You're Wrong About Sex Offenders

You're Wrong About Podcast
Michael Hobbes & Sarah Marshall are journalists obsessed with the past. Every week they reconsider a person or event that's been miscast in the public imagination.
Sarah Marshall is a writer, podcaster, and media critic focused on setting straight our collective memory-or at least getting to the bottom of why we believe and in turn define ourselves by popular narrative and myth. She is the co-host of the popular modern history podcast You’re Wrong About, which has been highlighted in the New Yorker, the Guardian and Time Magazine.
Michael Hobbes Michael Hobbes is an American journalist and a former reporter for Huff Post.
Michael's article: www.huffpost.c...
Podcast recorded July 2019.

[@joschawil]

The US Constitution promises protections against the SOR that encompasses laws that violate the protections which the Constitution promises cannot be taken away and cannot be given up. The case of Marbury vs. Madison has ruled that the Constitution trumps all laws. The SOR then is a criminal Enterprise of states engaging in repugnant laws that amount to those on the registry being treated like garbage. Will our Constitution rule the day? No judge cares about our Constitution, otherwise the SOR would be overturned. There is no other option. But judges, statesmen, councils, and lawmakers are all complicit in criminal activity every time the bring up the words of the SOR. They should all be in jail for their criminal behavior.

[@martinkaye6397]

who says all sex offenders are child abusers or rapists and are going to do it again? what about the 2 children behind the bike shed at school one day? (are they going to do it again?)

[@sglevi2392]

No matter how the sex offender issue is looked upon, its obviously a violation of civil rights after the offender pays their debt to society through prison. We should all be careful of laws like these because today it's sex offenders rights being violated & tomorrow it could be drunk drivers, arsonist, murderers....in other words, this can eventually spill over & effect civil rights down the line for those that make mistakes & aren't offended forgiveness from society.

[@itszach6808]

Haha

[@12yearssober]

The fact is that this group has the lowest rates of recidivism. They are also the most likely group to be wrongfully convicted. Not everyone on the list actually harmed anyone. Almost everyone who commits these crimes were victims as a child. They are the only group that even if convicted and sentenced to the maximum sentence still ends up paying for their crime for the rest of their lives. Some states even hold them on civil commitments long after they complete their sentence. If a SO moves in next door to you the state wants you to know. If a murderer just released moves in next door the state does not feel the need to notify. A drug dealer who sells a product that kills people is treated better by the system than any SO. It's also another fact that the punishment is always more severe for men than a woman. Do they deserve to be punished for their crimes? Absolutely. Do they deserve to be punished beyond their incarceration? Absolutely not.

[@RJArens]

I read a interesting article on the weaponasation of sex offense laws. They're so easy to prosecute and requires very little than word of mouth to secure a arrest. I have a friend who had a prior from when he was a kid who's now civilly committed and not likely to ever get out. He worked 3 jobs, owned his home. He took in a homeless friend who had a kid. She wouldn't pay rent and ate up all his food. He put in to evict her and a couple days later he's in jail for diddling her kid. He lost his life so she could bilk him out of a extra month or two of free living. This was a good example of using sex offense as a weapon against another. Innocent people get hurt and takes credibility from legit cases.

[@darinclarke3111]

using the word rape to describe things that aren't rape minimalizes the horror of actual rape

[@SoulforSale]

Plus the monetization of the SRO policies

[@MarcG7424]

Sex Offenders are lumped into a one size fits all and it's assumed that everyone on the registry has committed the worst crime imaginable and that's not the case it also greatly hinders rehabilitation as well as the Offenders spouses and children

[@saturniansun8110]

True

[@Chamelionroses]

Some that do crimes and admit it such as even incest rape are not always on it. Affluenza rich to some religious and political leaders...just are ignored.

[@saturniansun8110]

@Brown Incel good point

[@saturniansun8110]

@Brown Incel I guess... It's all about chemistry and healthy relations. Almost sounds like low self esteem. Respect yourself And others will respect you for that

[@rachelpacey288]

Yes I'm currently living this nightmare and it's awful. Eveyone sees the sex offenders and not the family behind that person. Alot of these people have family's . So true !!!

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

Imagine if prosecutors had to face only 10% of the sentence of every person later who was found innocent that they withheld evidence to have put away....

[@JeremySparks-sp9og]

Yea I sued the state for wrongful and frivolous prosecution and won got charges off record and moved to California (unfortunately) and they make me wear a monitor still so it’s wild I’ve cut 5 of them so it’s wild

[@Tinman2955]

A lot of Homeless shelters won’t let a sex offender stay there. The punishment extends beyond your sentence and is a violation of human rights.

[@Skipbo000]

many in the US believe that any rights once afforded a person are null and void when deemed a sex offender; that sex offenders have no rights because sex offenders are not a regular human. they are a different species prone to do things which are inhumane. that's the hurdle we face. hard to argue with someone who doesn't believe you are human.

[@evolvep2747]

@@Skipbo000 cuz yall aint humans, yall are animals

[@zacharybrand8145]

@@evolvep2747 All humans are animals!

[@dianecleary1054]

They dont let them in because if it became known there could bé a murder .

[@dianecleary1054]

Many homeless are victims of pédophiles .

[@AlanWangVideos]

I think we need to talk about enforcing and having harsher punishments for those that falsely accuse somebody. Those people should be on a registry type thing.

