You Can't Even Use the RTX 5090..

[@vextakes]

5:24- kinda funny, I highlighted a specific moment where the 5800x3D wasn't CPU limited lolol. That was just a moment, I saw it regularly hitting 4-5% deviation, so sometimes limited. Also, system specs are in the description if you wanna take a look!

[@itzik_levi]

What do I need to do so that I can see this chart in my games too???

[@vextakes]

@@itzik_levi program is called “Capframex” or if you want a faster set up time you can just use “Intel Present Mon”.

[@kaisersolo76]

its the reason why so many have bought the 9800x3d , it will last you longer esepcially if your not using a top end gpu.

[@DonutsGaming_]

Your real one for saying it yourself, I was about to comment being like "your current frame rates are indicative of not necessarily a CPU bottleneck nor a GPU bottleneck but probably RAM or motherboard limitation, which is absolutely insane" but bro called himself out before I could

[@xXxDark88DragonxXx]

Friend of mine waitin for his 5090 Suprim Liquid, already got the 9800x3D as CPU in his gaming rig with stable 5.4 Ghz All-Core at 75°C and 121W...I mean, what else lol

[@dos4gwexe-s7x]

people promoting the 5090 as if it is normal to spend 2000$ on a gpu is just stupid at this point.

[@fakkel321]

People with no backbone still buy these cards to show off. That is why we keep losing and Nvidia wins.

[@captainjimo]

I agree. 2000$ should be the whole system

[@Sid_Okay]

Not so long ago people would be so mad if game reviewers got 5090 and not 5080(even reviewers), and these days everyone is like "ok let's pretend for a few weeks that's the card we'll all be using, good job Nvidia"

[@TanGoku-22]

Looks like YT cens*red 2 replies here

[@Nobody-su9km]

To each their own, the truly stupid thing is to believe you are some sort of higher type of human. You are the same as everyone else buddy, put yourself in your place and mind your own business.

[@miller42]

I don't think the CPU is a problem, it's the lack of optimization when the devs use UE5.

[@shocknaw]

yeah, UE5 is a piece of shit

[@nikoladamnjanovic7086]

First they need to optimize ue5 itself ... Then games runnings on it. Hate that engine so much! Everything is blurry, ghosting is unbearable, everything is simply worse!

[@14supersonic]

The fact that 80% of the industry uses this engine now is a huge problem. The engine on paper is great, flexibility, accessibility, powerful, high-fidelity, but at what cost? Engine is horribly optimized to get those results right out of the box, and because most devs are lazy or crunched under pressure, they aren't gonna bother trying to optimize for their game specifically. UE needs to do better at the engine level, and this will become less of an issue.

[@GercaAG]

But CP2077 was not built with UE5

[@shocknaw]

@Ryui-v2y an engine that’s optimized

[@celeste579]

In the words of the shiny jacket man himself, "you're going to take your 5090 and put it inside a 10,000$ battle station"

[@Crovon1]

"entertainment command centre"

[@refl3xun_named684]

"the graphical and frame generating ray-tracing station"

[@MrValdemar4ik]

As if it's not his ridiculously expensive GPU that makes that PC a "$10k command center".

[@ployth9000]

lol Im still trying to find a configuration that would make it cost $10k if sli was still a thing and you had hedt boards maybe then if you added watercooling

[@ROSSNEWHAM]

@@ployth9000overclockers have their 8pack builds ranging from 7-40k!!

[@Lana-rs2oi]

A lot of people used to say: "you don't need a powerful CPU for gaming". That wasn't true then, and it surely isn't now.

[@enricofermi3471]

It's a little bit more relevant today as many people have 120, 144 or even 240+ hertz displays. Granted, if you enable path tracing, you will be GPU limited even on a 12700K / 5800X, but in other games that don't have insane levels of real time lightning, you might get CPU limited before you reach stable 144Hz / FPS, and almost definitely if you aim for 240. Assuming you have an older gen CPU, of course.

[@suparibhau]

You still don't, it literally depends on what gpu you're buying and for most GPU's a 7600 is more than fine enough. The reason for that is when it comes to lower tier GPU, you can simply upgrade your gpu using the money you would need to upgrade your cpu and get better performance. e.g. 7800x3d + 4070 is worse than 7600 + 4070 ti super

[@trixualz219]

there are so many games which are CPU intensive, where going from a 4070 ti to a 4090 will make no difference so you're wrong, it depends entirely on the game

[@leongerdes7860]

It was and it is true. It just depends on your frame target.

[@RazeAndJadith]

@@leongerdes7860 It was true in the mid 2010s, the difference in fps from mid tier cpu's to top end was single digits.

[@Andypooh37]

The leather jacket-man wasn't lying i guess, you literally need a $10.000 PC Command Center to be able use 5090.

[@jasonho9650]

I love that guy

[@ts8960]

It's obviously not for poor people like you, idk why people are getting mad when they arent the target consumer. It's for people who have a proper setup and money to spend.

[@ethanmichael6379]

​@@ts8960 wtf man poor people like you he never said he was poor or anything to suggest that what do you have the 5090

[@Maako2278]

@@ts8960 Aren’t people getting mad because it’s not that much of an upgrade without all the new ai stuff yet it’s $400 more?

[@younghentaii1772]

@@Maako2278it’s more than $400 but yes you are correct

[@Blaze57420]

50 series isn't a real upgrade, It's an expensive side-grade with better AI. It's better, but not better enough. edit: I'm talking about the generational uplift. Because it's more of a software upgrade compared to the 40 series. 5090 is basicly a 4090Ti with better software, and the the 5080 is just a 4080Ti super with better software. A half upgrade over last gen.

[@somerandomdoge12]

Side grade if you already have a 40 series gpu

[@fs5866]

pretty much, since there's no real architectural improvement over the previous generation, all of the increases are thanks to more cuda cores and faster memory, nothing else changed.

[@abu0082]

it's a side grade if you have a 4090, for someone on let's say an rtx 3060ti it's a huge difference

[@pantsgaming759]

and now because of deepseek the AI is pointless lol

[@igottheshaft]

I'll take a +27% "side grade" anytime.

[@Jay-x8x1z]

As someone who has a 5800x3d and a 7800 XT, doesn't happen a lot, but there are a few titles that bottleneck even my GPU at 1440p. God knows what it would be like with a 5090. Game devs still don't utilise multiple threads well at all. This is why to me these uber expensive cards just aren't worth it because it's not just the cost of the graphics card.. It's the CPU, it's the 4K monitor that's required. Sure if you have the money, but I don't know man. I just can't bring myself to pay that much money just for devs to not utilise best in class hardware properly.

