You Have Been Misled! - This is the TRUE God of the Empire - Elder Scrolls Lore

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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released worldwide on November 11, 2011. The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim.
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[@flameski_]

Sometimes I wonder if Michael Kirkbride and the rest of the OG writers watch these deep dive videos and say to themselves "Yes! Yes, that's right! That's how I intended it to be! Finally someone gets it!"

[@serdiezv]

He does, and then lights the crack pipe again

[@flawlesscowboy6177]

@@serdiezv lmfaooooo

[@Dakblasta]

Or acid

[@Dong_Harvey]

@@serdiezv you mean Skooma

[@realzachfluke1]

Kulup

[@Nurriek]

Pelinal Whitestrake honestly holds a really interesting similarity to an Automaton. A Robot. Think about it. He's powered by a soul gem with Shor's blood. He has impenetrable armor. When he's decapitated, his head continues to live, and to speak to Morihaus. We're never given much of a description of him, save for this armor of his, and that his chest could be opened and that he had no heart. Like a mini Numidium.

[@CURLYJAY69]

@Slender Man AYLEIDS ENGAGED!!!

[@stephencampbell2735]

I've heard that theory, and it has its merits, but I just don't see the necessity of the cyborg pelinal or robot pelinal theories in a land of magic and gods.

[@stupidcommentmaker]

He’s more of a cyborg

[@stephencampbell2735]

@Slender Man the animunculi were automatons powered by soul gems. In classical antiquity, we had things that used pretty sophisticated gears. Id maybe call it "magic steampunk", but not robots. But I have been wrong many times before

[@johnaldbrillten8930]

It's also said that he had white hair

[@philherb0656]

I love how you guys can blend Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim and ESO shots seamlessly

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

They should start integrating stuff from the various Beyond Skyrim mods as they (eventually) come out.

[@obviouslyfaketoddhoward4451]

“It just works”

[@elvangulley3210]

Eso shouldn't be with the others it was an insult and mistake to make it cannon

[@Tonithemeloni04]

Never played Morrowind, Oblivion, or ESO, but I can’t tell the difference between those other games and Skyrim. I’m more for the lore.

[@cautiouslycynical9786]

@@TobeWilsonNetwork Correct me if I'm wrong but those are fan made mods, ambitious as they may be. Say what you will about Bethesda but story wise their rule should not be challenged. Even if it's just by using footage from independent projects.

[@maew150]

Imperial Diplomat: We have decided to fully drop the worship of Talos Thalmor: Good. Imperial Diplomat: We have also decided to start worshipping Pelinal Whitestrake instead... Thalmor: Thats... not good.

[@itachiuchiha-ex2lg]

Thalmor:…….Fuck……..

[@kirkfogg8366]

The Thalmor are really going to get bent over once the dragonborn absorbs all dragon souls.

[@korgclips868]

@@kirkfogg8366thalmor would have no chance politically or militarily against the dragonborn and his legion of dovah, to further piss off the thalmor imagine an altmer dragonborn who gives no shits about their regime and helps men either way, an altmer dragonborn especially if they became emperor would have a much easier time subduing alinor as most regular not dominion affiliated high elves would be more inclined to listen to and obey one of their own; especially because he’s superior to all high elves and yet he still treats his “lesser’s” with respect

[@JackCeck]

Forget Halo crossing over with Doom, I want a Doom styled game where Pelinal kills Elves instead of Doomguy killing demons.

[@LeCalmar]

@Tomáš Pavlík pelinal is the doom guy

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

Gotta crank out a Doom wad and texture pack covering the Life and Times of Pelinal

[@markrose6042]

Check out the channel for Allinall. He makes a badass music video for Pelinal.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

Sooo something akin to Heretic? Except of course you're not an elf, the enemy are

[@ryueldragonborn4145]

Approve

[@liammcshane7985]

Me: This sounds like an interesting topic. Fudgemuppet: YOU HAVE BEEN MISLED, LIED TO, BAMBOOZLED

[@nicolasrea2185]

Lol I absolutely love these guys

[@KiyanushKaranjia]

*LIES. DECEPTIONS...*

[@KiyanushKaranjia]

*EVERYDAY, MORE LIES* Forrest Whittaker eye intensifies

[@WASDLeftClick]

Are you saying that the Akatosh ruse was a DISTRACTION?

[@Captaininsane]

Lmfaoo SAMEE THO

[@arnabsaha9778]

The only true God any human in Elder Scrolls universe should worship is Shor or Lorkhan. He was the creator and man and helped the drive the Elves from Atmora and Yokuda. Elves hate him more than Tiber Septim. Worshipping Lorkhan would trigger the Altmer so hard they would spontenously explode.

[@tcgaming4007]

I do love spontaneously exploding elves 🤔

[@awendigowithinternetaccess4400]

What about Talos as an aspect of Shor/Lorkhan?

[@arnabsaha9778]

@Ancalmo They are not sentient deities. They are natural forces.

[@arnabsaha9778]

@Ancalmo The Night Mother is their main object of Reverence. Sithis is worshipped yes but I do believe they understand that Sithis holds no real power to effect Mundus unlike the Aedra and Daedra.

[@dylanpierce3045]

I actually have a build known as the Champion of Lorkhan. He/She worships Lorkhan and acknowledges Boethiah as Lorkhan's lover, Azura as a defender of Lorkhan's Heart, Kyne/Kynareth as wife of Lorkhan, Mara as the Handmaiden of Kyne/Kynareth, and Stendarr as Shieldbrother of Lorkhan.

[@wafflebananakid5875]

Me when i see the thumbnail: *SOOOOONG EEENNNDS, SOOOONG EEENNNDS OF THE WHITE KNIGHT PELINAL*

[@Draethar]

Dun dun dun dun dun

[@timothyserpette9403]

SEVEN THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND TEN

[@AlpenSkyWatcher]

I am a follower of the cult of Pelinal Whitestrake. Champion of Mankind. Elf Slayer. Divine Crusader. A dead elf a day keeps the elven apocalypse at bay.

[@pelinalwhitestrake3367]

Well done!

[@yinyang5526]

@Ancalmo 🖐🏻$ 🏃🏻‍♀️💨. yeet

[@xsvrrx]

how did you play the knights of the Nine?

[@gahlainrigh5927]

Knights of Pelinal

[@ryueldragonborn4145]

You will not fight alone

[@newadventuresinskyrimse1750]

Gods are like mountains sticking up from the ground. Worshipped from one side, it may be frigid, dark and cold. The other, warm and inviting. Some may view the mountain as daunting and looming, while others view it as a challenge, or reminder of nature. This is the Gods of Nirn. Same object, viewed from a different angle, from a different group of people with a different set of histories and principles. Cheers.

