The one song Meshuggah NEVER play live (Marrow)

[@Obliaxe]

My utter confusion has turned into further utter confusion *proceeds to headbang to the strong beat*

[@dillondavis9631]

Couldn't be more relatable.

[@YogevGabay]

Just think what I went through

[@dillondavis9631]

@YogevGabay I can't. My brain would be beyond fried. You breaking down Meshuggah songs is a great feat on its own.

[@TangoTangoOscarSierra]

​@YogevGabay thank you for your service 😂

[@educostanzo]

That's all we all can do 😂

[@draqza]

"Yes it has been a long time, no we're not gonna talk about it." All good, just glad to see you back!

[@YogevGabay]

Thanks so much !!!

[@jordantulak6252]

IKR I just found this channel and am thankful for the timing!

[@gongboy83]

It's my first time here so I'm just imagining something horrifying occurred until I get new information.

[@Kiham80]

​@@gongboy83More horryfying than breaking down Meshuggah songs!?

[@wojecire]

OMG OMG OMG it's happening, we're getting the Marrow breakdown!!!!!

[@YogevGabay]

HELL YEH !

[@ChaosPootato]

It sounds like a really bad thing outside of Meshuggah music

[@OfficiallyMaidenless]

@@ChaosPootato Marrow Breakdown affected my entire family

[@levih.2158]

Inside Thomas' head when he's playing: "Alright post guitar solo let's go x, circle, x, cricle, circle, x, circle,x,x..."

[@NoahWolfe]

"I'll just throw in some numbers because I know you missed them." Yes, sir. We did!

[@FranIuvara]

Only thing I know about Marrow is every time I listen to it, it feels like I'm right under a meteorite rain, where the sliding note is the meteor falling, and the low note is the meteor crashing on the ground.

[@Trukkerkeps]

The confusion is the main reason I listen to Meshuggah. Since I can't remember the beats or get the hang of it, I just relax and let the groove wash over me.

[@morganneher8643]

That’s exactly perfect, you can’t always guess what’s next and so you give up and just go with it 🔥 It forces you to just let go and ride the wave 🤘

[@Walexo45]

Marrow is absolutely underrated. In fact, Koloss is absolutely underrated, along with Catch Thirty-Three.

[@deceiver444]

Also Koloss has one of the most beautiful closing track in the history of ever as far as my insignificant person is concerned

[@ryanpetriello3461]

Catch Thirty-Three is by far my favorite Meshuggah album

[@Ion99]

Catch Thirtythree is not underrated. Everybody sings its well-deserved praises. Their best album

[@Walexo45]

@@Ion99 I rarely saw much praise for Catch Thirty-Three online compared to Nothing or ObZen. I've discovered way later their song In Death / Is Life / Is Death and it slowly became one of my favorites from them.

[@Ion99]

@@Walexo45 Really? I'm always seeing people echo that it's their best album. Guess we're just on different ends of the cyberspace

[@melechgadol]

Yogev going through every combination of 4 and 3 for 16 minutes. great vid my guy

[@YogevGabay]

מלך !

[@cHr22o7]

The conclusion on why they never played it live blew my mind, lol

[@usaflagraybans]

It’s a pretty good reason, but also not. Modern metal is filled with all sorts of pitch shifting stuff. Buster Odeholm is a great example with any of his projects. Also, the song is very difficult.

[@CCDaDon15]

I’d like to see a similar video for why they don’t play “I”

[@YogevGabay]

I wonder if that's really the case !

[@YogevGabay]

@@CCDaDon15 Not sure if this is what you meant, but: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5-4k2aopLOWmtE

[@JP_Hatecrew]

@@usaflagraybansOrbit culture is using Pitch shifts aswell and I never noticed anything. It probably depends on the gear they use. But I need to be honest that I don't know how good programmed pitch shifts work with weird timings.

