You Really Won't Believe What's Happening With Our Broken Defender... It's Complicated!

[@the_jarmel]

3rd Defender?? Are you kidding me ..Holy Crap ..TFL .. dang ..

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

3rd... and counting?

[@junsimons]

@Big Crunch lmaooo

[@armandoarmenta1942]

HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY CUT A WIRING OMFG I WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MAD

[@ethanol1586]

They're gonna introduce the 4th defender in their next video update when the 3rd one inexplicably breaks.

[@throttleblip1]

@Big Crunch just a reminder those are bought...not given...perfect example best car from 95 was a dodge stratus...

[@ragnarocking]

In Land Rover's defense, being in the shop and on a lift technically qualifies as being _"Off Road"_ 😂😁

[@mikefoehr235]

Oh man...BITING SARCASM. I love it👍🤣

[@J.Young808]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 ROTFLOL

[@kadimsilahtar]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thephatinthehat]

Too soon. Too soon 😂🤣

[@MilanStier]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[@mindtraveller100]

13:04 "I would just love to get a Defender, because i´m out there watching other people doing Defender videos, this is a competitive business, and we want to be part of that conversation" Don´t worry about that, guys. You´re doing the best Defender review of them all, trust me.

[@desertaliend_b9840]

Definitely. I’m sure we will here from Doug and how he’s having problems too.

[@scldma114]

So true 👍🏻

[@1964robw]

If you are not confident that you can get it back from a trip, its not an off road vehicle, or any vehicle for that matter.

[@cthfungen]

Forget your road trip, this is the actual "To Hell and Back" series.

[@LessTrustMoreTruth]

By now, Doug Demuro is definitely rethinking his new daily driver

[@MichaelMiller-rg6or]

You aint lyin’

[@andressastoque6183]

Hahaha

[@trehanpereraofficial5665]

@@LessTrustMoreTruth 😂😂

[@0cujo0]

To the DMV and back...

[@pilotblue6535]

The spirit of Lucas Electrics lives. Keeping Tow Truck drivers employed for over 70 years.

[@m3chanist]

No mere spirit. Lucas, Lord of Darkness

[@jamesdevrees8663]

Robert Lucas AKA "The Prince of Darkness".

[@stevenray787]

Towed for a dealership in Denver 08-12,,, made mad money off all rovers. There's reasons you can buy a five year old Rover for less than half original sticker

[@HIOP0]

From any certified, official sources, prove the input from "Lucas Electrics"

[@matts6677]

You don’t need the Defender for content. It’s already a gold mine. I love this tragedy and can’t wait for the next update.

[@chir0pter]

TFL need to pin this true comment 😆

[@toninocars]

Agreed, bought on purpose and the game goes on better than scenario

[@bobtawiligar]

Next video "The wheels fell off. Maybe the fourth time will be the charm."

[@robearhong]

Either way, this story is more interesting than an actual Defender going off-road.

[@Elijah-cy9do]

I agree

[@ericbrandt8675]

What an advertisement for Jag Off Motors.....YEAH GIMME SOME O DAT! Chevy ZR2 for me!

[@hair2050]

Totally agree. 😂. I am far more interested following this story than any of their reviews. Which to be honest aren’t that good 😬

[@instasingingvids3529]

The check engine light just lets you know your Land Rover is running. A Land Rover without one has a dead battery.

[@TeamWombatMTB]

Agree on our LR3 the check engine light has been on for 6 years. No one is able to fix but no problems,it's an LR thing. Take some black tape over the light fixed👍

[@MisterHughes]

Takes me back to the Triumph Bonneville days: if it's not leaking oil, it's run out of oil.

[@jimmyjames8736]

Lol. Very practical. I guess it is always good to know that at least one electrical item is functioning.

[@hinken24]

A CEL light would fail your car in a swedish MOT test. Unless the car is made before 2002.

[@bryanmartinez6600]

@@hinken24 just tell them to pop the hood to see it's there

[@tonycerruto5157]

LR Dealership says “ we’ve never actually installed a winch before” ... Land Rover. It’s unfortunate that this shows how far from the off-road world they’ve strayed. Stay in the fight guys. I love your series.

[@danielforrest3871]

Jesus, if you didn't have a channel, I wonder what your experience would be like.

[@THEjasonTDI]

Honestly? The same. They take care of them while under warranty. This is so common with these and all the line. So many issues. Engines, software and wiring. Good friend is a master tech and the stories he can tell. The issue is keeping techs anywhere. They spend so much diag time they can't make any money. JLR corp stance is all the dealers should salary the techs like the rest of the world. Old school US dealers won't. Mechanic has a $200 paycheck. Couple of those are enough to quit and go to a line that isn't junk.

[@THEjasonTDI]

@@jakey20022 we have a Cherokee Overland, a 19' with the 2.0t motor, the off road suspension, skid plates etc 28 months, zero issues. None. And it was $20k less.

[@PlumbNutz]

😦

[@jakey20022]

@@THEjasonTDI Great SUV . If I buy a Cherokee I would get a v6 . I had a ZJ back in college loved that Jeep.

[@verliebt3465]

@@THEjasonTDI In your dreams. They would blame you as the owner for misusing the car, like my BMW dealer. They will fix it under warranty but they'll first order the parts sometimes 2-3 days other times 1 week and call back to set an appoitment when those are in, usually 1 or 2 weeks after that. Sometimes they'll be "waiting for parts" for 3 weeks or more and not notify you untill you call them and hear, "yeah, the part just came in yesterday" and won't offer any curtesy car for you, to be able to go to work or not just wait there. Also they will do the bare minimum to get the issues to be gone when you pick the car but the faults will comeback after 1 month or 2 at the most. And as soon as the car is out of warranty and the same issue, you visited them for 6 times, reappears, they'll want to charge you full price. Also for another reaccuring fault, after you pay for an "inspection" they'll charge the full rate and offer 3 possible causes for the issue.