[@caleb3005]

That is a very clever way of explaining how the gods work in the elder scrolls

[@newadventuresinskyrimse1750]

@@caleb3005 Check out some of my content, my characters are fun, and some explore this stuff in game. Loreplay. My character recently explained his view of Hagravens and Briarhearts, check it out.

[@travus111]

Did you create that metaphor? Because that's a amazing way of wording it.

[@MehrdadParthian]

@@travus111 no thats an iteration of the 36 sermons of Vivec. explaining Gods. he just read that and made an alternate take on it :)

[@nicolaspetrus3861]

well spoken

[@idipped2521]

I wonder what gods the Akaviri worship. I also wonder if they had their own oblivion crisis before. Also I wonder when their dragon war took place as compared to the Nordic one. Probably very early in the Merethic era considering all the dragons fled to Atmora and Tamriel

[@marionnette6231]

@split haven I give it.....27 years!!!

[@idipped2521]

@split haven Yeah I think if we were to get a game in Akavir it should definitely be in the First or Merethic eras. Most of our lore from Akavir is from then and it would only make sense. Plus, it would leave mystery as to what's happened in Akavir since the first Era because a lot can and will change in 4000 years. Plus it would also be a way to give us more lore and mysteries from Tamriel in the form of rumors such as the ones we get from Tamriel about Akavir. For example, if there was a game set in Akavir in the early first era they could say "Rumor has it that Tamriel has an empire ruled by a man-bull, but conflict is arising due to human-centric zealots becoming a larger force in the empire in the last 25 years", or we could hear about new mysteries from early first era Tamriel such as info about the Lilmothiit or something of the sort. It would also be cool to see the remnants of pre-dragon war Akavir, since the Tsaesci and KaPoTun empires were largely destroyed during the war and most if not all dragons were killed. It would be interesting to see if any men were left in Akavir in the first era, or if there were only echoes of what their civilization once was. Also, I'm sure there would be plenty of dragon burial mounds lying around due to the fact that most Akaviri dragons were killed. I'm sure they would have to include Akaviri men just to give us more options to play as and just say they went extinct after. Also, I wonder how the architecture of the snake men and Akaviri humans differed. For every mystery that's uncovered in the Elder Scrolls a new one needs to be presented just for us to have more to discover. And a game set in early first-era Akavir would do just that because maybe it would even reveal info about Akavir without letting us know what's happened in the last several thousand years and maybe even reveal that there's a continent to the east of Akavir that we haven't heard of just due to sheer distance from Tamriel

[@thrace_bot1012]

The Tsaesci worship Molag Bal in all likelihood, considering how they are described as demon-like vampiric serpents.

[@shoemakerx0105]

I bet they invaded oblivion.

[@nonamegiven202]

Yeah we know there's some elementalist going on at least with Ilni (air), Myn (fire), Nyfa (earth), And Zisa (water) thanks to ESO. Akatosh isn't unlikely either as the Dragon guard did venerate him with the akaviri Dragons also acknowledging him as well.

[@thrace_bot1012]

No channel more consistent than FudgeMuppet , you can't change my mind. Keep up the glorious work!

[@archieblackwell3984]

Faze jev

[@oppionatedindividual8256]

What about tv channels? ...... I rest my case.

[@Pyrozen_Plays]

Agreed friend

[@Pyrozen_Plays]

And its always good content too

[@Coyote_Bongwater69]

@Thrace_Bot101 ComicsExplained is more consistent. In fact a lot of channels are a lot more consistent

[@royriley6282]

So Pelinal was like the Briarhearts and Neloth's apprentice. He was a person powered by a magickally charged artifact in place of a heart. Wonder if the same Bretons who gave rise to the Forsworn had anything to do with Pelinal's construction

[@Paul-yc5dc]

Perrif spoke to the Handmaiden again, eyes to the Heavens which had not known kindness since the beginning of elven rule, and she spoke as a mortal, whose kindle is beloved by the Gods for its strength-in-weakness, a humility that can burn with metaphor and yet break [easily and] always, always doomed to end in death (and this is why those who let their souls burn anyway are beloved of the Dragon and His Kin), and she said: "And this thing I have thought of, I have named it, and I call it freedom. Which I think is just another word for Shezarr Who Goes Missing... [You] made the first rain at his sundering [and that] is what I ask now for our alien masters... [that] we might sunder them fully and repay their cruelty [by] dispersing them to drown in the Topal. Morihaus, your son, mighty and snorting, gore-horned, winged, when next he flies down, let him bring us anger." ... [And then] Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves, [whose] facets could [un-sector and form] into a man whose every angle could cut her jailers and a name: PELIN-EL [which is] "The Star-Made Knight" [and he] was arrayed in armor [from the future time]. And he walked into the jungles of Cyrod already killing, Morihaus stamping at his side froth-bloody and bellowing from excitement because the Pelinal was come... [and Pelinal] came to Perrif's camp of rebels holding a sword and mace, both encrusted with the smashed viscera of elven faces, feathers and magic beads, which were the markings of the Ayleidoon, stuck to the redness that hung from his weapons, and he lifted them, saying: "These were their eastern chieftains, no longer full of their talking."

[@Paul-yc5dc]

When Lorkhan was murdered by Auriel and trinimac his blood seeped onto earth and was made into a jewel by the ayleids and called Chim-El Adabal skip forward to Allessias rebellion and she prays to the gods specifically Kyne Lorkhans Sister wife basically saying she understands why Lorkhan created the world which is "freedom through limitations" Moved for Allessias love and loyalty to her Brother/husband the god sends her demigod son Morihaus with the Amulet of Kings (this is all proven through in game lore) next part is my speculation but since both nedes and elves worship Auriel it caused a split in God of time into two distinct and separate aspects yet ultimately a part of one big whole the elven aspect and the nedic aspect or Auriel and Akatosh (this is why Akatosh is quite literally mad) I also think the latter aspect of Akatosh gave some form of agency to pelinals rage

[@PyrusFlameborn]

Pelinal's heart-gem sung like a mad dragon? The Thu'um reshapes reality. Did Pelinal constantly reshape reality itself into madness wherever he went?

[@Alizudo]

There's a theory that Pelinal is a magic robot from the future, and the mad "singing" is him distorting the universe just by existing.