[@Struct.3]

A lot of game code is very hard to parallelize because of its serial and dependency nature. "If - Then". And there isn't much one can do besides change the type of actions you want in your game. Which well just makes it a different game. You can add a bunch of stuff serial actions to run in parallel, but then if somebody has too few cores, its gonna absolutely tank performance. So its just not going to be great in some situations regardless of what you do.

[@magnusnilsson9792]

@@Struct.3 Games ought to be scale-able by the amount of cores the CPU has. This can be done while installing the game, requiring a reinstall of a game if you switch CPU is actually not too much to ask IMHO, but a simply core count count when the game starts is not really rocket science either.

[@theSato]

you dont need a 4k monitor. you can just have a strong CPU and go for 240hz (without framegen/DLSS hacks) in all the games you play. and for games that cant hit 240hz, you can lock to 60 or 120 and turn up the eye candy.

[@Struct.3]

@ .... You didn't understand did you?

[@diegoFortMagic]

@@Struct.3 Yes, you can if you want to and know how to design your game to use those threads. What is difficult is to take your single threaded game and make it parallel after everything is already designed for single thread. THAT can be a nightmare, but designing them from the get go to be parallel is not hard. Source: bachelor degree in computer science, masters degree and Phd in high performance computing, this specific topic going beyond multithread to distributed computing using multiple entire computers cooperating to complete a task in less time, so i think i do have a better idea about these things than most, as it is part of my actual job. I am worried about whether the devs are taught about parallel design or if that training is neglected from either the devs themselves of the studio does not consider it relevant to fund that kind of employee training courses, etc. I do not expect a multiple-decade experienced developer to have parallel-friendly design principles unless he has been going above and beyond in learning how to properly use the newer capabilities. I am willing to bet it depends on the game engine. If the game engine can use the threads, great, if not, you are out of luck. I don't think the majority of game developers are making their own game engines or doing games whithout a game engine entirely.

[@starlightHT]

The 9800X3D costs €600/620 here in Europe

[@Aleksi723]

Imagine they started asking 2k for cpus.

[@stickboy8219]

Shh 🤫​@@Aleksi723

[@anomaly_echelon7994]

​@@Aleksi723 oh boy they soon will when they see us drop 2k for a shitty GPU, I'd assume with that kind of R&D money they take from us the 5090 would've been multiple times more powerful than the 4090 but instead we got a rebranded 4090ti with better memory and more cores

[@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153]

If you can find one!

[@fredEVOIX]

@@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153 there seems to be some exclusivity shenanigans with them check more than your usual webshops, they seem to have none on the no1 retailer of my country but the 2nd largest has like 80 in stock that or there are fighting on prices don't have them until the right deal is made

[@SomeWave3]

Am I the only one who wants Nvidia to focus on raw performance rather than DLSS or Frame Generation?

[@shinokami007]

definitely not!!

[@ag4640]

Nvidia: hmm... nah man, I'll give you 8x Frame Generation instead.

[@MPSB12]

Nvidia knows that a lot of people are not going to buy the new 5090 because of the CPU upgrades/Motherboard/Memory. Let just say a whole computer upgrade then buy a $2000 GPU. Nice down payment on a car but with the new DLSS 4 it will keep my fans happy enough to save for one. 😂

[@PiotrBarcz]

They already are, we're at the limits of raw performance, diminishing returns have set in. You're NOT going to get more out of this anymore, you're running the gamut of hitting physical limits with the silicone, people don't seem to get that. Not to mention games aren't optimized properly. None of these triple A games should be struggling on 4090s YET THEY ARE. Bad optimization and NOT Nvidia's problem to fix!

[@dingickso4098]

Traditional silicone transistors reached their limit so they just can't. This is why you will see 1.2GW GPUs that cost $99999 soon. Graphene and other solutions might save the industry but not anytime soon...

[@semibigbraingamer]

Bro is suffering from success

[@Amber57499]

Whaddaya mean

[@mattki-y9y]

That he is suffering from success

[@Amber57499]

Oooh, stupid me

[@krashh07]

This is what you call entitled

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

Bro is preemptively calling the 5090 "bro", incase it achieves consciousness.

[@samuelvera5048]

I'll stick to my 3080 as long as it runs, no need fo unnessesary overpriced bs..

[@st.upid_fr0g470]

bruh, will u miss all those glorious AI-generated frames!?

[@joniqst]

I'm thinking the same, specially with dlss4 coming

[@FacelessShepherd]

Same, man. My 3080 10gb is still running good enough for me. I’m passing on the 50 series and if things keep going the way they have been with GPU’s, I’ll probably pass on the 60 series too.

[@TigerTT]

Lossless scaling gets the job done for less than the price of a Big Mac lmao.

[@tukanog]

​@@joniqstDlss4 will be only for rtx 50s.

[@forkless]

If it wasn't obvious already, this GPU was never intended for gaming purposes. It screams AI workload.

[@nikolajovanovic2433]

Was it really not? I though nvidia was making seprate GPUs for AI workload.

[@lacm81]

No this GPU needs a more powerful CPU and better game optimization but truly that last part is much more important. It’s a gaming card, stop spewing that nonsense it’s just designed for very high end gaming.

[@leftyfourguns]

It screams "commodity"

[@xpodx]

Its the best gaming gpu, it is meant to be a gaming card too.

[@HENRYPAN19]

The Cyberpunk bench is kinda stupid. Nobody is getting a 5090 just to play without pathtracing.

[@paincake2595]

anyone who cares about their power bill will probably stick to high refresh ultra.

[@BrxProd-ho5ez]

@paincake2595you probably don’t care about your power bill if you have a 2000$ gpu

[@paincake2595]

@ nahh, power bill in some countries are insane. I could easily buy a good gpu if i stop using power for a few months.

[@howvery_]

@paincake2595 path tracing with a 4070 super + dlss + frame gen for hours of playing made literally no difference in my bills lol i was actually scared after seeing some people say gaming has an effect on bills before getting it but it turned out a non-issue

[@paincake2595]

@@howvery_ alright 1st world countrymen, this might not be relatable...

[@OscarLegendario]

Its so stupid to think that this GPU is for gamers… its so stupid to think that 2K price is to fps games and shit… people is so confused thanks to youtubers that put all the atention into gaming. This GPU is for work and youre paying for other things

[@K.o.r.3.G.a.m.i.n.g_G.h.o.s.t]

I was expecting them to do some 3d animations & rendering with those cards cause thats what am looking forward too. Its just games, games, games and more games

[@refl3xun_named684]

well no you re actually wrong nvidia focus with this kind of graphicscards is gaming but when they implemented Ai in their gpu for gaming people found that they can use it in Ai generation so they went crazy buying this gpus otherwise you dont need a 5090 for work even if you are a 3d/graphic designer and as for Ai generation its better to stick with RTX 4000 which is made for such stuff otherwise 5090 and other 50 series are pretty much ment for gaming . tho i agree 2k is stupid i am sticking with the old stuff

[@leifgunnartoth8070]

But it isn't. It is for gaming, but is a powerhouse of a card and can be used for other things aswell. It's not for the AVERAGE gamer. That's true. But plenty of gamers can actually afford these extreme cards.