[@jophieldrums]

People won't understand until it's their loved one on the registry. The way these laws are evolving. The probability of landing on the registry just gets bigger and bigger.

[@Chamelionroses]

I guess one can march with reformed and MAPs to points with many reformed murderers. Though serial rapists and serial murderers ...well not sure even if they are kids can be reformed.

[@saturniansun8110]

Can't understand until they can relate...

[@theboss6402]

I lost my family over fireworks then got accused of sex assault incest in the process of fighting for my 6 babies return. Well after 2 years of fighting for them I lost the fight to accusations without supporting evidence. I am a victim not a perpetrator. My shoes could easily fit your feet be careful how you run your family what state your in and the median income of the area, be careful how you treat others.

[@theboss6402]

@Brown Incel yes until I beat My appeal or my son tells the truth.

[@heychimney007]

You won't understand until your loved one is the victim of a sex offender.

[@martinkaye6397]

i am on the list in the uk and have just started a worldwide petition to change this terrible system and i would be most glad of your signature the file is found under : reforming the sex offenders registration for a much better system - change

[@leonardothefabulous3490]

Best of luck, but it's a waste of time to even consider a "worldwide" effort. Countries/nations don't make laws based upon those of other nations. It's tough enough getting one state (in the US) to do anything based upon a neighboring state. Gettin gthe Us, GB or Japan to do something simply because the other is doing it isat best, a long shot, at reality, a no-shot.I (strongly)suggest you focus your eforts on YOUR nation. And again, good luck.

[@Lolandwha5]

Why are you in the register may I ask?

[@saturniansun8110]

​@@Lolandwha5because it makes money for the state.

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@saturniansun8110In America but UK registrants don’t pay anything to register.

[@Saymako_]

​@@IndianCurrycel some states in America don't have to pay either

[@voluntarism335]

That story enrages me, that is literal slavery

[@standardyeepz]

many offenders are victims themselves who couldn’t break the cycle

[@zacnok]

So true, take that to another level if things continue the way they're going; today's victim will be tomorrow's "offender" and the cycle continues...

[@seattlejayde]

This came up in my algorithm, really enjoyed and learned a lot. Thanks

[@bryanmoore6327]

My son got arrested for having like 8 pics and one video of girls under 18 and is looking at up to 10 years in prison. He didn’t contact anyone in any way just found the pics on the internet and so there is no victims named. All he’s ever done is work and has no criminal history whatsoever not even a traffic ticket. His public defender talked him into pleading guilty and he was detained until sentencing and he is going to lose his pickup and everything he’s worked for. He is just simply not a criminal but he has definitely been treated like one. I used to have a lot of respect for the criminal justice system but I have lost that

[@ZaddyDenz]

Don't ever trust the government

[@IndianCurrycel]

Tell your son to find a slaughterhouse job since they don’t do background checks.

[@Transform108]

I really appreciated the levity, pragmatism, and candor of this thoughtful conversation. We need more of them.

[@AthenaMarriesDionysus]

You're both really eloquent!! My friend will love this! Michael! When you speak about low recidivism, it is well worth adding that the great majority of rapes and other sexual crimes that will be committed by registered sex offenders will not lead to an arrest let alone reconviction. The actual rates of recidivism, as far as I know, are unknown. So be cautious.

[@AthenaMarriesDionysus]

@Brown Incel You are probably right! Yay!!

[@leonardothefabulous3490]

You comment is a bit confusing; if a person is "registered" then they've not only been "caught," they 've been convicted (or plead). And once registered, they are under greater "observation" than ANY oner group (save maybe, terrorist) on the planet, making it so very difficult to do anything illegal-without getting caught. And, the "rate of recidivism" isn't based upon what you or I know or think, it's based upon empirical evidence; how many said individuals are arrested for a new crime.

[@WilliamBarrs]

It only takes one person SAYING something against you and you are punished for life. Unconstitutional

[@IndianCurrycel]

I agree because women are still mad about what happened to them in the past when they had no rights and were property so some women are falsely accusing men of domestic abuse and rape. Women have rights now and are taking over.

[@WilliamBarrs]

@IndianCurrycel I was I was tricked to take a plea that put me on the registry without me even knowing it until 4 years later.

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@WilliamBarrs I’m sorry to hear that. I’m a virgin and I never had s3x before because no women approached me for dating and s3x. I hope you get off the registry and sue the woman that falsely accuse you.

[@WilliamBarrs]

@@IndianCurrycel thank you. It is definitely an injustice that needs to be fixed

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@WilliamBarrs I agree. Not all men are responsible for what their ancestors did to the women of the past. You and me who was born in 1993 is not responsible for what happened to women of the past.

[@mdavisblack8263]

ACTUALLY Ladys. There are More INNOCENT MEN,on the REGISTRY. Than, GUILTY. Given the accusations Alone. Is what CONVICTED,him.