[@duggydo]

After all these videos, Land Rover is gonna need a public defender.

[@bearpaw7603]

Nice best one and totally on point

[@richardguerra5281]

This is *chefs kiss*

[@trevornewkirk3224]

🤣👍 perfect!

[@Dmeech100]

Wealthy soccer moms don’t watch TFL, these will fly off the lot just fine.

[@paystyles5429]

@@Dmeech100 sadly

[@nikolaslarson6891]

As they say over here in Europe, 80% of the Defenders are still on the road, the remaining 20% made it back to the workshop...

[@Joricano]

lol

[@robertlee9395]

80 % are still on the side of the road, the other 20% are in the shop.

[@cyclemoto8744]

@@robertlee9395 That's what Nikolas said. Anyone who couldn't work it out doesn't deserve the clarification which you provided ;)

[@martinhawkes2823]

Not a real one because you can fix them,

[@Conan3145]

Nice. 😀

[@usmc29er44]

This Defender makes a Dodge Journey's reliability look like a 4runner

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@FD-rh6tr That's... that's the point.

[@michaelknopp2471]

Ha,ha,ha, I'll keep my fourrunner, this is a good reality check.

[@emi123nem]

Just the fact that there's a harness which CANNOT be replaced and renders the entire vehicle useless is super scary.

[@Jaml321]

Yeah, what do they mean with "can't be replaced". Any 1. year electronics student should be able to solder a few cables back together. This is ridiculous. How incompetent can a company get. Wait... don't answer that, we already know.

[@keithnewton8981]

To be fair if the main wiring harness on all modern cars once damaged is more expensive to replace than getting a new car. It's not that they cannot be replaced they can but the cost to replace and the time it would take us in economical this is the be as my e for Toyota GM ford Kia hyundia VAG etc it's not JLR issue it all motor manufacturer. The wiring harness are so complex be and fragile pre fitting. They have to be kept hot in heated jackets if your be watch the production the wiring harness are kept heated right up the very last minute the assembly workers have a limited time to fit before they get to cold to fit.

[@taiundoo8435]

@@keithnewton8981 hyundai kia goes the extra mile to make things 'fixable'. Most of their cars can have their harnesses replaced for a reasonable price from bluehands. Try changing an airfilter on a hyundai and you will lnow what I mean by they go the extra mile.

[@LordTechPro]

It most probably is replaceable! However, the Defender would not be brand new or factory fresh if it was replaced. The dealer should be held accountable for the shoddy quality of work that led to the harness being cut. If the dealer had thoroughly inspected the first white Defender with steel rims, JLR would have replaced it with a new one and saved the customer the hassle of going through this lengthy process

[@jalava78]

They probably cut into some main harness that has branch points deep into the car requiring removal of engine or something

[@troy369]

Folks..this is why you don’t buy Land Rover trash. If this was a regular person they would have left them out to dry.

[@jorgeguilherme]

If they didnt had the KZbin channel they were screwed.

[@V8AmericanMuscleCar]

@@jorgeguilherme big KZbin channel.

[@Aron-ru5zk]

Most of this seems down to the idiots at the dealership.

[@dantoddruns]

The irony is your “our broken Defender” videos will likely have more views then other channel’s review videos and your own review videos. Unique content that others can’t make.

[@brendanreary9142]

A broken down Land Rover is not exactly unique.

[@mattphillips1910]

@@brendanreary9142 You beat me to it. That's exactly right. What would be totally unusual is a Land Rover that DOESN'T break.

[@kfxnando]

@@brendanreary9142 LOL

[@txsurf87]

Just dump this entire project already, and get new Bronco Sport.

[@atillamaster09]

Good luck trying to resell your Defender after the series. 😀

[@kdrguru]

Or if you want reliable, a 4Runner

[@Middle_fingerr]

Yaaa when Ford owned JLR its reputation came and down below earth.. Still poor ownership effect are seen till date.... It’s a proof that Ford can’t make cars... Ford is just alive because Americans keep buying Ford cars Which is tooooooo hard for you guys to digest

[@Middle_fingerr]

Go get a life. You should definitely go FU*K yourself

[@Middle_fingerr]

@@atillamaster09 same goes for all top end cars not just Land Rover. Grow up kid

[@traitoR142]

Imagine the nightmare the average joe off the street would be enduring at this moment.... The level of support the average buyer gets after purchase is magnitudes worse than this and this is literally a nightmare. To hell and back should be what you call the buying experience.

[@nnichols8358]

Can’t get enough thumbs up on your comment!!!

[@Saeglopur89]

That is why we should always avoid being first buyers of car new like that. Specially when it's British :D

[@bordercanoe]

I totally agree. If it was not someone high profile they would just fob you off. I went and test drove the new defender and it was a nice vehicle but I could feel my bank account emptying rapidly with the garage bills.

[@Chief_5]

👍👍

[@bordercanoe]

@@Saeglopur89 I agree. The old ones are awesome though and keep rolling on. Landrover take the credit but it's the dedicated enthusiasts that keep them going. 75% of all landrovers ever made pre 1990 are still going.

[@mobtube]

Few years ago in the North Atlantic : Rose : - Jack, is the ship sinking? - Jack : - No, Rose, it's operating outside of its parameters -

[@arefeshghi]

:)))))) Nice one!

[@jjmarz1001]

Land Rover's new slogan: We build three, to sell you one.

[@dwcheshire]

I think you have to own at least three, two in the shop and one to drive.

[@casperhansen826]

A perfect fit for Denmark where you pay for three cars and gets one.

[@neoxu8588]

They'll probably fix the other two and sell them to individual buyers. They know TFL is media.

[@frostytaco8598]

@@neoxu8588 They will be sold for cheap after this video exposing them.

[@raymondallo9947]

My father-inlaws brother used them in the Australian Army Survey core, They said you go out with three and come back with two. The third was used for spare parts. Now I can imagine they would have abused the hell out of them.

[@NunYa953]

You're getting the full Land Rover experience! This is the norm!