[@B0Sajwah]

Dude just used command codes and mods to reshape reality

[@JamesCalico]

Akatosh has been tricked into maintaining order in mundus, mundus keeps Shezzar strong while it weakens Akatosh. The more pigeonholed into supporting the Human order Akatosh becomes, the more influenced by humans he is, the stronger Shezzar grows. The deified cults of Alessia, Ebonarm, and Talos, are Shezzar returning to god-hood by proxy. All part of his trickster plan. Humans are the final tower of mundus. As long as the humans exist, mundus exists, and as long as the humans build Empires, Shezzar can be re-deified by proxy, while maintaining his sentience, while the other gods are reduced by mundus to an earth-bones kind of state where they are not fully sentient.

[@nicolaspetrus3861]

i think akatosh and even the elven patheon would still support the nedes since ayleids had near completely abandoned their worship in favor of daedra (agents of chaos) it might've been a begrudging aid; better to help overthrow their former followers in favor of humans than leave them to their darkened path

[@holypaladin4657]

Daedra /=/ agents of Chaos. Many Ayleids worshipped Meridia who is basically an Aedra but with a realm in Oblivion.

[@nicolaspetrus3861]

@nathan smith lol that was a long time ago, even so tf would akatosh help martin at the end of oblivion if there wasn't some investment in it for him, the elnofey sacrificed their essence to create the world why wouldn't they serve the interests of any race that would see it preserved from those who would corrupt and destroy

[@Outcrow]

Shor/Shezzar’s true name is Sheogorath. Alessia communed with him while she was high on skooma. And the Mad God blessed Pelinal with Dementia. The fact that Slave Queen dated the winged bull-man is proof enough.

[@Spike2276]

Crackpot theory: every god is Sheogorath suffering from multiple personality disorder

[@hyena1268]

@@Spike2276 Oh, that would be terrifying.

[@Handlelesswithme]

I honestly would not be surprised if that happened

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

"MALACATH is more popular at parties - and let me tell you, Malacath is NOT popular at parties" *fondly remembers himself being ostracized by himself at a party thrown by himself, for every himself but himself, but still doing his best to enjoy himself*

[@cryptosporidium1375]

@@Spike2276 dissociative identity disorder forms from extreme mental trauma to “disassociate” from certain events. It’s like a save file for a different time.

[@Scotttjt]

How about a video about all the mortals that ascended to godhood/apotheosis (or allegedly did so): Tiber Septim, Rajhin, Mannimarco, Sai, ect.

[@jamestitus472]

This would be great

[@GhostShadow1030]

I was just watching the Reman podcast, and feeling nostalgic while missing the old feelings of playing the games for the first time. Thank you for y’all’s hard work, y’all keep our love and these stories alive 🙏 I cannot thank you enough nor do I have the words to explain my appreciation.

[@personagrand5674]

FINALLY IM EARLY I hope you guys see this, but thank you very much for igniting a love for this franchise in me. Ever since 2014, I’ve been hooked on Elder Scrolls and I never expected to be this invested for the next 6 years. Thank you Scott, Michael and Drew!

[@kawhigoatleonard2558]

@Dimitri Telvanni I hope the next TES game won’t be afraid to dip a bit back into the lore that made their universe so beloved. Maybe they can implement dialogue options that have one path for players that know the lore well and another path for beginners where they can get explanations

[@yayvideogames8032]

when a young soldier asked pelinal what it felt like to kill a person, pelinal looked confused and answered, "i wouldn't know, i've only killed mer"

[@mayabestsiren]

all 3 of you make AMAZING videos, but when you hear "My name is Drew and welcome to Fudge Muppet" you know its gonna be a banger

[@Spike2276]

Drew just hits us with the absolutely top-tier stuff

[@idipped2521]

I don't see Pelinal as an avatar of Shor, but rather the brother of Shor since he called Morihaus nephew. What this means is up for debate since Pelinal was not nearly as powerful as Shor

[@Priceluked]

The Et'Ada don't have relations like mortals do, Nephew doesn't necessarily mean that Pelinal is the brother of Morihaus' parent.

[@Nerazmus]

I think it still works. Pelinal is Shor, yet at the same time isn't Shor. They are made of the same blood, but they are not the same person. Pelinal is weird. Calling him avatar is wrong, but brother isn't really correct either. It's like if you made a clone of yourself, what would that clone call your son? Obviously not son. I guess nephew is the most correct in that situation.

[@Ho0pxr]

Pelinal is a shezzarine, just like many before and many after him.

[@idipped2521]

@@Ho0pxr I wonder if there was ever an Akaviri Shezzarine that came about to try to save the men of Akavir before they went extinct. After all, Shor would try to save them because they were men

[@Priceluked]

@@Ho0pxr Of course it seems like the Shezzarines are not quite the same as saying they are the avatars of Shor himself, but maybe small reflections of himself in a wide array of differing personalities.

[@Angelo-nd4lg]

Men should never bend knee to elves. Glory to Shor and glory to Kyne. Glory to Talos and glory to Ysmir.

[@Spike2276]

Glory kinsman, to our forefathers of old, to the Land of Truth and it's distant green summers. That the sundering of our God and King may never be forgotten, and that in time it may be repaid in kind.

[@absolutely9483]

Based

[@deshawnbrown5714]

I 100% but is ulfric delivering the right message though? Some say if ulfric is HELPING the thalmor

[@hatncloak45]

@@deshawnbrown5714 As far as the Thalmor are concerned, Ulfric is ONLY unwillingly helping them as long as Skyrim is locked in civil war. I believe the Thalmor are actively maintaining the stalemate, so that both the Empire and free Skyrim are weakend. If you break the Stalemate for the Stormcloaks, that spells disaster for the Dominion, because they already have trouble against Hammerfell, and a free Skyrim will undoubtably ally with Hammerfell for mutual protection, and possibly High Rock, as their geographic location makes this triple alliance optimal. Together they have seapower to land in Alinor, as well as strong Warriors and Battlemages to take the fight to them. Cyrodiil, what remains of the Empire can then use this situation to finally throw out the Thalmor, recover, and strike back on their own. On the other hand, reclaiming Skyrim for the Empire is still better than the stalemate, but yields far worse odds of defeating the Dominion than freeing Skyrim, as the Empire is already in shambles, has terrible relations with Hammerfell, and overall a vulnerable position with very few possible alliances. They are also still bound by Thalmor treaties, with many elven agents embedded in their command structure. In short: Ulfric winning is best for the future of man.

[@kaidanthecursed3534]

And another Skyrim-centered comment, with little to no link at all with the video, getting dozens of likes. You know that The Elder Scrolls is about more than just Skyrim, right ?

