You Are SUPPOSED To Hate This Show - VELMA

[@UpperEchelon]

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[@mightyraptor01]

You like Scooby Doo Echelon? As before I watch your video. And also Im just gonna say it, Hollywood just doesn't want to take risks anymore yet they need that Money just like DSP begging for money.

[@nnickplays9713]

Do you think this show might have been written by an AI? Then later edited by humans?

[@Rainos62]

they also removed several animated series before velmas release. also thats if it can keep the momentum and i dont think it will keep the momentum because once its time in the sun is done which will probably be very fast it will die a quick and brutal death. i mean they cancelled inside job season 2 while it was in this production i dont think this show is safe. it may be 1 but hbo max has been shooting themselves in the foot constantly and i think the totality of things catches up with you in the end.

[@TwistedMe13]

I don't believe any of your audience actually hates Velma-- we mock this dogs**t for a fleeting moment and then ignore it for the rest of time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHnYnJJngMtpfMk

[@Porphyrogenitus1]

This channel plays for keeps!

[@bandit6272]

I don't "hate" it, I "nothing" it. It deserves as much regard as an incomprehensible scribble on a bathroom stall door. Let these un-creative narcissists wallow in indifference.

[@rydogxyz]

exactly, the response they deserve is indifference. No hate, no congratulations, but maybe a little bit of air you can hear coming out of the nose.

[@bandit6272]

@R D Kinda. A little more like "Trolls? What trolls?" >looks at watch "Excuse me, I have something to do" >leaves 😂

[@bandit6272]

@@rydogxyz 😂 exactly Narcissists hate being disregarded above all else.

[@Asstronut]

And yet here you are, commenting about it anyway

[@rancat2731]

Maybe just a little lawsuit...

[@TotalBlackoutPainting]

You don't stop a trend by hating it. You stop it by ignoring it. Being irrelevant is the true death of media.

[@namenlosNamenlos]

💯

[@asitallfallsdown5914]

You can hate it and should view it with utter contempt. Doesn't mean you should give it attention let alone give them views.

[@kouignzz]

correct

[@danielyoung_]

Exactly. I don't watch new film releases anymore, as there is so much great, slightly older movies and TV shows out there, that still hold up today.

[@gkagara]

You should pirate the shietshow

[@jprsfragoso]

It's one of 4: - They made it intentionally for you to hate it. - They made it as a parody, not realizing that they were the joke - They pulled a rings of power, making it "for modern audiences", and live in such a bubble, that they actually thought they were making good content. - They made it for themselves, and don't care about anything else All of them don't work in the long term. All of them end in apathy

[@wordswordswords24]

Most likely either the first or fourth one. It has been stated that the show was intended to be something else, but HBO wouldn't let it go through unless it was about Scooby Doo, after that the writers either said "let's show them by making a terrible show so we can make the thing we really want!" or "eh, whatever, let's keep writing what we were already making but with new names and faces"

[@GioSerpo]

It's exactly the opposite, but in a way, similar to what is happening with the Hogwarts Legacy video game. Let me explain. A certain group of people absolutely hate the owner of the Harry Potter, IP, which should be obvious. They've gained over a million people in a boycott against said video game, except, them talking about it and giving it free publicity is causing it to be the best selling game on Steam AND Xbox, and the SECOND best selling game on Playstation... It don't come out for another month. This show does have a target audience, it's a small but extremely loud group. Normal people hating this show is getting it publicity and viewership, even though it is bad publicity. The group that this show is for absolutely hate J. K. Rowling, and in trying to cancel a Harry Potter game, have given it publicity and sales. Completely opposite circumstances, same outcome. It should be a well established and known pattern at this point. Hate sales. It sucks, but it's true. If you can drum up hate about something, that hate will boil and fester into publicity. Then you're golden. This isn't even the first time it's happened. Time and time again. Look at ANY EA Sports game. All the hate they get every time they pull more of their anti-consumer garbage just equates to sales. I guess this was just a long form way of saying that they intentionally made it to be hated. And the sad thing is, I don't see this trend stopping soon.

[@DuoXCity]

I'm leaning towards the fourth one. For no other reason than it seems the natural course for Office alumni was to become self indulgent uber-egos.

[@unixtreme]

@@GioSerpo sounds speculative and wrong. Nobody really gives a shit and watches TV shows witch checklists, and nobody ticks the "inclusion checkboxes" while making shows. This show is clearly made in such a way that if you find yourself watching it and thinking it's a result of a political agenda you are too far up your own ass to understand you've been radicalized. And it works on both sides too, the "anti-sjw cromagnons" and the "sjw soy-boys".

[@GioSerpo]

@@unixtreme I've not watched it, I have no intentions of watching it, however, you sir, are wrong. Believe it or not, Hollywood execs really do check inclusion check boxes. Look at the inclusion requirements for the Oscars, which require any movie or show that wants to be nominated to meet inclusion criteria. You are heavily misinformed my friend.

[@dagrynch]

If you can't identify a target audience, it's the writers they wrote it for themselves

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Good take.

[@Nigel1Powers]

Yes. The writers and producers. Hollywood. But dont think more about it. You will notice a pattern and will get angry.

[@laurabie7792]

yeah , this is basically high guardian spice but for "adults"

[@demetronix]

Maybe the target audience is everyone. The goal of the show is not for the target audience to like it but to hate it. That's the point of the video.

[@grantstratton2239]

I think the writers actually think they are writing the next "South Park." Be as wildly transgessive as possible to reach a large initial audience, then capture a following of people who stay because it's funny or they like the social commentary, etc. I don't know that it's going to work, but it has worked before.

[@kyoken8691]

Narcissists prefer to be loved, but if they can't they're fine settling for being hated or feared. But what they don't want is to be ignored. This is the problem with why Velma is trending, people aren't ignoring it.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Fair. Yeah they can have power over others that way, which is validation for them.

[@PepperKatLancer]

give them time they will . this is a flash in the pan really.

[@ardendragoon]

Just because people are talking about it. Doesn't mean they are watching it.

[@giahuynguyenkim6389]

Make it a week before this is dead.

[@redguy2489]

Everyone is a narcissists including you. the statements on this show are forms of expressions. even if it makes the audience uncomfortable. white people usually love offensive, ego death art, but this is the first time its not shitting on an arbitrary force of authority but specifically inconsiderate white people. and nothing hurts white people more than words.