[@strofly122]

Can’t keep backing people in a corner with nothing to lose…nothing is going to get done about it. Sometimes you have to make an example…

[@KevinLockamy]

One thing that I've found curios is the fact that we have all these anon support groups for healing and preventing future poor behaviors that mostly only effect the person getting the help and are only tangentially prosecutable. And yet if someone is seeing themselves going down a path like the 'Luis' case, where do they go to get help before or without being arrested and sentenced to life on the registries. If the goal was truly about prevention, then where is the effort to prevent before the offence has occurred.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

Your right. This country is always trying to rehab and help find ways for people to do better. We don’t do the same for sex offenders. We treat them like the worst kind of dirt and other crimes are nisy as harmful, some such as murder is worse.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

Right they aren’t trying to prevent. They aren’t studying it and people who work with sex offenders in prison don’t see the same things the public is seeing. These aren’t monsters. Many of them either made a mistake and aren’t even sex offenders by nature at all and others have struggles that need help. They can’t find anyway to seek help. Some of these offenders were once victims of sexual abuse themselves such as the person I personally know. Was a victim themselves but growing up was never allowed to talk about it and never got treatment for it. People hush sexually problems. Eventually this victim started seeking the same kind of attention as he did as a child because that was the only kind of love he knew. Working with this person he has learned to understand his pattern was to seek love thru the way he was abused and has become a better person and understands. Making their life better to heal and deal with the trauma they faced as a child. Now this person is a monster but was once a victim that never got any proper help.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

So when I see people fighting so hard for victims and then threatening the sexual offenders. I think to myself your a hypocrite. This monster was once the Victimn your fighting for but why did he never get help for it? No one fought for his innocence!when I look at his child picture. That was a voice that never got heard. Abuse affects people mentally. Being forced to hush, because no one wants to deal with it. Some of these monsters we are talking about were once child victims and the person I know was. I still care about this person. I know I’m this person eyes you can see the abuse in the persons face still lingering on. The pain all the years of suffering with a death sentence as a child and now is getting another death sentence as an adult from a chance of being understood, healing the hidden wounds, creating a happy chance at life, and getting a chance to be truly loved. Has been stripped from this person by those who so hardly believe they are protecting victims. He was a Victimn…

[@brittanyritenour4695]

When taking someone’s life is worse then a sex crime. But treated oppositely

[@brittanyritenour4695]

They aren’t preventing they are trying to completely eliminate these people from our sight because it makes everyone else feel better because revenge is justice to people in this country and in humanity is tolerated for those offenders in Florida who have no where to go but they say it’s their fault.

[@RandomDad2024]

We act like we’re so civilized that’s what gets me so you gotta send postcards so you gotta share your scarlet letter per se. What a fucked up government.

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

To be fair, 8 years prison is 1/2 the time the guy got at the capital city protest that threw a chair and caused zero serious injuries.

[@saturniansun8110]

It's good to hear people talk about this...

[@user-yf7gw4je2d]

And people that don’t research the subject fail to understand a lot of people on the registry have misdemeanor crimes but are placed on there because of the nature of the offense. Not taking up for anyone or making it seem less serious just facts

[@expatwill]

All the more reason to leave the US if it were me there's no hope for this place.

[@theyoungcentrist9110]

People also attacked me for defending pedophiles on Twitter and calling me a pedo sympathizer for saying that sex offenders are humans beings also & should always be treated equally. Man, but some people put the notion of mass punishment and retribution over developing an understanding with the offender.

[@saturniansun8110]

Most pedos are obsessed with power... Something about the theft of innocence... And this is unaceptable ... These people need help... Before they psychologically harm a child.

[@saturniansun8110]

@Brown Incel Although I agree with this statement... I don't agree with people who hurt children. Why is it hypocritical ? Because Epstein's associates haven't been investigated? Because Obama wore a band aid around a certain finger? Maybe it's because Hillary and Bill Clinton have Not been arrested for the crimes they have BOTH done would make it hypocritical. Only this makes sense to me... That a person or a people in "so called" Powerful positions can do such things... and the rest of those who have Not Actually harmed someone cannot speak freely If one knows about these things that go on in America's own "govern ment" If Not... Then those should learn more.

[@saturniansun8110]

@Karsten Fohler both parties suffer.

[@RJArens]

I always found it funny how if you let a drug user move into the neighborhood the crime rate goes up. If a sex offender moves to a neighborhood the crime rate stays the same but they'll rake these guys across the coals and give parole after parole to homicidal, gun toting, cracked out drug dealers with mean streaks a mile wide. Sex offenders get a bad rap but druggies get chance after chance and their product often perpetuates the criminal activities that keep crime rates high. That and they'll steal anything in sight to sell to get high. I'd rather have a sex offender for a neighbor than a druggie. I want to keep the stuff I worked hard to pay for.

[@davidalexander422]

Why is the term pedophile being lumped together with sex offender? Believe it or not, 70 to 75% of all convicted SOs are not pedophiles.

