HelloGreedo Gets Butthurt | EFAP Highlight

HelloGreedo rants about how abiding by canon is hard in his less than compelling attempt at defending The Last Jedi.
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[@BigIndividual]

Ironic how these people claim Star Wars is being boxed in creatively when Disney threw out the expanded universe in favor of milking nostalgia and retracing old storylines.

[@Adorni]

I wouldn’t even mind if they did this, if they did it with some *talent.* Outside of Andor, nothing has any degree of creativity or effort. Mandalorian is a good concept, or was, but nothing was done with it. Ashoka is, again, a good concept with nothing done with it. Jedi Survivor is kind of neat? And I think it’s got more than a bit of potential, but Darth Vader being present throws this big wrench in the works for me, because I have to see how they’re going to reconcile Cal Kestis being around when Obi Wan and Luke were doing their thing, without it weakening either character’s stories. Which is a very difficult thing to do.

[@viddykhaos2896]

@@AdorniI liked the new Jedi games, I found them endearing and interesting, and whilst I would have preferred them to not directly involve larger figures such as Vader I still found them to be smaller contained tales happening elsewhere in the galaxy whilst all of the mainline events are at another place or at another time. I hope they finish the trilogy effectively in the third game, because I did really like Cal as a character. I suppose they may have him sacrifice himself or something similar, sometime before the age of Luke and the OT.

[@BananaMana69]

Yeah the expanded universe had some really out there and creative stuff. Like the empire finding a lizard thats resistant to the force and creating rigs for stormtroopers to wear that contained those lizards and give them force resistant armor. Disney would never come up with somthing that creative.

[@mariobadia4553]

I mean they never threw anything out because it was never canning to begin with and thank God for that. I mean the Vong more absolute garbage considering the fact that they were Star Trek villains that got lost and somehow ended up in Star Wars

[@B1RDSEYE]

I actually didn’t know about the extended universe until a few years ago. I remember when I was complaining to my friend about how terrible the sequels were, and he proceeded to enlighten me about the extended universe that Disney had thrown away in favor of the crap pile we got, and it just made me even more angry. It wasn’t just that Disney was feeding us a lump of crap, it was that they had thrown out a five star meal in favor of the lump of crap.

[@rhuttner12]

Hello Greedo is the same guy who made a whole video shitting on the Original Trilogy Special Editions, FOR THEIR CHANGING OF DETAILS.

[@trenthoward6800]

Really? Wow, so he's just a soy clump that approves of everything in the sequels because DISNEY DISNEY DISNEY. Thank God they cannot breed.

[@emberfist8347]

Not a whole video he made one for each films. He even spent a good chunk of the Empire video complaining the Prequels portrayed the Emperor as evil because he is one of *those* fans.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

TFA killed Han Solo’s character, then killed Han Solo. TLJ killed Luke Skywalker’s character, then killed Luke Skywalker. Leia was still alive, despite the actress’s death. Then TRoS killed Leia Organa. The destruction is complete.

[@hariman7727]

And the Sith Lord, Darth Sue, Rey Palpatine has usurped the Jedi Order, bringing about a new dark age.

[@skarlock5257]

Remember when they made a Solo movie after they killed Han Solo? So it wasn't enough to kill him once, they had to go back in time and assassinate his character a second time.

[@viddykhaos2896]

As well as the legacy of Vader and Palpatine. Sure, the Emperor was a villain, but bringing him back ruins his actual place and importance in the canon. Now, no one is “dead,” because “somehow” they can return with it explanation. But, the one thing that is dead, is Star Wars.

[@HerohammerStudios]

I disagree. Leia was already a corpse in TFA

[@zeronightex]

@@HerohammerStudios TFA Leia had none of what made OT Leia so compelling in the first place. Why nobody cared about her character assassination back then I'm not sure.

[@kingragnarok7302]

Hard to enjoy the Sandbox when one of the kids had taken a dump in it.

[@primesonic4459]

"But its difffeeeeerrrreeeennnnnntttttttt"

[@ethanflores6252]

But have you considered muh theeeeeeeeeeeemes?!?!?

[@EmptyAltruism]

What’s worse is the smell is attracting scavengers…now the sandbox is being circled by vultures just waiting to get their turn to defile said sandbox…

[@Adorni]

_One_ of? By this point, this isn’t a sandbox. It’s a litter box

[@HoLeeFuk317]

I thought those were Lincoln logs

[@XaldirGodofGood]

If you hate Canon so much, then do your own Thing and don't leech of the success of an established Canon

[@StaunchyWaunchy]

I can see parallels with the UK, history being rewritten and sh@ on, but quite happy to prosper on the results of that history.

[@Ramsey276one]

*THIS*

[@falxblade1352]

Oh, but there's a funny catch 22. Then, they'll be making ANOTHER established canon!

[@mhc706]

So true. Too bad these kinds of people can’t create anything. Literal evil idiots. Even trying their hardest to create just a simple movie for a franchise that people made a religion out of, all they could do was destroy.