[@mort996]

Search for 3D modeling channels then, not gaming channels. These channels are obviously gaming-focused

[@eduardomartin8510]

​@@K.o.r.3.G.a.m.i.n.g_G.h.o.s.t There's someone who covered blender, arnold, maya, viewport navigation. It's a fairly alright review... but it's missing some stuff and wasn't as rigorous as it could've been. Still worth checking out though.

[@XfStef]

This says a lot more about the engines than it does about the hardware.

[@mitchellterry4961]

The engine might be fine. Its the code on top and the optimization.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yup

[@XfStef]

@mitchellterry4961 Most games nowadays have 0 optimizations. Devs are brain-dead monkeys who just throw in the latest tech demo features with no regard to realism or efficiency.

[@Ultima_Tokyo]

As someone who doesnt own a console, i can see the appeal now. Just boot up and play, not worrying about all these damn variables all the time.

[@yuseiyamoto]

and pay for playing online and being stuck at one company controlling the prices of games

[@Ultima_Tokyo]

@ yeah thats a good point. I mostly play single player anyways. Im still on a 3080 and 5900X so its not like im using 10 year old specs. But its getting harder to be convinced to upgrade

[@baronyto7677]

@@yuseiyamotofree games doesnt cost play online, if u want play not free ones then ye but with ur subscription u get to play many games for free too so its cheap anyway. So games like fortnite, pubg , mirvel rivals etc dont need subscription, because its free to download.

[@axeman787]

Im debating upgrading my pc to play diablo4 cuz it crashes when i fast travel. Or just buy a PS5 😂

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@Ultima_TokyoVirtually the same hardware I'm running (5900X + 3080 Ti), does 4K 60. I want the new cards but I don't play new titles anyway. So it's like, is it worth it? Not really. Just nice to experience the new and powerful but will also have me come back to reality when I realize that I'm $2,000 poorer.

[@igorlukyan206]

At this point people should seriously consider if spending over 1000$ on poorly optimized games is worth it as a hobby

[@FarkyJ]

yep :D i bought firefly anniversary edition board game and soon will buy star trek ascendacy anniversary edition on gamefound...been spending a lot more on boardgames than digital...main reason?...it devalues way too quickly and optimization is the worst...

[@peterpan408]

There are other things to do..

[@TigerTT]

After I bought two different handheld PCs, I ended up getting into much different games than the newest AAA slop and then started having fun instead of pondering about what new parts to buy for my main gaming PC.

[@Yamyatos]

Unpopular opinion, but gaming rigs are super cheap. Let me elaborate tho. Even if you buy a 3000-4000 bucks no-compromises gaming rig every 5 or so years, that's just 50-70 bucks a month. Of course, games are on top of that, but that makes it a very cheap hobby, especially considering you can pretty much spend unlimited time on it for that money. Most hobbies are way more expensive, and the cost usually scales over the time spent. I know people who spend more on going out / partying or plain alcohol a week than what you have to spend on gaming a month. If you buy a starbucks on your way to work every day, you spend more on coffe than you do on gaming. Most people are just really shit at saving money and planning for the future. That said.. most AAA titles have been pretty garbage'y for quite some time now. Last ones i really bought were GTA V and Witcher 3.. or at least the last ones i remember. So i really dont think you *need* that expensive a PC either. Indie games are where the fun is at imho. Sadly indie games are just as unoptimized, but it's usually a CPU related issue, because the devs are *oftentimes* not as experiences, or skip out on any kind of multithreading. So rather go for a strong CPU and a decent GPU, than going no-compromises. Unless maybe when you dip your toes into AI models or stream VR.. which unfortunately i do both^^

[@jamesgornall5731]

Best upgrades i made were 4070 ti super and a 5700x3d, allowed me to keep my AM4 mobo and gives me great perfomance for years to come. When one component is throttled by another, you've potentially made a very expensive mistake in your build

[@starofeden9277]

yes like the mistake you made

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

5700X3D has low clocks :/ I got R9 5900X instead. But I wanted versatile CPU, for video editing and other stuff.

[@Lord_of_ChaoSan]

There is always a bottleneck somewhere in every system- the idea is to minimize it as much as possible, eliminating it completely is pretty much impossible. Balance is what it's all about ;)

[@jamesgornall5731]

@starofeden9277 which mistake? My previous CPU was causing a 7-9% bottleneck of the GPU, the new CPU alleviates this and cost less than 50% of the 5800x3d, didn't have to replace the RAM and sold the old components for only a little less than I I purchased them for. Would welcome any suggestions re what I could've done better for a similar outlay though.

[@jamesgornall5731]

@@Lord_of_ChaoSan precisely

[@skyrimgod1218]

Bro went so far back I thought I was gonna see fx for a sec

[@watchmejumpstart24]

This one is for all the people who keep saying you are only GPU limited at 4k...

[@dkindig]

I play Starfield at 4k and in high-traffic areas I get CPU-limited a good bit of the time with a 9800X3D running at 5421 MHz. Granted, it is terribly optimized, but It's still a valid example. I actually upgraded from a 7800X3D because the 1% lows and stuttering were irritating the heck out of me.

[@eltallerdedante6335]

​@@dkindig60fps? Or more?

[@dkindig]

@ Now it's pretty smooth. Running a 4070 Ti Super at 4k, my test loop is a circuit through and around the Mast District. Settings are mostly high with a couple at medium and a couple at ultra, the typical ones that matter. Native: mid-60's-mid-70's, 55 lowest, 80 highest. DLSS DLAA: pretty solidly low 60's-high 60's. DLSS Quality: low 80's-mid 90's, 78 lowest, 105 highest. My personal preference is minimum 90-100 fps in terms of smoothness.

[@jackmills7758]

from my experience cpus do bottleneck your gpu at 4k. i upgraded from a 5900x to a 7950x3d and the 4k gaming performance has noticeably improved

[@lharsay]

It used to be true, however the development of GPUs has outpaced CPUs over time at the cost of being more and more expensive. Meanwhile notably Intel hasn't raised the price of the Core i7 besides adjusting to inflation for 14 years. GTX1080Ti($700) -> RTX2080Ti($1200) -> RTX3090($1500) -> RTX4090($1600) -> RTX5090($2000).