[@nickhastapee]

They killed a whole Defender trying to install a winch?? How incompetent.

[@JonnyRicter]

nickhastapee I don't buy it. I have a feeling the replacement Defender had the same engine failure as the original.

[@jesusdiaz82]

@@JonnyRicter yep.

[@thomasbeveridge8144]

I mean really, how hard could it be? How on earth to do cut a wiring harness and render the entire vehicle inoperable???

[@ESKOLANASHVILLE]

Sounds like an excuse. Winch = 2 wires.

[@pbenjlo]

And they took a week to install it... what a waste of time. No wonder why those cars are overpriced crap, they are assembled by idiots.

[@harlandurant7014]

Imagine someone trying to install winch in their driveway, accidentally cut that same harness. The parts guy on the phone says.. you have to buy new defender to get that harness 😆.

[@candlercando]

Ouch!

[@stevejones5999]

Yes frankly that is pretty disturbing. It's one thing that the harness got cut - it's another thing that cutting the harness can't be fixed!

[@trevornewkirk3224]

Absolutely! Nothing on an off-road vehicle should be irreplaceable!

[@minivanmaster]

Truly an absurd scenario. How hard is it to make an install "idiot proof" where you can avoid running into such massive issues

[@LordTechPro]

Except, I think the harness is not actually "irreplaceable". JLR simply don't want to deliver a less than perfect Defender and don't want to be held responsible for the sheer idiocies the dealer is showing

[@Channel-yq6qy]

I'm gonna start using "it's operating outside of its parameters" to describe anything going wrong in my life.

[@AggiePhil]

^its

[@alanbradford3130]

Makes you sound like a robot!

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

@@AggiePhil You should be more clear. There are 2 "it's" in the sentence. Only the second is wrong;)

[@RAJohnson713]

Lmao

[@Channel-yq6qy]

@@michaelsprinzeles4022 fixed:)

[@amosdunham2511]

Imagine if this happened to just a regular joe!! None of the offer's would've happened

[@Middle_fingerr]

Imagine you have two kids. You give one kid a candy and another a better and healthy food..... Would you do that partiality to your own kids ( Having a same mother ofcouse ) Would you??? If you understand my message get beer tonight or go get a life and have your mothers Brest milk...

[@jaredchampagne2752]

@@Middle_fingerr damn dude you are getting triggered over every comment in this thread, what the hell is your problem? The original commentor is 100% right, if they weren’t a car reviewer, they would’ve been treated like garbage and been told to DEAL with it, since they already had their money.

[@troy369]

DON’T SELL A WINCH IF YOU CAN’T FRIGGIN INSTALL IT WITHOUT TOTALING THE VEHICLE!!

[@trugearreviewmtb2226]

Troy Hubbard DON’T SELL A CAR IF IT CAN BE TOTALED BY *ATTEMPTING* TO INSTALL A WINCH.

[@JamesLewis144]

Land Rover sell the winch. The dealer is the one who fits it. Same with all of the bolt on accessories. So, first Defender was LR's fault. Second Defender was the dealer's fault (which again, isn't Land Rover owned. It'll be a franchise).

[@tubeme4vr]

How do you even make the car useless when installing a winch??

[@ryanthepiper]

Trying to imagine the tech thinking to himself if the wiring harness is important, then shrugging and cutting it.

[@robc8593]

What maniac starts cutting up a new 60K car without checking what is behind the cut first?

[@ryanmartinage]

Land Rover is selling more Broncos, Jeeps, and 4R than their own vehicles. xD

[@theinvestmentcorner4914]

Imagine a regular customer getting all this trouble, this is beyond unacceptable.

[@mikefrancis6861]

Thats part of owning a pile of shit land rover. They are junk new.

[@LordTechPro]

They would get the same treatment if the vehicle is under warranty. You can blame JLR for all the problems here but the real issue lies with the dealer who sold TFL the new Defender. Is the dealer so incompetent that they take delivery of a non-serviceable SUV? Is the dealer so incompetent that they can't fix a winch onto the Defender? The truth is that the dealership doesn't care because the manufacturer is the one everyone will blame

[@theyoutuber273]

Anyone who bought it deserves it

[@NotAnonymousNo80014]

So the dealer totaled a new Defender while installing a winch ?

[@paddyomaddy]

Good thing they did not get then to replace the engine on the original one :)

[@Ptro1]

Sounds fishy to me also. Probably another issue and they are trying to save face

[@travcool1991]

If they cut the loom it's entirely possible. Crazy shit.

[@chrisss73841]

@@travcool1991 probably fiber optics, I bet. A good mechanic and an IT guy could repair it, I'm sure. But the dealer doesn't fix wires, only replaces harnesses. So if someone damaged the harness and they couldn't get you a new one, the dealer just bought your car. I would've towed it to an indie shop to fix it and tell JLR to drop me a few grand for the hassle.

[@jerrygundrum1]

@@travcool1991 it is just a wire harness it should be able to be repaired. I suspect they blew up something more important when they cut the harness

[@groosbro1]

"...engine operating outside its set parameters..." equals "...the effing thing is broken..." I can imagine what an ordinary buyer would be going through...

[@carlosmarcano8924]

100% right I bet they would not be giving an ordinary buyer that many potions .

[@jonsmith1259]

It would be: "You abused it by taking off road during the break-in period, therefore, you voided the warranty"

[@israelgaribay9216]

Engineer: "we've experienced an anomaly" Mechanic: "this shit's dead"

[@groosbro1]

@@jonsmith1259 Nope, that wouldn't fly. If they brought the car back with 1K blowing smoke with no oil in the crankcase and a scratched up bottom then maybe. With less than 200 miles on the clock, not a chance.

[@VK-vm4xe]

How is it possible that they have to change the whole engine? When I bought my used Toyota Hilux I was also looking at used Defenders (the old model of course) and Mercedes G. Only in the used Defenders it was common that the whole engine had been replaced.