[@howardjones4852]

I would like to tell my story briefly, I am one of the first group of people to be placed on Megan’s law in 1994 For lifting up a girl skirt at school I just turned 14 years old . I am now 43 years old which means I been on there for 30 years . I was forced to drop out of school in the 8th grade because of this and I choose to work instead. I choose to learn about Glass which is called a Glazier and I am one of the best Glaziers in the country. Why have I been on there so long is the million dollar question ? At the age of 18 I had consensual sex with a 14 year old who told me she was 17 , she got pregnant and that’s how my name came up. I was arrested and was told her real age. I did 2 years in prison and was released in 2003 I then found out I would have to be on Megan’s law for 15 years with a parole officer and was given dozens of Unhuman rules , requirements and restrictions I was completely shocked. I Did about 7 years and they found out I was one of the top 10 charcoal artists in the country and just opened my own Glass company LLC . I was starting to make the papers from my art so they took me off the registry but kept me on supervised psl. I ended up doing 15 years on parole or Psl as they call it and the most I got was a small motor vehicle ticket in all that time. I was easily removed from the psl after 15 years which was 2018 , my lawyer was fighting for me to be removed from Megan’s law all together but the court said hey remember when u were 14 and lifted a girl skirt up ? Well we are not removing u off . That made me stronger to be even more successful, so I started more businesses and always stayed as a Glazier to the point where I became so good no matter what glass company I worked for I was the highest paid employee. I was never fired from a job because of this , I never was turned down from a job , I was never denied a apartment or house. I have horror stories from life on psl and I mean horror stories. I would like to tell those stories along with how I beat them and didn’t fail in life and right now I am extremely successful. I earn a 6 figure salary, I had No problems since I been removed from Psl until Now . I had a opportunity in Arizona where I can double my success and the NJ detective found out and violated me for leaving NJ and not telling Arizona police that I was there to work within 10 days smh . I am pissed that Law does Not want anyone on Megan’s law to be successful. I have a story where a police officer tried to set me up in NJ for crimes he knew I didn’t commit and if I didn’t have the money or resources I would have went back to jail and everything I done would have been wasted. But I out smarted him and hired a private investigator and he got the truth and all charges was dropped with a apology from the judge I have that report right now in my icould that I want to make public a long with all the illegal stuff I seen in these past 30 years . I have stories and proof that will raise so many eyebrows My email is [e-mail]

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

52:07 there’s a recent case of a girl being convicted of distributing child porn and whatnot and her principle as well cuz she sent nudes to a friend and the principle confiscated the phone it’s a whole mess

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

The guy (because of course it was a guy charged) who got 2 layers of offenses for both creating and owning child porn for being 17 and having photos of his own growing changing body on his phone is just overly normal. It is disgusting.

[@natashaharvey8340]

As some one that was r word ( I know youtube would hate the whole word) I don't hold it agaist anyone other then the one that did it to me and even then I only hope he gets the help he needs and doesn't do it to anyone else again. In fact I am engaged to someone that was conficted of being an S.O. and he got put back in to prison because his P.O said he violated his parole because he misssed a appoment because a city bus that was going to be his ride broke down. I am looking on how to help my fiance out because it was his first parole violation his P.O. put him back in for a year and a helf. I will NEVER stop being a voice that Will be heard. I am even studying law because of what is going on with my fiance and many other's out there.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

If boys young teenagers if all of them were truly examined they’d all be in prison as sex offenders cuz all young men get involved in sexual activities of which in most cases landed some unfortunate young teens in jail . For instance nude pictures or porn, I don’t know one single guy not one who has never asked for a nude, never watched porn, or never saw a nude, never had sex or sexual activity, I don’t know one guy who hasn’t

[@TristanWintle]

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Watching porn, having sex, and asking for nudes aren't fucking sex offenses, literally what?

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@TristanWintleit if your underage

[@zacnok]

I live in fear now when I go out; what if I see a group of young men (or women) jumping another child (or anyone)...or a toddler that looks out of place how should I react, or a young child who might otherwise be okay being out alone, but maybe I have knowledge or suspicion that they may have mental defect... I cry when I watch the TV show What Would You Do. These things run through my mind far too often. I really hope this makes sense. 😶‍🌫️

[@Non-existent_Creature]

I understand the need to be somewhat civil, but y'all should harshly punish everyone who supported putting public urinators on the sex offender registry.

[@IndianCurrycel]

It was Karen’s and soccer moms

[@monicamitchell7827]

Definitely Karen's

[@joschawil]

How does making the world dangerous make the world safe?

[@joschawil]

"Any law repugnant to the Constitution is null and void" Marbury vs. Madison 5 US (Cranch) 127, 161,167.

[@Tinman2955]

Amen 🙏

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

I can almost understand being "discernably turgid", which means if you are aroused as a male and someone can figure that out using all 5 senses and a common device on their person unrestrained to the best of their ability, being "public indecency", but the fact it is "indecent exposure" and puts you on a sex offense registery (PRAY A CHILD IS NOT WITHIN 1000 YARDS) is absolutely insane. Any feminist woman who ever even unknowingly was sexually aroused in public needs to shut up about men not not having rights to their bodies and that they have no restrictions. Most women would be in jail as a sex offender if they had the accountability of a man for 1 year. What millenial woman never once had sex with a man with a blood alcohol over .08 and therefore could not legally be able to consent? How many high profile "me too" convictions were transparent romance scams and were sentenced anyway?

[@WilliamBarrs]

Love this

[@deoglemnaco7025]

I myself was a prolific and legendary Sex Predator back in the day! When I was convicted it really sucks for me

[@AtheosATFive]

Right at the end there one of you too I won't say which 1 said something and it's nearly brought you to the truth.