[@8ito69]

Breaks my heart the fact that staker 2 probably don't use GPU instancing for their grass, we would ahve way more reasonable FPS in that game with way lower end CPUs

[@alyasVictorio]

Yeah! Due to UE5.5 being the most versatile 3d engine (both games and now videos too), they should've properly use those of its versatile features (mostly outside of vanilla 5.0) in utilizing their game features and contents and details to their full potential let alone optimizing these games And sadly, what I heard is that Stalker 2's development is badly affected by the chaos caused Ukraine-Russian war (and these devs are Ukrainian by the way)

[@isadora-6th]

​@@alyasVictoriostalker always was created this way. Even today Stalker 1 is CPU limited game and you can't achieve 200 fps on game from 2008

[@IslamistSocialist371]

eastern european programming i guess. The old 3 Stalker games also cpu heavy

[@Mirec2x]

isnt it beacsue Stalker 2 currently only uses SW Lumen which relies heavily on CPU?

[@dansmith1661]

They could have done better if the devs didn't go full reeree and walked on landmines to protect Zelensky.

[@singularonaut]

Fun fact UE5.5 is not using CPU for screen schedule and almost no difference between 98003D and 1600X

[@alyasVictorio]

Since that feature renderer parallelization is added lasted updates, we need to master that feature in locating which of rendering things will be use either cpu or gpu so we can proerppy optimize 5.5 UE games

[@Struct.3]

Fun fact, frame scheduling isn't the issue in 90% of games. It's the game code that halts the pipeline. Frame scheduling really only becomes a problem in really high fps scenarios.

[@kazuviking]

And people praise that garbage of an engine for games.

[@kazuviking]

@@alyasVictorio Mastering that feature meaning abandoning unreal 5. You will never be able optimize UE5 without a complete source code rework.

[@huggywuggy594]

@@kazuviking the finals was made on ue5 and it is amazing runs on gt 1030, there are other ue5 games that very optimized too

[@TegPi]

just upgradd to the last of the 5700x3d stock from a 2700. holy jeez, the stability of 3D Vcache

[@fuzzylumpkins6034]

2 years ago, based on tech tuber hype alone, 3 of my co-workers purchased the 4080 x 2 and a 4090. All 3 of them using last gen cpus (5800x3d) and 1 of them on a 7 year old 1440p monitor. The grief those guys gave me when I tried to explain not 1 of them would get anywhere near peak performance on their GPus and they should have looked into the 7900xt or even the 7800xt. 2 years later, 2 of my fellow neckbeards, upgraded cpus and monitors and wont talk to me because agreeing they were pc illiterate is beyond their pride threshold. The 5090 is a prosumer gpu being hyped by a very very tiny spec of people that are biased and did not even pay for these cards. To get the best use from this gpu you need a full upgrade of all of your tech and probably to have actual use for the tech because this is not a gamer GPU. Nvidia left the gamer GPU market after the 30 series because the 4060 and 4070 are straight insults to buyers, the 4080 was priced far too high and the 4090 was borderline professional series but certainly good for content creators with heavy workloads that game and again- did not pay for theirs because 20 biased tech tubers marketing your overpriced gpu is worth 10s of millions in savings.

[@Power3DDesign]

Dude, how can all three of your co workers have a 5800X3D and one of them is dual installed a 7th gen cpu. 5800X3D is an awesome CPU. The average bottleneck is not going to handicap their gaming experience. The reason why they don't talk to you is because you ratted on their build.

[@fuzzylumpkins6034]

@Power3DDesign the 5800x3d is a spectacular cpu, as the 7800x3d was already out, it makes no sense to cause your lack of performance and not build components that compliment each other. There is always a bottleneck otherwise the performance would be infinite. But I would never waste money to gimp myself. We work in GAD which gives them no excuse to be frugal in a field where they are aware they only bought GPUs as a flex while not admitting they didn't back it up. It's lame. Either be full mid or full prosumer

[@CurtOntheRadio]

You obviously aren't someone to speak of bias. sheesh.

[@dariogreggio7981]

people like you complaining and crying about absolutely nothing will never get old for me 😂

[@sergiosanchez2012]

Most content creators and high end studios are better off using Macs, they are cheaper, you don’t need to spend time building and with tech support and they are very energy efficient and portable. The PC gaming market just got too stupid, it’s obvious the offer is manipulated to artificially increase prices and people are dumb enough to keep buying from anti consumer companies.

[@technonecroplays]

Gamer's really need to re-evaluate expectations. There is absolutely no need to buy a $2000 gpu and push Cyberpunk to 120 FPS or more at 4K resolution. You will get 90% of the experience buying a $600 gpu and playing this at native 1440P high settings. Yes, I know 4k is better and yes I know 120 fps or more is better but you loose a ton of money for diminishing returns. This game at 1440P native high settings 60 - 80 fps is still a more than playable experience IMO. If you don't want to keep your expectations in check and want to chase after absurd numbers then be ready to pay for it.

[@MontySlython]

Gamers are expecting nvidia to make a chip 50% stronger from nothing and stop developing ai entirely, the expectations placed on nvidia are absurd especially considering the expectations from AMD are absolutely non-existent by comparison, this market is a joke.

[@conyo985]

@@MontySlython Yes. Nvidia and AMD are the jokers.

[@jaredweiman2987]

Doubling resolution isn’t ’diminishing returns.’ Diminishing returns is more like paying $2,000 to go from 4K@60fps to 4K@120fps.

[@tucci06]

Like it or not, people don't want a 60hz experience anymore, people want to use path tracing, people want smooth VR capability, etc. No reason to settle for a console experience with a PC and all the crazy displays that are out now. It's always been like this. Back in the day, people were going liquid-cooled tri and quad SLI for like single digit percentage performance gains.

[@technonecroplays]

@ It is diminishing returns in the sense that your gaming experience is not massively improved compared to the price you are paying. 1080p to 1440p good improvement for a good price. 1440P to 4K 'relatively' smaller sharpness increase versus massive increase in GPU costs and monitor prices. I hope you can see the point

[@ChrisGGGRogers]

The 2015 Witcher 3 game has better graphics than the 2023 games.

[@Blazemaster9]

Alaliah they updated in 2022 updated the graphics 😅

[@2Based23]

Looks worse dont like it​@@Blazemaster9

[@huggywuggy594]

graphics got updated+ it looks better than games that made by bad companies, cdpr makes good graphics games always.

[@SantoryuKauboi]

I agree based on the art style of the game. And with the newer upgraded versions of it, yea, it still looks amazing and is one of my favorite games of all time. But it still doesnt look better than alot of these games objectively speaking.

[@tyler-hp7oq]

It still holds up well, but let's not lie lol. Most AAA look a lot better.

[@coffee7180]

i wouldn't call it CPU limited, but bad optimization and sometimes it's a choice of optimization. Battlefield 2042 is a well optimize game, It has 128 players, destruction and is still so wo well optimize that it can push all 16 threats on a cpu, something most games don't do.