[@kanteannightmare]

Yes they do... That's the point. They want what's popular to get attention for their ego.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*Each episode should have made two billion dollars at the box office.* The end of a good sequel trilogy could have made three billion. The Han Solo movie should have been a success. The Boba Fett series should have been a success. *Poor writing and poorer decision making ensured that none of these would be the case. What a colossal failure.*

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

Obi Wan show should've been a resounding success and S2 and 3 should've already been out. But it's dead. It was one of the most desired shows

[@kylenegaard6461]

@@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329 That was one of the most depressing watches of my life with my friend, made me know that the smallest infintismal hope that anything would be good from disney, is a fool's hope, a pipe dream.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

Remember when Star Wars was guaranteed to sell?

[@joshuasmith6909]

HelloGreedo is clearly not a writer. If he was, he’d recognize how stupid he sounds. When I’m hired to write a story for someone, I have to ask for details they want. The blank page might hold boundless creativity, but that’s because creativity with no direction is blank!

[@grantjohnson5499]

This guy is the biggest hypocrite. He definitely didn't feel this way with the prequels, taking every opportunity to point out how they don't line up with the og trilogy canon

[@minigalen7599]

Things change when you get put on the payroll...

[@grantjohnson5499]

@@minigalen7599 Guess that Disney money was enough but guess it's not about where you end up...

[@Slyarno2795]

He's unlikable and just can't agree or disagree.

[@Nepafarius]

Them: Can a creator's unwavering commitment to their world building make it harder for me to inject bullshit storylines into their universe? Me: Yes, and good riddance.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

"Yes, and I hope they burn in Hell."

[@Kaishen021]

Nitpick here but the entire "It's a sandbox, you can do whatever you want!" thing irritates me - because you can't do whatever you want, you are limited by the medium you are working with (sand), the laws of physics, and the size of the sandbox.

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Thematic reality

[@r3dr4te963]

They're also coarse, and rough and gets everywhere. Joke aside, I always wonder if doing "nasty" stuff with the sands applicable. Just because it seems fun, doesn't mean it's "allowed"

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

@@r3dr4te963 "poop! Poop!!! Haha" - that's how you sound 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

[@Phe0niz]

That's the most efap thing I've ever read. Thank you.

[@mala6238]

That is just the truth.

[@focornali4349]

The Rey trilogy was dead to me the moment Leia chose to hug some rando she met an hour ago over her husband's BEST FRIEND

[@6vitamin]

It was alive? Idk if I’m just not a SW fan, or the most Chad SW fan. Because I was a kid when Phantom Menace came out, it was the first new Star Wars in my life, I was disappointed but enjoyed parts of it. Episode II killed my buzz, and III was redeeming, relative to II. - but I was not excited for Disney SW, and though Star Trek by Jar-Jar Abrams was competent, I didn’t have hopes for TFA - I still have not watched a single Disney SW product outside Mando Season 1, and countless videos shittin on all the Disney SW trash I cannot imagine watching TFA, TLJ, and still having hope for TROS

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

It fascinates me. The epicenter of the cultural zeitgeist for HALF A CENTURY, now forgotten by the mainstream due to mismanagement and poor decisions. The prequels couldn’t destroy Star Wars. The sequels did. No repercussions.

[@xenn4985]

Im sorry but star wars was not the epicenter of any zeitgeist. It was always a surface level icon, carried by merchandising.

[@NeravarSneed86]

@@xenn4985 this.

[@nagger8216]

@@xenn4985 I disagree, if only for the fact that Star Wars was one of the first big blockbuster movies that drew in millions of people to theaters. Outside of that yeah, completely agree.

[@xenn4985]

@@nagger8216 right, so it was an epicenter of hollywood culture. A small subsections of the zeitgeist.

[@nagger8216]

@@xenn4985Talk about splitting hairs, holy shit.

[@Gamem0ver]

Here's a thought, if you want creative freedom, create your own IP where you can make anything....

[@Slingsby_architecture]

Constraints and limitations nurtures creativity more than a blank canvas.

[@Wyzai]

yesn't. I consider it a different kind of creativity. Mine works better off a base. I have a friend who can work on an empty canvas with no problems. The thing is, whenever you do literally anything you "limit your creativity". The moment you put a single word on paper you already rule out a ton of possibilities. If you have a hint of creativity, this isn't a problem. "On a stormy night..." is a very limiting opening statement. So is "on a tuesday afternoon...".Somehow they're not crying about those things. It's always "This renowned brand I was given with a massive paycheck is limiting my creativity"

[@jontaehall2740]

I don't agree with this statement at all. It takes a lot of creativity to create and set up something from scratch that will grow an audience. Working off a base is also tricky for a different reason since you have rules for the story put in place that you have to work within. What kills creativity is complaining that you can't do whatever you want because things already established contradicts your idea.

[@charmandyorton006]

The irony of HelloGreedo trying to justify the Sequels' existence to spite the concepts of "cynical" continuity and cohesion, when the world is now four years on from TRoS and he probably can't name six different plot points that happened across the entire Sequel trilogy or why, maximum of three events that happened in one Sequel at a time.

