YMS talks about The Last of Us HBO

[@YMS]

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[@jessetorres8738]

I have played The Last Of Us Part 1 at least a dozen times, & I can say that this show is the best videogame adaptation ever! It does what any good adaptation should do; be mostly loyal to the original source material, but change just enough so there's something new yet still enjoyable to watch. For example, about 80% of what we see in the 1st 3 episodes is from the 1st few levels of the game, but the remaining 20% is things like expanded backstory & more development for certain characters we didn't originally get. Here's hoping Season 2 is as good & faithful when they adapt Part 2.

[@AimaCox-Zucker]

YMS just telling homophobes they need to work on themselves 😂 Thank you for this!

[@AlexGreat87]

Hey Adam, to help you a little with the pronunciation (dunno if you are gonna read this message), it's Gustavo "Santaolaja" (think of the "j" as in "jaws" or "jealous"); he is Argentinian, we tend to pronounce the "ll" or double l's as "j" (different pronuciation than "standard" Spanish)

[@ir7874]

@YourMovieSucksDOTorg please review season 3 of the walking dead now. I want to see you put yourself through it again

[@kiamventer4456]

Why did you like your own comment?

[@TheSonicBros1]

It’s good whenever adam is being super positive in a review and you can hear the joy in his voice talking about his favorite bits from the show

[@zeebooboo9663]

It's so relieving to hear honestly. Rather than his usual tone

[@cheeez9438]

It is good I wanna hug him :)

[@iknowthisone6844]

yeah his old smartass reviews are worthless

[@mordirit8727]

It's why I go back to his Synechdoche New York videos so much; he's all shaped up to be this dude who trashes movies relentlessly, and sometimes it's nice to remember he does that because movies are usually such incredible pieces of shit. Whenever someone gets their act together and actually produces something with some talent, effort and art to it, he loves it and it's great to see.

[@kiamventer4456]

​@@KE-yq2eg yup, and episode 3 sucked, it ruined all sense of subtlety and made being gay the only character trait bill had, he was so much more. The show ruined alot

[@liam6157]

Love that the main characters from the game got to play a role in the show. Joel played James, Ellie played Ellie’s mom, Marlene played Marlene, Abby played no-name nurse, and this one took me a while to find out but Tommy played the man with the beautiful beard who got domed by the big zomboy. Loved it

[@xystem4701]

I didn't know that! so cool that they all got some places in the show

[@rubbish_kat]

And they managed to do it without any of them feeling forced or like shoe horned in cameos

[@2intheampm512]

​@@rubbish_katAshley Johnson took me out a little bit (Anna) just because I'm so familiar with her voicing Ellie, at the start of the episode especially though I didn't really mind after that. I was like holy shit when did Bella Ramsey get so good at imitating Ashley lol

[@BananaGuy3334]

Speaking of brokeback mountain, Gustavo Santaolalla (composer for tlou) won an Oscar for his score on that movie.

[@oldflowers1342]

Oh my fucking god in a way EP3 really was like Brokeback Mountain. 😭😭😭😆😆😆

[@turtletank4784]

​@@oldflowers1342No it wasn't

[@oldflowers1342]

@@turtletank4784 Sure, Jan.

[@turtletank4784]

@@oldflowers1342 What narrative similarities are there between this episode and Brokeback Mountain?

[@oldflowers1342]

@@turtletank4784 You're responding to a comment from 7 months ago, I'm not entertaining your pedantry. Go to bed.

[@Anacronian]

My biggest complaint about the show is that I think it should have been longer, 12 episodes would have fit the story better in my opinion, with the 9 we got it feels like the story gets too compact at the end and the show never really show the moment when Joel really starts to care for Ellie, it just happens out of the blue.

[@Unherist]

Agree 100% Also iirc it was one of the thing that people criticized about episode 3 : the show is already kinda short and you're waisting time with side characters. I disagree as I loved the episode but I get it. Although the homophobia of some was blatant, let's not kid ourselves. And btw, I ended up disliking the show overall, mostly because of the lack of chemistry between Joel and Ellie (I never bought Ramsey as Ellie), so I guess this little side step with Nick Offerman, whom I adore, was perfect for me.

[@samuelgeaney7556]

Stop using homophobia as a crutch for criticism. It really just wasn't an interesting episode.

[@Unherist]

@@samuelgeaney7556 1. That's only your opinion. 2. I said "the homophobia OF SOME", acknowledging the fact that others had, indeed, legitimate issues with the episode. That is precisely what I started my comment with. 3. Go back and read some comments when the episode first aired maybe? When the main issue of some people is that they saw two men in bed together, yes, we can talk about homophobia.

[@TOAOM123]

​@@Unherist It was a pointless episode that did nothing to merit its inclusion in the series and only bogged down the pacing Fans of the game could also point to how it was a slap in the face to how the same content was treated vs its adaptation It was a bad episode

[@hitskwaad]

​@@TOAOM123 writers, directors, actors, showrunners, setpiece designers, FX artists and an army of HBO number crunchers all came to the correct conclusion that the kind of person whose media literacy is weaker than their weird hangups about certain types of person is not worth catering to. They ignored you, and the show benefitted from it.

[@NonCrazyNorGamer]

Is it me or yms is awfully nice in this video? like even when he critisize he sounds like a happy person lol. I like this energy more though

[@LadyFinger_]

I think him recording videos during a livestream changes his tone

[@RetroFan2.0]

His best tone change I’ve seen was in his hellraiser review, showing really great appreciation for some of the writing they done for the main character.

[@MothsAreTheBest]

The Last of Us is just THAT good

[@scrambo6182]

When you like something, critcising it is way less stressful and more low-stakes. You don't feel this blanket of negativity where you don't feel like your criticisms have to come together to make a cogent thesis of "this thing sucks because of all these problems".