[@danson4774]

people: "it is the worst show i've ever seen" velma: "but you saw it"

[@umairhassan4061]

Velma: "ah but you *have* seen it"

[@pawpotsRS]

we saw it but never watch it it's crap anyway

[@incrediblehobson8479]

Yeah I watched it 🏴‍☠️☠️🏴‍☠️

[@BlueWoWTaylan]

Naah, didn't even bother watching it. Enough 'clips' out there to act as 'stay away' warnings.

[@ticktockbam]

Thankfully we have all these KZbin channel telling us how bad of a show it is so we don't have to watch the whole thing by ourselves 😎🤘

[@patrykpatty5835]

Remember, no hate watching

[@JWZRD23]

This part! We have to let the KZbinrs just watch it and get this thing canceled with terrible ratings

[@tech1238]

👌 never

[@RafitoOoO]

people who hate watch are stupid lol

[@teaguejelinek4038]

Also remember, no watching hate watching. That contributes too!

[@samgoff5289]

The show makes it pretty easy to avoid....

[@SpitshineSneakers]

I mean yes, rageclicks is a proven strategy, but at the same time, I think Mindy is too much of a narcissist to deliberately make a terrible show that's designed to be hated. Incompetence and arrogance on the part of the writers and cowardice/apathy on the part of the license holders just seem like a more likely explanation

[@danielconti2383]

Based!

[@TOUGHEYES]

All that needs to be done is have someone convince her that it was still a viable subversion of the beloved franchise, and have someone else on her writing team tell her that everything would be alright, as they just made it a focalising vector of everyone's disgust and hatred. They're stepping up their efforts to ignore people saying "No Hate Watching." They're going for broke to completely unravel everything people love.

[@TornadicTitan17]

as they say "never assign malice to what can be explained by incompetence"

[@totallynotsarcastic7392]

​@@TornadicTitan17 "never attribute to incompetence that which is sufficiently explained by malice" is way more accurate tbh

[@deezy2k1]

After hearing about She Hulk and how far that show got away from existing source material, I can see this show also being hated simply because it’s made to be hated

[@Brian-rx9sp]

Basically what I said when the trailer dropped. The showrunners and production staff weren't being dumb, tone-deaf or unaware when they made this show. They know exactly what they're doing and what reaction they're trying to provoke out of people. The only winning move is not to play.

[@cakenbake844]

One thing is clear and that is the showrunners being racist.

[@Caty15]

nah the winning move is piracy

[@BlackSun404]

I GOT THAT REFERENCE

[@stielimusterman3066]

I‘m still proud that I didn‘t fall for Disney‘s "Star Wars“ sequels, like so many other fans did...

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

@@Caty15 It's not even worth pirating this smegma mess..

[@defiante1]

If there weren't so many videos of people talking about Velma, I wouldn't of even known it was out. People advertise what they don't like more than what they like.

[@tired5]

Outrage culture my friend. It's everywhere. It pays.

[@grantkeller4634]

If you have KZbin ads on it’s promoted endlessly

[@dachel683]

@Confusion Pouch it most definitely is, that isn't to say the criticism isn't t fair, it is. This just was made to as hateable as possible

[@cordyceps182]

Just because I know it exists doesn't mean I'm going to watch it. Hell, all of the reviews I've seen have just completely destroyed any chance that I would.

[@AyumuNarumi75]

@@grantkeller4634 That's not true for me. I only get ads for Velma when I watch videos hating on Velma, so the haters are the ones advertising the show.

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

Mindy isn’t concerned about MeToo because she herself kissed an actor without his consent and proceeded to joke about it on live television. Not to mention her giving a very creepy personal account of approaching teenagers and interviewing them about their sex lives as research material.

[@babyjiren9676]

seems about right for a twitter progressive have yet to find one that isn’t a ped0phile

[@ChronoSquare]

That's extremely gross at best and likely very close to the truth, unfortunate as that implication is.

[@transcendentsacredcourage]

She lucky dude didn't slap her like Will Smith.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

The real info. Anyway how r u guys feeling about capitalism now? lol Shows like this coming out. What if they make a career off of hate watchers? Like how corporations are incentivized to reduce costs to make their quarterly reports look investable? Even if it means not meeting demand so enabling competition to profit more? And this brings up trend towards monopoly too. And lets be honest, if its some shitbait, its got more interesting than simply never knowing enough to form curiosity. And doesn't it take one to know one, this youtuber thinks this logicis sound because they enable hate themselves.

[@necro4258]

@@mimszanadunstedt441 Your english is too broken to understand as it is

[@QueenSyndel]

On the bright side because of this show I went back to watch the older shows and they were just as good as I remember I felt like I was 10 years old again.

[@carbonstar9091]

It's like a giant projection of every failed relationship and daddy issue the creator has. Many such cases.

[@thedrunkenrebel]

the whole production team seems to be love starved and adopted skinny bullied surplus kids

[@MitsyWuzHere]

Sure bud

[@brettpid6416]

@@MitsyWuzHere bud sure

[@redguy2489]

ok probably true, but i think theres millions of colored/white women who grew up romanticizing white guy romance in the media we grow up on but have recurring shitty experiences and now we are in the resentful era where white men dont know how to handle being shitted on. thats the effect velma is trying to shoot, womens broken dreams of a white knight. oh, and the only cool white guy is now black😂, adding extra sting to the punch to white guys egos.

[@streetside2833]

Fred was always the leader of the group. He had morals and generally did what was right for the group. He never treated anybody like a lesser but he wasn't perfect, he got scared sometimes like the rest of them but he always remained solid. Also I'm pretty sure Daphne was always the rich spoilt girl but she wasn't mean and unlikable. Look how they massacred my boy...

[@andrewpolito9244]

He was also intelligent, trap making was his specialty. So a guy who cant cut a steak became a master builder in just a few years?

[@-SteampunkTraveler-]

I loved fred the most.

[@ethereal2620]

The opposite of love isnt hate, but indifference. Hate is in fact a twisted kind of attachment. So, the worst you can do to a show is to disregard it.

[@christofferandersen1906]

just a funny sidenote to this. In buddhism the idea of altruistic love is described as a type of indifference. To truly love something you must let go of controlling it in any way, because control is the lacking of acceptance.

[@Wolffur]

Perhaps that was Mindy's idea. She knows that she couldn't write a good script, so she deliberately wrote something that people would hate. Views are views, after all.

[@Immolator772]

indifference is not caring, wtf you talking about. Hate is exactly the opposite of love.