[@horridk3070]

"Should lore really get in the way of new ideas-" YES, that is quite literally the point of lore and world building.

[@venomsnake4042]

I always love seeing TLJ defenders cope with TROS

[@Analog_Mind47]

"What Do Mean I can't write something that Contradicts different parts of the Story! You're restricting my imagination" statement made to defend some of the most Bland corpo slop movies ever made

[@barrybend7189]

Limitations induce creativity.

[@CJ-kg7yq]

A fun example would be the fog in Silent Hill 1

[@barrybend7189]

@@CJ-kg7yq or the kitbashed ships in Star Trek DS9.

[@artofalmost9479]

@@CJ-kg7yqOr Jaws not showing the shark for most of the movie

[@idfkwhatyouwantfromme]

I just love how this guy's claim to fame was shitting on the prequels and special editions for like, ten years, until Disney came along. Now he's all "let's just be positive!"

[@numidium3]

I could kinda sorta respect it if he was like "well that was the old me, I was more negative back then and now I like all the SW movies" but he's dying on that lonely prequels bad, Disney Wars good hill.

[@SwfanredLotr]

I hate those type of people.

[@deadpoolguy283]

He's the KZbin Version of Simon Pegg

[@CuhShark]

Because back then, the general public's view of Star Wars was still pretty good despite the prequels. So he felt he had room to make fun of them like many youtubers did. It was only when Star Wars started to go down in popularity and reception that he started to feel the need to defend it to the end

[@BoredLikeHelI]

​@@CuhSharkshit take

[@JoeSyxpack]

The tredded, shielded, catapult sand skidder bike things seem like something that belongs in Masters of the Universe and not Star Wars. They're like a Hasbro toy getting shoehorned into the story.

[@ericshaunfield9304]

Brilliant take. They are just like all the HeMan toys I had as a kid. SW already had speeder bikes and land/airspeeders.

[@planetbob6703]

Why should I care about or get attached to anything if the next project/announcement/sale can just retcon it?

[@nont18411]

Meanwhile, Orlando Bloom: 🗿🗿🗿

[@jmaitland5709]

Since when was Star Wars meant to be a sandbox? Where did that idea even come from? It's a story with it's own fictional universe, thats it, why does it have to be the setting for every random ass idea from magical witches to fat arms dealers in casinos? Is Star Wars its own genre now? I really wish some of these people would sit down and properly think about what they're actually saying for once.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

the expanded universe was something of a sandbox. but calling it a sandbox is too loose, it's more like how middle earth and the world of D and D is. follow the rules and write what you want under them, its how we got some bangers in the EU. you want to bend the rules, consult the game makers (George Lucas greenlit every EU project)

[@arafat2924]

@@silverprimus321boi9that and it was always implicitly understood by all involved that the movies are "hard" canon and everything else various degrees of "soft" canon and that George could disregard anything not in the movies in his next movies

[@silverprimus321boi9]

@@arafat2924 more or less. but they still work and didn't overly screw over canon, at least until the later years of its existence like TCW 2008 and the Denningverse.

[@arafat2924]

@@silverprimus321boi9 yeah I never considered Filoni's Clone Wars show canon tho

[@silverprimus321boi9]

@arafat2924 well according to Disney and filoni, everything that's in the shows and movies are canon. So that gives filoni and all the writers the ability to overrule any books comics or games in their way. So I think George Lucas's approach to the eu has had a lot worse impact now.

[@ViolentMessiah666]

Greedo is such a spaz & Rag''''s spent way more time thinking about the logistics of the dirtbikes than everyone at Disney combined 😂

[@jameskershaw4452]

I'm kind of embarrassed to admit I liked his content one upon a time... However after TLJ film I woke up. As far as I know he still hates the prequels but loves the Sequels. His early videos to success are very similar to RLM bashing the Prequels and they both can't admit that in comparison to the Sequels they are better movies and Disney is ruining the Star Wars brand.

[@John-fk2ky]

I never watched HelloGreedo, but I’m one of the few that absolutely HATES RLM’s prequel reviews. On more than one occasion I’ve found myself shouting “did you pay ANY attention to the movie?” when watching the reviews.

[@MikeSandersonVideos]

Na just the OT. The prequels are still bad. George doesn't know how to direct. And the Disney SW are a whole new, equally bad if not worse set of movies. The prequels gave power to the idea of SW being a sandbox, which I despise like many others

[@TheWRYYYYYYY]

The "no paper" thing is actually a rule George Lucas established for Star Wars. Can't remember where I read that, maybe Lucas' biography by Brian Jay Jones.

[@shaecouture7480]

But the sacred texts! :P

[@a_fine_edition2746]

I imagine he just didn't want to have paper because it feels less sci-fi than datapads and all that. You could maybe have very ancient history that involves paper, but beyond that, it would be kept out of stuff.