[@MattJP_]

Well because normally he doesn't really like what he's criticising. But he actually likes The Last of Us so the tone is different.

[@arthurramazanov666]

I found that Tess and Joel arriving to find that Robert was already dead - in the first episode kinda robbed Tess of a bit of ruthlessness - how she shot Robert in the face with no hesitation or emotion in the game...But in the Movie she just tells Ellie "we're bad people" kinda didn't feel like it hit in the same way - I didn't buy it as much. I dunno if you felt the same way?

[@ldallas8315]

Ditto, I wish they had retained more of Tess’ hardhearted violent side. It really made her and Joel feel like two of a kind. And seeing her go from no bullshit ruthlessness to desperately seeking a little redemption was a really tragic and compelling way to set Joel and Ellie on their journey. I still liked the show’s version but it didn’t carry the same weight regarding Tess’ guilt and regret about who she was in life.

[@Stiasteny]

100% agree. She didn’t seem as tough and it felt like she had to make up for it by swearing twice as much 😕 (Spoiler) It felt so out of character when Tess stood still and got ‘infected’ by that super slow moving infected. I imagined her to have screamed on the top of her lungs, and that she’d stayed screaming to help Joel and Ellie as long as possible to make sure they were safe. Or at least to struggle when one infected came up to her. It made the infected seem less scary.

[@Crow-qm7zw]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but Tess in the show was kinda awful for me. The way she was written to be way, way, way more vulnerable than her video game self who was already vulnerable in ways but still such a badass and capable character. The actress with her fake raspy voice who would deliver some of her lines while slipping back to her Australian accent which was comical. Whatever the hell they decided to do with her in those last moments with the infected which was just odd as all hell. The show kinda just butchered Tess for me, who was one of my favorite characters from the game despite her relatively short screentime. Hell, she's one of my all time favorite female characters in any game ever.

[@11274reece]

The problem with the show and the second game is that the two writers who used to contribute the most to ND's narrative driven games, weren't with ND anymore. Neil Cuckman took over and got rid of them. If you read into what his ideas for the first game were, and how the other two writers had to keep the idiot on a leash you quickly realise, Neil Drukman didn't actually make TLOU.

[@eradicatedpulse6896]

“It’s fine” -Rich Evans-

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

I had never considered Nick Offerman as a good actor before this show. I've always seen him in sitcoms where he is just himself but in this show my mind was blown by the vulnerability he showed. Would love to see him get more roles where he can actually shine like this

[@silentninjat]

I thought he was good in Devs

[@Nofixdahdress]

He was very good in Devs.

[@ComfortableTool86]

I liked that episode but it felt pretty rushed to me

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

@@silentninjat I'll check it out!

[@schmucknorris2672]

Then you consume media like an idiot. Offerman is a great actor.

[@inateinate]

Left Behind in the game had context behind it, at least. You were playing Ellie's flashbacks of her initial infection, but also her in the between of Joel falling off the horse and suddenly being in the suburb. There was a duality to her trying to save Joel, a person she loved, and her thinking back to the last person she loved, although a bit differently, and the fact that she failed to protect them. In the show, we didn't really get that dynamic.

[@tiny_spencer45]

I love how at the end of the first episode Joel picks up the soldier's weapon. Just because in the videogame you wouldn't expect to obtain such strong gun right at the beginning, but it's a TV show, so it's more realistic this way

[@codethrasher]

One _tiny_ nitpick, Adam. Dogs can growl without "looking like" they're growling. Otherwise, FANTASTIC review. Love 'em.

[@pedroadolfo]

I came here to say this as well. My dog does that closed mouth growling thing all the time

[@nicerock5506]

ironic since he mentioned media warping one’s perception of reality with the fire scene

[@GuiiBrazil]

I was looking for your comment. Adam maybe never had a dog. lol

[@nw4827]

It makes me wonder how many nitpicks people have of media are based on their assumptions and not even true lol

[@25acpunderrated71]

@@GuiiBrazil probably for the best, lol

[@bloodyraptor6251]

I like how Joel in the show aquires a different gun every episode.

[@Blerwerler]

That's an easter egg references how Naughty Dog views its' animators.

[@viljamtheninja]

@@Blerwerler Has anyone actually said that or is that just a very generous interpretation?

[@marcoescobar447]

@@Blerwerler is it not just an allusion to players switching their gun out in a video game ? 😂

[@tenki_]

it's just a nice touch, shows that the people who made the show get the game

[@deeznutz8320]

@@Blerwerler Sounds like a copout lol

[@ev2790]

i interpreted the flashback happening in episode 7 as being done to show ellie being triggered by potentially losing another person that she loves. but i also understand your critique of it!

[@PseudoX187]

I saw this in the same way. In the game during this time Ellie was on her own searching for supplies to help Joel and having to face some men. I think this episode would have benefited from some version of that being in it, going back and forth between the flashback and the present.

[@habadasheryjones]

Episode 3 is the best isolated episode of television in awhile. The writing, Nick Offerman, and gorgeous way they ended on the curtains like the game's menu screen.

[@vjara94]

I wish the episode would be more connected to the main plot, but yeah, is a great episode, I totally would see a show just about them, upgrading the house collecting resources, farming.., a slice of live zombie apocalypse

[@justinianthe1st790]

If it were a movie, it would be in my top 10 favorite movies ever. Its was so damn good.

[@crazyinsane500]

@@justinianthe1st790 It's a shame Craig Mazin acted like people had to be "tricked" into watching a gay romance, especially on HBO Max. I don't think I'm alone in saying I'd have liked to see Bill and Frank be part of the main cast instead of buried like this was a very special episode.