[@koko4kosh960]

0.0 chance any of us would have gotten this service.

[@rafaelbautista2863]

Right? Yeah back when I was dumb I bought a freeloader...I mean Freelander. What a turd. 58,000 miles, 8k out of warranty, the head gasket blows. A coworker's husband who worked at a nearby dealer told me on the down low "yeah we've seen some of these having that problem". Same dealer says "you need an new engine, it's 8,000, we'll do it for 7,000". I say F*&k off. Take it to local British car guy who tells me my car is "the most pathetic engineering project he's ever seen" and he's been working on nothing but British cars for 30 years. Spend 4,000 to fix it, it's still not 100%. Considered running it off a cliff but ended up trading it in and taking it in the shorts. What a joke...on me. Never again.

[@bryanmartinez6600]

@@rafaelbautista2863 shoulda bought a 4runner And for $8k you could add some serious suspension

[@Luca_Natoli]

Very, very true.

[@paulfazi]

My neighbor brought one home, died the next morning, had to be towed away. It’s been 1 month and he’s still in a rental.

[@rafaelbautista2863]

@@bryanmartinez6600 true that, if I had bought one then it would be "vintage" and I'd still have it. I have a 2017 Tacoma now.

[@ethanankrum4149]

I heard land rovers were unreliable, but this is just ridiculous

[@Silvia0073]

These are actually the more reliable ones... lol.

[@ruk2023--]

@@Silvia0073 Nick Murray had a similar set of circumstances with a Porsche 911. Somethings just fall apart and keep falling. Rovers aren't particularly reliable but this set of problems is definitely beyond the norm.

[@adelaideautowashes]

In theory, any car should be reliable if you service them at the correct intervals and take general care of it. I guess Land Rover is an exception, strangely.

[@grantmctaggart9942]

Here in Australia it dead set isn’t unusual in the summer that when people test drive the cunts from the dealership a check engine light come on after like 4-5 kilometres

[@Erich2142]

@@ruk2023-- The proches problem was the sun roof, not the engine.

[@JacobThomasAssociate]

Hi TFL. Been great watching your attempt to review the new Defender. Just so you know, this is not an isolated event! I live in the UK and am now on my second Defender! Like you, I picked up ay new P300 S in June and within 30 days it was back at the dealer. Had to have a new windscreen due to seals buckling, but the main reason for return was that the Maps on the interactive dash were not working! Long story short, it went back to the dealer three further times, needed a new module and was at the shop more than I had it, so I rejected it. Fortunately I am now in a new P300 SE, which I collected in October, so far no issues. Why didn't I just get another brand, well because I love Land Rover and have owned Puma engine Defender, 2 Disco 4's, RR Vogue and Disco 5. Got to say, the new Defender I'm now in is Brilliant and in my opinion there is nothing (in the UK market) to touch it! Good luck with your third replacement! Looking forward to tuning in. From the UK - Best regards

[@john-paulsylvester2382]

"If you want to go to the outback, take a Land Rover. If you want to get back out, get a Toyota" Australian proverb

[@fasthracing]

Never heard that before.

[@tonybruce]

... But also you won't be able to afford to eat for 10 years

[@john-paulsylvester2382]

@@fasthracing from James May's "Cars of the People"

[@nnoddy8161]

Not quite true - the Australian army had the best Land Rovers ever built (albeit they were designed and built in Sydney) - the 'Perentie' with an Isuzu 4BD1 engine. Perfect marriage of offroad performance with Japanese engine reliability.

[@MrKbuland]

Maybe they should have asked JLR to repair the Defender with a Toyota engine.

[@BrianMiller]

The ultimate off-roader... it's been off the road for weeks now.

[@offroadhub.official]

Here's your review: "Don't buy a Land Rover Defender. They are garbage."

[@koitorob]

The new ones, yes! The old ones are currently the fifth most stolen vehicle in GB!

[@lifeinrussia1991]

All JLR products are complete trash. Even the notoriously biased British motoring press acknowledge how unreliable these pieces of crap are!

[@stevenoff-road4685]

Exactly 💯

[@nytridr]

@@koitorob Because they're easy to break into. Even the old ones are garbage. The English just cannot build reliable automobiles.

[@curtisgoodwin8962]

Yeah and saved 16 minutes of my life listening to repetitive babbling!

[@4xoverland]

Your video series has started!! What a great story. Not what you expected, but it's a great story. I hope it turns out well.

[@rcajavus8141]

so far, a perfectly normal Land Rover experience, right? :D

[@smo2001]

Good to see you here Andrew unfortunately I missed you at the Perth 4wd show

[@anthonybostock4854]

Great to see Andrew is watching and following this story.

[@MCV0RD]

Hope this stops Andrew’s thoughts of a defender build

[@firebir11]

Defender.....of.....the parking space

[@vadim9342]

Just lemon law it already and get yourself a GX460 and turn it into an overland project 😁

[@Matthew28845]

they bought an fj cruiser already lol

[@mikefoehr235]

@@Matthew28845 Do you think the FJ is a tad wee bit more reliable???

[@ckm-mkc]

Bronco....

[@alanrix5344]

How can a company this bad still be in business ?

[@rvboyett]

This is FAAAAR more informative and entertaining than any Defender review. I'm really glad I took that vehicle off my shopping list. We'll keep waiting for the Warthog.

[@jevgeniardassov]

This is Defender review, it is just in for longer than a few days and that’s how the longterm review will go all the time...

[@cpufreak101]

don't think anybody's ever gonna buy a Defender after this, great marketing JLR!

[@jeffissimo1221]

"Let's order a Land Rover for a series called "To Hell and Back." Three vehicles later.... I'd say you've accomplished the goal of your series... just much sooner than you anticipated.

[@vvk]

I believe they accomplished just 50% of their goal :)

[@joshuajacome8803]

What a nightmare. Just imagine what would this be like for a regular customer without a successful KZbin channel

[@gglen2141]

It'd involve a Land Rover Technician yelling "It rubs the lotion on its' skin, or it gets the hose again" down a deep hole in the ground.