[@lloydlim1055]

​@@Immolator772 Both hate and love are a form attachment you put on a person or something, indifference is the lack thereof. So it's correct to say love opposite is indifference, similar to how hate opposite is indifference, as in the opposite of attachment.

[@Immolator772]

@@lloydlim1055 hate attachment is called taboo.

[@Casavo]

I figure your right. My friends wanted me to watch it with them to see "how bad it really is". I refused and they were just blown away by that. I told them in no uncertain terms "you can't pay me enough to make up for that wasted time".

[@Ramsey276one]

Smart choice

[@Casavo]

@@Nopeasaurus you say to give attention to things we love , well I love this channel and thus give UE my views even on videos about subjects I care not for.

[@TheOriginal_Unaleska]

@@Nopeasaurus give your money/views to the reviewers not the show makers. Remember if people watch the show "just to see how bad it is" it gives the show-makers the idea that their show is good and keep making this trash. But support the youtuber and watch their video because they deserve it.

[@DarkstarArchangel]

Or pirate it.

[@cibby6155]

"W0T M8 u don't want to watch a bad tv show wtf!!!"

[@wakaneut]

Finally, someone who knows how it works. I've been saying this since Rings of Power, Willow, Blood Origins, etc etc. Don't watch these shows even if you wanna "hate watch" it for a laugh. They don't care about ratings, they just want high viewership, and they know in order to get high viewership in woke shows, they're counting on the hate views to get it. Just ignore their existence.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

What do they need high viewership for?

[@bdhale34]

@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е For Ratings... because High Viewership is what drives ratings...

[@VitalVampyr]

@@bdhale34 Ratings and viewership are the same thing. There's no obvious benefit to high ratings for a show on a subscription-based service. It's not like they have ad slots to sell.

[@stielimusterman3066]

Reminds me of the supermarkets in my country, that try make it look like, they sell vegan meat substitute successfully, by giving it away for free at the checkout. It‘s all for the sake of enhancing statistics.

[@Aryan_Karadkar]

Velma is supposed to be based on the writer Mindy Kaling. And she studied Latin in an Ivy League school and has the opportunity to take control of a million dollar show and complains about her situation

[@AzureRoxe]

The typical rich girl who swears she has it hard when she has it better than 99.9% of humanity.

[@Ricky_Spanishh]

Latin lol. So she was always planning to be useless

[@SuperCatacata]

@@Ricky_Spanishh She may be useless, but she's also privileged enough to be a millionaire. Due to the exposure The Office gave her. So she's had that silver spoon since she was very young. Edit: Her mom was a Doctor, and her dad was an architect. Yeah, she's really had a hard life. lmao

[@saltycat662]

@@SuperCatacata Funny how she wasn't woke when she helped write for the show. Now she complains about everything.

[@TheTGOAC]

@@saltycat662 Didn't she slap Michael Scott for being racist? The Office was relatively progressive, but it probably wouldn't get made today, that's how crazy shit's gotten.

[@TheMalcontentPole]

I bet the backlash makes Mindy and the rest of creators feel SO GOOD because they can immediately ignore the evidence, blame the audience and move the discussion to a RACIAL PLACE.

[@TheMalcontentPole]

@@ArDeeMee According to showrunners, only people accusing the show are racist as fuck 😂

[@tired5]

Yup

[@dragonriderabens9761]

said it before and I'll say it again: that is the real reason for the race swapping whenever it happens it isn't because "mah diversitay" it's a scapegoat, something to deflect any and all criticism away from and the Twatter mob eats it up every damn time

[@xWhackoJacko]

They design these kinds of shows with that phalanx level defense in mind. If shit goes sour, just blame it on white toxic males or some kind of -ists and -phobes, blah blah. Just make a buzzword salad and whisk the problems away.

[@grantkeller4634]

Which is a cowards way of arguing. I’m half Indian and it looks like shit to me. Just another generic adult cartoon that follows all the same tired beats and jokes we’ve seen and heard a dozen times before.

[@jobidrumkenobi]

The fact that Mindy went from The Office, which was legendary comedic gold and challenged every media narrative, to creating this…. “In the end…. We all shall fall” -Dwight Schrute

[@bigdreams5554]

The Office was overrated. And it enabled these crap shows.

[@cakenbake844]

She is simply said a racist, there's no way you can create something like this and not be racist.

[@NeroLeMorte]

@@bigdreams5554 this.

[@dejuanhickman734]

Just keep her white?

[@NeroLeMorte]

@@dejuanhickman734 as opposed to making her hispanic , romani , polynesian or egyptian instead?

[@eduardopena5893]

This is a self insert character with a show built around it. Period. This isn't a show that was designed for you to hate. It is a show for a narcissist that doesn't care if you hate it because they personally think it is the best thing ever.

[@mr.outlaw231]

I have my own hypothesis that relates more to higher management. I remember the news about multiple cartoon shows being dropped on HBO Max. And now a show with so much dislike comes around? I call that suspicious. I think, at least on the executive level, the show was approved so it could fail. If Velma fails, HBO Max executives could say, "See. Adults don't *really* want cartoons. Let's never fund a single one again." What their end goal is escapes me, but I imagine downsizing is a part of it.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

That actually makes kinda sense. I can totally imagine HBO execs allowing this to be made so it inevitably fails (right now it might be viral, but things that go viral due to hate hype tend to crater off instantly once the hype dies down) in order to justify to investors the shelving of properties like Scooby Doo to refocus on other kinds of properties. And it's pretty clear the current execs at WB have absolutely no respect for their old animation properties.

[@maus0liam]

Just like Disney

[@FireyDeath4]

That's scary. I suppose next they'll assume all cartoons are for children so a bunch of trolls can make them watch disturbing and adult cartoons, right?

[@jesusramos3426]

Tbh they copied harly queen

[@emeraldiontut2401]

This show is so bad that it’s going into conspiracy theory territory

[@un-bear-able8722]

I wholeheartedly believe that a more adult version of mystery Incorporated could be an absolute slam dunk. That show was absolutely incredible, and all of the characters had different flaws and characteristics shown that could have been made into more adult conflicts.

[@androogalt]

Hollywood has a plan, they tank IPs until sales drop...then re-reboot with a higher quality product. It means double the profit. IP goodwill means the "heel" will succeed and create buzz. Thirst to see the heel beaten and replaced by a "face". Kayfabe media product. You can also push agendas and create villains to split society. Clear cut You even suggested a face product that they are basically marketing with Velma as the heel. Mystery Inc. Could almost be fail proof being the follow up to such a despised reboot

[@foremanhaste5464]

Exactly! I originally thought this would be a 'Rick and Morty'-ified version of Scooby-Doo. That could be pretty funny.