[@kiamventer4456]

Objectively worst episode, they ruined any sense of subtlety the game had

[@HOVNA]

I'm probably biased because by coincidence, episode 3 was the first episode I saw and was speechless. Then ... i got disappointed by the rest of the story. That episode is done so well I expected the rest of the show to follow. And sadly it was just ok.

[@dfmrcv862]

Honestly, my biggest criticism of episode 3 has more to do with the fact that it ultimately didn't add much to the overall plot except *some* characterization. I think that was the issue with some later episodes, where some of the stuff we had earlier didn't amount to much of anything. Like, thematically, Bill's guardedness and his opening up to live was something that could be mirrored to Joel's character arc, but the series goes in a different direction to explore the "dark side" of love. I think the issue I had is that there are some great scenes that are well shot and acted, but the show seems to have a balancing issue with its plot and its characterization. Ellie's flashback episode gave us a fair bit of context as to who she is, but I feel it could have been shortened and allowed for either development of other aspects of the world or story. Same for this episode. Though to be fair, I'm not sure how I would do it differently as I also tend to struggle with characterization and plot progression at times.

[@jennifermckinney5053]

THIS! I've been saying this for a while. I LOVED episode 3 and cried like a baby, but it was just too long compared to the rushed feeling of the rest of the show.

[@theaizere]

it plays into the theme of “it’s always worth it to keep goin” and the importance of human connections and relations, also inspire and show the younger joe a new way to be born again and live etc the series doesn’t only explore dark sides of love, a great story is multifaceted and nuanced. the point of last of us even as a game isn’t to get through the plot as quickly as possible. ellie’s flashback cleared the behaviours from before and it didn’t seem long at all, i do not see any scenes which could be cut to shorten it but perhaps that’s on me. i am actually curious as to which “other aspects of the story” would you have favoured you can look up on youtube as to why episode 3 progresses the last of us very much so, i remember watching them back when i wasn’t sure if i should watch the show in general (huge and old fan of the game) and those analyses swayed me.

[@dfmrcv862]

@@theaizere Again, it's not that these episodes aren't well shot or acted, just... they kinda add very little or nothing at all to the main plot. Maybe thematically they do to an extent, but the overall picture is lessened when you sit down to discuss the actual story. For example, I think a very interesting bit can be seen in Ellie's interactions with Riley. Riley sees the remnant of the US government as "fascists" that starve the people and Ellie points out that the Fireflies aren't really helping anyone because they blow food supplies up. Riley kinda stops the conversation right there by expressing annoyance with Ellie, and instead, they go on into the mall to goof around. Good for characterization, sure, but... instead of adding to the grayness of things, most of the Left Behind episode is about Riley and Ellie goofing around. It's not *bad* but what does it add to the plot? At first I thought this was set up to show how gray things are in the world so when Joel kills the Fireflies later on there's a heavier weight to it, but... no. As you said, it shows us Ellie's behavior and attitude and how she discovered she was immune, but very little else comes from it. Did we need the entirety of the episode dedicated to that while we could've set up the cannibals a bit better? Did we need the chat about how Riley sees FEDRA as fascists when that never comes up again since neither FEDRA nor the motivations of the fireflies are brought up after this? A lot of this kind of applies to episode 3, though at least that one works more for theme, but it adds very little. Same for some of the flashbacks. Basically, it's story details that go nowhere. Did we need the opening scene of episode 2 to be where the virus was discovered? It didn't really add anything to the plot except by cementing that a vaccine is impossible, but then the show acts as if the Fireflies could still make a vaccine without adding an explanation as to how. Imagine if we cut some of the flashback in episode 3 and instead focused on how the Fireflies were trying to make a vaccine, what did they discover that convinced them they could. Then the flashback in episode 2 at least adds something as suddenly the fireflies have done what scientists in 2003 with all their logistics and tech could not. But we don't get that and all that flashback does to the main plot is hang the idea in front of you that a vaccine is impossible. Presumably this was not the intention as in interviews Druckman stated that this episode *was* supposed to be about the darker side to love, as Joel would've slaughtered the Fireflies to save Ellie regardless of a vaccine or not, but at the same time the show almost implies Joel is even more correct here than in the game because with what we have seen the idea that a vaccine is impossible and that the Fireflies may be worse is all but established and nothing was done to push against it. Ask yourself what good thing does the show mention the fireflies are doing? They're hiring kids to carry out bombings, Ellie notes they purposefully blew up food storage facilities to try and push for revolution all while FEDRA, for all its faults, has maintained some level of order and when we do see an uprising in the show overthrow FEDRA the results are even worse. Basically, we get set up for elements of the show that didn't go anywhere, and as I said, that's my biggest criticism of the show. Which sucks, because The Last of Us has some pretty bad world building in the games that could use some expanding on, and the show looked like it would do that... but it kinda gave up, I guess?

[@markyonline1]

I think that show had a strong start, but as it went, I would catch myself often comparing it to the game (which simply did most of the things better). It also took me some time to get used to this version of Ellie. All in all, I feel I would have enjoyed the show better if I didn't play the game, because I was really having trouble disconnecting one from another.

[@xragdoll5662]

Same, even Henry and Sam were so OOC I couldn’t handle it. It’s such a beloved game and it seemed to me they were lazy with the writing, not even much action. Killing frank off just to fit the LGBT agenda (what purpose does that serve killing him off, I don’t care about the sexuality, some people think it was implied in the game so I don’t care) and deciding to do a biiiiig explosion with millions of zombies and one bloater like wtf lol. Shows often do this with adaptation; strong start and then they deviate a way. They show full naked bodies in many HBO shows but showing Joel killing people is too much? Ugh, I can’t 🙈🙈🙈🙈 maybe it’s because I’ve played the game six times before the show even got announced 😂😂

[@celinesantoro791]

Its funny, the 3rd episode started with me not caring and being like "can we get back to the story" and by the end of it, that window being open felt like such a punch to the gut. They did a great job showing their relationship evolving and making me care about them and moreover, what they MEANT to eachother.