[@idipped2521]

The difference between Shor and The Divines is that he does not proclaim himself to be a true God. Hence why Boethiah showed the Dunmer the lies of Trinimac and the other Aedra saying that they are the real Gods, and showed the Dunmer the tenets of the Psijic Endeavor to attain CHIM/Amaranth. The one true God worshiped by the Alessian Order/Skaal is the All-Maker/Godhead. Yes Shor is the true patron of man rather than Akatosh but he is not the true God

[@erwinamanciosilva7693]

chim/amaranth as far as i now is a gift of shor/shezzar/lorkhan to the mortals, clearly not created or granted by it, but taught by it, because that was the sole purpose of it's creation, to present the mortals to the path of the chim

[@idipped2521]

@@erwinamanciosilva7693 That's the way I see it. Shor is the son of the Godhead essentially, as he was the firstborn of Sithis, who is essentially the sub-conscience of the Godhead. For what reason he created Mundus doesn't really make any sense to me though. The Et'Ada were more powerful than mortals could ever be, however, they could not attain Amaranth as they were already divine, and the divines such as Akatosh can not know CHIM or Amaranth. So maybe that's why Lorkhan/Shor created Mundus, to allow for beings to break the cycle of time and become Godheads of their own universe. All of this is Tamrielic lore though, would be interesting to see the Akaviri/Atmoran spin on CHIM

[@idipped2521]

@@erwinamanciosilva7693 I've thought about writing my own stories based on my headcannon of esoteric Elder Scrolls lore that hasn't really been expanded upon. If you're interested you can read the story I wrote last year and LMK if you think my writing style would fit for a good story. It's just a matter of how I would share it and how many people would read it, because I wouldn't want to create anything that anyone would read. My ultimate goal would be to contribute to the lore of an Elder Scrolls game eventually, but not a mainline one. It would have to be a game set before the Third Era, as a lot of people want a game that can expand upon the lore of the Dawn, Merethic, and First Eras. I personally think the First Era would be the best fit for a spinoff ES rpg kinda like Fallout New Vegas. A lot of people want a linear action-adventure TES game, but I would personally hate that. One of my favorite things about the Elder Scrolls is exploring and learning about the world, and the mystery is a big thing that makes it attractive to a lot of people. Having a game with a set narrative that has no exploration or world-building would suck IMO, plus I just like the ARPG format the series has been in since Morrowind. No reason to fix what isn't broken, because then it actually might break, just like with Fallout 76 for example

[@idipped2521]

@@erwinamanciosilva7693 I posted this short story I wrote last year in the comments. It's not about the elder scrolls lore but it's actually decent for me being 20 at the time with little experience

[@MehrdadParthian]

@@idipped2521 Boethiah did not show the chimer (they were not dunmer then) the lies of trinimac, she LIED to the people who were watching the priests of trinimac scorning Veloth for his lies... Boethiah is the Daedric Prince of Lies and Secret Plots of Murder, she was being beaten by Trinimac when Mephala intervened and stabbed trinimac in the back, and boethiah used this chance to put a curse on trinimac and imprison him into a realm of ash. and since she is a master of illusion and is associated with taking many forms to deceive people, she took on the form of trinimac and spoke in his voice to fool people into believing her lie, that she defeated trinimac. while in truth, it was trinimac who defeated her, and she used treachery and aid from another Daedric prince to save herself. it is literally in her Sphere : "secret plots of murder" !!!! Auriel, Trinimac, Julianos, Mara, Dibella, Kynareth, etc , are True Gods and they indeed helped mortals in times of their need, and shown their true power !!! that is no more apparent than the time that despite mortals great efforts, Mehrunes dagon entered Mundas and laid waste to imperial city, and then Auriel/akatosh came down in the form of a dragon and beaten and humiliated him and forced him to run back to oblivion, battered, bruised and defeated !!! and about alessian order, they are very loud and clear: They worship Auriel/Akatosh, they do not worship God Head, they would not have even understood what that is if you would've told them. their main tenet was the worship of Auriel/akatosh as one and only God and they purged entire villages and cities for worshipping any other aedra... so they were in no way Good or benevolent, they were more like misguided and Vile and Blind zealots !!!

[@darylpowell401]

Damn, never been this early to a fudgemuppet video. Can’t wait to see how this plays out

[@realzachfluke1]

YES!!!!!! I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR A LORKHAN VIDEO FOR SO LONG!!!!!! THANK YOU, DREW!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥️🔥♥️🔥♥️🔥♥️🔥♥️🔥♥️🔥♥️🔥♥️

[@xSqrlz]

When there’s a fudgemuppet video I’m always early

[@revolutionarycomrade]

I guess 30 mins late is early for kids these days...

[@pioneerph1169]

I was early like you once, then i took an ad to the video

[@bluesap7318]

I guess your title William the early really does stand true. Not only do you come early. You come early.

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

I was always curious about how Shor could act or impose his will if he was dead... This does help explain it a little bit. And besides, gods surely wouldn't experience life and death as mortals do.

[@Spike2276]

He is the spirit of Nirn, Mundus is his creation and his life and that of Mundus are one and the same thus he is dead but paradoxically also not dead. "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." - The Monomyth

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

@@Spike2276 Thank you based Speaker, wish you were here to guide the Vanguard.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

@@Spike2276 schrodinger's god

[@CarlyJ]

You made this much, much easier to follow. When I read about the lore, I find it so amazing but overwhelming. Your voice is so calming and you present your arguments very well without a brain overload. Makes me wonder if we are all stuck in game and our players argue over the existence of God, Satan, time, the universe etc. How amazing that the Elder Scrolls reflects our world so well whilst also being an escape from it.

[@chibicthulhu4382]

This will forever be one of my favorite channels. I get super interesting lore with narration that’s always amazing. I love you guys!

[@luckyjedi429]

I find it interesting that Alessia adopts the motif of the dragon for Akatosh. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Auriel is more of an eagle, whereas Alduin is a dragon. Additional layer of merging, maybe?

[@Handlelesswithme]

So, the real true god of the empire was the friend(s) we made along the way

[@smithynoir9980]

After many videos over a long period of time, I think my mind is finally starting to understand how things relate to one another, very much because of how you tell the story. Truly wild this world is so fleshed out, complex and so darn interesting.

[@jimmietherustle3622]

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

[@allieb7321]

18:45 That question and point about who benefits from these actions, gives me SO much more awareness of how much Shorr fits into his ‘trickster god’ role. Oh my, oh my.