[@vincentvega3093]

Are we really comparing mp with story driven games? Why not use CS as an example?

[@Ho_Lii_Fuk]

BF2042 is most definitely not a well optimized game. 128 player servers are only available in portal and they had to delete them from main menu because no computer could run them properly. There's barely any destruction compared to other BF games in the past. It's quite honestly just poorly optimized.

[@Micro-Lander]

Story driven games should be the most accessible to multicore-threading yet here they are running like straight ass because of their refusal tl use now 20yr tech​@@vincentvega3093

[@coffee7180]

@@vincentvega3093 That's the thing. Battlefield has so many things going on and is still so well optimize, at least now not on release. It makes other games questionable. CP2077 doesn't need to run over 200 frames but it could be using more threats. The same for stalker that isn't even trying to utilize the CPU correctly. It's always harder to make a mp use as many threats as possible than it is for sp games, making it clear how well optimize battlefield 2042 really is.

[@Nobody-su9km]

Ah yes, the old optmization blame... I have yet to see someone backing this claim with actual evidence. There are several factors, newer engines to support newer techs, techs evolving at a faster pace than ever before, new mechanics trying to be introduced. All of that takes time, money and a lot of programming, stop blaming devs and start pointing the finger at the real culprits. Yourselves yiu want everything to be done in a day with ground breaking mechanics just like y'all want everything to be faster, stronger, consuming less power, smaller, colder...

[@AlexSomers-d2n]

This is much better advertising for the 5090 than anything Nvidia presented

[@Martial-Mat]

It's almost as though developers have spent 15 years lazily failing to optimise their games and forcing all the cost for performance on the players, but now that there's literally no GPU bottleneck, as badly as they've optimised direct X performance, it highlights the structural weaknesses of the game.

[@mitchellterry4961]

Not to mention demanding better graphics and needing to stay ahead of the "curve"

[@s6031417]

Did your face get frame-generated too? For some reason it looks so smooth while you are demonstrating 5090's performance.

[@juups86]

lmao

[@chancifer_]

frame generated face is DIABOLICAL

[@OctagonalSquare]

To give you an idea how important CPU and RAM can be: I upgraded from a 9th Gen i9 with a 2070 Super and 32 GB of DDR4, to a 9800x3D, 64 GB of DDR5 6000 RAM but haven’t gotten a new GPU yet so I’m still rocking my 2070 Super. I was getting like 60-80 FPS in Kerbal Space Program but now get 200, even while streaming. Literally just the ram and CPU nearly 4x my performance. Now, keep in mind that KSP is a space flight sim game which has to calculate the orbits of dozens of objects at all times, so it’s just a CPU and RAM heavy game, but not a lot of testers actually try games like that when testing new hardware and so it can be hard to know what to expect

[@thenonexistinghero]

That's only because you're playing a trash unoptimized game. Not sure why you'd get a CPU that's more expensive than your GPU was when it released.

[@WAThomasRKH]

​@@thenonexistingheroSo what's the better alternative to Kerbal Space Program?

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@WAThomasRKH I don't think there is one, but that doesn't really change the fact that the optimization of it is beyond garbage. There's a sequel too I guess but calling the optimization of that one 'beyond garbage' is still a severe understatement.

[@LibtardsTears]

Yea, in 1080p lol

[@peterpan408]

Why can't we SLI the entire PC? Beowulf that task!

[@TheGeorkef]

CPUs are not the problem. All games sucks in terms of optimizations for multi-treading. They can barely utilize 8cores/16threads while 12/24 or 16/32 CPUs are on the market for many generations now.

[@GodKitty677]

I have seen lots of games max out 20 threads on my 10900kf. Most of the time its console ports that are very badly optimizated for PC. The consoles are 8 cores and 16 threads and the GPUs arent as fast as PC ones and are limited to a maximum of 10GB of VRAM. UE5 is designed to run on consoles and there is a heavy use of the 8 cores cpus on consoles. The games are built around these console specs. When it comes to PC they just dump the game on PC and patch it later. The latest Intel CPUs perform like crap because older games need patched to improve performance. Also console games need to basically be rewriten and optimizated for PC. They just add more large textures and make the effects more demanding. Then thats it and they then tell you. Its your PC and you dont have enough vram. The game engine just has bad performance on PC. AMD can pull decent raster performance because these games are optimizated for their hardware from the ground up to run on console hardware. There is a whole channel that deals with UE5 and the zero optimization on PC. They show after optimization the PC version doesnt need upscaling on modest hardware. Doesn't need 16GB of VRAM. Can use more than 8 cores. This isnt true of all games, some developers know what they are doing. This is why games like cyberpunk 2077 run well on PC hardware and can do path-tracing. They optimizated for PC hardware and kept patching the game to maintain good performance on most hardware.

[@Polla9203]

@ What games do you play that uses that much threads? I dont think I have 5 games in my library that can even use 8.

[@Yamyatos]

Software engineer here. Some tasks are way easier to parallelize than others. Procedural voxel / terrain generation is usually easy to parallelize. So is running multiple entities, like in simulations / city builders. But the core game loop? Usually not a whole lot you can do about that. So games will never be able to utilize 100% of the CPU, even when perfectly optimized - which, granted, most games are very.. very far from. That said, some games where it matters and is reasonably integrated do a good job at utilizing the CPU.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

Who cares about a 4% CPU bottleneck...

[@randomuserame]

People paying for 2k for a GPU and 600 for the CPU. They paid for the _whole_ PUs and they want to use the _whole_ PUs.... not have devs under-utilizing the hardware despite having the latest tools to do just that.

[@GopherYourself-qd5dr]

me because that means technology is reaching its limits

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@ It's a 4% bottleneck... you won't even feel it while you game.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@ I was tagging the reply above yours. Don't know why YT just tags everyone with a "@".

[@CharlesVanNoland]

Seems kinda weird that it's called "GPUBusy" if it's supposed to indicate that the GPU is waiting on the CPU. It should be called "GPUIdle", because it's literally sitting idle waiting for the CPU to issue more commands. If the GPU is busy when the CPU is trying to issue more draw commands, then it's a GPU bottleneck - but clearly the GPUBusy goes up when GPU utilization goes down, so it seems kinda backwards to call it 'busy' when it's not even as busy as it wants to be. Maybe it means "GPU is busy waiting on CPU"? Who knows!

[@helloitshecker]

nice observation :)

[@z3ntropy]

Are you a bot

[@helloitshecker]

@ my mistake, didnt see the video fully

[@dmsa3869]

The GPU Busy Deviation metric represents the percentage of the total frametime that the GPU is NOT busy. Think of it as "how much does GPU Busy deviate from the frametime". When the deviation is above a couple percent in an uncapped scenario, then you can pretty much be certain that there is an element of the GPU waiting on the CPU.