[@spkbri]

The only "structures" I can see in the POST GTR Solo Riff #2 are: 1) XOXO OXOX (symmetry) + XOOXX (twice) and then OXO (twice, also symmetry) + XXXOOX XOOXXX (symmetry) and, which I think has more mathematical/geometrical sense: 2) X + OXO OXO (symmetry and repetition) + XX OO XXX OO XX (symmetry, internal structure: 2+2+3+2+2) and then OXO OXO (again) + XXX OO XX OO XXX (similar to end of the first line but 3+2+2+2+3, exchanging the X amounts (2 becomes 3 and 3 becomes 2))

[@thismightbeconnor6493]

Least complicated prog metal rhythm explanation:

[@solidground2024]

With clockworks it is 2’s and 3’s for Marrow it is 3’s and 4’s. The rhythmic creativity of this band is unreal

[@Crcmvnt]

Honey… wake the children it’s Mayshuggah! Missed greatly.

[@MittensOnly]

I've heard there's a dissertation explaining that many Meshuggah riffs "start" in the "middle" I'm afraid I don't have an example handy but I imagine these riffs fall under that umbrella

[@loganamaral]

Yes it’s true. Lethargica has some.

[@tinnitussoundtherapy]

Probably Caulder Hannon. His channel Metal Music Theory does some very indepth dissections of meshuggah

[@WhiteRussianDolls]

Entrapment and In death is Death had a lot of those riffs 🙌

[@YogevGabay]

I heard that before, but it's too far out of an idea for me to even entertain. I mean, if something starts in the middle, how would you even know where the "beginning" of the riff is besides taking you best musical guess? you know what I mean?

[@ObeseChess]

@@tinnitussoundtherapyhe’s done dissertations on this kind of thing but the “riff starting in the middle” thing is not his afaik, though his Car Bomb dissertation is absolutely worth reading

[@Meshuggapeth]

I have no factual idea what beat I’m on when I’m in the middle of one of meshuggah’s prolonged hypermeasures. However, I have a perfect sense of when the one is coming up. You really can’t miss the one. Meshuggah is a hell of a drug. Thanks for the enlightening video!

[@geshel]

8:58 it's three palindromic statements: 4343 242 3434 then 4343 3434 then 3443 4 3443

[@ChrisSteingen]

As you asked for feedback: The way you explain those riffs with smaller chunks of 2,3,4 and 5s makes total sense to me :) I think the visualization is spot on. Love it 😍

[@brentos5001]

Meshuggah counting works for me

[@YogevGabay]

Epic ! Happy to hear !

[@ThatBeTheQuestion]

Oh, I'm so glad Mayshuggay is back. I didn't realize how much I missed this.

[@morganneher8643]

Marrow is a Meshuggah Sudoku!!!! You are the best, I need these analysis so badly 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@winterunterseher8937]

They've also never played The Demons Name is Surveillance for obvious reasons. Such a relentless track. I'd love to hear Behind the Sun. I'd also love to hear an anaylsis of Nostrum someday too 🤘

[@jacobhayes1305]

Some of my favorite content on youtube. Keep doing your thing!

[@YogevGabay]

Thanks !!

[@laurisiltanen8348]

I don’t even understand anything that’s going on but I’m hooked on the Meshuggah videos

[@barnabasmihaly8961]

Good to see you again Yogev! I missed these videos! ❤

[@milanimilani]

He was preparing a set of analysis of Kōenji Hyakkei that will soon be released. Well, at least this is my dream...

[@DustinWHiser]

"Nice, now that was pretty easy...." *narrows-eyes*

[@szakul001]

So glad you are back. And right in time for MAYshuggah!

[@dmytrotsvyntarnyi799]

11:59 this one's actually perfectly symmetrical if you count the last 4-s as [ 4+(2+2)+4 ]. So, the last 4 not just ends the first appearance of the riff, but also begins the second one. 2+2 tied between the "measures"

[@man_in_space]

13:13 - The back half of the first line is XXOOXXXOOXX. This can be rendered 2-3-2. The back half of the second line is 3-2-3 by this reasoning. Other than that, that first X on the first line is the makeup for the first line being short a beat-the first parts are otherwise identical.