[@popeyevalls]

Y'all certainly said it much better than I ever could have expressed on my own. My story would make your stomach turn. Our justice system, both criminal and civil are far more perverted than the sex offenders that they charge and incarcerate. I am an ex-police officer of 16 years and a registered sex offenders for life but my probation was only 6 years. Go figure. I've spent over $100,000 so far in court fees, lawyer fees, counseling, polygraphs, urinalysis, probation fees and registration. Boy that's just the tip of the iceberg. BTW, my so called "victim" was 16 and COMPLETELY CONSENTED until her mother found out. I was the adult in the decision and I should've controlled my urges but I gave into temptation and paid the price. Hang tough Brock. Your story is being felt and heard.

[@evolvep2747]

how old were you ?

[@DarkAuraDeathAngel]

Why does it matter? he paid the price did he not?

[@IndianCurrycel]

There are lot of ex police officers on the sex offender registry.

[@stuartobrien78]

Anti depressants can fix up sexual offending

[@bobcat24]

How

[@matthewd1094]

No, counseling does. The counseling is actually (and statistically) effective. Educate yourself

[@IndianCurrycel]

By lowering your sex drive

[@kingbehemoth7821]

I’m getting kicked out of my residents for being on the registry. I never did anything except look at porn.

[@Skippy34]

what kind? interesting you left that out...

[@davidalexander422]

​@@Skippy34 you can fill in the blank, can't you?

[@ellena.8369]

@@davidalexander422 it doesn't do you nor anyone else any good to presume as though you know commenters' lives, let alone crimes they have committed so don't speak on what you don't know. He admitted to being on the registry. Leave it at that and reserve your presumption for your own future and eventual demise thanks to a meaningless existence we're all enduring while others are being born and dying at this very second. AKA shutty. Thanks.

[@evolvep2747]

child porn probably

[@luci-fer250]

he means looking at the secretive porn is why hes on the registry

[@suefleming]

Sex offenders that are trying to reform, are definitely good people. I have committed sins in my life, and I want a second chance. I live in a glass house, and I'm not about to throw stones.

[@luceatlux7087]

Oh F this. I was curious about the title but I need to leave. My level of disdain towards idiotic society is so high. It reminds me of the murderer-rapists in prison trying to be morally superior by judging and murdering someone who is 19 who had sex with his 17 yr old girlfriend... Nah bub, you're MUCH worse than that "sex offender," and in the VERY WORST cases, you all are equally sht. I remember when my uncle got caught for literally letting his robe swing open by his step kids who hated him cuz he was strict. He purportedly did it ONCE when he had to run out of the bathroom in a hurry. It was the oddest legal debacle I have ever seen in my life, especially because I know my cousins VERY WELL. Tbh, they are some of the biggest druggie whores in Ohio. When we talked about it, they laughed like hell about it and meanwhile this dude's life is demolished. Just incredible. Both I AND SOCIETY are lucky I never got caught for stuff I did when I was a stupid teen. I looked at EVERYTHING on the net during my curious explorative phase of life. I got it out of my system in a year or two and never looked back. I don't even look at vanilla porn to this day. I have 3 speeding tickets in my life for my entire criminal record. But IF I was treated like this by society... oooo... anything I say after this could potentially literally get me indicted. Suffice to say that I would not be happy about it...

[@TwistedSanity249]

I would lose my mind if I was on the registry, I would probably unalive the first person that treats me like a second class citizen and then unalive myself.

[@luceatlux7087]

@@TwistedSanity249 Firstly, this is all hyperbole and obviously not serious. We are just venting here... But I know what you mean... There are ~ 3 or so freaky, shit-in-the-fan level situational-fears I have, where it's like dead-ends in life that I know I MUST avoid at all costs... For random instance, I got another fun hypothetical for ya': You are in th worst chronic pain imaginable and a doctor refuses to give you pain meds that would uttrly relieve it (docs are getting so scared at this point that they're beginning to straight refuse to treat legitimate pain patients). That's another situation where it might get to inevitable psycho-time. I mean, to sit there in serious pain, night after night, dwelling on the fact that your hand was arbitrarily slappd away from accessing ample relief sitting right on a shelf somewhere... that would send me off the deep end. The scariest part of some of this stuff is how sure I would be about it... I would feel like my actions were literally fighting evil or truly evil people (I mean, wouldn't one have to be evil to leave you in intractable serious pain?). If i had to go out in order to put up a resistence against a genuine evil, so be it.

[@goodmew1763]

This was an amazing, thought-provoking analysis.

[@kurtisroberts9375]

I am not deemed dangerous

[@deoglemnaco7025]

I am! I am a PROUD level 3.

[@kurtisroberts9375]

I can't even get into a relationship

[@kurtisroberts9375]

It is absolute truth

[@IndianCurrycel]

Find a homeless woman. Homeless women will date and marry you.

[@enterprise0523]

I’m a sex offender that’s been off of probation for over 14 years now & I’m still on the registry. It’s hard to find adequate living conditions or even find meaningful relationships with other people.

[@SoulforSale]

Lifetime registration means forever

[@evolvep2747]

serves you right

[@martinkaye6397]

@@evolvep2747 suposing he peed on a wall (which is still sex offence)

[@martinkaye6397]

@@evolvep2747 suppose he peed on a wall (wich is a sex offence)

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@evolvep2747Why leave a comment if it’s unhelpful

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

Remember back in 90's and early 2000's highschool when 1/4 millenial girls claimed that they were sexually assaulted by a classmate by the time they were 17, being in a school of 3000 kids, and trying to figure out if 375 dudes all got one girl each or if 60 kids (normally psychopath+sociopath percentage) pre internet for most people and no cell phone managed to get 6 girls each? Or like one guy with infinite game got all 375 and never got caught? Remember looking around and trying to figure out who those people were? Remember the huge amont of girls that started up vague non commital "me too" stories after each one of those assemblies?