[@elfascisto6549]

Velma was very obnoxious in that show

[@apexredacted2877]

I do like how Mindy is projecting herself into Freds character though.

[@firstsonofthesea7938]

@natmarelnam4871they did the same thing to Robin in Teen Titans go took a strong leader and made him a joke

[@Zeburaman2005]

@natma relnam The mental gymnastics are on a whole other level in this one.

[@CherryPauper]

Imagine a show about Scooby Doo minus everything that made Scooby Doo good.

[@averageinternetguy1614]

Not even scooby doo himself

[@2023PerfectDark]

Velma's name is in the title, last time I checked "Velma" isn't Scooby-Doo? That's like being upset that The Cleveland show doesn't have Brian and Stewie in it.

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@2023PerfectDark I’m sorry, but you cannot make a show about the Scooby Doo characters without Scooby Doo.

[@2023PerfectDark]

@@gamingmoyai3950 I never watched it for Scooby-Doo, I never cared about him. I watch it for everybody else including him, except for the series when Scrappy-Doo is around cuz I hate the shit out of him.

[@grantkeller4634]

@perfectdark2023 RUH ROH RAGGY

[@Runescythe9852]

I’ve refused to watch a lot of media these days without getting some sort of insight from things like reviews and detailed analysis breaking them down. A long time ago, I wouldn’t flinch at watching movies at random because if they were bad, they were still somewhat entertaining because of the teams attempt at storytelling. Those days are sadly gone

[@moistquasar3572]

Velma is the biggest psyop in Hollywood since 2016 ghostbusters

[@LikaLaruku]

Discovery & Picard.

[@gamingmoyai3950]

2016 ghostbusters was better than this shit, I’d know, I watched both

[@BigHighWarGodBandos]

@@gamingmoyai3950 i fear for you mental health having gone through that...are you like ok?

[@anwylhsm954]

Clearly you haven't watched the new Willow series, then. 😬

[@moistquasar3572]

@@anwylhsm954 what I mean is Velma was made to get the amount of attention it’s getting on purpose. Willow is terrible because of normal reasons.

[@julianyoung3705]

Good memories from scooby doo thankfully they'll never be tarnished as I'm never watching Velma

[@matt291]

Same

[@BurrosSWE]

Yup same here. TBH i would not have watched it even if folks loved it.

[@raidchaser443]

Don't have HBO Max. Not getting it because of THIS :race bending characters for f3minist setups,Fred being a douche,Norville "Shaggy" Rogers also being black,Daphne being a princess...this is going to BOMB...

[@infectio88]

Shaggy somehow turning into the ultimate simp for velma also makes no sense

[@brigandboy1425]

Tony Stark: "So your plan was to make [everyone] angry?" Velma: Tony Stark: "Not a great plan."

[@the48thhawk74]

But it worked. The joke is literally on us.

[@misakathememetic9268]

I guess having zero time to waste watching even mediocre shows or less is a blessing in disguise for me.

[@ohkage]

Correct. There are many forces out there right now aimed at weaponizing your emotions for the sake of their bottom line. Being indifferent or being completely ignorant of it to begin with will save you some mental space.

[@blumagikdragon3078]

Same here.. I spend all my free time gaming. Fuck tv and TV shows all together 🤣

[@cicadaknight3048]

@@blumagikdragon3078 EXCEPT for (most) of Adult Swim stuff. Only tv shows I watch. Everything else sucks a comically large amount of dick.

[@FLINTZ]

I have to say, even though the show is awful, Mindy Kaling is a genius. I agree with Sanc and his theory about this. To piss off both the cultist left and right political spectrums (thankfully I'm neither of these) in order for people to hate watch it AND successfully get a season renewal is absolute genius. I gotta give credit where it's due (even though I will NEVER watch this trash)!

[@FLINTZ]

@@louiepooh1510 From a psychological point of view, it is. Don't mistake this as a positive thing towards the show itself because it's garbage. But the production team is smart and I have to hand it to them.

[@ArkyonVeil]

Personally, being intentionally made to be hate-able kind of takes away the fun out of tearing it apart. If anything, It's pitiful, like a vandal screaming for attention. Their creative will so weak they can only destroy and offend, unable to create anything new.

[@loboneiner1034]

This is Scooby Doo as if Meg from Family Guy wrote it

[@grungeisdead8998]

Exquisitely said

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

And that’s why “SHUT UP MEG!” is a thing

[@chanze555]

I swear if Homelander had a Clark Kent alter ego it would be this version of Fred.

[@mr420quickscops2]

I haven't seen Velma but I feel like this is on the nose I could definitely see him not knowing how to eat food properly hahaha

[@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917]

@@mr420quickscops2 He would just lasering it after rage quit

[@JanbluTheDerg]

Remember: It's only the most watched animated show on HBO Max because it is the only animated show on HBO Max

[@whitemagus2000]

People might hate watch the first couple episodes, but I can't imagine much more than that.

[@kempolar9768]

If comments on crunchy roll have shown me anything, people are more than willing to watch an entire 24 episode season and hate it the whole time. Not even joking "hate" they were being genuine.

[@sirc1446]

Nah,haven't watched even the trailer.

[@716_ハディくん]

@kempolar anime and hate watching culture is like oxygen

[@kempolar9768]

@@716_ハディくん It's hard to argue with that.

[@fullstackweebdev]

I wonder if anybody is even hate-watching it, outside of content creators

[@roufdrapht]

Nah, her parents probably sent hbo a few million so their daughter could make a self-congratulatory show

[@nont18411]

*self-masturbatory

[@christianellegaard7120]

Yeah. She may have self-inserted as Velma but in reality she is Fred.

[@feartheghus]

@@christianellegaard7120 and the bad Fred she made, not canon Fred.

[@darktirkd7395]

I doubt they have that much money, more likely She sucked off a lot of board members

[@christianellegaard7120]

@@feartheghus Of course. Nothing bad about original Fred.

[@Thanatos2k]

The question is how far can hate watching sustain something? Like yeah, you'll get super high numbers for the first couple episodes, but I assume after that the people who hate it actually stop watching. Would work more for a movie type thing than a series.

[@Gahanun]

Do people really hatewatch something without pirating it?

[@shadowraven3253]

I also heard that there is a second season planned (didn't looked it up myself) but if that is so (cause look at the numbers on those episodes!!!) then they will fall flat like a certain amazon series, where peopel came for the first few and then the end (and even there the end wasn't a high point or anything).