[@jessetorres8738]

19:26. Not even 2 weeks earlier, Kathleen's Militia killed all of the FEDRA in Kansas City for the freedom of the people. But, her quest for revenge against Henry for getting her brother killed resulted in her, Perry, & most of her militia getting killed by the Horde of Infected. So, now there's hardly anyone left to defend the city as the Horde makes its way towards it. Seems like a good example to foreshadow what might come in Season 2.

[@4203105]

Nick Offerman is better getting an Emmy for that performance. Otherwise I'm going to flip some tables.

[@emhullum4120]

great acting in a pointless episode irrelevant to the plot

[@elen5871]

​@@emhullum4120 plot? I mean _maybe._ characterization? it added absolutely loads of characterization, including for Joel. and character and plot are pretty hard to untangle. Joel's brief appearance is so good! such a weird episode to call pointless IMO.

[@jennifermckinney5053]

@@elen5871 I think the only way I could say it was pointless is that with the episodes available and the fact that every episode after 3 just felt rushed, badly put together or poorly planned. Episode 3 had an incredibly slow pacing and technically in the grand scheme of the story could've been skipped. I loved the episode, but IMO it could've been cut a few minutes shorter to give more time to the main duo. Honestly, I wish they did more episodes and had more like episode 3. If they had a better baddie then Kathleen, better writing with Kathleen, then I could easily go with a flashback of their life experiences to really flesh out the world and show the horrors as opposed to 3.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

@@elen5871it’s easy to call the episode pointless because I watched it. The acting was fine, but the plot sucked.

[@elen5871]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon easy to call it pointless because you don't actually understand how plot and characterization intertwine* gotcha

[@samcanick591]

on the other hand i loved episode 9's length. it was straight to the point and the fact that it ended "early" gave me time afterwards (as someone who didn't know the story) to think about what happened

[@videovoidtv]

I watched a lot of reaction videos to Ep. 3. Even the most gangster ass, monosyllabic cavemen I saw were crying. They had a weird reflex when they realized they were gay. But most of them got over the uncomfortableness they had and thought it was beautiful. I think the love that episode got actually says a lot for how far we’ve come.

[@kiamventer4456]

No, they ruined the subtlety of the whole episode by throwing it in the viewers face, the game did it so much better

[@videovoidtv]

@@kiamventer4456 Strong disagree.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

@@videovoidtvwell I disagree with your dissagree.

[@futurefruit8281]

​@@kiamventer4456 *show depicts a gay love story like good it would depict any love story* you: "stop shoving it in my face and get back in the closet where you belong!"

[@hitskwaad]

​@kiamventer4456 writers, directors, actors, showrunners, setpiece designers, FX artists and an army of HBO number crunchers all came to the correct conclusion that the kind of person whose media literacy is weaker than their weird hangups about certain types of person is not worth catering to. They ignored you, and the show benefitted from it.

[@daisyw4348]

It was good to see the voice actors of the game as characters in the show

[@JagIsOnline]

Unexpected crossover with that 'get Druckmannised' line.

[@chelscara]

Right? Just "huh? Adum knows the positive optimist reviewer?"

[@majorscenery1394]

So 'the skinny guy' in episode 3 was played by Australian actor Murray Bartlett, who won an Emmy for his performance in the first season of The White Lotus. Hope he gets more roles in the future

[@MilleniumRoci]

Fun fact: Bartlett can sing and play the piano really well and had to learn how to sing and play the piano terribly for that scene.

[@majorscenery1394]

@@MilleniumRoci That is a fun fact!

[@hagnak]

The episode 3 hit me so hard, I couldn't stop thinking about it for days after watching. And you said it all, it's because it felt so real and genuine, seeing real love and happinnes in the hell that the world has become. I connected with the characters in such a level that I can't remember the last time it happened to me in a TV show

[@sicalas]

My dad has cried very few times… episode three was one of them.. the whole family was speechless after

[@justin9744]

I do not believe you.

[@samuelgeaney7556]

​@@justin9744Yeah the way people suck episode 3 off seems very forced and people are just scared to be labelled homophobic for criticising it.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

@@samuelgeaney7556for real. The number of people absolutely fellating The show for that episode is just setting off red flags all over my mind. Maybe it’s my highly attuned gaydar and being able to recognize when people are trying hard to pander to me.. ‘look, there’s gay! You like this right? There’s is gay here! Gay!” I hate it. That and all the plot holes and cheesy tea party nonsense just gave me ‘Ellie’s Lesbo love shack” vibes from the second game.. But no, because I like blokes, I’m supposed to just fawn over the episode as though I’ve been blessed by Jesus or something… Pass.

[@hitskwaad]

​@@samuelgeaney7556writers, directors, actors, showrunners, setpiece designers, FX artists and an army of HBO number crunchers all came to the correct conclusion that the kind of person whose media literacy is weaker than their weird hangups about certain types of person is not worth catering to. They ignored you, and the show benefitted from it.

[@danielvickery1233]

I didn't notice the dog not growling on first viewing, but now that you pointed it out, I can't unsee it.

[@couching5000]

bro those sound effects at the end when he was blasting the guys in the hospital 😂

[@adammason4314]

Cliched as it may sound but one of my fiance best friends worked as a prop master/set design. It was really cool to see his designs and eventual prop work. Buddy, worked on this, the exclusive muppets show and even a bit.... on that misconceived R.E. netflix bomb.

