent where we have cars operating - that we work with to do this today. “And in addition, we’re developing internally more processes, and we’re doing R&D on how we can improve this recycling process to get more of the active materials back. Ultimately what we want is a closed loop, right at the Gigafactories, that reuses the same, recycled materials.” » It would be very smart (and impressive) if Tesla had its own recycling department in every Gigafactory.Plenty of buildings in Shanghai by now! But Straubel left the company to found a dedicated recycling company, not directly aiming at Tesla. The German company could also be joined by two large players in the US (and possibly Asia) that also strive for maximum recovery and reuse of materials. Apple is on the same trajctory: maximising "mining" from old devices.
@hughmarcus1
@hughmarcus1 4 жыл бұрын
Usually, when something 'looks easy' it's because there's been a load of hard work in the background to perfect a complex process & make it look easy. That there's only one German company doing doing this successfully speaks volumes.
@tarassu
@tarassu 4 жыл бұрын
Thing is battery is still usable when it has 60% of capacity. And even 45%. This will take a lot of time serving grid.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 4 жыл бұрын
Being damaged or burned out is still possible, if you take apart a tesla (battery) to build power walls will commonly leave some cells too degraded to use further.
@darinmiller1916
@darinmiller1916 4 жыл бұрын
Reuse is always a better step than recycle and yes hopefully this can happen in a huge way.
@patreekotime4578
@patreekotime4578 4 жыл бұрын
@@fionafiona1146 right. The OEM can repurpose a pack into a second tier product and send damaged cells to be recycled. There are also always defects in production lines.
@tarassu
@tarassu 4 жыл бұрын
@@fionafiona1146 This shall not be done. Just take the whole battery pack, stack them to the roof, connect. And use. DO NOT DISASSEMBLE. No need for that. It takes time and Tesla's pack doesn't come apart (other EVs do often).
@nickwf70
@nickwf70 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah wear stuff out. Thing is my 20 year old car still drives good as new, no loss of performance or range 😗
@lawrencetaylor4101
@lawrencetaylor4101 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best Fully Charged episodes. What a great presentation, and many thanks to all involved, and yes, even Robert (LOL). You have built up a great team around you. I think this will become easier as we go to more standardization. It was interesting that he said that this recyclability will also have an effect on the quantities of resources needed. I think by investing in Windyday Concept now, we will build batteries, solar panels, etc. After their payback period, they will have over 20 years of giving back to the grid. I think Jacobsen said we could probably get by with replacing about 35% of our current energy levels. But won't this positive feedback mean that the level needed could go down even more? I wrote off to Stanford, and have received no answer. Any ideas?
@Roamor1
@Roamor1 4 жыл бұрын
Really informative and great insight in the process. Thank you.
@MattsPaddock
@MattsPaddock 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, top production, was really waiting for this one in particular! Reminded me of her first appearance in the WMG video 😊
@salipander6570
@salipander6570 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, and a very important topic in the discussion about the environmental footprint of batteries!
@DanSwain
@DanSwain 4 жыл бұрын
This is the equivalent of watching Brian Cox on Space for batteries.. A really great presenter that asks really intelligent and even difficult questions, the level of questioning is so much better than you find on TV.. thank you so much and keep going. Recycling solar panels / wind turbines perhaps?
@douglaslawrie3449
@douglaslawrie3449 4 жыл бұрын
Great in depth video. I’m studying engineering hoping to be involved with something like this one day.
@RealUnimportant
@RealUnimportant 4 жыл бұрын
I love the science, and the information, and the bright view of the future... but what I really want right now is Helen's jumper :D
@swedenevguru8483
@swedenevguru8483 4 жыл бұрын
Best production i seen so far and very usable to share a updated process about recycling Bev batterys. Content was easy to understand and good facts. :-)
@watcher24601
@watcher24601 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see Helen Czerski presenting again, raising the bar for Fully Charged with lots of facts and intelligent questions without the need for rants or japes. Interesting that end of life batteries still have enough energy remaining to provide a significant proportion of the energy required to recycle them.
@BobQuigley
@BobQuigley 4 жыл бұрын
keep in mind we currently manufacture 1.5 billion cell phones per year. in addition battery powered tools, medical devices, etccetc etc use billions of batteries per year. Add the billions and billions of all disposable batteries many of which are lithium. Most of these have been going into landfills for DECADES. An UPside of what this company is trying to do is it's laying the groundwork for ALL battery recycling
@NC-1966
@NC-1966 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed! Let’s see the facility where all the Xbox’s / TVs/ laptops/ PCs are perfectly recycled for amazing profits...oh wait that’s not happening at all...at least this is a progressive technology.