[@cormoran2303]

But what were these 'super high numbers'? A "bested most number 1 awesomest trending show evarrrrr!" tweet from a site that barely survives on clickbait isn't a success. Has HBO MAX released those numbers? I'm not seeing any in this video. If it were such a success HBO would have released those numbers.

[@j.p.9522]

Nobody is subscribing to HBO Max to hate-watch it.

[@Thanatos2k]

@@cormoran2303 You don't understand how media works now with streaming. The Neilsen days are over - streaming services don't have to release actual numbers so they never do. They can make any claim they want and you can't double check it. You might get a leak but that's it.

[@lukejohnson7282]

I think we often forget that pre internet, hundreds of horrible shows came out every year and nobody watched them.

[@T3nch1]

The only reason I even pay attention to "Velma" existing is because KZbinrs I support make videos about it and I want to support those channels with my views, even if I'd rather them not even give garbage like "Velma" the time of day.

[@denis2381]

That's the only reason I am aware of the Show in the first place.

[@Ramsey276one]

Smart Choice “HateWatching” should be done like that No support to the source, which doesn’t deserve any!

[@Ramsey276one]

Disparu is my current choice

[@denis2381]

@AhmedAnssaienPlays GayAnalDildo

[@hafirenggayuda]

Yea, don't go hatewatch Velma on HBO max, go vent on the YT reviewers instead. Edit: or just do anything else so "Velma" would be forgotten quickly

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

Yes, this is "rage bait" the show. Which is why I have refused to watch any video reviews (excluding this one) or even talk about it with friends. The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy. That is all I have for this low brow kind of garbage, apathy and dismissal of its very existence.

[@alexschneider8494]

Why would you ignore videos about the show? There’s nothing wrong with monetizing the creators who call out this trash, just don’t actually watch the show.

[@AverageDayInside]

@@alexschneider8494 nah the show isnt bad you are just a fragile man

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

@@alexschneider8494 Because I know the general message that's going to be in them. This show is trash, you shouldn't watch it...yade yada. Plus I'm not interested. Just like the Last of Us T.V show. Good, bad or ugly...I just don't care and am never going to watch it.

[@BBWahoo]

Low Brown

[@KoolDog427]

Love is the opposite of hate...apathy is more in the middle between the two, on the spectrum of emotions and feelings

[@MundMoriginal]

Hey man, you probably heard this a lot, but I think you're doing great, since the change from Upper Echelon Gaming to just Upper Echelon. Your content is well written and informative, and I like the neutral standpoint.

[@13blackg]

this is like the epitome of "if i can't make everyone happy then no one is happy". you're right the whole goal is to piss everyone off and leave no stone unturned when it comes to angering the audience.

[@IraFox84]

I like the show so far, because I have never cared about "canon". The show is a spin on a series that makes fun of the canon. Anyone expecting different and getting angry are the brain dead ones. The trailer was very clear that the show was going to challenge preconceived notions of the original characters. Fred being a man child in this series for example is on point, he was always a preppy douche. Velma being a nerd with bad hygiene, like hello, how are people missing the joke here. If anything the writers are just laughing at all these angry people, for being angry at obvious jokes and running to the bank with all the money from the views.

[@donmcdouglas5017]

@@IraFox84 thats an other way to see it

[@kylek.3689]

This is what happens when your viewers are no longer your primary income, but your advertisers are. It's not about bringing in subscriptions, it's about bringing in impression numbers for the advertisers.

[@MrYehaha]

No ads on HBO

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

@MrYehaha not ads on the channel, but merchandising and using the show to sell other products (watch for Velma to show up on T shirts of hair care products) etc. That sort of thing.

[@hittingyouoverthehead]

That's weird because I have no clue who the sponsors are for this show even though I've heard a lot about the show itself. Must be a business which is extremely bad at marketing strategy.

[@wythore]

I 100% agree with you on this. I just saw the 2nd season of the Boys where the main antagonist of the season, Stormfront, unironically urges Homelander to weaponize meme culture and use their jokes to go after the common people that was initially hating the supes. It was mindblowing how easy it was to change the general opinion of the population with said memes, and the same thing happens in real life with these shows and angry idiots on titktok fueling the discussion and giving publicity to the show

[@J-Wolf17FTW]

Remember everyone, NO HATE WATCHING!

[@TimHoekstra]

Still reminds me of the 2 minutes hate featured in orwell's 1984. 🤔

[@CJ-kg7yq]

And then the only reviews will be positive, and it will likely result in more views for them...interesting idea

[@CJ-kg7yq]

@natma relnam No interest in the opinion of someone throwing around the main stream talking points of "review bombing" and "hate campaigns"

[@mariammontaser7843]

Just pirate it you don't have to pay these idiots money ☠

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

I just don't watch it, full stop.

[@johnathanbenette1145]

The part I hated the most was how Shaggy was being _very_ vulnerable with his feelings for Velma while in the house where Fred got shot, and not only did she gaslight him and belittle his feelings, but they made it an integral part of the solution to her hallucinations. Not only that, she is portrayed as not even giving FRIENDSHIP value to Shaggy, and constantly asks him to do things for her without reciprocating at all. It's like, "the value he gets from driving her around and giving her math answers is the intrinsic value in and of itself." Which, if the show had ANY decent form of narrative expression, COULD be used as a building point for character evolution in relation to his submissive nature, but no. She just uses him in said one-dimensional fashion.

[@transcendentsacredcourage]

The same can be said about most relationshits. Then, these same heifers have to nerve to holler "where all the good men at? Edit: the writing and the people behind this are garbage.

[@magnusanderson6681]

Stop rage-watching stuff that is designed to be bad

[@Kringerel]

that is not shaggy that is norville

[@johnathanbenette1145]

@rosettenrudi I don't necessarily "love or hate" the show. My main gripe (although I never actually stated this) is that it has no coherent direction. Everything is random. Even the general "seriousness" of the show is uncertain. For example, Fred throwing the paper cutter and cutting the guys legs off was just a gag and ignored? But... Why do that? It's like they took a bunch of tropes , amplified them to absurdity, and just said "take it! 😈" Satire is good. Family Guy is a great example of that. But what's needed is a coherent structure of character relatability (to the watcher) and a decent level of interpersonal depth (between characters) Otherwise, everything will feel completely detached, random, unrelatable

[@ScarlettDahnLeach]

Devide & conquer strategy - black vs white, pronouns using LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈’s vs Conservatives etc. It’s ramping up that negative, hateful energy, the rage. We know who feeds on that. Plus “ bigger things” going on while people focus on things like this.