[@Adorni]

Lucas said that Star Wars is a paperless universe, which is facilitated by holocrons and databanks and other such things. You _can_ have these things, of course, but the idea that the Jedi would have “sacred texts,” for example, is ridiculous when every single thing we’ve seen of their history is tied into digital storage, not paper documentation.

[@prkr07]

Which is why Order 66/Operation Knightfall was such a devastating loss for the Jedi, since most of that digital information would have been wiped out by Vader and Sidious, leaving the culture and lessons of the Order in either the memory of its few survivors or in ruins lost to time. Also, part of the reason that holocrons were developed is that their storage utilized special crystals. Crystals were HUGE in Jedi culture and technology; the most notable, of course, being the kyber crystals that made lightsabers possible. So of course, one of the first orders of business of the new Empire was to lock down any planet that produced those crystals. I miss when this level of thought went into worldbuilding.

[@nicolasacosta1673]

Canon is the reason massive fandoms are created. It's why I and millions of other people got into Star Wars in the early 2000s.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Yahtzee made a pretty good case that the prequels being bad reinvigorated the Star Wars fandom in a way that other franchises weren't able to. Like, everyone knows Sonic The Hedgehog even though Sonic hasn't had a genuinely good game since Sonic Generations (which still had arguably the worst boss fight in the entire series as the final boss) because people haven't stopped memeing on modern Sonic games being lousy and the fanbase being cringe. Honestly, maybe the problem was that the sequels weren't bad enough. Like, the entire thing should have been filled with memeworthy awfulness, but what we got was just really boring.

[@nicolasacosta1673]

@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 I mean I disagree completely on the whole prequels were bad thing. I enjoyed them when I was a kid and I still enjoyed them as an adult. There's really badass fights throughout the prequels, it added a ton of lore and put the EU on overdrive and lastly Palpatine's ascension was pretty well done. I never hated on the prequels.

[@charmandyorton006]

8:12 "So wait, wait, they developed a bike that doesn't hover, to launch people that hover?"

[@HellbirdIV]

I just want to make a remark on MauLer's case about the smallest kind of continuity detail that can be overlooked, it reminded me of George Takei talking about playing Sulu on Star Trek. Takei's job was to sit at a prop computer and hit prop buttons on cue. Being a pretty driven creative sort, he decided to construct in his head what the buttons would "actually" do, in order to make sure that Sulu appeared on screen to actually be working a functioning console, not just randomly poking at a prop. Inevitably, this came to a head with an episode director being annoyed at Takei for refusing to push a specific button that, for whatever reason, the director was adamant was _the_ one to push in that scene - with Takei noting that button had been established as firing the photon torpedoes, which would make the whole scene rather ridiculous. I don't remember if the director or Takei got his way in the end, but the whole story is a good example of how tiny continutity errors become nitpicks to some people, but blatantly ridiculous actions to others who are more invested.

[@BoredLikeHelI]

Ironically Takei would shit on all contiuity if he was asked to for the "right" reason (introduce "T" caracter for ex.) Good story but bad ex. Actors are VERY rarely true gatekeepers of fact and canon

[@kazineverwind5267]

"Obviously canon is important, that's why we need to ignore it and bring Merlin into Star Wars!"

[@ScooterDoge]

39:23 force healing was supposed to be a lie that Palpatine used to coerce Anakin and trick him.

[@John-fk2ky]

There actually was a “Force healing” ability in the EU, but it was just helping the body’s natural process along so that you healed faster but nothing close to instantly. It also required a good amount of focus. Using it on yourself required going into a trance where you’re completely unresponsive and still takes a long time for just shorter recovery times. Not once, as far as I can remember was it used to save someone from dying like you see in TROS. Going by the games, there might have been a fast heal option by ripping life energy out of other people, but those games also have Force healing being instantly effective, so even that seems doubtful for more story-based usage.

[@franzosisch5965]

It was basically a jedi nap

[@XenoSpyro]

I didn't watch Rise nor plan to. Are you telling me they actually used Team Heal from Jedi Outcast's multiplayer for a plot point?

[@An_Actual_Rat]

​​@@XenoSpyroTwo characters gets back from the brink of death in separate instances. Second instance was arguably even an example of someone being brought back from death.

[@coreymckee4844]

The one game I can remember than had that ability were the jedi knight games and revenge of the sith game.

[@ericchung3177]

There was one instance of healing someone from the brink of death iirc, with Cade Skywalker in the legacy series. But that was a unique dark side ability specific to Cade and wasn’t just a casual part of the universe.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Inb4 a whiny Hellogreedo stan comes in the comments to shout "NO! HELLOGREEDO IS MY WAIFU! HE'S SUCH A GREAT PERSON! HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF HIM!"

[@The_Jimmy_Turner]

Inb4 a Hellogreedo Stan says “NO YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT”

[@CharlesUrban]

I think that the Synthetic Man crowd has a near-monopoly on that nowadays.