[@tomaszpankowski8903]

@@dmsa3869 So in essence when GPUBusy = 10% The gpu is not busy 10% of it's rendering time, right. So GPUBusy for ms counter is ok, but for the % it means the opposite.

[@sbarter]

People need to stop looking at numbers they dont fully understand and just play the game.

[@reahs4815]

you*?

[@PiotrBarcz]

Agreed

[@opinionen]

Very demure very awesome

[@sonicthomasgamer]

NVIDIA to the Money in your wallet be like

[@solastro5595]

Man, Jensen really wants us to spend $10000 on our PC.

[@mitsuhh]

Command center*

[@stratos7755]

4:00 Look at the CPU usage. The games are not CPU limited. They can't utilize the resource the computer has. It is literally a software limitation, mostly likely caused by the game engine.

[@AVAC-PCs]

ah okay… lemme just sell my second kidney to buy a cpu as well

[@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153]

In VR simulation games, the major problem is traversal stuttering caused by the CPU waiting to process large textures being imported. At 45 ms on a 7800x3d, there is no hardware I can buy that will fix it. The 9800x3d is not fast enough to stop the stutters. Same goes in UE5 games with this problem. Nothing other than game engine multithreaded improvements will be a fix. As we are getting close to the IPS and frequency limits of single core on silicon, we're in the hands of the developers. Which as we all know means we are screwed....

[@Yamyatos]

I mean.. there is a lot of good developers out there. Just not in AAA studios, apparantly, lol.

[@stephanmilius3598]

So the message of the day is "Buy components with specifications that actually match, otherwise the overall system will have bottlenecks or straight up compatibilty issues", generally solved by buying stuff from the same era. Who would have thought.

[@just_mdd4]

You forgot to put it into your $10 000 battle station! 😝🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@slc9800gtx]

This is very informative. It reminds people to try to balance the performance of their gpu and cpu together. Just do research to find a good match.

[@random_music.mp3213]

A VERY BIG NOTE (more games are using more cpu BUT there also becoming more and more unoptimized stalker 2 is incredibly unoptimized and it breaks my heart)

[@Flo-in6bu]

What did he use to display GPUBusy?

[@bbronzeforever]

^^

[@jouniosmala9921]

You didn't really get a CPU limit. I used 2070 super with i7 920 for almost a year and learned about in what situation CPU actually causes stutters in game. And it's not average where CPU was problem the real problem came in when you had temporarily very CPU demanding portion and everything tanked to unplayable levels.

[@DynaBlassT]

Fake Frames Fake Resolution Fake MSRP Fake Shortages Real Money Don't get tricked.

[@masternick13]

Exactly. These new gamers know nothing

[@juliusc.8711]

So basically i'm not buying anything until I need to update EVERYTHING.

[@gamingoptimized]

I use an older Ryzen 2700 at 4Ghz and I get drops to the low 20s with the GPU staying at 50% in the village area in Stalker 2! This game is insanely CPU demanding

[@kazuviking]

Garbage optimization and not demanding.

[@famousfighter2310]

What gpu?

[@DJgeekman]

1:48 - the ghosting is probably due to the fact that you had TAA enabled. Just pointing at the probable cause.

[@PotatoeGamerLP]

I don't think you can even disable taa in stalker under normal circumstances

[@silvioantonio6952]

​@@PotatoeGamerLPonly if you use DLSS instead of native i think. Wich is hilarious that Upscaling offers better quality than native nowadays 😂

[@kazuviking]

The game running on UE5 is the fundamental issue.

[@huggywuggy594]

@@silvioantonio6952 dlss also has native mod dlaa, which looks much better than taa without resolution scaling.

[@huggywuggy594]

@@kazuviking it runs on ue5.1 the worst version 5.5 is so much better but it cant be upgraded due to technical issues

[@jamescpalmer]

Seriously the sloppiness of some software engineers is mind boggling to me. Why you wouldn't do a 6 month performance pass on any pre-released game alone is insane. The higher your performance the cheaper the rigs people can play your fucking game on the more money you will make. It is simple maths people.

[@Yamyatos]

Play indie games. Not because they are better optimized (certainly are not lol), but because they are still focussed on gameplay and fun over just producing visually photorealistic games that then dont even run properly. AAA has been mismanaging budgets towards things that ultimately dont matter for quite some time now imho. Im still buying high end GPUs, but mostly because i play around with AI models and VR streaming. The cards usually dont even bother spinning up the fans for what i usually play on my PC xD

[@JesseJames-kv7xc]

1:56 Moon walk right there.

[@vineethk133]

Lmao

[@q2subzero]

What application are you using to show these statistics? can you show us how to set it up? thank you!!

[@itsjoans]

msi afterburner rivatuner

[@q2subzero]

@@itsjoans I dont see the GPU Busy option in MSI Afterburner... unless he renamed it from something else

[@lrmcatspaw1]

What I learned today is that I will be playing indie games for a bit.

[@Lelende]

LOTS of variables here. Poor developer optimisation can definitely cause games to be cpu limited. (Sorry stalker..) I don't doubt Unreal is to blame as well, especially with the weird way they seem to handle shader comp. I wished you'd mentioned the vram on your gpu because the exact same model of gpu except with less vram can massively increase cpu load. Also, no idea how good/updated your drivers are.

[@dyanayban]

literally in the description

[@briannormant3622]

Poor developer optimisation can definitely cause games to be cpu limited. (Sorry stalker..) I don't think even optimization is an excuse for how horrible this game looks. The TAA is so horrible in this game it's a wonder why they don't just disable AA. I have a hard time understanding how not a single dev stopped by to tweak it a little.

[@mysterymeat6460]

It's the 5090, 32 gigs of vram. It's been a long time since nvidia let partners modify their boards, and even longer since vram could be user modifiable

[@DerrickDevine]

Don't need to optimize. Just let DLSS do it for you amiright?

[@MagiconIce]

Still crazy that you can get about 100-110 FPS on 4k with a 5800X3D in that setup. Just show how much of a beast that thing still is today and 7800X3D and 9800X3D are just even bigger beasts.

[@guillaumequevy418]

I remember when a gaming PC with the best CPU and GPU of the time could be built for about 1500$

[@AverageGamerDad89]

You should do a guide on how to get that GPU busy stat on your RTSS. No guides anywhere so I am using the vanilla presentmon and just eyeballing it.

[@DERBUERO]

"this is... this is bad.. how does anyone play this?" i have finished it and am on my veteran playthrough half way through and yes indeed its running badly but a real S.T.A.L.K.E.R. just keeps on going no matter the odds^^ cheers video helps a lot (Y)

[@dark666razor]

This is kinda disingenuous. Name a time where cpus weren't "bottlenecking" gpus.