[@iseeu-fp9po]

I'm so happy you're back to help uncover the mysteries that are Meshuggah's rhythms for us.

[@MCRedstoneFR]

Glad to have you back ! For the guitar solo #1 part at 9:22 the pattern you noted 4343' 3'4'34 3'4'43 43'4'43 with ' being the accents. I tried to rewrite it and thought I would share this other logic I found. 4 3 4 3' 3' 4' 3 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase is the one above but 3 and 4s are swapped. Also it sounds like after those 3 accents in the first phrase, this is a new phrase. 4 3' 4' 4 3 -> this phrase just repeats what's above from the 2nd group and the accents are at the same places. I don't know if I'm seeing patterns where there aren't though :') Thank you for the video !

[@OmiP42]

Ah man that 4 song stretch from Marrow to Demiurge on Koloss is just epic

[@smileyman8866]

MAYSHUGGAH 2024 WELCOME BACK!!

[@YogevGabay]

THANKS !!

[@АртемПимкин-в3и]

We absolutely need some Vildhjarta! Welcome back :)

[@tobiasschmuecking4958]

HOOOOOORAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! YAGEV you are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed you and your extraordinary interstellar content!

[@YogevGabay]

YYYYYEEEEESSSSSSS

[@samuliroenkkoe]

Welcome back! I've sorely missed your videos.

[@SeanTBarrett]

Maybe it's just coincidence, but the verse "5 5 5 3 5", the shortened 3 causes the next 5 to start on beat 1 of the last group of 4 measures of 4/4. In gtr solo #1 section, all three lines are palindromes, but the way you grouped "3443 43443" obscured that. The second phrase of gtr solo #1 might be the palindrome "4 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 4" plus a final 4 to finish out the 4/4. However I suspect there's something going on mirror-wise with the melody which might apply to first phrase and not second phrase, so maybe not. I'd have to write out the pitches to make sense of it. The x-o section can be broken down into palindromes several ways, but I dunno, again maybe coincidence. The first line could be: x o x o - o x o x x o o x - x - x o o x x or x o x o - o x o x x o o x - x - x o o x x The second line is just: o x o - o x o x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x Oh, if we just look at the last palindrome phrase of both lines, it's: x x - o o - x x x - o o - x x (1st line) x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x (2nd line) i.e. they're the same but swapping the "x x" and "x x x", which is unlikely to be a coincidence. In fact, the second phrase of guitar solo 1 is basically the same pattern. So my final analysis to show as much in common between both would be: your 1st line: x o x o - o x o x x - o o - x x x - o o - x x your 2nd line: o x o - o x o x x x - o o - x x - o o - x x x and that's definitely not a coincidence. Given all the other palindromes, and the stranded "x" at the beginning of the post-gtr-solo, I'd say your idea for the final section to split the 4 into "1+3" is appropriate. Grouping each 4+3 as a "y" (and then y is 3+4 in the second half), I believe it's yyy 4 yy 4 yy 3 1 3 yy 4 yy 4 yyy y

[@lyoug]

Reeeally good insights! Looking for even more palindromes might be a nice lead to follow

[@drumkidstu]

Good stuff man!

[@pseudonymeantipersonnelle2190]

Erf, you beat me by 2 hours 😅

[@YogevGabay]

OHHHHHHH YYEEESSSS wow ! I completely missed these options! You sir, need to make a new and better MARROW video ! The options are endless, all I have are guesses.

[@mattwhite399]

Great video! At first I thought it was just too hard and random, but then I remembered the intro to In Death Is Life and, even worse, the middle third of In Death Is Death. Both are staples of their live set list! I can’t believe they wouldn’t play Marrow live because of detuning. That’s a common effect (these days), just not for Meshuggah songs. Why? Why won’t they play the song?!?