[@mynameisviktorreznov]

It’s so weird hearing you saying you love a story I had to do a double take and check if I was on the right channel 😂

[@filmneuro]

Glad you enjoyed the show. Hopefully more studios take the reception as a sign to produce high quality video game adaptations.

[@yahhah3027]

Please no, there's going to be a lot of good stuff sure, but it will kick off a trend where so many good games' reputations are going to be smeared by endless shitty adaptations.

[@sonicfreak04]

There are aspects to the show that I feel the game did much better, spoiler for episode 8 When Ellie kills David and runs into Joel after walking away. I felt it was more impactful in the game where Joel finds Ellie chopping up David and stops her, and tries to calm her down Ellie snaps out of it, realizes what she had done, then hugs Joel felt much more impactful in the game plus the music really packed more of a punch.

[@Deluxedracula]

Your analysis (and response to the haters) of episode 3 was perfect and awesome, thank you!!!

[@kierank2505]

20:10. "Threat growling can be very subtle to the untrained eye. It may be at low volume accompanied by a closed mouth, dilated pupils, stiff body language and no breathing. Owners often don't recognize a threat unless it comes in high volume and a ferocious looking snarl"

[@SuperCrazyEstonian]

I made the mistake of watching the "game movie" on youtube before the show came out and it´s so much better than the show. The acting, the dialogue, the action: it´s all significantly better than whats in the show.

[@elsa_g]

What is the “game movie”? Is it just clipped together cutscenes/cinematics?

[@SaberRexZealot]

@@elsa_gbasically

[@cclione777]

It's not a mistake, the show is a mistake.

[@omnaik1217]

Overall the game is slightly better for me

[@Adrian-uq4yb]

Same, but I appreciate that they changed aspects of the show even if I didn’t like every change. Made it enjoyable for the people who already knew what was coming.

[@anony-mousse8487]

I think so too! Its a very good series. The game has a little bit more going for it but the show changed stuff that made complete sense to be changed because a show or movie is something you have to FEEL, you cant experience it interactively except with your emotions

[@pablohenriquez1984]

30:08 that came out of nowhere 😂

[@mantasa0000]

As a lover of the first game as well, I had to give the show a go. Had to hop off again after the first big scene cause it was done nowhere near as well as the game. Felt like everything was gonna be the same but with less impact.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Good choice. The show sucked.

[@follower9698]

Translating media is always bound to have problems, but I think everyone who worked on the show did a pretty good job with it.

[@someguythatdoesstuff7658]

Very interesting to see how fans of the original think of this show since the show was actually the gateway of the story for me.

[@finkwood]

I will say that the game is worth every second. If you have a PS3, PS4, or PS5, it is worth a look. My girlfriend cried her eyes out and I may have had an allergic reaction in my eyes.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

If you like the game, pass on the show.

[@arctic1915]

I think for the scene in the burning building, to make it more tense and less rushed they could have filled the room up with smoke and have Ellie crawl around trying to escape David through the thick black blaze and have everything else play out the same but have some tense moments where Ellie could maybe have to hold in a cough from the smoke. could have fixed both the problems with one cool unique design element.

[@PenTheMighty]

My only beef with the show was how they treated guns. Joel is a Latino dad, with a biracial daughter, in TEXAS! There is no way in hell such a man wouldn't own a gun. Joel isn't a "gun nut" but he did have a revolver for just in case situations in the game and this was cut out of the tv-show but, he still somehow ends up with the same revolver off-screen. Yet, they felt the need to show off Ellie's knife at least once an episode? Constantly reminding us of how important it is to her, to the point that the thing was involved in her birth. There was also that bizarre bit where Joel ditches the M-4 because he doubted they'd be able to find ammo for it, which is stupid because then why is FEDRA using them!? Roughly 1 in 20 Americans currently own AR-15s (which use the same ammo) and it's literally one of the most common firearms you can find in the US. With so many people dying so quickly during the initial outbreak, there'd be plenty of them and plenty of ammo. They are also pretty easy to repair, even with just basic tool knowledge. There was no reason for Joel to ditch it. And let's not forget he was on his way to Bill and Frank's place, so he knows there'd be tons of ammunition available for it! It makes no sense! And let's not forget Bill running outside in shorts with a bolt action when he most likely had fully automatic weapons. He was a prepper and there was no ATF or NFA around, so why wouldn't he be using something better suited to dealing with numerous shooters? Not to mention him not having a sniper's nest or shooting from the roof or a window of his two story house? Nope, he's engaging multiple shooters while making himself as visible as humanely possible. All he had to do was wake Frank up and tell him to hunker down in the basement, while he took potshots at the guys (less than half a dozen of them, easy if Bill is a decent marksman). And Joel not getting hit once during the final shootout was off-putting as well, even if I do enjoy the scene from a narrative/music standpoint. Joel is a badass but one man taking on over a dozen armed and trained soldiers is just stretching disbelief if you're going for realism. Joel's advantage was his experience and stealth, so you could have gotten the same results with him stalking the soldiers through the building, with some occasional shooting. It was just so weird with the way the show treated firearms and shooting, it took me out of it at times. EDIT: And the more I thought about it, the more I realized that only bad guys carry AR-15's or M-4's in the show. To such a degree that it actually jives with the narrative of the story (for the show). Joel is a "bad guy" because he uses one in the first two episodes and in the last one. Joel's positive moments are all when he doesn't have one. It's like when he has one, he turns into a monster and so do the other characters.

[@magical-soap5359]

Yes just seeing that scene here got me wondering how Joel wouldn't get hurt not even once while taking down ALL THOSE SOLDIERS 😭

[@awesomebillfromdawsomevill7788]

I went into this blind as I never played the games and absolutely loved 1-3. I think you said it well, my expectations were too high after those. I still enjoyed the show as a whole though

[@kiamventer4456]

3, really?