[@Galimeer5]

Vigilant, a Skyrim quest mod I've spoken highly of in the comment section on this channel before, suggests Marukh's vision of Alessia was Molag Bal's doing. It's not clear why he did this, either to light a fire and watch the Alessian Empire burn or, perhaps more interestingly, an attempt to mantle Shezarr

[@JaelaOrdo]

The true god of the Empire is Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To him we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our own corruption! While he has ascended from the dung of mortality, and now walks among the stars! But he was once man! Aye! And as man, he said, "Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you." Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us, in each of us, the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel! And there it is, friends! The ugly truth! We are the children of man! Talos is the true god of man! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit! Trust in me, comments section! Trust in Jaela! For I am the chosen of Talos! I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!

[@ceasefire2825]

*Clears throat* *F U S*

[@MehrdadParthian]

its easy to say that from your hideout maggot ! if you dare, come out and say it in open ! the Thalmor will be waiting for you !!! we shall show you the "TRUE" Truth ! in the cellars of Thalmor Embassy !!!

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

@@MehrdadParthian “maggot”. I am suddenly hear an elven arch dornan around here

[@MehrdadParthian]

@Kev Prz Thalmor Embassy. i'll be waiting ! lets see if he can face the might of the Aldmeri Dominion's Elite Force !!! the Force that singlehandedly took down the Empire and made your Emperor Kneel before us and give up his God and religion then and there !!!

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

@@MehrdadParthian bullshit. we all know that the mudcrabs will win. It’s only a matter of time

[@lulhighman3428]

2:25 “How did a woman born in slavery learn of freedom, and then be mad enough to believe it could be achieved?” Did you come up with this? It’s a really good quote

[@TheDigitalWatcher]

If this is the case, Tiber Septim was a chosen of Lorkhan. Talos may be a legit deity because Lorkhan's power allowed him to ascend, making him sort of the Jesus to Lorkhan. No wonder the elves despise the idea of Talos. He's an aspect of their immortal enemy.

[@RenanL.S.]

Actually, Akatosh is Lorkhan, if you look at the details you will percieve it. The elves think Akatosh is equivalent to Auri-El the same way the nords used to think Alduin in equivalent to him, but the both were wrong the same way. 1) Both are related to Dragons/Snakes. Primordials symbols of chaos and change, which Lorkhan symbolizes, not Auri-El. 2) Talos (and also Ysmir) is not only the dragonborn (a title and power that is said to be given by Akatosh) but also shezarrine, a reincarnation of Lorkhan's soul on a mortal body. 3) Akatosh plane is located on Mundus, where the planes of the Aedra who followed Lorkhan are, while Auri-El's followers planes are on Atherius. 4) Akatosh supported the humans on Cyrodill to rebel against the elves, why would Auri-El go against his followers? It would make much more sense that Lorkhan would have supported them. 5) Also it is said that Lorkhan delivered a message from Akatosh to Alessia, why would Auri-El ask his worst enemy to deliver a message? That would not make sense. 6) Lorkhan's plane, which is Sovengarde (Tsun, another god, confirms it on the game) is not located anywhere on the cosmology. Wouldn't it be Akatosh's plane? In the end Lorkhan were muredered, but, even winthout heart, he couldn't he destroyed, because the world became his body, and his soul came back on the form of dragonborns to help the mortals when it were most needed; he were Ysmir, the dragon of the north, and Talos, also the dragon of the north, who is represented on his statues above a snake (that is Lorkhan), symbolizing he taking his place at the pantheon, symbolizing Lorkhan assuming his new form. Alessia never baned the cult of Lorkhan and never worshiped Auri-El, she worshiped Lorkhan, who is Akatosh, who is Ysmir and Talos, who were always at the imperial and nord pantheon, with his many forms. That is why Akatosh is Lorkhan, the main god of the imperial pantheon.

[@AAG_Vanitas]

Underrated comment

[@georgeashwell2396]

Sovngarde is in Aetherius

[@RenanL.S.]

@@georgeashwell2396 Wrong. We have no proof of this, and it would make no fucking sense to Sovengarde to me in Aetherius.

[@seneca983]

@@RenanL.S. Elder Scrolls Wiki says it's in Aetherius: elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Sovngarde_(Location)

[@RenanL.S.]

@@seneca983 probably wrong, since it wouldn't make any sense.

[@COOLAUSTINO]

I never even thought of this disconnect, I love you guys for putting in so much effort to help bring this world to life that much more. FudgeMuppet is a big factor for my continued cravings for ES lore, these explanations are always so good.

[@JHS270694]

The metaphysics of ES lore fascinates me to no end... I hope Micheal Kirkbride knows about this channel.

[@greglancaster9053]

Beautiful work and theorizing, Drew! Partially due to your recent podcast, breaking down all the races, but I’ve really become enamored with the idea of Shor. From a storytelling perspective, anything LOST can be FOUND again, so I could envision a future Bethesda storyline where Shor’s ❤️ is relocated, and possibly weaponized.

[@jamestitus472]

Shor/Lorkhan is fascinating. I think for me it's because of the synergies the narrative has with Christian mystic theology of incarnation and theosis.

[@idipped2521]

Nazeem is the real god of the empire. He just doesn't know it

[@gptechnologiesmangalore6909]

@MAXAMVD by going to the CLOUD DISTRICT

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

how else would he know theres no PUSSEEE?

[@Walsinats4]

He is a daedric prince of douchbagery

[@werecatauthor4249]

When the fans know the lore better then bethesda

[@goolabbolshevish1t651]

@Wirr Ling no he is right, pretty much all the original devs have long since left. Many were pushed out by Todd when he helped zenimax with their corporate takeover

[@DollopussD]

I'd love to create something like that.

[@the_hanged_clown]

as I'm fairly certain the player is the godhead, that may be intentional, in a funny and unexpected sort of way

[@aduum479]

The only problem is that he speaks as if he’s reciting a goddamn prophecy

[@penzorphallos3199]

@Rick Dalton ok Todd

[@chrisvandergriff504]

Always happy to see a Fudge Muppet upload. Great production quality again, gentlemen.

[@Michealxlr]

Currently binging through your videos from the past couple months and I just wanna say I love you guys. Thank you so much for these amazing lore videos. It is because of y’all that I fell in love with the elder scrolls franchise and I look forward to enjoying more of your videos.

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

Pelinal might very well have been Shezzarine, he matches the description of one and would probably mean that Shor/Lorkhan would not have been around at the time, which means it had to be another divine that communed with Alessia. The other reason I believe it must have been Akatosh is the Oblivion Crisis, Akatosh appeared at the end of Alessia's line, summoned by Martin Septim through the blood he bore and the Amulet of Kings. Still Shor was connected to it all, just not as Shor but rather as Pelinal.

[@spider-spectre]

"they praised him and said that their patron god Shor had returned. Pelinal did not take kindly to that and spat at their feet for profaning that name."