[@janehrahan5116]

Because there is a grain of truth in the synthetic man simps. Just one grain, it's a pretty empty truth silo, but one is infinitely more than zero

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@janehrahan5116 well, its a hard truth to admit, but occasionally even hasan, vaush, moviebob, etc have a correct take. It's mostly by happenstance, so it doesn't give them any credibility since aside from that one take their entire body of work is straight shit. Same goes for SM. His entire modus operandi is viewing things through a particular lens (same as the other 3). Occasionally the lens will align correctly.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

@@CharlesUrban Yeah, I don't even think even the most hardcore shill simp is as thirsty as AnnaWaifu.

[@haku8135]

You can't even do whatever you want in am ACTUAL sandbox. There's still rules! Especially if other people are playing in the same sandbox!

[@jeremyusreevu237]

I think they're talking about a sandbox game like Garry's Mod. Not a literal sandbox.

[@Joe45-91]

On the last Star Grift, MauLer brings up Hellogreedo, and the chat was like: Wuh? What's wrong with Hellogreedo? He just hates everything 😤

[@ThunderThumz]

To be fair SWT’s chat is once of the worse I’ve ever seen haha. A majority of his fans are like him and have accepted that just because it’s star wars we should accept whatever is put in front of us and even if it’s horrible at least we got another Star Wars thing. Thats how 90% of them are. Toxic af too lol.

[@pubcle]

If limitations do not spark creativity then you did not have creativity to begin with. The paper rule was established by Lucas, similarly he set a rule that glasses should never be depicted in Star Wars. Also didn't Greedo kinda build himself off some of the lore?

[@thebubonicj]

I’m just too aware that he’s miming in front of the camera to a prerecorded voiceover to take in anything he says.

[@MusicEnjoyerSLS]

Literally anyone who actually makes art (writers, musicians, painters, whoever) will tell you that limitations FOSTER creativity, not hamper it Edit: I just got to the part where they say this explicitly lol

[@davidcox8592]

Inb4 greedo gets mad.

[@jmp7140]

It’s crazy to cause Greedos earliest videos were him talking about how the changes George made to the OT are bad and how the prequels don’t connect to the OT

[@NoobTamer]

It's not surprising at all. He's the same as all the other RLM type shills.

[@MikeSandersonVideos]

​@@NoobTamerRLM are shills now?

[@MikeSandersonVideos]

​@@NoobTamerthey pretty much still maintain that the prequels are bad and that Disney Star Wars is bad also? Not seeing any shilling from RLM.

[@NoobTamer]

@@MikeSandersonVideos I think you missed my point. I was saying Greedo acts just like RLM, hence saying he is a "RLM type shill". They all share bad opinions regarding Star Wars, that is how they are shills.

[@amanpingle1497]

Greedo seemed pretty chill with Efap covering him, so points for that. But just like EVERYONE who subjective tisms, you just wanna ask him about these opinions. About the easy hypotheticals that fuck up this attitude. "Canon ruins creativity", but if Tchalla is a white female, suddenly his stance will go down the drain.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Yup, I've yet to find anybody who applies that principle 100 percent. There's always something that you're not allowed to change.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Yeah, I definitely respect Hellogreedo more than other shills.

[@enkiduthewildman]

I've said this before and now I'll say it again, limitations are the _source_ of creativity. You are not creative _despite_ limitations, you are creative _because of_ your limitations. You cannot be creative in the void, you can only be random. Creativity is, in its purest form, the overcoming of limits. It could be the choice of medium, or setting, or genre, or technology, or adherence to established cannon -- the ability to tell your story within those limits _is_ creativity. And to see this applied to _Star Wars_ -- a property that very famously had to _invent whole new technologies_ in special effects due to the limits of existing 1970s tech... I... I just don't know what to say.

[@PepsiMan666]

When they want to ignore canon it reveals they never cared about the property in the first place. If their original ideas were so good they would be successful on their own. But they aren't which is why they should stick to canon.

[@kieranholmes8086]

I think the main problem with comics is actually the opposite of what Sitch said. The problem has always been status quo resetting. I’d rather they reference things from ages ago rather than act like the effects never happened

[@dynomight3855]

I agree Stitch to me comes off as a guy who's not as smart he thinks he is when it comes to certain things by saying alot but meaning very little.

[@John-fk2ky]

Ironically, I wish they WOULD reset 100%, then retell everything from the start, get to some kind of end, then repeat instead of this absolutely confusing continuity that references some comics from decades ago as canon but wipes out or changes pieces the last few years while staying at least somewhat close to the pre-reboot situation. It’s why a lot of the comics I buy these days are from one era (pre-Crisis) instead of keeping up with something they’ll reboot again in a few years anyway.

[@Wyzai]

comics should probably have someone go over them and decide what is canon and then write a rulebook based on it. Every new writer can then reference that book and additions will be made as time goes on.

[@MaesterMike]

Never watched any of HelloGreedo's videos, but I have to ask: did he ever criticize the Prequel trilogy? If he did, it always amazes me the double standards of Sequel trilogy defenders. Either give Lucas leeway for the choices he made for the prequels, or rip into Disney for their poor decisions. You can't have it only one way, especially since the sequels are infinitely more egregious than the prequels ever were.