[@awesomebillfromdawsomevill7788]

@@kiamventer4456 yes I found myself enjoying the character development as well as Nick offermans performance. What did you not like about it?

[@JC21]

14:33 THANK YOU, this was my one main issue with the episode too. I even began to write this comment to say that including it just felt like cheating before you said it yourself. Loved Murray Bartlett's expression at 13:20 as well.

[@MAACotton]

Episode 3 is like Broke Back Mountain in that it is almost it's own standalone movie. I was quite taken with this episode and it solidified the series for me. I can't believe a television show took me for such a ride

[@jonbaxter2254]

Man, the Arrival song is so perfect for that film, but it is a bit overused in other media because it's so sad.

[@FiredNine]

The third episode really encapsulates the "paradise lost" element. It's the last bastian of human civilization. They had a farm, hot showers, electricity, etc.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

It clashed with the rest of the world building of the show, in a very bad way…

[@hitskwaad]

​@@Beuwen_The_Dragonwriters, directors, actors, showrunners, setpiece designers, FX artists and an army of HBO number crunchers all came to the correct conclusion that the kind of person whose media literacy is weaker than their weird hangups about certain types of person is not worth catering to. They ignored you, and the show benefitted from it.

[@bryansnaylor]

Curious to know if Adam watched any of the behind the scenes stuff that plays after each episode that gives some background as to why some of the decisions were made.

[@RedJay]

Agree with you on TLOU 1 is a masterpiece and the show had some tastes of that in an accessible format I could share with friends. Sucks to hear about the copy headaches.

[@Cr00kedCreation]

Episode 3 turned my lifelong homophobic father into loving ANY relationship. He told me "love is love, i don't hate it anymore" and i'm grateful every day for that

[@SaberRexZealot]

Wow, I hope that lasts

[@JK8]

troll

[@yahhah3027]

Did everyone clap?

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

And everybody clapped, even the quadruple amputee Denis.

[@April_idk]

I'm surprised he wasn't more annoyed with the Ellie x Joel relationship. Just Ellie overall was an endearing character that grows so much in the game... but the show did her dirty. And I will be sad about that the rest of my life.

[@enriqueserrano36]

This review is like brokeback mountain :/

[@ComfortableTool86]

As someone who didn't play the games, i thought the show was good but nowhere near the hype. I'd give it a light 7/10. Some parts really dragged for me. Ep 3 was very good but felt rushed. A lot of the emotions and character traits felt like the show was telling me rather than showing me.

[@shadquirk607]

The show was incredibly average. As a stand alone production it was ok, but only ok. As an adaptation it's pretty bad, there is no tension at all, and that means there's very little real growth. The acting was mostly really good, but the characters were changed so much that it makes it difficult to judge whether or not Pedro is a good Joel. He did a great job as show Joel but he didn't have the menace, anger or depth that game Joel had at all. BUT game Joel might not of worked with this specific story. Just not into it

[@jacobdean7128]

I think episode 3 was really good. Incredible even. I just think having it as a oneshot made more sense. I'm not entirely convinced it was necessary for Joel's story, at least not the whole episode. I think a lot of the game boiled down to a character drama about Joel and dedicating so much time to something else, even though I got it (Bill and Frank's story is Joel and Ellie's in a lot of ways), felt like a lot for a nine episode season.

[@blakeanderson5011]

It makes me want a Children of Men series.

[@AntiVectorTV]

They really turned up the graphics for this one.

[@davidcraig9540]

I don’t think I ever got past episode two. Don’t remember why, immediately forgot the show existed haha

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Probably because it sucked

[@brosephdudeguy]

Imagine having the last episode in the hospital as one long continuous take like the video game. Like Joel is going floor to floor and the he patches himself up or takes an enemies weapon but it has no ammo and he needs ammo, or have fun with the lighting of him hiding in the darkness and emerging from it, shiv someone. I feel like cinematically the last episode was a missed opportunity. Also they didn’t have the emotional chase of Joel holding Ellie and making a dash to the elevator. The first half of the show took its time then they just rushed to the finish line for the ending. Idk. Episode 3 hands down was my favorite only because it was so disconnected from the source material. Also they should have credited Bruce Straley.

[@lesclaypoolonbass9431]

I rewatched the first few episodes on mushrooms with my roommate (I don't do mushrooms often) was so amazing. Looked insane and had this feeling where every person was part of the environment. Also the gay couple episode video had me crying pretty hard by the end at how beautiful it was. Great show.

[@samueldeandrade8535]

Anyone knows of he has a YourGameSucks channel? He should do one. I mean, games follow stories that can be criticised. I wish he does an analysis of Bayonetta 3.

[@flowder8]

Hey adam idk if you'll ever read this but do you feel like you being familiar with the characters from playing the game fills in the gaps of the show's characters? Because i honestly feel like thats the case for me. I dont think the show alone builds up tess, sam/henry and david enough.

[@PseudoX187]

My wife, a non gamer, said pretty much the same thing. "We didn't really spend a lot of time with the main characters and didn't really get to know them that well. So, in retrospect, while good, episodes 3 and 7 are a waste."

[@SamuTT]

1:08 We back in the Baby Zone

[@DeezN00tz99]

13:38 their faces in this episode alone could tell a story, phenomenal acting, so much said without words just by their expressions, especially in the last dinner scene

[@terraomastar]

I agree, and to be honest, I'd have preferred it if it were its own TV Special. As in, I feel like it wasn't appropriate for TLoU. While Adam makes a good point that it shows people can still be happy in the apocalypse, I think that the original story from the game between Frank & Bill fit the universe better. I won't provide spoilers, but it sends the opposite message of what Episode 3 provided, and I think that was integral to the overall story of what TLoU 1 was telling and ties in really well with Joel's decision at the end of the game. The gist is that it was a reflection, and I personally preferred that. So I didn't think it fit with the end of Season 1 either since the general format was the same in terms of events. Oh well, still great television either way.