[@the99999th]

What you are saying actually makes sense, they basically took the Scooby-doo characters and turned them into their polar opposites in almost every aspect, and yeah they left out scooby-doo, I guess turning him into a cat would have been too obvious.

[@sorejack]

Or a black girl, but they'll make the character rhyme with scooby. You know, deniability.

[@Kmwildride]

It does feel like a distraction to divert attention from something else

[@donlewis6821]

Bingo

[@Scarecrowwx]

Like the establishment ripping everything apart

[@EvilNeonETC]

Pepperidge farm rememba's

[@ptrcrispy]

A russia invasion into the US

[@transcendantviewer]

Well, forgive the politics, but they did just find even more files in Biden's place from his previous office, and that Hunter was paying almost 10 times the typical rent rate for the place he was staying, which was owned by his father.

[@AsherTheModder]

I pirated the show so i CAN see the dumpster fire while still giving them absolutely nothing

[@prastistransformers89]

Whenever I hate something, I pretend that something is nonexistent. There are a few things I pretend nonexistent, and I guess this is one of them.

[@FireyDeath4]

Well you're clearly doing a fine old job young lad aren't you? Try dissociation and repression

[@executioner_ecgbert884]

If you're pretending it doesn't exist, why are you here? I think it's better to analyze and understand why shows like this keep getting made and what we as seemingly powerless people can do to stop them

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

Essentially what I'm trying to do. I'm avoiding this at all costs. I'm hoping that if an undeserved season 2 comes around it'll tank in ratings from loss of hate interest.

[@Minnesota_Fatts]

NOBODY in Hollywood understands what subverting expectations _means_ let alone how to do it. Oddly enough, Scooby-Doo created the _perfect_ examples of HOW subverting expectations is supposed to work. Not once, but _twice_ in a YEAR. First was Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island, then _again_ with Scooby-Doo and the Witch’s Ghost. Both films set up the joke from the get-go: _Zombie Island_ had an 80s-style montage where every ghost and monster was a guy in a mask, then the Mystery Inc crew got to the cursed bayou, and it turns out there _is_ actual supernatural shit going down out there. In _Witch’s Ghost_ the plot frames the titular character as a wrongfully accused neo-pagan healer that was wrongfully put to death; cue the reveal that, no, she was an actual evil crone, and Mystery Inc has to figure out how to put her down for good. Both movies were landmarks in the Scooby-Doo franchise because they were made _honestly_ and had the right people behind the scenes to make the story and characters engaging and entertaining _without making them bafoons_ in the process.

[@Sorain1]

It occurs to me that the writers for Witch's Ghost (if not the same as Zombie Island) really deserve my respect. When the one biggest twist you can do with Scooby-doo's formula has already been done (and well.) where do you go? How do you surprise and delight the audience? Going with both 'Yes this is Supernatural' and 'But the twist is the 'victim' is evil' let them do that. If one was to try and do a series, the logical route would be to have only a few cases (episodes so to speak) be Supernatural, so the audience isn't sure. Meaning no 'mid season and season ender' always being Supernatural. Something like a one in six ratio, or even lower. There is a lot of miles to journey character wise with the crew accepting that the Supernatural both exists and is vanishingly rare, and learning to be able to face it. Not a shift from 'mystery solving crew' to 'supernatural solving crew' but an acceptance that Supernatural stuff does exist, some of it's evil that need's to be fought, and a reasoned examination of possible supernatural issues matters. You could easily get a 24 episode season and have 2-3 cases be Supernatural in total, provided you resist the temptation to make the opening and season enders among them. (One or the other is fine, but the point is that we the audience need to be unsure.) Go with a really convincing hoax for the first episode, with the crew less willing to dogmatically dismiss a supernatural explanation specifically because they've run into supernatural stuff before. (Oblique reference to Zombie Island and Witch's Ghost incidents works here.) If your going to be 'adult' about it? Then focus on that feeling of having the foundations of your world feeling like sand under your feet. This band of rational (more or less) people ran face first into the Supernatural after debunking it time and again, and then kept going. How did they manage that? Or are they partially on inertia at the start of the season? One could easily write a 'gathering the band together' plot to open with over how they couldn't keep doing the mystery thing after experiencing those two incidents, if they wanted. I would prefer not, because it'd eat screen time you could be spending on making a given mystery's arc better, or the through plot of bigger questions like 'How much supernatural stuff is there really?', 'Why is it that magic hasn't been examined by society?' and 'How does this Supernatural thing work anyhow?'

[@ignasia7230]

Another thing as well...the original Velma in the original cartoon had an obvious intense crush on Fred, that she can't fulfill because he's with Daphne. This was downplayed, then removed altogether in later reboots.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

I just turned 50. Scooby Doo was one of the bajillion Saturday morning/weekday afternoon cartoons we watched as kids. Everyone saw it but it was hardly beloved. It was something us kids had on in the background while we did other stuff. When we got older we started in on the meta stuff. It wasn’t lore-making. It was just joking around. Gen X has it’s beloved IPs & we get cranky when they’re mutilated. Scooby Doo isn’t one of them. When you do Harlem Globetrotter crossovers it’s hard to take you too seriously.

[@Dash62g]

this is what i've been saying to my friends. if i deterred at least one person from hate-watching i'm happy. Very glad to see others on the same page, UEG.

[@carljohan9265]

Tell them that being a "hate watcher" is one of the most retarded things you can possibly be.

[@RealCyberCrime]

Velmas not even hot in this reboot wtf

[@BonelessFM]

The real demands

[@papyrusted]

Real

[@glock-kay]

Wtf💀

[@nategray4989]

At least she was fine in the 03s live action Scooby-Doo movie

[@bloodfallenhunter835]

All they had to do was give us thicc Velma and they failed their one job.

[@rookierook99]

I have to point out that Big Mouth and Cuties, both also available on Netflix, also feature minors in sexual situations (the latter even more explicit). But due to them being so critically acclaimed, this tends to be literally overlooked.

[@nikhilpranav6915]

I feel like an animation about teenage mistakes by sexual frustration can be given a pass, since it isn't CP or anything. Cuties has been panned relentlessly by everyone on the internet, save for EDP or people like him.

[@greygorygaming]

"Racial characteristics of characters shouldn't matter" but it does matter. "best person for the job" is a buzzword used by people who don't understand something simple like the casting process. And raceswaps especially shouldn't happen in animation of all places!