[@ericchung3177]

I find that a lot of the time when a creator has 100% creative control the product actually suffers for it rather than improves. Look at Ren and Stimpy/ When John K had networks breathing down his neck and telling him to control his diseased brain to a reasonable level the show was fantastic, but the MOMENT John K got full creative control for the sequel series (Adult Party Cartoon) it took a massive nosedive. Shit pacing, nonsensical story, way too much sex and violence and way too much long, drawn out gross shit that wasn't even funny. A lot of creative people need some kind of limits to stop them from getting lost in their own sauce and making a product literally only THEY could like and make sense of.

[@barrybend7189]

22:52 Mauler as a Trekky i hated what was done to the Enterprise in Discovery. It's as big as the excelsior, the proportions are wrong and the interior sets are too big. It's like casting Andre the giant as tyrian Lannister. I can give the JJ verse movies a pass as at least it's different for a reason. The Discovery team was just stupid. There's no excuse as Picard season 3 has both the TOS and TMP Constitution class one of which was the Enterprise A.

[@Coaltergeist]

"Coffee Cake is scrumptious, but it should never be a cinnamon-flavored confection" -HelloBilbo

[@Svenssontobbe85]

Canon and lore is a forest with thick underbrush a author is a pathfinder that make thier way though it without leaving a trace, a hack will cut thier way though it leaving a clear path but still in the forest, a corpo hack job like disney star wars is a man with a gas can and matches.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

His voice is so annoying lol. And why appear on video if you're just going to wear a helmet all the time?

[@Ch0c0lateChimp]

If I remember correctly he serves(ed) in the US Navy, and typically having a significant online presence and being in the military doesn't mesh very well. The mask is to conceal his identity, but concealment would be much easier if he just doesn't video record himself in the first place 😂

[@SURGEONAA2]

@@Ch0c0lateChimphe’s retired Navy but he is a firefighter if I’m not mistaken, but what you said can apply to his current job

[@88HELLJUMPER88]

If there are 100 tie fighters on a star destroyed, i expect there to be 100 tie fighters on every star destroyer. If there are only 80 on the next one i see, i expect to have a reason for that change. Creativity comes in when you explain why there are only 80 and how that affects the story. How this simple concept eludes him is beyond me.

[@ytaltacc8008]

The title is correct. Assuming what disney did to star wars is canon, there is very little to be had in terms of creativity and fun. They essentially poured salt in star wars and nothing can grow from it moving forward. With this out of the way, I suspect HelloGreedo video is full of shit.

[@CarParts08382]

As soon as he was deemed "pro-TLJ," I already knew how desperate HelloGreedo was going to be in defending Disney/Lucasfilm.

[@masterclockwork4436]

The entirety of the EU was done with this "restriction" adhered to. Look at the mess Disney Star Wars is ignoring not only old canon but their own.

[@TonyTama]

I find it hard to believe people like greedo likes star wars when they think canon is boxing in creativity when the entire idea of star wars is its canon which is its foundational stone. If you dont build upon stone you have a soon to be toppling structure. Oh. Like Everything save for Rogue One and Andor.

[@AbyssalShadow763]

Who cares about how bad Hellogreedo's video is, how did it make you feel

[@aa6731]

Pretend it made you feel the way you wanted.

[@fabiof.8152]

But how does it make you *FEEEEEL* ?

[@go_rilla262]

Married man gets into a car accident and experiences severe head trauma, losses his memories of being married and starts living as a batchelor. Boom. Married Batchelor. I get your point though.

[@tolkienist7905]

Saying TROS made u like TLJ more is like saying that your heroin addiction gave u a new appreciation for your alcoholism.

[@GeekOwtLowd]

There's always a creative way to work within canon... In fact, the restrictions DEMAND it. Wait... scratch that. Adhering to TLJ would ruin everything after it.

[@Mike_Dubo]

​@Rotom0479I second the motion!

[@finalfantasy50]

Does hellogreedo allow this with anything? can one break any rule set in any universe because of muh creativity?

[@ericchung3177]

He made his career shitting all over the prequels for contradicting the OT, so I would guess no. He’s just a Disney Wars simp.

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

I went to check his channel, hes really got videos about how great Ashoka was.. thats about all you need to know

[@LordHoth_90]

In the EU, paper existed in ancient scrolls and books with “modern” paper called “flimsi” made out of plastic-like material. Just… the more ya know.

[@friendalex7384]

This argument makes me feel like it comes from people who don't do creative stuff very much. It's fairly commonly understood among artists that parameters drive innovation. Brian Eno famously has a set of cards (I think called The Oblique Strategies) where the cards ask you to put self imposed parameters onto whatever prokect you're working on. Helpful!

[@cjd2889]

These people don't want star wars. They want to cynically wear Star Wars as a skinsuit so they can take advantage of the brand recognition and audience to tell a different story altogether.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

🎵I fought the lore and...the lore won I fought the lore and...the lore won🎵

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

The "sandbox of imagination" has become a litter box at this point.

[@Hollyclown]

This brings me back.