[@evanstein3011]

Of course they have to bring up "misogyny" and racism even though stats show RSOs are proportionate racially (about 60% white and 15% black) and 94% are male. Isn't misandry a more operative concept, then?

[@IndianCurrycel]

Yes the sex offenders registry is Misandry and discriminates against unattractive male. Thank god I’m a virgin

[@dianecleary1054]

First offense ? First time they were caught obviously . Please get real . More careful in the future hence less likely to be caught again or now they are outed its difficult for them to decieve and find oppurtunitys to offend .

[@matthewd1094]

Wrong. The recitavism rate is very low because treatment and counseling actually works. The punishment is severe enough to curtail future offenses as well literally and factually 90% of sex offenders never offend again. There's no "more careful in the future" because they mostly want to change their life and become a productive human being and member of society. Educate yourself more before you spew hatred.

[@user-cn8ip5ym3j]

in canada the registry is not public facing and an offender does not get put on it until the 2nd offense. if you can earn a certificate of rehabilitation you can petition canada to allow you to migrate to canada.. and they have lots of jobs.. this is what ive found out watching all these youtube sex offender registration vids.. also these u.s.a. sex offender laws have been ruled to be inhumane in Germany. and you wont be listed if you can migrate there and ask for asylum based on inhumane sex offender registry. in the ghana they dont treat sex offenders any differently than non sex offenders. you can go there and petition for citizenry and change your name. also quit your american citizenship so you can travel most everywhere without issues. you can reclaim your life. you might have to learn new languages. but you can live like a human and no one cares about youre sex offense. I wish i had the money to migrate. The reality i live in is horrendous here in the u.s. I committed my crime in 2002 and i was forced to register upon the charges. not conviction. and then i should be getting off the active registration in a couple years. but i still dont have money to petition the court or sustain my self in basic living. I was forced to register in prison and you know. every u.s. american hates an ex sex offender. so it turns out that the u.s. has used its muscle to get mexico to not allow sex offenders to enter mexico.. money is tied to this hate.. used their muscle to get china an phillipines to not allow sex offenders there and actually kicked out ex sex offender residents there in both countries. once your off the public registry; the law still holds you responsible for life to the notification of leaving the country and registering a move to somewhere else. or to work somewhere else. still registering as far as i can understand it. just not public facing. Argentina was a good place to get a new life. but now they have moved politically far right and its hard to go there now.

[@IndianCurrycel]

I live in Canada and they don’t allow felons or sex offenders to immigrate there

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

46:09 also like knowing someone is a sex offender isn’t helpful! If you don’t want to live by sex offenders then like when you look at the maps it doesn’t tell you what it is half the time. The nature of the crime is what’s actually something people would want to know. I used to live next door to a guy on the registry. The nature of his crime? Being a teenager having sex with his teenage girlfriend very consensually.

[@salvador8923]

“very consensually” obviously not because he was placed on the registry

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@salvador8923no he’s right two teens having consensual s3x can put one of them on the registry if the state don’t have Romeo and Julie’s laws and the age of consent is 18

[@kurtisroberts9375]

Mine was increased to 25

[@alextinsley9117]

The gross misunderstanding here, as with nearly everybody who addresses this topic, is the utterly fallacious conflation of the term pedophile with sex offender. The two are NOT synonymous, not on any level. Of all convicted sex offenders and those on the registry are not pedophiles or "child" abusers. The vast majority are totally normal people who simply succumbed to temptation one time with a late, already sexually active, adolescent - which is not a child. A minor, yes, but not a child. Most of these misadventures were consensual. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Sexual attraction to a sexually mature teenager is 100% psychosexually normal. Society has decided not to approve of a "legal" adult having sex with an adolescent, perhaps for good reasons, but the legal adult who crosses this line is 98% of the time not a child predator, abuser, or any other sort of deviant. They were just stupid. Any this is just the case for adult/minor contact crimes. The number of totally harmless non-contact crimes that can land someone on the registry. Not only is the registry and all the cottage industries that profit from this a total sham, but the very perception of the "sex offender" is based on bogus interpretations of sexual (some not even sexual) behaviors, and a few heinous crimes that occur so infrequently they are statistically insignificant. It's literally the stuff of Franz Kafha's worst nightmares.

[@kurtisroberts9375]

Here in my state they they send out underage porn and ask for it back. If you send it back they will arrested

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@Brown Incel they did the same thing with my case and asked 4 times if they were cops trying to snare me. 4 times they lied plus they were in an adult chat

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@Brown Incel original got changed on the they charged me with cause it wasn't constitutional but they kept me registering

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@Brown Incel I am listed tier 2 based on the offense. I was never ever charged before with a felony

[@JonnyAugz]

What state?

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@@JonnyAugz Kansas

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

To most victims I know, it was a girl in a van and mother and a sister problem. 54:41. Going after the "patriarchy systems of power" would have done nothing for them.

[@robertengland8769]

I'm lucky enough to not be on the registry anymore. Do like I did. Build yourself a 12 guage pipe shotgun to protect yourself. Be safe out there.