[@facepalmjesus1608]

yeah i noticed the reason i was struggling to play the song on guitar because of the tuning thing. i was totally confused...now you ve solved the mystery! ty!

[@ajibonnn]

One thing is certain about Meshuggah : the more you know, the more you don't

[@mathprodigy]

You know the Meshuggah subReddit goes wild every time you do a video. Your work is amazing, God bless you brother, a service to the community!

[@Mokidekey]

Hands down the best Music explanations on youtube. Cant wait for more Car Bomb.

[@metalmusictheory5401]

Really sick work, welcome back! I never realized how much this song does the classic thing of being almost a pattern but not quite, just enough to drive a person crazy.

[@GillamtheGreatest]

the smooth top numbers man returns to sooth us with numbers man

[@greueb]

The little numbered circles are great for analyzing the song structure rhythmically. It would be cool to transcribe the actual rhythm being played directly too.

[@moranrr1]

Awesome breakdown! So good to have you back with us just in time for the best month of the year - Mayshuggah.

[@tacetjackalmighty]

Wonderfully informative video as always! Does your guitar buddy have a tutorial video on how he gets that tasty rhythm tone out of the Fortin Plugin?

[@ricky.groppi]

I don’t have one out as of now, but I can definitely make one!

[@PenguinMan-dr3iu]

Been waiting since Halloween of 2022 for this

[@YogevGabay]

Well, I'm happy you stuck around !

[@НиколайПодковко-ь5ж]

Только посмотрите, кто вернулся! Just look who's back!

[@maple.everything]

I'm glad you're back, man. I haven't understood Meshuggah for about a year and now suddenly I can!

[@barneyrubin6250]

Welcome back Achi!

[@Hail_Hydreigon]

I remember the vid that went around back in the day of someone who put Marrow over a KPop group practicing a dance routine. Good times.

[@galielkarmi995]

המלך חזר🥁🥁🥁🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@goody8504]

I can't imagine trying to learn a song this way. I just listen to it enough that my brain memorizes the rhythms. It's definitely not random. The outro riff, for instance, breaks down into 4 different riffs repeated, in order, until the song ends.

[@TBAGZPROUT]

YESSSSSSSS the master is back!!!!

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

YOGEV! YOU HAVE DELIVERED AGAIN MY FRIEND!

[@cclark3564]

the subdivision thing might really deserve a video all on its own! I have watched a bunch of your videos, esp the meshuggah ones, but I still struggle to do my own subdivision planning in my music; I'm not great at theory in general, but you always break it down right in the sweet spot between confusion and understanding. perhaps it could help others as well to see how one might conceive a new riff and achieve something meshuggah-like/inspired by using subdivisions creatively.

[@wub5753]

So glad to have you back! Much love ❤

[@gregduveau]

I have started to listen to Meshuggah without counting anymore, and I see a lot of benefits !!!! But thaaaaank you for these explanations which are always good to know. Saw them in Bilbao, March 2024. Legends.

[@wimmeltje]

This content is amazing. Thx so much 🫶🏻

[@Zeinzu2]

@9:35 Great explanation like always. I'll take whatever you got, because it helps me alot when breaking down these CRAZY riffs!!!

[@jayflexi]

i'm sure this has already been mentioned but the second half of the riff for post guitar solo #2 is just a repeat of the first half starting from the first short note and adding the long note to the end of the phrase!

[@idod87]

I'm soooo happy you're back!!! also portnoy is back to dream theater (wink wink)

[@willkrosis9077]

Yogev nice job on this monster as always. Confusion is good when the song wants confusion. BTW... There's a drumcam video of Eloy Casagrande playing Marrow without triggers on yt that may give some ppl a stroke or a panic attack so be cautious XD

[@justisjustis]

Yogev, this channel is incredible. You’ve flipped how to count and comprehend rhythm. If you could please outline what the accent beats will be while also illuminating them as they pass, that would be helped to follow for me!

[@underscorerx]

that is the nicest clickbait i've been subjected to. glad to see you back

[@flanger001]

When the world needed him, he returned!