[@cyberphantom99]

This is like arguing Dark Souls shouldn't have enemies in it because you keep dying to them. The cannon is the main feature!

[@Wyzai]

the hollows are limiting my creativity!

[@Colouroutofspace4]

Oh hey that's my superchat!. Basically it was in the old EU design guide that you shouldn't use non-high tech items when you can use a high tech equivalent. Don't use paper when you cam use a dataslate. Don't use a book when you can use a holo-archive. Don't use a car when you can use a hover car.. The idea was how to maintain the aestetic of star wars when you wete writing a novel in the EU.

[@Adorni]

Don’t use a horse when you can use a… giant warbling iguana? Oh, General Kenobi, you rascally rebel.

[@Colouroutofspace4]

@@Adorni exactly! How immersion breaking would it be if obi-wan was running around on a regular-ass horse on an alien planet?

[@primarybufferpanel9939]

22:37 One of the biggest reasons for my dislike of Star Trek: Discovery is the anachronistic technology, as Rags said. The trailers had me questioning it, but I watched all of the first season to give it a chance. The technology was the least worse thing about it.

[@bad-people6510]

I HATE the aesthetics of the Kelvin Star Trek stuff. It's all so sterile and charmless. Everything feels like your dentist's office. And it goes beyond that. They get tech wrong CONSTANTLY. No Scotty didn't come up with a way to beam across solar systems. They don't have that 100 years later. No they don't have replicators. Those won't be invented for decades. No it doesn't take six seconds to get from Earth to Vulcan. No you're not going to get there and be shocked by a battle taking place there because in Star Trek the sensors can detect a single ship from ten lightyears away while traveling at warp. And no you're not going to just keep bumping into shit like they KEEP DOING because that's the entire point of a navigational deflector and defensive shields. Not to mention they're inconsistent with how transporters work within the SAME MOVIE.

[@rebar4846]

Concerning the discussion about implementing Force Heal ability, there's a really cool and quite frankly, very easy way of implementing it AND making it so it fits with the established canon. We already know that saving people from death is possible, as Darth Plagueis had such an ability, which let him save people he cared about from dying. So, if not a Dark Side ability, it's definitely not a Light Side power, because it's function seems to be directly against the dogma of the Jedi, so at the very least, it's a forbidden power. However, that alone cannot be enough, because the Jedi Order no longer exists and certain practices that would otherwise have been forbidden, are now free for the taking by any Force enthusiast, who'd stumble upon them in some abandoned temple or something. So it obviously needs to be something that's hard to learn, but there also needs to be consequences of using such an ability. Darth Plagueis was a Sith Lord and as we well know, the path of the Sith is one of self-destruction. The cost of using Force Heal would then logically have to do with personal loss to the Force-user. Healing someone would have a negative effect on the healer, who'd lose something with each use of the ability, either physically or mentally, perhaps spiritually as well. And when it comes to saving someone from dying, it'd only make sense that only death can pay for life.

[@realistic_delinquent]

Greedo, Blob, and Tonald triple threat? What a stacked episode!

[@alex9x9]

You can do absolutely everything with your imagination in Star Wars. You just can't call it Star Wars anymore. Look at Zach Snyder. He managed to make his own IP. Well it's shit and copied others better work but it's new.

[@stormcutter59]

I lost respect for this guy the moment I heard him defending Disney after Force Awakens. I can remember the quote now. I think it went along the lines of "I can't think of a bigger waste of time, than debating......ART!" Oh boy the irony on that one prints itself

[@marychocolatefairy]

33:22 Re him complaining about canon being bad when it "turns into laws on what you can and can't do in your movie": lol, it's hilarious how, in order to defend these current bad movies and shows, studio simps are reduced to arguing that no, continuity is not a staple of good storytelling. That should tell them something about what they're defending. Changing continuity is something that people notice, and it breaks belief in the story. Making an honest mistake is one thing, but often we see deliberate changes being made.

[@mannaandmonsters]

Canon, is in and of itself, the laws of the said work. It means ‘standard of measurement’ and was first used in interpreting what was Canon for the Bible. Interesting that deconstructionists are going for canon of properties like they do for scripture.

[@Dwoods91]

This argument is insane. Sure, let's just take Tolkiens elvish language that he literally created and change it to English. It's only Canon 🤦‍♂️

[@jamalshelton5746]

In the lore of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, the art of Qigong allows you to lighten your body, with supreme masters being able to make their bodies lighter than air. But that's an Eastern cultural thing so it's not explained directly in the movie.

[@Dodds57]

When I think of excessive canon being a detriment, I think of when the canon becomes homework. That’s why I stopped reading comics. That’s part of why the MCU sucks now. Scarlet Witch, Kamala Khan, Monica Rambeau. These are characters that are important to big movies but require Disney Plus homework for any context on them. BUT the real problem here is pawning off the burden of canon onto the audience instead of making a balanced story that both adheres to canon while also being accessible to viewers who don’t remember what happened in Ms. Marvel.