[@FranciscoRamos13]

Exactly.

[@samueljardine3402]

"You really won't believe what's happening with our defender." Actually this is exactly what everyone who knows cars expected and warned you about.

[@stevec3526]

Sir, absolutely correct!

[@realash]

They should just call it and get a Toyota

[@davecroden9793]

As an embarrassed Englishman, there’s 2 things I’ve learned from this. A) I’m not buying a Defender even though I really wanted it to be so good, and B) The wife and I are sticking to our 2 Toyotas.

[@maximilianrockefeller8854]

The level of incompetence from Land Rover is truly next level. Bravo, Land Rover, Bravo. **slow clap**

[@autoban7548]

I really can’t see why people keep buying these, I’ve worked at the Solihull JLR factory for 6 years and the quality control is laughable, they don’t care about the customer as long as it makes it out of the factory without faults, I’ve seen so much superglue and tape used to bodge things, I lost my job there due to the pandemic but I’m glad to be out! It is a toxic work environment and the management are a bunch of bullies who can’t see past there own nose

[@alembic1105]

Sounds pretty typical for these places. I bet the management have no idea how to do anything other than fluff up their own egos.

[@jim99west46]

That happens everywhere. How else could you explain finding a .303 rd in a Porsche headlight bucket ! True story. It was my car!!!

[@ronlheureux7623]

It's stunning that in today's hyper-competitive market, LandRover is so poorly managed. Apparently, they enjoy their reputation for putting out some of the most reliable cars in the industry. Sooner or later this has to catch up with them, you would think.

[@anthonydayspring9923]

It’s actually made in Slovakia not Solihull.

[@firstnamesecondname5341]

I was in the Mayfair dealership where an older customer was tutting at another customer complaining about reliability issues. I kid you not the old fart said to the other customer “lad-ie, if one cannot afford a RangeRover one should not buy a RangeRover” 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@MaximilianvonPinneberg]

The TFL Defender is now legendary. It's literally talked about on every other Defender forum/post/review.

[@alexzee4564]

Really is. I was watching it being mentioned on an Australian/south african channel I watch.

[@manomatocs]

@@alexzee4564 4xOverlander? Haha that guy is a legend!

[@ducnguyen1999]

@@alexzee4564 Andrew? :) omg

[@djcarlitosatl]

Me, too. It was mentioned by Edmunds review of Defender vs Wrangler & 4Runner video as well as Doug DeMuro’s channel

[@timjrvine]

I'll be taking this off my list of cars I couldn't afford to begin with.

[@bryanenglish7841]

It's almost like TFL is trying to fit in the entire Land Rover ownership experience of a couple years into 3 months...

[@Shorby99EK]

Pretty much.

[@Vader1957]

This comment is perfect ! Most people have to own a LR for at least a couple of years to have this much fun. Funny how owners of LR get to know the mechanics at the dealership by name.

[@groosbro1]

@@Vader1957 The LR mechanic and dealer also have a name for customers: Mr. and Mrs. Lameass Wannabe Sapsucker.

[@jonesjones7057]

@@groosbro1 I laughed at this mostly because I believe it's true.

[@uncleheide]

You’ve done everyone a great service- imagine people considering a Defender that hop over to KZbin and feel pretty excited after watching Doug D wax poetic about his then stumble upon TFL....you will save a lot of people from a lot of heartache.

[@mulfordcafe]

I’m baffled why Doug D is so popular. He spends 25 min blabbing about the window switches and only 5 min driving and somehow gets 1m+ views. TFL reviews = wayyyy better

[@ericl1166]

Doug D is an idiot, no one should take his opinion seriously.

[@scootsmcdoots80]

He’s popular because he’s different.

[@redneck4528]

Doug is well educated, observant, worked in the business, his auction site launch was phenomenal. Doug has tons of connections from porsche, autotrader, cox automotive,etc. He is one of the most respected people in the auto business.

[@wade7959]

@@mulfordcafe I've wondered exactly the same thing. I don't know why people watch him.

[@John-yh4fm]

One of the core principles of TFL is "transparency", to date of I have found this to be true and so I ask you to publish the VIN and engine number so that this vehicle is not purchased by an unsuspecting buyer or if they replace the engine and then sell it as a "factory fresh" vehicle, buy it and do the intended review that TFL does so well

[@TheLucifah]

I support this proposal

[@squidgec]

i like the proposal as well

[@habanero8192]

do the same for EACH failure JLR vehicle ...

[@cautilligab]

Do it!

[@mjwise]

@@habanero8192 The world doesn't have enough numbers.

[@oscarcivallero8539]

I’m so glad I declined the $90K Defender earlier this year. The Suburban still going strong with 240Kmiles!!!

[@Middle_fingerr]

Not only your car can do 240K miles... WTF you are commenting about really... but damn some people are soo cheap and poor

[@ashes2ashes863]

Yeah, these damn unreliable American cars that just keep being reliable anyway...sigh. lol

[@jaredchampagne2752]

@@Middle_fingerr another triggered bitter comment, you’re really mad at the world, you just rage at everyone for no reason. Get a therapist pal.

[@tszailer]

Check on oil consumption and fuel/oil dilution

[@Captndarty]

This is the universe telling you you’re not supposed to have a new Defender. Don’t push your luck any further....

[@Edgar-iq8zc]

I think it’s actually great for them the series seems to be getting a decent amount of attention

[@cpufreak101]

@@Edgar-iq8zc it actually is, other commenters pointed out that TFL has now reached South Africa and Australia thanks to outlets over there picking up on the defender story. I think JLR's global reputation is now affected by this lmao

[@puma1304]

any fears about "not being part of the conversation"? forget your roadtrips and "off-road" tests, you have already tested enough and delivered the most valuable information, even without having driven but just a few miles... TFL has given us all what we needed to know about this "Pretender", I am enjoying every minute of this saga, you should get the credit and honors of having saved a lot of people of loosing a lot of money, patience and time. TFL this is already one of the best car reviews you have done!