[@CheddarGetter]

praise be! May comes again!

[@marianthiemakropoulou3877]

Great analysis, the numbers make it so much easier to navigate this song, thank you so much! This is probably too much nerding but here we go: when trying to find a pattern, it helps following the accents. Meshuggah are known for cutting their patterns short at their beginning and/or ending, and consequently adding/skipping beats in a -sometimes- random manner. Additionally, there are often main "melodic" aspects in a riff, followed/surrounded by "filler"-like beats or patterns, that work like rests (Meshuggah rarely have those, they tend to have lower ostinato notes instead). With that in mind here is how I analysed the last riff: Main (accented) pattern+ 7 (with one exception where the 2nd line misses a 3 which is supplemented in the next repetition) 4 3 4 + 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 4 + 3 3 4 3 4 + 3 4 4 3 4 + 3 4 4 3 4 + 3 4 3 4 + 3 4 There is sort of a mirror if you look the "filler" beats on the first 4 lines (3443,4334) but maaaybe we are (I am) reading too much into this. The solo 1 can be analysed in a similar way: main (accented) + 10 4 + 3 4 3 2 4 2 + 3 4 3 4 + 3 4 3 2 4 2 + 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 4 (exception- the last accented 4 of the mirror) main (accented)+ 7 3 3 4 + 3 4 3 4 4 + 3 4 3 4 + 4 3 Hope this is doesn't bring further confusion haha!

[@sramredd9856]

OMG, I've been waiting for a video from you for a LONG time. Welcome back. Hope all is well.

[@quilan1]

Heck yeah, glad to have you back! I'd been periodically checking every few months to see if a new video notice slipped through the cracks, so imagine my joy when this came up.

[@educostanzo]

You can make these video about each and every song Meshuggah ever wrote and I'd still watch all of them, even without understanding half of what you explain

[@Tachikoma39]

so good to see bart and nolly supporting you on patreon respect

[@divinasi0n]

And even ur mom.

[@YogevGabay]

Bro imagine how I felt when I saw it. I was floored!

[@KoRNeRd]

I feel the marrow intro as a bulgarian rachenitza (7/8) with the occasional fill at the end of the cycle to close to the 4/4 drums. That's how you dance on it anyway :), the one two threee, one two threee, one two threeee. The drumming and guitar accents are very similar to that style (rachenitza)

[@wimmeltje]

Love the collab too, awesome content

[@Esko354]

The explanation you gave about the numbers representing the duration of the groups that divide the riff is in perfect alliance with the intuition I gained from watching your videos, which helped me unlock the extra brain cells needed to actually count the songs by myself. Since you hadn't explained it in plain words before this video, I was thinking about commenting on the way the numbers represent duration ( independently of how that duration is expressed via stops or dotted notes or whatever ), but I thought it would sound confusing. After gaining this intuition, all I usually do is create small groups of 2/3/4/5 16th notes and slowly correct my way to the completion of the riff. Needless to say, you showed me a new way of listening to music and helped me appreciate even more the genius of Meshuggah! You are a great content creator with great intuition that can be transfered to others, which is a rare thing to do. Cheers mate! Wish you the best and I hope that the thing you don't want to talk about evolves to the best possible scenario.

[@johncarlos2196]

we missed you!!

[@DannyJ_bass]

This song has been on my "to do cover list" for a very long time. Might be forced to approach it now 😊 great video!

[@le0_fx]

hey, great analysis! since i learned this song myself for a cover, I found some patterns and would love to explain what I think I've found :D post GTR solo #2 is the same as post GTR solo #1, but the second row/phrase of post GTR #2 is the first phrase with slight variation: starts on the second 'brick' of the first phrase, like if the last X is already the first brick of the variied repetition. then they just switch the XX and the XXX, e voila, this is the pattern! exactly the same happens in the outro riff - two times the (almost same) phrase, but the second one starts on the last X of the first one and, thereby, actually starts on the second brick of the first phrase. then switches XX and XXX. lit shit they're doing here! oh, and it CAN be played live. I did it ;) just automate pitch shift. cheers!