[@bobcat24]

“Anymore”? What does that mean?

[@KoopaHigh]

​@@bobcat24it means he's a secks offender who thinks just cause their name is off the registry means it somehow disappears but once a SOR always a SOR

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@KoopaHighI guess once a woman beater always a woman beater right? Not true.

[@ernestwaltz3054]

We need people like you to kick some serious ass & straighten all this BS Out

[@theboss6402]

Kids do lie also

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

5:45 teen is literally a genre too there are lots of “teen” actors in their 30s

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

I have been accused 4 times because I was a "weird guy" that did not fall into one of the half dozen accepted off the shelf form fit flavours of men that was required to be deemed as human to millenial women. Ask me anything. If born 20 years later I would have been just fine.

[@JS-hg4vj]

Actually some of your information was inaccurate for example you used the example of a young Nashville man saying he was require registry for 15 years but in Tennessee it has always been 10 years unless they were consider a violet offender then it is for life. This change in 2014 where they included sexual offenses against children as a life time offense too making three classification in Tennessee. Sex offenders, violet, and sex offenders against children. Additionally 42:10 it was said that recidivism occur at 10% it is actually much lower, it is 5.3%. Sex offenders are the second lowest criminal offense for recidivism closely behind murder in relation to re-offending.

[@heychimney007]

In Tennessee

[@Chamelionroses]

Is it nature or nurture ...that is of the mental heal issue? The neglect and abuse of serial rapists or those that desire to rape. Otherwise people don't know or care if people are not obsessed about such things like a porn addiction for sadistic rape of animals and kids. Though people don't like it when others are raped either most of the time most places. Of course those with mental health issues neglected are humans too

[@saturniansun8110]

Yes... It is definitively a mental health issue. It's normally about power or repeat of a cycle.

[@martinkaye6397]

to leanardo: understand what you mean, but i am continuing in my country.

[@joschawil]

Modern day slavery

[@dr.rajeevbhattacharya3244]

As the father of a young child, I strongly disagree with almost everything you say, but I respect your thoughtfulness and your rights to your opinions.

[@dianecleary1054]

The info on child videos is misinformation . Should have payed more attention to the dam rainbow .

[@malcolmburbank5823]

Wonderful podcast. Thank you for sharing.

[@dantethehuman3283]

I’d love to come on and tell my story

[@rhubarb3.14]

You keep saying "only X%" do this horrific terrible disgusting thing. Any percent is too much. You were my favorite podcast and now I'm LIVID. I feel absolutely betrayed.

[@luci-fer250]

mission accomplished

[@kurtisroberts9375]

Unfortunately I don't know any homelessness

[@scotthertzig2018]

I would love to tell my story to Mike and Sarah! It is not like any story they heard! It will add interesting perspective. I. Ready to tell it! Any contact info is helpful!

[@kurtisroberts9375]

I believe you completely

[@Skipbo000]

you got caught with a "binder full" of nude images of children under 10. what is so unique about your story? you knew it was wrong. had heard of the harsh treatment of sex offenders in this country but did it anyway. why? that would be the most interesting thing to know about your story.

[@SimpleMindedGenius73]

You mention some states require convicted sex offenders to take a polygraph. Thats true for Missouri where I live. This has me wondering. During my initial investigation I was offered the polygraph with the promise of charges dropped if I pass. When I agreed, because I know damn well I'm innocent, the prosecutor took the deal off the table. One year in jail later he makes the same deal. This time I get to take the polygraph. I pass. Easily. He goes back on his word, like prosecutors do. What happens if I show them my original polygraph that I passed?

[@FloridaActionCommittee]

If a plea agreement isn't in writing before the court then it's worthless. Police and prosecutors lie all the time to get what they want. Point is, you passed the polygraph. Great! Now get a lawyer, take another polygraph administered by a third party and let the lawyer use those to get your charges dropped. A deal worth accepting is one where you don't have to register, anything else is worthless. Staying off the registry - that should be your #1 priority. They want to put you on a registry? Then make them go all the way to a jury trial. (This is opinion as a result of personal experience. This is NOT legal advice.)

[@TrishFLmom]

Polygraphs are not admissible in court but they can use it to re incarcerate you if you fail it. Dumb.

[@SimpleMindedGenius73]

@@TrishFLmom But I didn't fail it. I passed it and would pass it again.

[@luci-fer250]

you cant do that poly's are inadmisable in court even if you passed and the prosecutor knew that this is why he went back on the deal he knew you couldnt do a darn thing about it and he wasnt going lose your case and have egg on his face plus he made the deal so you would say yes and take the poly he was hoping you would fail.

[@englishrogue2649]

there's so much good sense packed into 60 minutes - but virtually everyone will stick their fingers in their ears and hum because they just do not want to have their easy prejudices challenged. well done for trying though

[@TrishFLmom]

What about the participation of said victim (consent) but the arrest was on body cam, goes viral, and now the offender has been made to look like he kidnapped and raped her when that was not AT ALL what happened? My LO is now spending 40 years behind bars plus 30 years probation and lifetime registry. First offense and youthful offender. I’ll likely be dead and gone before he gets out unless God has a different plan. Oh and his dad died 7 months before the incident. 😢

[@kurtisroberts9375]

Kansas

[@kurtisroberts9375]

The registry should only be for law enforcement and let parents parent. And needs to be only be no more 10 years

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@Brown Incel where you located?