[@ChuckRage]

Pretender 🤣

[@maximilianrockefeller8854]

Agreed. This series has already spoken volumes about the Land Rover Pretender.

[@JuanHernandez-ov4fg]

JLR's designs look great, but don't do anything but cause headaches for 4x4 adventures in the reliability side of ownership.

[@ericbrandt8675]

All we can hope is that Doug Demuro has a similar expirience......THIS!.....is the most unreliable vehicle sold in North America......I can hear it now.....

[@LboroWick]

Imagine having to wade through this trouble while being an average Joe with no social media clout. Meanwhile the grandads in JLR marketing/PR not knowing the impact of KZbin are obviously trying to nickel & dime through what is a massive PR disaster. Just imagine the number of people deciding not to buy a Land Rover for decades to come as they watch this slow motion train wreck. My god just air freight a working vehicle to these guys..... This is too cringy to watch.

[@Sanpedranoazul]

JLR is fried already

[@bencartwright1537]

Not only that: imagine dealing with all of this outside of warranty. You would be looking at at least $10k in repairs with a new engine, all those modules, and goodness knows how many workshop hours. Probably more than the vehicle would be worth after 4 years.

[@gregw4303]

With this further delay, it just further damages the brand.

[@alankwok2210]

The check engine light is part of the Defender's lighting system.. it is suppose to be on all the time!

[@tom_hoots]

"This is why I buy Toyotas." Seriously, there's just no way on Earth I would buy a "European" car. "Never have, never will." But I truly appreciate what you folks do at TFL. In an ocean full of automotive content, you just don't find the kinds of things you are doing. There is a "real world" out there, but you don't see much of it from the rest of your "industry." It's why I support TFL, and why I keep on coming back to watch what you do for us. Thank you, and "well done." As always.

[@wcjeep]

I buy Toyota because it's my money.

[@jeffissimo1221]

Man, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I had an equally bad experience with Toyota... except they said "come get it, we give up" and I was left alone with a Tundra that couldn't stay running.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

@@jeffissimo1221 What problem did you have?

[@unfairsanic5089]

@@jeffissimo1221 is it made in mexco?

[@_JimboSlice]

@@jeffissimo1221 How do you write a comment like that and not give the details on what was wrong? And what dealership just throws their hands up at a problem like that unless it was something you caused like driving it without oil or you doing something that voided a warranty. I'm calling shenanigans on a dealership leaving you high and dry unless there is more to the story

[@andrewsmactips]

If only the dealer had said, “Here’s a bag full of money. Go get a Toyota.”

[@ponytrishpip]

As they are recalling every hilux and prado I would not get to glib.

[@theejoeylee]

Land CRUISER

[@LordTechPro]

If the dealer had performed a proper pre-delivery inspection of the vehicle this would never have happened. The dealership just wants to make money, as they know that people will ultimately blame the manufacturer and not them

[@ponytrishpip]

I used to get lumbered with Landcruisers of various types when I worked in the Australian bush and deserts. The only thing they were good at was drinking diesel. Eventually switched to Pajero. Comfort and economy and went everywhere the land barges used to go. The 500Kg tool box was easy to fork lift in the back and the Pajero could carry 4 blokes, their luggage and all our water and supplies no problem. When you were back on the blacktop you could cruise at 150kph till you got close to civilisation (police). Very underrated vehicle the Pajero 3.2 diesel

[@ianwatson3315]

@@ponytrishpip funny because many Australians use Toyotas for the simple reason they are so reliable. Yet the Pajero was the biggest piece of shit I ever owned. Now have an fj 7 years..220k and never had one fault 🤔

[@gregsnyder4268]

This honestly is probably the best thing that could’ve happened to your channel.

[@justinb6373]

@RpM_Evan probably are getting tons more views with these lemons than with a working one

[@TheChris1299100]

@RpM_Evan I think it might be how they're offering an unbiased explanation of potential problems for potential owners. I feel better informed of what might go wrong if I could ever afford a defender (not likely lol.)

[@marco-58]

Many years ago, when i was a National Trust Warden, we took delivery of a then new Defender, that had stood overnight in the rain. When i opened the door, it was saturated inside, as the roof and window joints leaked so much. I had to go buy a tube of Silicon sealant, and seal it myself. However, in the Army, in the early 70's we never had a problem with our Land Rovers, they were much simpler in those days.

[@jaytate491]

A loom that cannot be fixed or replaced doesnt sound like a selling point.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

There’s no wire harness in a vehicle that can’t be replaced. It’s just a lot of work and the dealership is incompetent. I would not let them touch the vehicle. Get a winch installed somewhere else. These guys are push overs and the dealer is playing them.

[@gildardo]

@@PersonaN007Grata I lost faith in dealer techs a long time ago. I don't trust them at all.

[@nadieselgirl]

No kidding, I want details on that and the original engine failure. This whole thing seems fishy even if it does follow the usual tropes of LR and Jag ownership.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

@@gildardo I have worked with dealerships for 20 years. Most techs, not all but most, are very good at routine and typical work. Anything “new” and involving that requires critical thinking, you’re better off going to an independent shop because smaller shops have to work on a wide variety of vehicles involving all sorts of diagnosis. They generally have their thinking caps on at all times.

[@BrianGlendenning]

Yeah, every few years a critter munches some of our wires. Getting it fixed has never been a drama.

[@ExTrumpet]

Your new Defender videos continue to make the old Defenders more valuable by the hour!!

[@mayurborah2111]

2030 : JLR - we are launching the all new Defender TFL : We are working with JLR to take delivery of 2020 Defender

[@markchip1]

"Can we make that the 2021 Defender, chaps??"

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

@@markchip1 - Uh, NO! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me - No more junk!