[@onedeadsaint]

30:09 _Captain America meme_ "I know that reference!"

[@danieldeanhodge]

I think that piece of music in Arrival was originally used in Shutter Island, the DiCaprio film from a few years earlier.

[@AstraVex]

I DON'T think the flashback of Sarah's death at the end of episode one is for the audience to be like "oh yeh, dat happund 😮". I think it was there to show that Joel had been surviving the apocalypse for 20 YEARS and the death of his child still lingers in his mind....

[@SpawnRevenge92]

Straight guy here. Episode 3 was fantastic and left me totally floored. I felt empty for hours, after watching it. I haven't seen a single negative review that didn't feel like some variation of "it has gay people in it and that makes it non-genuine and part of an agenda".

[@jackmccoy6520]

Why did you have a picture of Internet Historian in your video? He's not that old.

[@gamikhan9087]

as someone that didnt play the game nor hear anything about it, the third episode was specially exciting cause I genuinly didnt know at the start if the guy was trying to seduce him, kill him to loot everything he had or if they had a genuine relationship. The more you watch, the more obvious is to see how much they care about each other, and the combined fact that this was the friend sending the messages via the radio and their joint death was so beutiful.

[@aproticferret]

ep3 was their own story. it was never in the game

[@bluewalnutt6859]

Episode 3 was my favourite. I played the game and loved everything that was similar to the game but the one episode that’s not in the game took my breath away. They both felt like real people. It was almost discombobulating when Joel came on screen. Like that’s Pedro pascal acting. While nick was there living his character

[@disc_golfing_with_d]

I wanted more Infected. Thats really my only big issue aside from the pacing at the end

[@Neckbeardlevel]

Last of Us episode 3 and Brokeback Mountain. Both are about an extremely reserved manly man who comes out of his shell when he falls in love with another man over the course of twenty years. They even got the same guy to write the score. Hmmm, suspicious

[@ChunkSchuldinga]

"I found it interesting they changed it from 2013 to 2003..." Liscensing, Adam. It would be weird for Ellie to ask to borrow a DVD instead of a BluRay after 2008, and HBO probably didn't want to pay Sony.

[@Jabadamazo]

Dude episode 3 was so good. Sure it was a bit odd there was almost no Joel/Ellie but as Adam said, the strength of TLOU is the character elements in this ruined world. And this episode absolutely nailed that.

[@thorna100]

I had the exact same feeling about using 'on the nature of daylight' except its from shutter island. Arrival just about got away with using it though it bothered me in that movie as well. When it played again on last of us i coulden't belive it. Didnd't fit the music tone at all and you ahve an incredible composer working for you....

[@Kernwadi]

The less I thought while watching TLOU, the more I enjoyed it, which isn't a compliment, but it can be enjoyable. Some elements were rather good but a lot of them were mediocre or even bad. I know that people don't like comparing this show to the game, but I have to say that the game did almost everything better. Also, episode 3 and the one based on DLC, you can hate me for it, but speaking objectively it was filler. I liked episode 3 subjectively, but that's the only way I can praise it. It's a watchable show, but nothing more.

[@cyrollan]

"get drunkmanized" that was HILARIOUS 😂

[@DylanLCutshall]

The entire series failed for me because I didn’t feel Elie and Joel had as strong of a relationship as they did in the game. Also the entire relationship was very very different from the game.

[@morganbradford131]

Ya episode 3 being controversial makes no sense. I got so much more out of it than the rest of the series and so did everyone I spoke to about it. The internet is a strange place.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

The problem of episode 3 for me isn't that the characters are gay; it is that it's obvious that they completely changed these characters in particular BECAUSE they are gay and thus didn't want to portray them in a bad light. Why replace the original story of a love story that over they years fall apart due to the opposite nature of the characters exacerbated by the extreme conditions they are living in? Bill overzealous cautious nature taken to extreme suffocating the spirit of Frank to the point they act like they hate each other at the tragic end? Why replace all that with the cliche "I am gonna kill myself because I can't fathom to imagine my life without you" saccharine version? Because they are gay and thus can't be portrayed in a bad light in current media. Why not treat gay people like regular people instead of this kids gloves patronizing treatment? THIS is the kind of stiff that drives me nuts. Besides original Bill had some great moments with Ellie that contracted beautifully both of their characters. They had all to be sacrificed on the altar of not-be-offensive -towards-these-particular-grouo-of-people.

[@crazyinsane500]

One reviewer said something that sums up the problem: The problem isn't diversity, it's representation. When a character is made to be representative of a trait they're predominantly presenting, they're not allowed to be a character. They have to represent that trait and a group of people, and so can't have intentional flaws. And yet, at the end of the day, they still buried their gays. So like many examples of representation over diversity, it's a reflection on the author's feelings more than the feelings of the represented group.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

@@crazyinsane500 Yep, great point. Representatiion seems to be an modern eufemism for idealization.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Well said. This and other plot and adaptation issues are why I couldn’t stand the third episode. (Or much of the show in general.)