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@Brown Incel okay but you just moved with your family?

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@Brown Incel that is good

[@fernando6801]

So if Canada recognizes that the sex offender registry is unconstitutional, why can't a sex offender come in to Canada to visit, work, or live there? Does a sex offender need representation from a good attorney in order to be admitted to Canada? I ask these questions because no one will hire me in the United States. How am I supposed to make a living? Being homeless is not safe for anyone especially when you have bigots & police officers oppressing sex offenders.

[@luci-fer250]

36 years for me

[@joschawil]

Please keep it in place. Those on the registry are free to come and go as pleased. It's their neighbors who are incarcerated in their homes. As the grapevine speaks, soon the whole city will be afraid to come out of their homes. Isnt this what the list was for in the first place?

[@luci-fer250]

the registry was created so people would know where they live so the parents could teach thier children to stay away

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@luci-fer250actually the registry was created for the government to get more money from citizens since taxes aren’t enough. So the sex offenders that pay for ankle monetaring, gps monetiring, registration fees, probation fees and parole fees all goes to federal government

[@robnorman6809]

you have the "face" of the registry

[@whitelivesmatter2396]

It doesn’t matter if he thought she was 16 or 14 she was kid and he knew it you guys are just trying to justify these people sick behavior

[@buttercups616d]

14 and 16 are not children but teens

[@salvador8923]

@@buttercups616dTeenagers between the ages of 13-17 are children under the law, are elderly people not adults because they are called seniors/elderly? Quit being dumb.

[@salvador8923]

you’re right

[@buttercups616d]

@salvador8923 also the definition of children is the age they didn't reach puberty so no they aren't considered children in a biological perspective, legally yes, but then again in my previous comment their are issues with having a thin line of calling teenagers children

[@salvador8923]

⁠​⁠@@buttercups616dThe only thing that matters is the legal preservative, 13-17 are children nothing to argue here.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

Has anyone seen the KZbin video of the people in Florida under a bridge. Look at the comments and it’s pretty awful.

[@brittanyritenour4695]

Mean while the same kind of thing is happening in another country to the mentallly I’ll and Americans are upset and find it horrible disgusting and injustice but we do the samething to sex offenders. We judge them all by one simple label and no way for them to have a proper second chance or be rehabbed or even some don’t harm others at all such as a guy sleeping with his under age girlfriend. I heard a story of two people in that situation where the girlfriends parents turned the boyfriend in cuz they slept together

[@Tinman2955]

Follow @jayfion

[@stuartobrien78]

Ant I depressan

[@pumpkin1982]

This is absolutely avoidable. You’re insane to advocate for these predators. You think you’re being loving. You aren’t. Evil is real.

[@PieInTheSky9]

You're feeding into hate and evil.

[@jax3695]

@@PieInTheSky9there are people who aren’t redeemable and will use any kindness you give them to fuck you over. You’ve lived far to sheltered of a life if you think everyone can have a change of heart.

[@PieInTheSky9]

@@jax3695 Then keep them in jail if they are that dangerous. Otherwise let them move on with their lives.

[@Sam-fp8zm]

we need both sides of the justice system for it to be balanced. these people have their role in the system arguing their POV and then the other side can listen and decide if they have valid points and then reform laws if the people think so.

[@Snorlax220]

@@jax3695You’re right, a guy who peed in public won’t have a “change of heart.”

[@whitelivesmatter2396]

What about the victims of these crimes or are we allowed a moment to think of them these are little children who are forever messed up mentally by these monsters and am sorry but sex offenders are demons how can they be human but have intercourse with a child

[@Saymako_]

So you think everyone on the registry Raped or molested a child?

[@IndianCurrycel]

The offenders can marry their victims to make amends just like in the bible

[@monicamitchell7827]

Some of these "children" are in consensual relationships with their teenage boyfriend. They're in high school, or one high school one college.

[@lap9216]

Pedophilia is against God and nature, and it should be punished. You don't have to follow and be controlled by your sexual desires. People can live their lives and never have sex, ever. It is possible, There is no reason to allow this, it is evil and repugnant.

[@evolvep2747]

those sex offenders should think about the collateral damage their actions are causing forst before committing any sex crimes then. what about the families of the victims?

[@Skipbo000]

what about them? you want revenge is that it? my mother was killed by a drunk driver. that guy is now a CEO. what about my family?

[@brianlewis6229]

But instead they want to make a dollar restitution they call it

[@brianlewis6229]

Would really helps sometimes is your connections I've seen many sex offenders who have connections they tend to do a Great deal better. The more skills you have, education, can be a mighty in the most toughest of red states

[@kurtisroberts9375]

I can't even get into a relationship

[@ZaddyDenz]

Dont tell anyone about ur status, it's nobodies business and its just a label

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@@ZaddyDenz it is public for anyone to look up

[@ZaddyDenz]

@@kurtisroberts9375 Don't give the people you just started dating your full name and if they find out and leave oh well, theres plenty of fish in the sea

[@kurtisroberts9375]

@@ZaddyDenz I reckon your correct

[@IndianCurrycel]

@@kurtisroberts9375dude just find a homeless woman with no kids