[@5daysago823]

You are looking for perfection in performance and quality that will never happen.

[@ivailoburov1295]

I remember the days when you only needed an additional graphics card for better resolution. Wolfenstein, Doom, Dukenukem, and Quake all ran fine on a regular (any) PC for around $400. 🙂

[@jarikszaubers6615]

Salker 2 is a mess of optimization. Maybe one day they will optimize it, but im in doubt about this.

[@muhammadaveromugi]

RTX 5090 = Threadripper

[@dakawans83]

Who plays Cyberpunk all the time enough that it matters.

[@pewhol5728]

chad comment

[@theyeetus1428]

It amazes me how Stalker 2 performs so badly yet also looks terrible. It looks worse than some nearly 10 year old games.

[@The93Momo93]

UE5 is trash

[@theyeetus1428]

@@The93Momo93 UE5 isn't the problem, it's the lazy devs that use it. The engine simply supports their laziness with tools that allow devs to take too many shortcuts. There are some great looking and running UE5 games out there, such as Fortnite, The Finals, Once Human, Satisfactory, and Marvel Rivals.

[@theskyspire]

Why would anyone game at less than 4k if you have a 5090?

[@masternick13]

Everyone who thinks dlss is a good upscaler .. while its a downscaler.

[@protekyerneck]

Stalker isn’t optimized at all, there’s still trees that will instantly crash your pc just by looking at it

[@mwk1939]

Your a legend for doing this I have a 5950x with 1440p do you recon should I upgrade to 5090?

[@vibe9120]

No 😂 just go with AMD they offer great real performance for a reasonable price

[@juups86]

Nah man, i have 5950X with 3090 Ti our cpu would bottleneck HARD. The better (newer) cpu you have the less the bottleneck there will be and 5950X will bottleneck worse than older X3D cpu's.

[@r0xa18]

no no no. 7800x3d or higher

[@AVIVO999]

what app do you use to know all of the information?

[@Chris-ko7ov]

That would be Afterburner's RivaTuner, if you meant the overlay

[@bbronzeforever]

@@Chris-ko7ov what about the GPUBusy? I didn’t see it in RTSS/MSI afterburner

[@Chris-ko7ov]

@ From what I've read, it's a little tricky. You need to load a preset in the RTSS Overlay Editor. That's the way. I will try it later and update..

[@bbronzeforever]

@@Chris-ko7ov ahh okay yeah I tried playing around but couldn’t find that setting unless it’s an external plugin or program

[@playbookshowme484]

you just proved we don't need any new hardware, I stopped buying new stuff years ago and its more than fine still

[@WheeledHamster]

Bro just called the 7800X3D low tier.

[@Red-Magic]

He didn't though?

[@sHuRuLuNi]

Elite Dangerous uses 99% GPU and hasn't even heard that CPUs exist.

[@coolwater3238]

Can you remember how good battlefield 4 looks and runs? It's like we forgot how we landed on the moon all over again.

[@Bulkyninja]

BFV looks better than most triple AAA games in 2023 crazy work

[@mayonnaise9993]

I have an R5 3600x and a 1060 6gb. I get around 50-60fps on low settings 1080p. I find it crazy that even if I were to buy a 5090, the game still probably wont be consistently 120+fps.😂

[@timestamppatrol]

I told my friend about this, but he doesn't believe me. Ray tracing and DLSS use the CPU too much, which means it can't keep up with the GPU because the GPU still relies on the CPU

[@peterpan408]

It's almost if the GPU isn't doing the ray tracing and DLSS! Like a soft-modem is just a sound card 🤣

[@4m0n68]

we wouldnt need that graphics card if games were optimised

[@imphonic]

I think a lot of this is because many games are using older engines that aren't really designed to take full advantage of multithreaded CPUs. For example Unreal Engine games struggle horribly because most of the non-rendering code was written in the 90s and early 2000s, when single-core CPUs were the norm. It was also written in a manner (inheritance-heavy object-oriented) that makes introducing multithreading brutally difficult because as a result of that architecture, control flow can become really difficult to understand. For an example of what a properly maintained engine that isn't just about rendering pretty pictures can do, look at Doom Eternal, which while still using older code from id Tech 4/5/6, runs so much better because it was properly maintained and upgraded to take better advantage of multithreading, hence why DE runs on a potato as long as your CPU has multiple cores/threads.

[@hardcorehardware361]

Doom is the benchmark standard of optimisation and Detroit Becomes Human is the pinnacle of graphics, a close third is Cryengines Neon Noir Software Ray Tracing Benchmark which runs at 60FPS 1080p on an RX580.. Great comment mate.

[@briannormant3622]

Sad thing is a "RTX On" label will generate more sell than decent optimization, And because those features are starting to get harder and harder to develop, the game budget end up wasted (IMO) adding 8k texture a random rock, 20k poly mug, ect. We are getting in a era where we play the same games as 10 years ago, they look 10% better at best but cost $200+ millions to develop, I can hardly think of a hyping AAA release during the last few years, something like Far cry was, like battlefield, CoD, ect. I wish devs and big studio stopped wasting their budget on useless feature, like rockstar loves doing. Who fucking care about being able to take a bath in game. And let their creatives use that budget to make actually new games.

[@hardcorehardware361]

@ Totally agree Bro

[@hardcorehardware361]

@ I was just playing Subnautica, sensational game and runs at 4k max settings on an RTX3070.. I'm a Battlefield 1 player have been since release, it runs at 200fps butter smooth 1440p max on a 3070 and graphics are perfectly adequate even better than adequate. You are 100% correct.

[@briannormant3622]

@@hardcorehardware361 Battlefield 1 is the perfect example of how artistic vision matter so much more than technical details. Even to this day, BF1 has striking graphics, and despises modern game being better from a technical standpoint, BF1 is so much nicer to look at, because they didn't just add path tracing and call it a day.

[@Marfig]

Can I just argue that this doesn't tell us much amout GPUs or CPUs, but about bad graphics development practices and technology championed by the likes of the Unreal Engine and the developers that use them on their games?

[@FinalCuh]

can you do the same video for a 5080? im on a 3080 with a 5800x3d rn and i dont know if my cpu is to bad for a 5080

[@martinfleischer7078]

It is not

[@elxero2189]

I feel like by now 4k should be easy and standard

[@Jmeboy]

4K resolution isn't the issue. It's lack of optimisation of overly demanding graphics rendering techniques in real-time that are. Like path-tracing, ray traced shadows, ray traced reflections with high ray count etc. This shit is hard to run and it's nothng new. Just look at how demanding Pixar movies are to render using these techniques. It's kind of a mircale any gaming GPU can run path tracing at 4K at all. If you look back to older titles that still look incredible whie being optimised like Star Wars Battlefront 2015 etc. they can easily be run at high frame rates at even 8K on a 5090.