@RoyPounsford
@RoyPounsford 4 жыл бұрын
This presentation is a typical of the very good work of Helen - a credit to the "FullyChargedShow"
@Christopherfife
@Christopherfife 4 жыл бұрын
Another wonderful piece from FullyCharged! Your scientific background is on full display here Helen as you know how to ask the important questions. Keep up the great work :)
@estherinwood3413
@estherinwood3413 4 жыл бұрын
This tech is awesome! keep going with it. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
@ewanmacgregor6186
@ewanmacgregor6186 4 жыл бұрын
Around 12:10 i think he was about to explain why they dont yet recycle the graphite but Helen went into the next question. It would be interesting to know why they don't yet re cycle the graphite
@Wookey.
@Wookey. 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that annoyed me. I'm guessing that it's just not worth it from a cost point of view (graphite is cheap, and there is no 'mining tax' to favour recycling over virgin material), but it would be good to know.
@jekader
@jekader 4 жыл бұрын
It's probably not economically viable to recycle it as it's so abundant in nature. Plus it doesn't pollute the environment as it's the base element of life on Earth :)
@Jake12220
@Jake12220 4 жыл бұрын
Yep graphite is both cheap as anything and perfectly good to use as landfill (it's a stable form of carbon). More importantly though is that graphite isn't an element like copper, but an arrangement of carbon atoms in large flat sheets, if you recycled it you would just have a pile of carbon, not graphite and carbon has next to no commercial value in itself.
@patreekotime4578
@patreekotime4578 4 жыл бұрын
Graphite is an extremely common mineral, and is essentially pure carbon in flat sheets in that mineral form. Also, one of the metal salts he mentioned was a carbonate salt, so at least some of the carbon is bonding to that metal in the acid bath.
@ewanmacgregor6186
@ewanmacgregor6186 4 жыл бұрын
I know it's cheap but it's still a resource. If it can be re used it should be. Oil is really cheap just now!!
@ShieldAre
@ShieldAre 4 жыл бұрын
This is very important work. One thing that I would have liked to know more about is about how expensive this recycling is. For example, if all batteries included the cost of this sort of recycling in their price, would it have any significant effect on the price? There are probably important reasons why this isn't done, but another thing I wondered is if could we gather old batteries and instead of recycling them, use them if they can still be made to work even if they are degraded? Could they be connected to create batteries for the needs of the electric grid, which will need more battery capacity as the share of renewable energy grows? I suppose they are too just degraded to be safe or economical to be used in such a way, but if this was possible, they could instead be used until all utility has been gotten out of them, and only then recycled.
@nickbaker4857
@nickbaker4857 4 жыл бұрын
@@Reprint001 Yes but if all that ICE car companies and users complain about is the human and environmental cost of mining and refining the components then surely recycling is a better idea.
@TL-xv9of
@TL-xv9of 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see that such companies are getting founded. This ia also a learning curve which will impact battery design in the future to make the easier to recycle. I really like the idea to have an almost closed life cycle loop in the industrie as this makes total sense. Very good job to tell this sort of stories too. Fully charged is about the whole picture! Who else is reminded of Daniel Duesentrieb (german name of Walt Disneys Gyro Gearloose) when they hear the companies name? 😄
@miguelribeiro5165
@miguelribeiro5165 4 жыл бұрын
The recycle of batteries is so underrated. This process is so important for a sustainable future
@timjohnson67
@timjohnson67 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative piece, Dr Czerski explains tricky stuff in a very clear and interesting way. I hope we hear much more from her on Fully Charged.
@ddw9415
@ddw9415 4 жыл бұрын
And less of Ms Moate and other "presenter/ette"s..
@tec4303
@tec4303 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this episode! I feel like all my questions where answerd and I understand battery recycling a little bit better now.
@rextilian
@rextilian 4 жыл бұрын
one of the best presenters on youtube. keep the content coming, thank you.
@DominicDSouza
@DominicDSouza 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great insight to the world of recycling batteries. Very informative. Perhaps it can also be noted that once a battery pack has come to "end of life" in a vehicle, it can also be used for purposes such as storage (power walls etc). That means there is a step before the need to fully recycle and just adds to the overall case for going electric.
@nailujk1
@nailujk1 4 жыл бұрын
"Humanity has created a new kind of ore. A synthetic ore".. Thats a wonderful thinking framework to approach the problem with. Fantastic video!
@GeordiLaForgery
@GeordiLaForgery 4 жыл бұрын
Fasinating thanks Helen. If I had the cash I'd open a plant in the UK, seems straightforward except for seperating the metals in the acid solution, if only I didn't bunk chemistry back in the day. 🖖
@andrewrance
@andrewrance 3 жыл бұрын
My goodness Helen beautiful EV nerds really make my knees weak. The question I was waiting for and may have been more for the owners of the company... what would the duesenfeld team ask of manufactures of new batteries to do more of or less of to make their job easier. Also would be a great stimulant to get a huge crowdfunded prize together or do some pre sales for the first Tesla running 100% recycled batteries...
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