[@Urgelt]

That is one hell of a thesis. You made my head swim. Just one question: when Martin broke the Amulet of Kings, he was transformed into an apparent avatar of Akatosh. Doesn't that argue in favor of an interpretation that the Amulet was wrought by Akatosh and contains a drop of *his* blood? I can't reconcile that event to your thesis. Which is magnificently argued, I will add. You are a peerless essayist for Elder Scrolls lore. I have long been uncomfortable with the idea that Lorkhan truly died when his heart was ripped out of his chest. Violence done to major gods can transform them (witness Malacath), but death is a slippery concept for those guys. But I confess, I never equated Pelinal to Lorkhan. You followed breadcrumbs to that conclusion that I never even noticed. It might be worth noting that the destruction of Lorkhan's heart at the hands of the Nereverine ushered in a couple of centuries of setbacks for humans. The empire became a shell of itself, and the elves had major successes in humbling it. At the end of Skyrim, the elves are poised to end the empire altogether and return humans to, if not literal slavery, at least to second-rate citizenship, for whom their religion is dictated by elves. Did Lorkkhan finally die when his heart was destroyed? Or, alternatively, was his hidden influence disrupted? How does a god recover from the destruction of his heart? The old texts furnish no clues. But I think it might be a mistake to think that Lorkhan, or Shor, or whomever, is ended. Death remains a slippery concept for Elder Scrolls gods. Thanks for making this video. Thoroughly entertaining!

[@Urgelt]

@@23Raind Septimus Signus is mad. And is wrong about what's hidden behind a Dwarven locked door. Unreliable. Shor is absent from Sovngard, Has been since mythic times. Tsun, a god himself, seems to be minding the place. I'm not sure that the Nerevarine destroyed Lorkan's heart. Could be the heart went the same way as the Dwarves, The same tools were used. Lots of questions, few answers.

[@Super50ldier]

@@23Raind No, the reason why Shor is absent from Sovngarde is because you are Shor. The Last Dragonborn is a Shezarrine, a mortal incarnation of Shezarr/Shor/Lorkhan.

[@Super50ldier]

@@23Raind The Last Dragonborn is Shor, which is why he can sit in Shor's throne and why Shor is absent.

[@Super50ldier]

@@23Raind Or Shor is dead because he is the Nordic version of Lorkhan, who is dead and whose body became Nirn.

[@Super50ldier]

@@23Raind The Nerevarine didn't destroy the Heart of Lorkhan, he only freed it.

[@Joe-nv4pn]

Keep up the great content guys! If only my exams consisted of elder scrolls lore so I could watch you guys 24/7 haha

[@johnaldbrillten8930]

The descendents rock

[@HovektheArtist]

If a future cyborg with a heart made of the blood of a dragon fueled by murder and the mentality of a crusader, who is also a ghost that just chills above the capitol building, I'd say he's a god, whether or not he is part of another god

[@jamiewalker8493]

Fudgemuopet you guys have provided me with the best escapism for years and i cant tell you how many nights its saved me from my own mind and struggles. Thank you

[@GutstheBlackSwordsmen]

Pelinal Whitestreake is my Favourite Elder Scrolls Character

[@elric7415]

I wonder what Urag gro-shub, would think of this channel talking about the histories of tamriel and podcasts.

[@jaym6996]

What's interesting about all this is the bard's tale of the origin of the Amulet of Kings claims that Lorkhan's blood went down an Ayleid well. Does this mean that the Ayleids were already established in Cyrodiil before Lorkhan had his heart removed?

[@StarlitSeafoam]

Well, considering the Dawn era was a mess of nothing being solid except what the gods made so, I imagine that there could easily have been an Aeyliad well there when the Heart flew over. Timelines free to go to whatever when they pleased could have chucked one in Cyrodiil even though the Aeyliads didn't exist yet. Maybe the drop of blood solidified it into staying, and the Aeyliads arrived to find one of their wells already there. Surprised, they explored the bottom and found a strange, powerful gem.

[@MrMoose-bl7jv]

GIVE ME MORE ORCISH LORE, MASTER

[@RobertMalachowski]

Especially that lore on them riding killer whales to siege ships.

[@MrMoose-bl7jv]

@@RobertMalachowski deadass? thats wild if so

[@RobertMalachowski]

@@MrMoose-bl7jv It’s covered briefly by the Antiquarians in ESO about the Orcish siege gear, it seems pretty ridiculous. Tactical blockquote incoming: “Whale-bridle, from the clan's seafaring days. Their stories claim their ancestors tamed killer whales in the Abecean Sea and trained them for war. Riders could harpoon ships and steer them using the whales' strength. Evidence of a long-lost tradition.”

[@Betterthenme]

Malacath bless you brother I too require more lore of our people

[@jillbartolo5002]

Shor/Lorkhan will always be on the side of mortals. For the Padomaic God of Mortals shaped them and look out for them. Praise Shezar, Praise Lorkhan, Praise the God of Mortals!

[@excommunicatedpriest8984]

And yet again I have presented myself early to the almighty researchers of Nirn. Going beyond mortal means knowing that no matter where they may go I shall go as well. Anyway I'm going to watch the video now thanks again to everyone at Fudgemuppet!

[@m.dwaynesteckley4832]

In addition to learning more of the Elder Scrolls lore I've also taken an interest in the idea that our universe is actually a digital construct by an advanced civilization: a huge RPG. My biggest opposition to this theory is how complicated and depth there would have to bein that simulation. But then, as I listen to the depth of the Elder Scrolls, created in the 21st century, I can begin to understand how much more full and complicated a simulation could be developed a thousand years from now. Maybe it really is a thousand years from now and we're just npcs in a historical educational RPG. Thanks Fudgemuppet, I'll probably never sleep again.

[@ironreeve9370]

While Auri-El was the chief god of the Mer, I think he's also sympathetic to mortals, even humans. Maybe at Kyne's request, Akatosh likely gave the Dragonblood to the Dragonborn, likely both to aid the mortals (mainly men) of Skyrim, and to punish Alduin for his ego. That, and Pelinal calls out to "Aka" in bouts of madness, which could be interpreted as either Pelinal sharing a connection the Auri-El, or Lorkhan calling out Akatosh. That said, Shor/Lorkhan was likely the one who answered Alessia and sent Pelinal, Pelinal likely being a Shezzarin anyway

[@shakeandbakeeso8976]

Pelinal is my favourite, he’s an absolute beast

[@lagarona851]

I love your b-rolls, the way you do them. Good relaxing content as usual

[@wwerfvfd]

Love watching these while laying in bed

[@norrinradd6746]

Awesome video! 100% agreement here. Looks like you forgot to update the description from last week though.