[@MrArgus11111]

I honestly think it's just a very bad show and they just let her do whatever and are paying the price now. This is not the first time something like this has happened. There is no way Mindy would intentionally make a terrible show. Even if THEY THEMSELVES claim that is why in a desperate effort to get some kind of win out of this trash fire I don't believe it. This isn't a psyop lmao. There are hundreds of shows that have been absolutely hated from the start. Velma is not a unique case.

[@jeredjamesaz]

They did exact same thing to He-Man. I’ve never wanted to meet a “celebrity” but I really hope I run into that pos Kevin Smith so I can let him know what I think of his stupid show.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

@@jeredjamesaz which one? Revelations or the Kids Show that launched the same season?

[@furnoprime9439]

@@BlitzkriegOmega Revelations

[@grantkeller4634]

@jeredjamesaz Kevin Smith can only produce a decent movie (Clerks 2) when he has a studio literally holding his hand the whole time. Left to his own devices he’s just a stoner fanboy who’s way out of his element trying to be a project leader.

[@Lundarian1]

@MrArgus consider that EVERY single thing about the show is carefully constructed to be as despised as possible to anyone. They are doing what Rippa does, monetizing hate. And many took the bait.

[@Immolator772]

No one cares about the racial swap, yet everyone criticised Ghost In The Shell for whitewashing.

[@bengale9977]

Thank you. I'm so tired of people completely missing the point when it comes to this show. They aren't bad writers, or misunderstanding the audience, they just hate you and want to make you angry. Everything about the show is designed to make the audience angry and upset. The worse thing you can do is watch it or share clips of it because that is what the writers want. They want tens of thousands of people having a bad time and to have a disgust reaction when anyone mentions scooby doo. Don't let them defile you, don't watch the show.

[@redguy2489]

yeah dont watch this show if you are weak minded.

[@sorejack]

Been saying they can probably make up the profit on copyright claims for all the folks mindlessly making clips of the show on youtube.

[@bengale9977]

@@sorejack lol, true.

[@twuandixon8675]

Yeathats your personal take lol its pretty clear what type of human created this.

[@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek]

@@redguy2489 you clearly didn't watch the video

[@Diembee]

It’s pretty funny that Velma was race swapped in order to empower and represent Indians, but she’s written so badly that it inadvertently portrays Indians in the worst way possible.

[@stielimusterman3066]

Did she work at a Windows support center in the series?

[@gxtmfa]

You’re right and the world now makes sense. Also, Mindy Kaling has been killing it with “Never Have I Ever” so I don’t see why she didn’t just make something *good*. She’s perfectly capable of it.

[@Remix2366]

Because people say "it can't be that bad" and watch. That view turns into money and the joke is one you

[@Oriolesgmufan]

Making shaggy not a stoner is going to far

[@josephsalmonte4995]

Too* come on mate

[@stefannimmrichter1307]

The mystery machine beeing a slur is up there to. As if these ...... needed more reason to be hated.

[@mgmx2099]

I could live a meaningful life without witnessing how bad it is firsthand.

[@CarbideShrapnel]

Could you?

[@spartamerican6758]

Racial swaps always matter. Imagine the outrage if the black panther was white.

[@robr.5044]

This is a great point. We need to acknowledge that we are participants in the wholesale strip-mining of our classic entertainment culture.

[@christiaanhetzner1193]

Have to say Upper Echelon, your videos are always a treat-I love the articulate way you present your arguments.

[@RedStar441]

Scooby Doo isn't steeped in nostalgia, it's steeped in being a good friggin show.

[@gibtsnicht1003]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity" - Robert J. Hanlon

[@Nabekukka]

There's one big problem with that quote, just because something can be adequately explained by stupidity, doesn't mean that malice doesn't also have a part in it. They are not mutually exclusive.

[@shadowzerg]

@@Nabekukka Until you start to calculate how much money went into producing the show and how much everyone involved stands to lose

[@Thelostrune]

No, these people are taking advantage of that good faith. They are NOT acting in good faith and do not ever wish to, so discard them and never look back. Please realize that these are deliberate acts of obvservably anti-human people. No person owes it anything.

[@wallyhackenslacker]

"Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by pettiness or worse" - A more realistic take on Robert J. Hanlon.

[@kalinmir]

I'd say its a polite way of acting towards individuals you know irl and don't stand to lose much of anything from doing so but with corporate media and the usual agendas I don't give them any benefit of the doubt

[@akiraxtreme]

Well, I don't plan on watching this show anytime soon. Not even to hate watch it. Same thing I did for Rings of Power and Willow. I don't want any of my childhood screwed up for an agenda.

[@youtubewatcher4955]

I think your mind is trying desperately to make sense of what doesn’t make sense. Good theory but the fact that this was originally supposed to be it’s own show but they rejected it and ended up having to cling onto Scooby-Doo just to be green lit tells you all you need to know.

[@CowMaster9001]

I feel like it's significantly more difficult to maintain interest in hate-watching for a season of TV versus a 2 hour movie. Also,I would love to see viewership figures for things that deliberately aim to be provocative versus things that are actually intended to be enjoyed. Like "The Orville" versus STD

[@maurostrachwitz747]

As a Trekker I prefer The Orville to Sexually Transmitted Disease.

[@TraceVandal]

Mission accomplished.

[@voutsider190]

Took the words right out my mouth!

[@Darkeus1]

Yeah literally everyone hates this show.

[@namenlosNamenlos]

Propaganda pushers 101 indeed.

[@Zeoran]

No one has ever been upset at a character being racially swapped. They get upset at WHY the character was racially swapped. For the past 5 years or so, Hollywood and especially Disney I've only race swapped in One direction and for only one reason and it has never involved the character or the story. In fact they will racial and gender swap characters in spite of the story. And that's where all the problems start

[@strategicperson95]

My brother came across someone who thought about horrible shows in the past couple of years (Animaniacs 2020 being the topic) and believes they get 2 seasons off the bat only because they already spent the time and work on close to 24 episodes initially for 1 season only to split it in half and make it 2 seasons; possibly to fulfill some contract obligation. After all, there has been no announcement for a Season 3 of Animaniacs 2020, as far as I know. I wouldn't be surprised if Velma's announcement of a 2nd Season is just that scenario exactly. End of story, no Hate Watching a show you knew was already going to be bad in the first place.

[@GamerFromJump]

_Animaniacs_ broke my heart.