[@chrono5108]

Didn't think I'd see another one of these!

[@amelialiu-flowers3340]

Glad to see you back!

[@spaggio]

So glad you're back

[@ti83magic]

Welcome back, hope you're ok!

[@Dark_Aves]

I've missed your channel. Welcome back homie

[@marioguarini]

we missed you to mess up our minds, welcome back Yogev, the best is yet to come

[@DiogoSilva-ld7we]

Liked that "terra incognita" post it. Looking forward to some more Gojira analysis as well :D

[@pendiculator]

Gojira are cool as heck, but a little bird told me the post-it refers to a different terra incognita (by Mattias Eklundh). I highly encourage checking out the video (featuring a familiar pair of rhythm counting hands).

[@DiogoSilva-ld7we]

@@pendiculator oh ok Nice, love Mattias, thanks for the tip :)

[@evancaulk7692]

i love when you did the fills on the cardboard drums

[@VoxMonstra]

13:10 the pattern that I see is 2 phrases that have been mirrored, then concatenated. But there is a missing X at the end of the first phrase (or an extra X at the very end depending on how you look at it). "X O X O O X O X X O O X" was mirrored with an X to be the center, then an "X X X O O X" that has also been mirrored right after.

[@twaltmusic]

Amazing breakdown, much appreciate it. This is only my long list of meshuggah songs to learn. Haha "we're not going to talk about it" 😂 glad to see you're back and hope you're well

[@Stoufferthecat]

YOGEV! You're back you beautiful, beautiful man. We've missed you. Hope you're doing well.

[@IBHID]

So glad to see you back! One of the best creators on KZbin.

[@alexeypolevoybass]

So glad you're back. There's so much bullshit musical contents nowadays, your channel has always been a gulp of fresh air to me. Keep on rocking!

[@YogevGabay]

Man, this means so much, I can't even tell you. Seriously, thank you thank you !

[@coloripple]

super hyped for Mayshuggah! if I remember correctly, it might have been Rob Scallon's Mayshuggah Shovel cover during Maytallica way back that introduced me to this incredible band!

[@markop.1994]

I suspect its not random... maybe its just because ive listened to it so many times but i get the impression that theres some coherent logic to this. I mean like you said that fill is too good. one of the heaviest moments of all time even.

[@OfficiallyMaidenless]

Soul Burn would be another really cool one to dive into. The way that song opens up always fools me into thinking it's just a straight up Pantera Groove Metal track, and then it gets a lil whacky :P

[@jkol323]

Bravo as always homie 👏👏👏

[@dompetro]

This has always been a favorite of mine since its release. Used to listen on repeat until I got it down, that drum solo in the middle was fun 😅. Great to have you back Yogev!!!!

[@theparadoxwithin232]

Amazing video as always Yogev! I find really easy to understand the number (beat) blocks that you use for visual representation. It really helps following along and just shows how creative Meshuggah are when it comes to wrritting riffs. Really enjoyed this video, thank you so much for your effort! Also shoutout to mr. Riccardo on the guitar. Learning this must've taken quite some time

[@YogevGabay]

Oh that's great to hear, I'n happy ! And yes, Riccardo KILLED it, he's the man !

[@jacobbharrat7115]

Glad to see your back!! Missed the breakdowns man, Fr

[@CascadianExotics]

Not all heroes wear capes!! Great to have you back, my friend!!!

[@eliasantes]

As always it was an enjoyable vid to watch, thanks for the clarification on 9:37, and once again awesome content man cheers from Argentina 🇦🇷

[@YogevGabay]

Thanks Elias !

[@risaadthemerchant5142]

I’m so confused, I discovered your channel yesterday and was sad that you didn’t upload in a year, but less than a day later you dropped this banger of a video. Congrats!

[@wren4077]

YOU CAME BACK. missed you