[@Saltcrow]

I’m a simple man, I see pelinal I like

[@amethystwyvern]

Love your videos and your dedication to the series and lore. Good work fellas.

[@Notasheepleandneverwillbe]

In Skyrim you go to Sovenguard , you never meet Shor . But the dead people all talk like they have met Shor , Tsun tells you that his lord Shor has bade them not to venture into the mist . Way more proof than any earthen god , that Shor still has a physical form some where .

[@euanbascombe-mccarthy4465]

You are shot that’s whys he’s not there

[@Super50ldier]

His physical form is Nirn, that's why Shezarrines appear.

[@anitatillman9206]

​@@euanbascombe-mccarthy4465 Omg someone gets it. TLD is a Reincarnation of Lorkhan/Shor. A shezzarine people still think Alduim is Akatosh if that's the case then Lorkhan is stronger than Akatosh. When in reality Alduin is the 1st born of Akatosh

[@Ratich]

It's funny how Lorkhan in a sense reincarnates himself as great people and does something that changes Nirn forever.

[@trafledrakel7118]

Akatosh is portrayed as having two heads, one of a man and one of a dragon. Perhaps this is because Akatosh is the amalgamation of Auriel the dragon and Shezarr the protector of men. Akatosh is the protector of all mortals, which would be the result of combining the protector of men, Shezarr, and Auriel of the elves. Besides, in the vision where Alessia appears with a missing heart (hinting that it was actually Shezarr or a mixture of both), she is holding dragon fire in one hand and the amulet she received in the other, which also implies a combination of Auriel and Shezarr. During the Merethic Era and before, the Aedra following Auriel were in war against the Aedra who followed Lorkhan/Shezarr. Auriel’s side won, resulting in elvish rule throughout Tamriel, when Auriel and his follower Trinimac took Lorkhan’s heart. But when elves became tyrannic and sadistic slavers, it is possible that Akatosh did come to Alessia’s aid, in combined forces with Shezarr (or Kyne caring her husband’s will). This explains why elves never ruled Tamriel again, while Cyrodiil had three empires already, because this alliance of Auriel’s and Shezarr’s followers is still protecting this human nation, and this alliance is called The Eight Divines.

[@Super50ldier]

Yeah man, Shezarr even appeared with Akatosh during Alessia ascension.

[@Super50ldier]

Humans say that Shezarr created them out of nothing while the Elves say he tricked them into creating Mundus, becoming mortals.

[@ludovicdisson3668]

When Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan, it laughed at them. It said 'This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other.' I really love this passage in the Monomyth, because it explains a lot about Lorkhan and Mundus. His heart is the manifestation of his divine spark. The Aedra severed Lorkhan from his divine spark, but they could not destroy it, for he imbued Mundus itself with it. As long as Mundus exists, he will never cease to exist. The way I see it, his spirit still haunts Mundus like a ghost, and this link to the mortal plane allows him to reincarnate in mortals as a Shezarrine. Pelinal is widely believed to be a Shezarrine, just like it was shown in this video.

[@44CoReY44]

This is just a theory, but perhaps Talos, or at least the god version of himself, is in all actuality Shor, and Tiber Septim simply put on the mantle of Shor and ascended to godhood.

[@KnoxCarbon]

Like how the Hero of Kvatch became Sheogorath?

[@44CoReY44]

@@KnoxCarbon Yes, but with less cheese involved 😁

[@fckphoenixflavor7667]

I personally beleive that when the humans danced on the tower and broke auriel, they used shards of Lorkhan to piece together Akatosh. In doing so I think that Lorkhan was reborn in the dragon of the empire, a fusion of anu and padomay.

[@stepfatherphil]

I believe Akatosh was low key lorkhan in general And Basically became a combination of auriel and Lorkhan.. both gods that were created by the cosmic forces since worship can do weird things like combine deities and when the dragonbreak happened it was separating auriel and lorkhan. Not making two separate time gods. Just like how akatosh helped with the oblivian crisis.. he didn’t want his creation to be destroyed like with lygg. I dunno Thats my head cannon

[@callum4863]

This is brilliant, you need to do more on Shor

[@dakotacrum3872]

You guys make amazing videos

[@Ashock88]

The best prices in Cyrodiil guaranteed!

[@wernerolivier1134]

No kind Thalmor sir, I don't know of a person called FudgeMuppet.

[@callmemalik5469]

I have a question, what side would Tiber septim/talos prefer to win the civil war in skyrim the imperials or the stormclocks, now a lot of people will say the answer is obvious they'll say the stormclocks of course because he is one of the main reasons they're fighting against the empire but think of it, first of all Talos founded the empire, and there is a lot of imperials who worship him, and the empire didn't just band the worship of talos because they wanted to they didn't it was because of the white gold concordant with thos thalmore bitchez and if they refused the "pease" the empire would have been gone long ago, also when you side with the empire and win, general talius will tell you that his planning to do a second war with the thalmore and if they win of course the worship of talos will be free again so yeah I have this question in mind and hopefully one of you answer it :)

[@fantasywolf3074]

I feel like he would side with the Empire, because if the Stormcloaks win then Skyrim will be overrun by the Aldmeri Dominion, since the Stormcloaks would be weak from the war. Also, the Aldmeri Dominion might even take the Empire since the imperial legions would also be weak from the war.

[@sindrimyr5351]

im convinced that he would support the empire. he may have some lingering feelings about his homeland and people (if you adhere to his nord origin) but the empire as a whole is his creation, his child. so he would certainly aidd the empire, because in the end if the empire prevails and wins then the woorshipp of Talos will return on its own.

[@thecourierNCR]

everyone who sides with the empire never factors in the dragonborn for some reason. In the end it doesn't really matter since either way the dragonborn should go up against the thalmor after the main events of Skyirm

[@callmemalik5469]

@@thecourierNCR so gameplay wise the dragonborn is so strong I mean you can make a fork deal 7 billion damage but lore wise I don't think he can take the thalmore on his own because I mean the oldemary Dominion is so strong and he'll probably need a lot of help and the empire is much stronger than the stormcloaks they are more organized they have better armor and weapons and even if the stormcloaks win the civil war in Skyrim the empire still have a lot of provinces under there control so yeah that's my guess

[@MrMoose-bl7jv]

if he supported the stormcloaks i firmly believe the empire would just join the stormcloaks to fight the elves

[@Muninnswake]

Aduin may have been a part os Akatosh at some point but the the dragons including Alduin himself refer to him as the first born of Akatosh implying he is a separate entity altogether.