[@Arrestedrabbit]

Maybe it's just because I come from an academic background and haven't really done any creative writing, but surely specificity is always a good thing right? Even settings that have built in retcons like 40k always describes things in detail and all the good contributing authors know you can't just break rules around stuff like psykers. Nothing seems to be stopping stories about monkey weaponsmiths existing in the same setting as stories of men being beaten down by fate and losing their convictions. I suppose my point is if the details of a setting have to be bent hard to achieve the story beats you want why even have it there? Obivously that's a hypothetical it's just capitalizing on a brand they own. Even then though. Disney didn't treat the MCU with such a "fuck it" attitude at least before End Game. It's all just so baffling.

[@obscuresource3606]

Paper, or a similar equivalent does exist and has existed in Star Wars since before the Disney takeover. It’s called Flimsiplast or Flimsi.

[@auxityne]

Stories without rules are like houses without foundations. If you can't figure out how to work within established limits, get better at writing.

[@popepisspot1675]

26:23 kind of funny to hear this considering how lightsabers are treated as baseball bats in shows like kenobi.

[@rockbottom2822]

The main power is called Psychokinesis which enables levitation, telekinesis, photokinesis, electrokinesis or pyrokinesis since it simply means mind over matter, the ability to manipulate matter with your willpower and that includes strangling someone or like in David Cronenberg's Scanners, making their head explode.

[@justinsane1119]

I have one good answer. If Star Wars acted like the sequel trilogy didn’t exist and just went on making stuff (it would have to be good obviously) without ever referencing it or acting like it ever happened I think that would be a good thing

[@TheJcjonesacp]

1:21 there is a way to play with the sandbox of an established franchise while ignoring cannon…it’s called fanfiction

[@Kaweebo]

16:34 I like how the picture they use for the “our fascination with canon” article is of the Grand Inquisitor - who is objectively wrong - throwing away library books from the Jedi Archives because *he* doesn’t care about them

[@zak7an2]

there's CANON 😄and CANON 😠

[@shaecouture7480]

22:57 Chief has the same armor between 2 and 3. Halo 3 to 4 is when he enters cryo in one suit and wakes up in another.

[@aaronrowell6943]

Example of what I think that he's trying to talk about is Beskar armor is lightsaber proof. That's Canon breaking.

[@Mcaark]

People give the “Inheritance” book series a lot of crap. (The Eragon book series with the dragon). But I REALLY appreciated the magic system, where magic cost the caster physical energy, like action potential.

[@An_Actual_Rat]

I also appreciated that magic affected warfare. Mages can kill dozens of people instantly since bursting tiny bloodvessels takes very little physical effort. In turn every faction need mages to both ward troops against such things and root out enemy magic users. Too many fantasy works feature regular troops getting thrown into meat grinders since they use standard medieval Hollywood tactics against people that cast fireball.

[@sophiasfavorite9646]

@@An_Actual_Rat That would just be Napoleonic warfare. Which was still cavalry centered and involved a lot of close-formation infantry, so not THAT different from "medieval" warfare. And Chrissy-poo Weenie SERIOUSLY has an air force whose main weapon is SWORDS, instead of, say, muzzleloading firearms ignited by saying "fire" in the Ancient Language™.

[@FatherOfConqs]

"NO! HELLOGREEDO IS MY WAIFU! HE'S SUCH A GREAT PERSON! HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF HIM!"

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Nice. 😎

[@sophiasfavorite9646]

"Art is limitation; the essence of every picture is the frame. If you draw a giraffe, you must draw him with a long neck. If in your bold creative way you hold yourself free to draw a giraffe with a short neck, you will really find that you are not free to draw a giraffe."-G. K. Chesterton

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I think the only example I can think of where, even theoretically, excessive adherence to detail, canon, and continuity being destructive or problematic to the product, falls under one of two categories: 1. Writing a story in which multiple characters are established as having universal and/or reality warping abilities, and not having these abilities properly accounted for. Realistically, a universe with multiple cosmic entities of this scale and caliber active at all times couldn't function; they'd rip the whole thing apart immediately, and so ignoring, forgetting, downplaying, or otherwise writing off these entities and their abilities/struggles is the only sensible way to move forward. 2. Looney Tunes-esque slapstick comedy would be difficult to achieve with a 100% internally consistent world. Even if you establish that these cartoons are capable of being put into mortal danger, and suffer would-be fatal injuries by our standards in ways that leave them no worse for wear, they also regularly do things which are physically impossible in certain gags, while relying on the existence and necessity of physics for other gags. In a 100% internally consistent world, you can't have it both ways; these are either invincible, physics defying cartoons, or sitcom characters with limitations imposed on them by the reality of their world. That was the best I could do to steel man this argument, and admittedly its not perfect. In the end, for about 99% of stories, your best bet is always going to be internal consistency and canon.

[@wwmandalore]

The DS9 Trouble With Tribbles did a great job of combining the old aesthetic with updated effects.

[@r.downgrade5836]

The way to salvage Star Wars is to turn the Disney Sequels from canon to non-canon. Same thing for the shows too, except maybe Andor.