[@conkghey2511]

BRO I NEVER KNEW THE MUSIC WAS THE SAME AS ALEJANDRO GONZALEZ IÑARRITU IT MAKES SOO MUCH MORE SENSE WITH AMORES PEROS

[@kieranczyzniejewski2178]

My problem with Episode 3 was it did not really feel like a zombie apocalypse story. The characters had easy access to a nice house, clean running water, electricity, food, guns and ammo, and did not have to worry about the zombies. It kinda took away both the Zombies and the Apocalypse. Episode 7 was alot better. Acting was not as good but it felt like an actual Zombie apocalypse story and was the kind of thing I was expecting from a show like "The Last of Us"

[@PlatinumAltaria]

"People were happy in this episode, and I really can't think of any reason to show people being happy in an apocalyptic scenario" god damn I hate general audiences, just shoot me already.

[@kieranczyzniejewski2178]

@@PlatinumAltaria "Anyone who disagrees with my thoughts on anything is automatically wrong and stupid" god damn I hate obsessive fanboys, just shoot me already.

[@crazyinsane500]

Well that's because Episode 3 isn't a zomapo story, it's as Craig Mazin said: An attempt to trick people into watching a gay romance. . . . On HBO Max, which has gay characters in almost every original show, many of whom pursue romantic interests, and quite a few are integral to the plot. It's kinda like being a Suffragette in the middle of a Starbucks.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

@@crazyinsane500 Imagine being scared of gay people xD

[@yahhah3027]

@@PlatinumAltaria "god damn I hate general audiences" okay bro, because you're probably so special and interesting to talk to, and have ascended past being a part of the "general audience". It's also funny to see someone defending optimism and happiness in a show be so bitter.

[@Bfrsgjmvdwwerrfg7]

Liza johnson directed what we do in the shadows! you dont care about what we do in the shadows???

[@blastermaster5009]

Let's be real, we're all jumping to the Episode 3 timestamp first.

[@mariokarter13]

"Why would anyone make the Brokeback Mountain comparison?" Maybe because the episode director admitted the goal was to "trick people into watching a gay romance."

[@jerpusmaximus]

​@@mariokarter13People took a joke and twisted it like he was some moustache twirler lol Same thing with Druckmann saying "we don't make games that are fun".

[@mariokarter13]

@@jerpusmaximus The problem is that the episode itself is a complete non sequitur. The episode based on the Left Behind DLC at least had the excuse that it was Ellie's backstory. Both of the characters in episode 3 are dead before we ever meet them.

[@4203105]

@@mariokarter13 Even if that's true (source please) that still doesn't make it anything like brokeback mountain.

[@4203105]

@@mariokarter13 It's an exploration of the themes of the show. It's an indirect exploration of Joel as he is the same as Bill. It's an exploration of Joel's backstory, as he is in part of the flashbacks. Also Ellie and Joel are in 27 minutes of the episode (Joel more if you count the Flashback), Bill and Frank are in 45 minutes. You act like we never see Ellie and Joel in the episode at all.

[@swagmund_freud6669]

I'm from Alberta where most of the scenes were shot and I gotta say the Last of Us has been a fucking cultural event here everyone I know saw it and loved it and noticed all the places where they were in Alberta and I like that my hometown of Calgary has like a cultural item that has nothing to do with people pretending to be cowboys and is also really good that is all.

[@ThornheartCat]

"Stop treating me like I'm stupid. I'm not a baby, the show's not for babies, stop doing that, please, thank you." I HAD THE EXACT SAME THOUGHT ABOUT THAT SCENE THANK YOU Fully agree, 8/10, very good but not as good as the game (though I am biased, it's one of my favorite games of all time as well). And yeah, as a big fan of Part II I also feel like it in particular HAS to be a game, that it just won't work as well as a show. The way it used the inherent limited perspective of a video game was so masterful (even more than the first game's Winter section) and it just... won't translate. I think it's such a different experience being forced to BECOME a character you hate compared to just being forced to watch them. And there's no way the Ellie/Abby fights will hit as hard. Those hit because you feel like you're fighting yourself, and you don't want to lose, but you also don't want your other self to lose... you don't want any of it to be happening at all, either time! It's SO GOOD!

[@asimplewizard]

Okay the Big Infected was video gamey, but I think it sits at the top of the "good to bad way to do a fun video gamey moment" slider. Sometimes the payoff is so over the top and satisfying its just fun.

[@Colbeagl3]

It was hard for me to keep watching after ep 3 because of how beautiful the ending was.

[@nisem0no]

I agreed with a lot of what was said here. Though I didn't think Ellie was played by a skilled-enough actor. But that was just the vibe I got. The random screaming sounds added when people were shot by Joel in the episode 9 section were very distracting though - I thought they were a part of the bg music track at first.

[@WolframeHDX]

I would have appreciated episode 3 more as a side story in its own separate mini series of side stories than how it was presented imo

[@chadjones1266]

I don't know that it could be a strait couple. The assumptions and power dynamic would be different.

[@naybother]

I found the tv show to be insufferable in comparison to the game, but to each their own

[@cheeez9438]

Thank you so much for adding Master Chief death noises Adum. Seriously thank you

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

i like the game more and i didnt even play it watched all the cutscenes

[@subjektivewahrnehmung3147]

Interesting perspective. I actualy really liked the game-y parts as a homage to the orignal medium. Havent played the game yet, so it was fun to guess, what scenes mightve come from gameplay sections.

[@theghostofjohnlennon]

Episode 1 & 3 were the best episodes of tv I've seen in a very long time

[@Chubz183]

1 set up such a doomsday scene, and 3 showed how love could still exist in such a hellscape. 100% agree!

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

I recommend you watch some classic television in that case.

[@SK-nf9yk]

13:19 The "other guy" is basically becoming the Lucas Hedges of TV shows

[@redrobins731]

You were way more positive towards this adaptation than I expected. I thought it was actually rather lackluster.

[@Vesite]

When the skinny guy in episode 3 got old he look so much like Jordan Peterson, it was extremely funny to me