[@elric7415]

10:06-10:12 I kinda wanna see what the war between the “ancestors of men” & the “ancestors of elves” looked like

[@Super50ldier]

It's described in the Cyrodilic creation story "Shezarr's Song" and the Altmeri creation story "The Heart of the World", both in The Monomyth.

[@Super50ldier]

Shezarr led the Wandering Ehlnofey, the ancestors of Mankind and Auri-El and Trinimac led the Old Ehlnofey, the ancestors of Elves.

[@andrewcarrillo2940]

Just got back into eso with my bro and I'm loving every minute of it

[@Nerazmus]

You talk of gods, yet these weak spirits couldn't provide for this. For such a glorious revolution, for the beautiful change in the system, for the bloodsoaked destruction of the elven empire. No. None of these pretender gods could give those slave ambition to become free and the energy to do so. There was only true god who stood behind the human empires. The one that would eventually bring their end.

[@JohnKastoras]

But human empires will come to an end.

[@HickoryDickory86]

To hear Mankar Camoran talk, Mehrunes Dagon is a champion and defender of Lorkhan (and was created as such by the Magna Ge, purely Anuic beings), just as much as Boethiah, who revealed the Psijic Endeavor to Veloth and led him and his followers, the Chimer, to Resdayn, where the Heart of Lorkhan rested.

[@burnedbread4691]

The Mythic Dawn AND Thalmor both seem to have a gnostic vibe going on

[@aubreyreed5046]

Long live the Empire Long live the emperor

[@mahavishnu73]

Interesting insight. This is why I love this channel. You should try to get some interviews with some actual writers from Bethesda.

[@Valandar2]

So... Pelinal Whitestrake was, for all intents and purposes, a man-sized Numidium?

[@Valandar2]

Better explain... Chim El Adabal was formed from a drop of Lorkhan's heartsblood. So it was his heart, in miniature. The Numidium was a humongoid robot powered by the Heart of Lorkhan, and Pelinal Whistestrake was a man sized robot powered by a mini - heart of Lorkhan.

[@Super50ldier]

@@Valandar2 No, Pelinal Whitestrake was a Shezarrine, an aspect of Lorkhan or Lorkhan himself.

[@Valandar2]

@@Super50ldier He's also explicitly described as a robot. The Numidium, being powered by the Heart of Lorkhan, would hve been an aspect of Lorkhan. Therefore both are an aspect of Lorkhan, and Pelinal is a miniature Numidium.

[@Super50ldier]

@@Valandar2 No, the Numidium is not a Shezarrine.

[@Super50ldier]

@@Valandar2 Pelinal is not a Numidium, he is either Lorkhan himself or a manifestation of Lorkhan. Which explains why he has no heart.

[@SoulOfJustice1994]

This makes sense. The Amulet of Kings was not named the Amulet of Time or anything of the sort. Nothing that would be associated with Akatosh. Although, this does not explain why the embodiment of Martin's sacrifice to stop Mehrunes Dagon took the form of a golden dragon.

[@bleachmon1]

So this is my crazy theory. Shor and akatosh are connected/the same person. Here me out. Soverngard is shor’s realm, so why does Alcuin have the right to the souls of the Norse there? The nords worshiped shor as the chief god but let the dragons rule over them until they became tyranical. So why were devoted followers of shor happy to let aspects of akatosh/auriel rule over them for so long? Why do they also venerate the Dragonborn who is child of akatosh? If Akatosh wanted the world destroyed to regain his power why did protect it from mehrunes dagon? And why after Lorkan’s “betrayal” did he take his heart and use it to create the red mountain, one of the towers that uphold the world? Now think about what Akatosh’s aspect is. It’s time. And what is time? It’s how we measure change. But before the creation of mundus wasn’t everything static? So what did that mean for Akatosh? A god of time where nothing ages, where nothing changes? What kind of place was that for him. So at the very least I think Shor and Akatosh conspired together to create mundus and in doing so tied themselves together. Shor became mundus, a realm for Akatosh to rule, where time had meaning. That’s why Alethia is called the bride of shor and auriel in that story. That is why I. Imperial temples Akatosh has both the face of a dragon and a man. They were working together/ in unison the entire time. Like I said, crazy theory.

[@Super50ldier]

Because so he can eat the world as it's his duty as the Time God.

[@alpacalover0]

Deuterocanonical, but I think Kirkbride said at one point that Lorkhan and Akatosh are different persons of the same entity, and are inherently tied to one another, which would explain their strange connection (not to mention their status as each other's Anuic or Padomaic counterparts).

[@smokingbobs1344]

13:50 For a moment I was sure there was a train leaving the Imperial City in the background.

[@discoprince9065]

Fuck and I thought dark souls lore was confusing.

[@neilpritchard4100]

Lorkhan has a funny habit of pretending to be other gods. I'm 90% sure Orkey the snake was a guise Lorkhan used and then cast aside, hence the nordic god bearing minimal resemblance to Arkay.

[@starletveracity7413]

I don’t care what anyone says, Drew’s theories are canon

[@kekero540]

Pelinal whitestrake seems to me to be a manifestation of the Numidium. since the amulet of kings is apart of lorkhans heart (except seperated) it may be that a lesser form of the numidium formed around it during Alessia's Rebellion and of course this aspect of the Numidium may have had the mind of the underking. it could be that Ysmir Wulfharth rewrote Tamriels history when he became one with the Numidium in the plot of Daggerfall

[@JoshuaJohnson-pt6ks]

Here before 50k views

[@swoljoe]

Ditto

[@Priceluked]

What if Pelinal and the Amulet of Kings is Akatosh mixing his own blood with the Chim-el Adabal which already had Shezarr's blood in it? Combining the blood of Shezarr and Akatosh making the incredibly powerful Amulet of Kings.

[@smug3609]

First

[@swoljoe]

You spelt second wrong :P

[@JuliusCaminus]

We Colovians have always known that Shezarr was the one true god of Mundus and of man. DAMNED BE THE ELVES AND THEIR TREACHEROUS GODS!

[@BennyEternET]

The argument isn't "only" about the iconography, Martin Septim becomes an avatar of Akatosh when he breaks the amulet of kings.

[@Lodrik18]

The main quest line in Oblivion indicates that Mundus is just another plane of Oblivion and I once read the theory that Lorcan is its Daedric Prince (the Daedric Prince of change). The aspect of change made his realm completely different from all other planes of Oblivion (immortality is in some ways the opposite of change after all). This aspect is also the reason why his lieutenants or whatever could betray him and declare themselves gods ect. It feels far stretched at some points but it also explains all the big questions ^^