[@jonesjones7057]

Hahaha

[@joshuapowell2675]

@Mayur borah Correction for you TFL (2022): We are working with JLR to take delivery of 2020 Defender

[@PaddyBoy644]

Surely you can’t be surprised by this? The only surprising part is they have tried so hard to help you out but I guess that can be explained by the fact you have a KZbin channel. Good luck guys 👍🏻

[@sunnyvalentino]

Lol. The harness was irreplaceable. My a**. The new one has the same engine problem as the old one, ie, this problem is pretty common. This is why they wanted an engineer to drive it before.

[@sodajones2576]

This.

[@justinregister795]

“Hell and back”......Land Rover ownership.

[@bigospig]

Except there is no "back".

[@justinregister795]

@@bigospig touché. 😂

[@swanblake]

I feel bad for the LR Defender owners that don't have a KZbin channel and has these issues. This story also shows why we need to get rid of dealerships and all the incompetence. Direct sales need to happen for all brands. Even here in this case, the dealership has done nothing but mess up two Defenders.

[@dotheroar2524]

Yikes 😬

[@HeresTheGenZFlorentineFolks.]

i got it and nothing of this kind happened to me! just a case... it can happen with all makes! they're unlucky this time! trust me dude

[@flybobbie1449]

Vehicles always have issues, i know of two Evoke customers had transmission problems. JLR just dealt with the problem on a customer to customer basis, rather than call back. Would have cost a fortune.

[@politicalpossum]

Yeah sure, Everyone in the USA who buys one of these wants to deal only with the manufacturer who is 5 to 8 time zones away in another country. Let's make this process even more hands off.

[@obionemoreslice2479]

Can't give it a bad review if it don't run long enough to test 🤔. Well played land-rover, well played!

[@colinashby3775]

This story of getting the winch is more fun than the off-road test.

[@michaelbiniakewitz2329]

Yes but it should only take one person to tell it, the alternating between who gives the next sentence is super annoying

[@colinashby3775]

@@michaelbiniakewitz2329 yes. That really annoyed me as well. Like a husband and wife telling the story because they think like one.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

I'm surprised the check engine light even worked

[@robm3357]

I agree I bet the dealer wished it didn’t lol

[@Chief_5]

😆

[@Bru946]

Come to think of it, my blue raptor has a check engine light right now.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

@@Bru946 probably a gen 2 I take it?

[@SimonPhillips76]

It was probably only a fault with engine management light, the cars probably perfect.

[@1964robw]

I think your experience speaks volumes. Anyone who buys a "Defender" after watching this series, has more money then they or their family needs.

[@nadieselgirl]

And infinite time and patience!

[@bambamujls]

Agreed....Land Rover is just a status car nothing more.

[@Lewythefly]

If you want to go to hell: buy a Land Rover If you want to go to hell and back: buy a Toyota

[@ianburit3705]

If you want to tow back the broken Toyota thats towing the INDIAN built defender then put a deposit on one of these - www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ineos-grenadier-2021

[@superchamp32]

@@ianburit3705 with BMW engine no sir i will pass

[@ianburit3705]

@@superchamp32 Early range rovers had the choice of a 6 pot diesel, even south african defenders were built with BMW diesel or petrol engines

[@tr3vorb438]

“To hell and back.” You mean ‘to the Dealership and back’!

[@ToastedTostito]

Haha yeah except the stupid thing didn't even make it back from the dealership! 🤣🤣🤣

[@tbthedozer]

Not just a trip but an ownership experience...😂

[@KTMcaptain]

Yeah, that’s what the saying means. 🤣 LR life

[@treborheminway3814]

Take a drink Everytime they say, "and here is where it gets really interesting" and "you can't make this stuff up." 😄

[@jlinwinter]

i'm drunk already.

[@yogibearstie]

Land Rover change for 2021: mentioning vehicle on KZbin voids warranty.

[@gertc3240]

Hahahaha don't give them any ideas!

[@DonaldSprouse]

I actually have a DEFENDER 110. I’ll have to tell you. Your issues is not the norm. I have had zero issues with my Defender. It has been a fantastic vehicle. Truly in love with it. I mean there can be a bad apple in any mass production of a product. Does not matter if it is an iPhone, a PlayStation, or a vehicle. It certainly sounds like you received a bad apple in the bunch. I feel bad for you, but this is far from the norm. The DEFENDER is great and I am loving my ride.

[@wavecentral]

Never has the saying "If you want to go outback, buy a Land Rover, if you want to get home again, buy a Land Cruiser" been more true.

[@bunnykiller83]

Sad and pathetic

[@bastiaansnijder5317]

With this pos you will not even make it TO the outback let alone return....😭😭😭

[@Leonhartcobra88]

Or buy an Outback

[@raymondallo9947]

This feels like a Greek Tragedy in reverse. Generally the protagonist dies at the end , not at the beginning.

[@SilveryFoxster]

You’ve just convinced me NOT to buy a new Defender .

[@markrainford1219]

You were planning on trading in your bicycle? lmao

[@silverstake88]

Yes. AGREED!🤔🤦‍♂️👎👎👎👎

[@SilveryFoxster]

@@markrainford1219 : No way, besides it’s more reliable than a Landy 👍

[@Middle_fingerr]

Or you just can’t afford it....!!! I’m tooo convinced

[@radcheckinski6300]

@@markrainford1219 finish him rofl

[@ukmud6218]

Here in the UK a you would still be waiting for the dealership to answer the phone for the first check engine light that's if the salesman acknowledged you in the showroom when you first tried to purchase it.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

No different in the US.

[@christianabraham217]

This is what happens when you focus on design and gimmiks rather than engineering.

[@indrabendi3300]

Yes, indeed

[@jontaba80]

Honey, looks like we’re getting a Bronco! 🤷‍♂️

[@powdertrax9742]

And what makes you think that Ford will be any better, remember the Exploders

[@jontaba80]

@@powdertrax9742 because even exploders last longer than 174 miles. And mustangs don’t break down even after several fatalities each cars and coffee meetup.