[@masternick13]

1440p is still king for newest consumer gpu's on a 27 inch monitor

[@pwyll63627]

Bro said 7800x3d is lower tier

[@shadowbreaker6027]

1:58 you say "on this gpu" but the faster the gpu is the more it's likely to get cpu limited no?

[@haukikannel]

Ofcourse!

[@solastro5595]

Yeah, Gpu is so fast processing and sending information to the cpu. The cpu can't process it fast enough. Also, we must consider game optimization etc.

[@shadowbreaker6027]

@@solastro5595 I said this because he said that the bottleneck would be worse on worse gpu but with the same cpu the worst the gpu the less cpu bottleneck you have

[@kan0o0]

I think I have a theory for this. i think the problem is the main thread of the game. Example: at 8:22 in the video, it is compared 9800x3d avg 104 and 5800x3d with "only" 67 avg fps, both with same rtx 5090. If you take a look at the 5800x3d, its cpu utilization is only at 50-60%. So, what I think it's going on, is that some games do not equalize the load to all threads, and instead, 1 or 2 gets maximized. When that main thread of the game is not able to run faster, it does not matter how much more GPU power you throw at it. It won't run faster. There is way to test it: which is using rtss showing per core utilization. If only one core is at 85-90% or even more... that's the issue.

[@ventti_]

I personally think 1440p 240+ on an OLED is the sweet spot for everything gaming. 4k doesn't seem that great yet.

[@Trikie77]

what program shows your Watt an FPS in the coner what do you use ??

[@kiranyt775]

MSI afterburner

[@Trikie77]

@ ty becouse i use nvidia an that one is gabish next to afterburner

[@dsx4AI]

If you ask me what i can learn from this video, it would be stalker 2 has terribad optimization. Nothing to do with cpu, gpu, or whatsoever

[@haukikannel]

It shows what games in future will be about… So it is valid. We will get more games like Stalker 2 in future thatnneeds hefty CPU to run! Bg2, New Indiana Jones game etc… all Benefon from really fast CPU… you don`t need fast gpu, but fast CPU is the key… unles you go 4K ultra raytrasing skenaarios.

[@dsx4AI]

@@haukikannel yea no indiana jones doesnt require that much of cpu power. and i'm not sure what's so "nextgen" abt stalker 2. Alan walker 2 looks so much better and that also doesnt require that much of cpu power. Ppl always make an excuse for poor optimization

[@nostalgia_junkie]

7:14 TRIFLING 😭😭😭

[@Target850]

This will be the meme for years to come "but can it run Stalker 2".

[@PhilosophyofElivagar]

Amazing video, and exploring a topic not many have currently addressed. What CPU would you suggest for getting the best out of the 5070 TI? You’ve got a new subscriber!

[@AlexeyShevchenko]

Counter strike is what missing in your reviews. I have upgraded my whole system from old intel to 9800X3D JUST to keep 1% lows decent in this game and I am still using ancient 1080 gtx.

[@isadora-6th]

I am getting CPU limited on 4060+7800x3d in Minecraft lol (giga modded one, but still)

[@RealTechGeek]

Lmao 😂 damn how cheap can you be too get an 9800x3d AM5 motherboard probably an gen 4 nvme ddr5 ram and still using an gtx 1080 lmao 😂 cheap mofo 😅 get at least an 7800 xt lol 😆

[@PockitGames]

@@RealTechGeek gtx 1080 if you don't care about recent tech in games and above 1080p graphics is still mega amazing and suprisingly still holds up. having good 1% lows on CS2 makes the game feel 2x better than a higher average

[@Pupixario]

CPU Limited on a 9800X3D? Nah, we Developer limited. Stalker is not Beam NG simulating real world physics or calculating sophisticated AI behaviors. It shouldn't be "CPU limited" by the best available CPU on the market. It's an eye candy game. Gaming is really dying. At this point I hope China just bursts this bubble as well just like with DeepSeek popping the AI. Developers so lazy and so complacent with the "AI Meme" that they forgot that AI can't fake CPU performance like it can fake GPU performance. lmao

[@Teilerderden]

yappinggs of yap

[@PapaGLive]

As a audio engineer. This things stupid powerful for PC audio production. Being able to run all your plug ins effortlessly off a graphics card. Getting that off the CPU not only makes plug ins load way faster, but you no longer have to worry about resources and can focus on your music your writing/mixing with no frustration. Could be a lackluster improvement on graphics but this is going to change how music production is on PC. Could get rid of Mac’s dominance on the industry

[@pixelschubser2556]

Can you make a video how you added this "GPUBusy" part to the msi afterburner overlay? I want to test my ryzen 5 7600x3D and my RX 7800 XT and see if i'm limited anywhere or if i'm fine. If the ram is important to know: I have the G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory in my pc.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

GPUBusy is stupid name. It should be called GPU chilling and rizzing hot chicks.

[@PHANTOM-EDITS97]

UhHhHh iM gEtTiNg A 1% bOttLeNeCk on the rtx 5090.... BRO I THOUGHT PLAYING GAMES WAS MEANT TO ACTUALLY PLAY THEM

[@r0xa18]

Wrong channel, he is testing hardware not to play games

[@adityaverma6754]

Rtx 4090 was so powerful that it made the radeon division give up to even try to compete . Makes u think how even nvidia does not have anything to surpass it without some ludacris power requirement like rtx 5090 . Ceiling is now too high without some major technological breakthrough.

[@lordbalzamore7692]

ludicrous* ludacris is a rapper

[@SantoryuKauboi]

Lets hope NVIDIA release their consumer CPU that is supposed to work with their GPU's this year. That would be awesome if they could benefit from each other and we would stop being bottlenecked in games. And lets hope AMD rises to the call and keeps producing great CPU's so there will be a competitive atmosphere.

[@RodovalPTY]

True, we are getting to a point where the hardware in a lot of technologies is getting stale to improve and takes 3-4 years to see real improvements. You can see it in cellphones too, before the biggest upgrades were the cameras, for flagship phones those camera upgrades are really limited and Apple, google, samsung, are focusing in the software or AI. If you remove the AI capabilities from the 5090 it would be literally a 4090 TI. I only wish that Nvidia would have priced the 5090 around 1,500.00.

[@eskinwolf6217]

"How does anyone play this" you with 4k 5090 and 60 fps Me with 4050 1080p with just under 50

[@SlyEcho]

It may not make sense to upgrade a PC with a Ryzen 5600X or lower CPU to an RTX 5090, but a 5070 or 5060 or something would be even worse, right?

[@thepopmanbrad]

im sitting here with a GTX 1650 and AMD 5 3500 and people are buying RTX 5090