[@mkaplan1383]

"Today it's Scooby-Doo, tomorrow hopefully nothing...." Have you watched anything that is churned out from Disney? What HBO & Mindy did to Scooby-Doo, Disney and women like Kathleen Kennedy did just that to Tangled the series, Ducktales remake, Chip n Dale, and every Star Wars franchise. Don't get me started with Nickelodeon (Viacom).

[@Sonicsaber]

There will be more shows like this, unfortunately. Velma is just the beginning and I hate that thought with every fiber of my being.

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

@@markbohm9378 _"sorry, still going to tell everyone to watch this one"_ Why? Why subject yourself and your friends to active torture? Go watch and support _good_ material and stop rewarding this garbage with clicks.

[@realroforb7676]

How did we lose half of the classic Loony Toons for this.

[@DaBlaccGhost]

I don't even have streaming services anymore I get home from work, read my Bible, lift weights, and practice with my firearms and pray God takes me away from here before I take myself out.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

HBOMax was already on life support. Zaslav fooled me into thinking he was the answer to Warner Bros’s problems. But in reality, he’s just another part of the problem.

[@inversion9651]

Will Total Drama save HBO max or harm HBO max even more?

[@ProvenScroll]

Gotta love how they just remove a bunch of actually well written cartoons well liked cartoons (O.K K.O, Close enough, Etc) and replace it with this garbage

[@disNARRATIVE]

Let's not forget VELMA's "lost-leader" effect: new visitors to HBO Max, many of whom might stumble upon something they'd want to watch that they wouldn't have known about hadn't they rage-clicked onto the app

[@dombam8490]

-Being Indian -Highly unhygienic Character checks out.

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

I wonder which episode involves finding her designated sh!!1tting street 🤔

[@slimee8841]

Its ridiculous how people can still fall for Black Marketing in 2023... If something is shit, ignore it, don't make it trend

[@roll3r]

Velma saw She Hulk attack the fans and the beer that was supposed to be held has instead been spilled all over us.

[@thereplyguyreviews]

Studio execs will see this as a resounding success and every show picking up beloved IPs will be this way I'm just going to give up and go in the woods and live alone now

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

How? Why?

[@jessicaavery1080]

This is why I watch channels like heelsvsbabyface so I can avoid watching the dumpster fires and get my amusement from the KZbinrs tearing it to shreds

[@maskedbadass6802]

Also, learn how to pirate and teach others that they can watch it for free to satisfy curiosity without financially supporting bad shows.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

@@maskedbadass6802 piracy should be the default. Time is money, attention is life. Why waste our life on ads. Tho piracy Ironically has more ads.

[@dustbargames6371]

@@mimszanadunstedt441 add blocker’s 😊

[@SvendleBerries]

I cant even do that anymore. All of these shows are the same, so the reviews of them are the same. These "shows" just need to be ignored. Absolutely nothing good can come from continuing to give this garbage, and the people who make them, any attention.

[@bruhai3917]

@natmarelnam4871 Being insulted for a laugh is not something people should want. Like a funny stereotype about a group of people like white people cant season food sure but the the extent that shows like this one take it? That's not laughing at a insult thats just paying to be insulted by the opinions of a writer.

[@Zminator1986]

Pretty hard to hate something when you're busy not giving a crap.

[@TheWalklingPractice]

You're watching a video discussing it. Lol

[@Zminator1986]

@@TheWalklingPractice It's better entertainment then the entertainment itself.

[@femiairboy94]

You know society’s fucked when they go after Scooby-Doo. What’s next? The flinstones? Maybe Fred would have secret gay relationship with barney. God help us all.

[@Faust_YT]

Your best and only way to stop such invasion of childhood favs is to ignore everything they're trying create from it. And I mean every single one, don't even engage discussions for it. Give them a total blackout.

[@scottydo5282]

Why can't people hate-watch the proper way? You know, on Pirate Bay?

[@DustinBarlow8P]

Isn't there a contract when you lease a property, that you can't just murder an IP so it is useless?

[@mortifiedpenguin2011]

This was my exact thought after my KZbin feed vomited a torrent of Velma reviews. Each one of these videos had thousands of views which made me wonder what percentage of these viewers would watch the show.

[@josephbellamy1976]

Thank you for having this take. I feel like people underestimate how much hate-watching and bad reviews can be good for the thing that you're hating. As long as content creators en masse are constantly reminding people of how bad this piece of art is, people collectively are keeping said art in their minds longer than they otherwise would. And if people are constantly being reminded of Velma, even if the show is critiqued and/or given other negative associations, that's inevitably going to lead to more sales/engagement/whatever. Even if the vast majority of people decide not to watch, that doesn't mean that the small minority of people who do "hate-watch" are in anyways negligible or can't be the demographic that can propel something into commercial success.

[@notubist]

Razorfist was right, content creators need to stop covering these obviously bad ragebait sows.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Velma & She-Hulk have a LOT in common…

[@mattcarper9853]

I'm already hearing a second season was approved. God, I hope not

[@MephiticMiasma]

I don't mind, let them waste more money on it. Maybe they can go bankrupt sooner.

[@raidchaser443]

@@MephiticMiasma ...WBD will go bankrupt with lousy quarter earnings for spring,summer,fall...decisions like this are just foolish. I HATE when companies get whipped by F3minist groups,actors,media tell them what to do for THEIR audience. Such TRASH...

[@Thumper68]

People may watch part of the first episode but they won’t continue to watch what they don’t like.

[@cookingwithkratos]

*THANK U FOR BREAKING THE INTRO DOWN BC YOU ARE THE FIRST KZbinR WHO GETS IT!* AND I LOVE THAT! This isnt for u but for anyone who may be reading.... Please listen Believe it or not bro but I didn't even know this show existed. I've worked in PR and trust me, these excs know exactly what they're doing. They were banking on the fact that we would hate the material so much, that u would actually create content just to say how much we hate it. *THIS IS A MARKETING MANAGERS DREAM!* They run the show on their partnered (and in this case) patented publishers (hbo max) and pocket all the monies for promotional runs. All thanks to the hundreds of content creators and millions of upset opinions. They didn't have to pay a single cent for promotion. Seriously... *think about that for a sec* Never forget Amazon did the exact same thing with: "The ring of power" So, I say lets really teach these ppl a lesson by not WATCHING or TALKING about their bs cringe works. 🤷

[@nelsonpanagsagan2725]

So that's why they are (absolutely) confident on getting a season 2, probably. To sum it up, they're pulling a Reverse Uno Card on us.