[@rupert14rupert14]

I have 2 series rovers, 4 classic range rovers including 1 factory turbo diesel 5 speed, and 3 Ford trucks. I spend 98% of my time fixing the land rovers and 98% of my time driving the fords. Needless to say I have a bronco on order so I can sell all 6 land rovers.

[@colinberry2991]

“And we want to be part of that conversation” Oh, you are. Welcome to Land Rover ownership.

[@_JimboSlice]

They, and all other LR drivers enjoy the same conversation - how long they got to drive their vehicle before returning it to the dealership to fix another problem. Its almost a badge of honor for them to brag about how much their vehicle has been in for repairs

[@twoeyedbob]

Beginning to think ‘To hell and back ‘ doesn’t actually require a car

[@nutellapromo8029]

Live Q&A

[@2packs4sure]

Can you just imagine if you were a working man with a family and a busy life and you had to deal with this?!!??

[@chrishaddad5362]

I was about to pull the trigger on a KTM but I’m in that boat. Don’t have time to deal with the reliability issues.

[@jamesmedina2062]

One word, or 2: LOANER CAR

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

L.A.W.Y.E.R.

[@johno6590]

@@chrishaddad5362 just bought a Husqvarna 701, basically same bike as KTM. Headlight stopped working at only 1200 miles, dealer says there are ZERO replacements in stock in the U.S. I am on the list for a new light in early December. We'll see.

[@2packs4sure]

@@richfarfugnuven6308 and that in itself equals BIG H E A D A C H E... lol

[@TheRedneckPreppy]

Guys, at this point you're just enabling incompetence.

[@TheRazosvg]

LOL. That’s hilarious.

[@socialjusticeinitiatives3082]

That's the gospel truth

[@moparmtb360]

As an Englishman and long time owner of Land Rovers since 1999 and being the son of a Father who has owned Range Rovers since 1970 I can confirm that I switched to Jeep Wranglers in 2007 and have never looked back. Superior off road, Superior suspension travel, Superior build quality, superior durability. My Father agrees. Long Live the Wrangler.

[@LMacNeill]

95% of all Land Rover Defenders sold in the past 30 years are still on the road. The rest made it home safely. ;-)

[@robinrashida]

agreed...this is very odd and rare.

[@Bierkameel]

If you want to go on safari you take a Defender, if you also want to come home from the safari you take a Landcruiser.

[@NM-gr7cs]

@@robinrashida this is not the same car sold 30 years ago

[@NM-gr7cs]

Rare yet it happened in 2 cars already?

[@chubbyfun77]

@@NM-gr7cs this is not only channel that has had issue. I have watched 5 channel re defender and they all have had their cars in the dealer for extended periods of time. Pretty car you buy I will admire but don’t want the nightmares

[@Calmer573]

moral of the story : never buy a land rover .

[@koitorob]

Not quite, don't buy a new one. I currently own four and wouldn't buy anything built after 2004

[@Middle_fingerr]

@@koitorob moral of the story never believe a commentator who has not owned a car.... Owne speaks louder then a fake comment which is jut in for the likes

[@Middle_fingerr]

If you understand my comment get a beer tonight or get your moms milk🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jimmyz5831]

I hope JLR understands that no one who watches this will ever buy a Rover. Don't feel bad though- most everyone I speak to already knew they were crap. The most beautiful crap.

[@ilikelampshades6]

TFL - dont worry about the lack of defender content. These videos explaining the issues of actual Land Rovers is more interesting than anyone telling us how amazing the new defender is. This is an absolute jackpot for you! I only found the channel because it broke and im now loving the channel

[@MrGwfl505]

The sheer incompetence of it all is amazing. Any thought of me ever buying one of these evaporated at the end of this video.

[@tRumpisaliArandhasalOwiQ]

Ha... they had me at the 1st episode. Why would anyone ever even think LRs are good cars.

[@maccurtinequipmentservice8915]

“I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. “- narrator

[@scottbattista3745]

I'm sure the wire harness was fine, the engine light probably came on

[@aec258]

"Let's install the winch, hand me the angle grinder!"

[@steved1880]

The comedy in that is cutting a wiring harness makes the vehicle junk, unusable, not fixable. LOL Who cuts an entire harness? The dealership only needed to splice a couple wires. LOL

[@gildardo]

@@steved1880 The new techs that they hired, lol.

[@Fekillix]

@@steved1880 Splicing isn't an acceptable repair. It's perfectly fixable, but lead time on a new harness is probably a few months and the installation is probably 10+ hours.

[@steved1880]

@@Fekillix good point. And at the cost of the harness and the labor rate, it’s a loss.

[@tuomasholo]

The new TFL series will now be renamed “To the service department and back.”

[@terrellscaife2411]

Funny stuff

[@dfberry]

So far, the "back" part is lacking !

[@tuoitreomaha9096]

“To the service department and stay there”

[@larryhagen3788]

Don’t worry about losing your competitive edge, from what I’ve seen you’ve got the best Defender video yet.

[@JC-rp6sp]

"we want a defender to use it and we want to be part of the conversation too." ngl guys, I think you guys are the head of the Land Rover defender conversation lol.

[@michaelnugara1]

You want a defender after seeing these vids. I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me. I'll stick with my real defender 110 td5

[@onenerdarmy]

@@michaelnugara1 for real, bombproof cars are the real ticket, just finished road trip #398256 in a 20 year old Cherokee that runs like a Swiss clock. Drive it to the moon in miles and don't look back!

[@michaelnugara1]

@@onenerdarmy couldn't agree more

[@habanero8192]

JLR has successfully made the largest and most expensive doorstop in history, ... bravoooo!!!

[@jerridcollison586]

moral of the story: Avoid JLR like the plague

[@Skfkf1393a]

Except I got a Defender and am extremely happy.

[@240fxst]

I hope it works out, you 2 are so patient. I was considering this rig. Thanks for the update good luck.