You Were Lied To About This Game | The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

[@Botul1]

I'm sorry in advance if your recommended gets filled with other videos about the game, especially if they're made by _those_ people

[@ProjectWyrin]

'Those' people? Could you please clarify who you're talking about in such a seemingly denigrating manner?

[@Botul1]

​@@ProjectWyrin For the past week a lot of my recommended section was just videos about this game, but not analysis or review, but these really weird fan videos made by people who probably actually like the incest (and not for the narrative reasons). No hate to those people, they can do what they want, but they really don't help the game's reputation

[@ProjectWyrin]

​@@Botul1 Yeah, I'm sure that talking about _those_ people isn't meant to convey hate or disrespect in any way. As for the game's reputation, some overly enthusiastic people who particularly enjoy the transgressive sexual nature of the protagonists' relationship don't really seem like a problem to me? The game is clearly enjoying a well-deserved popularity and I've already read some fantastic, well-written mini-essays about the many thematic elements within the narrative - including on the dreaded subreddit which you urged people not to check in your video. So there's no need to worry, the icky people who dare revel in the transgressive nature of the story and don't have the decency to regularly reassure everyone that they are well aware how 'bad' and 'immoral' the protagonists are, won't stop this game from getting the critical analysis it truly deserves.

[@Botul1]

​@@ProjectWyrinI have to admit, the discourse around the game (which was mostly about the incest) is what encouraged me to check it out, mostly just to know what people are talking about, and because the art style looked neat. It's just annoying that you can't say anything positive about the game online without providing tons of context proving that it's not just some coomer game.

[@ProjectWyrin]

@@Botul1 I mean, you can. It doesn't take that much effort to just google the game and figure out that it's not pornographic. And the people whose definition of 'coomer game' is 'doesn't align with my moral sensibilities' are never going to change their minds anyway. Even the comment section of this video has people arguing that they still feel like the game is fetish bait because the protagonists seem happiest in the 'incest' route.

[@krustygaming5887]

I relate the story of this game to a classical (Greek) tragedy. No matter what route you take, the characters never get a “hero’s ending” it’s either morally bad or terrible for the characters.

[@Freezient]

This is probably the best way to describe it. The characters are too far gone, the universe/society they live in is screwed up, there’s no way to go except down and we’re just watching it crashing down

[@ArcadeFanatic99]

You had think that it would be obvious that a game about bad people would, either feel offensive in general or disturb people in general because of all the fucked up mental sickness and violence in it. But the unexpected yet hilarious result of incest being the one thing that fucked with everyone's mood really makes you think, almost like it hit too close to home for... Whatever reason they may have.

[@Botul1]

I didn't mention it in the video because I wanted to stick mostly to story/character analysis, but I do think all the people complaining about incest is a bit weird. Most people are probably just talking about it because they find it funny, but some people are serious when they talk about how the game romanticizes it. It's shown in the same light as all the other bad things the characters do, and the game doesn't feel the need to tell you that these things are bad, because everyone knows that already. If you see it and come to the conclusion of "this is made so that other people (definitely not me!) can jerk off to it", then that is pretty suspicious

[@danielpeckham5520]

@@Botul1 yeah I totally agree. People's reactions probably says alot about themselves. I suspect alot of psychological projection is going on with the people complaining about that one element of the game. People's fears and moral outrages are often a mask for their own fantasies.

[@Emeraldodo]

" You're making *me* do it?? AGAIN?? " Andrew's character is so fucking genius that I love it.

[@JannetFenix]

The game is AMAZING bit of a psychological horror. There is no romantic interest between them, they're both results of the deteriorating mental issues, exploiting each other. It's story about mental abuse, conditioning, manipulation'; mostly about effects of isolation and isolation imposed by proxy. About human need to have someone close, physically and emotionally, but torment of knowing that it's impossible to find an outlet for it as long as she is alive. It's stockholm syndrome - AN ACTUAL depiction of mental scar, irrational inability to free yourself from a tormentor when you actually can, just because save for her he has noone else close in the rotten world full of selfish, shitty people. It's about the deprivation of control birthing diseased coping mechanisms, in form of violence and need to overpower. It's knowing that even were they offered kindness now, decade of corruption cannot be undone by the magic of friendship and good heart. And it's about the gargantual fear of abandonement, imposed on him by proxy - as Ashley realizes, probably subconsciously, that if he creates a bond with anyone else, she'll be left alone. The "incest" as vision of possible future is not there for fetish NOR is it there for mere shock value. It's a kick in the face to make you backtrack on all the much more subtle signs of mental corruption that has taken root. I never say things like "uh, it plays no role" or "rocus on other terrible deeds they do" - because it is important for the theme the game conveys, which i like to think i have summed up above. Ad yet people are so childish to just meme on the "oOoOh SiBliNgS wanA FcK", or go "oh, but you think canibalism and serial murder is ok???"; so immature to see the psychological terror that every single scene is just SEEPED in. The same type of anxiety you get from Junji Ito's works, specifically "The Bully", where the horror does not come from supernatural.

[@starless_void]

When I first found out that "Habsburg family relations" were going to be in the game, I was scared about how Nemlei was going to handle it. Once ch. 2 came out, I realised that my fear was for naught. But people HAD to go ahead and make it about "that".

[@TurKlack]

Honestly everyone that makes a fuzz about the least problematic part of the game, the incest part, needs a reality check.

[@Y.uushii]

I guess some people could genuinely feel more uncomfortable about these topics because of trauma or because they also have siblings (which doesn't mean you can't like it, and, as you would expect, it is a horror game), but yeah, most of people (twitter) just talking bullshit about fiction as always

[@OlTimeyChara]

​@@Y.uushii being uncomfortable with incest, but not with cannibalism, is weird.

[@galarstar052]

The part that made me most uncomfortable was when they accidentally murdered a little girl. That was genuinely disturbing and saddening. But people are getting up in arms about the fucking incest instead...

[@anonymousxoxo134]

⁠​⁠@@galarstar052 SAME- As much as I love dark stuff in stories, children death always gets to me. There are many stuff in the game that makes me uncomfortable, but that was the first time it hit hard for me.

[@danielpeckham5520]

Yeah, its weird how okay people are with fictional murder and cannibalism but not okay with fictional incest. People are weird

[@Banananotreal]

Many people mad at the incest part ignoring that the game also contain ch1ld murd3r, 0rgan harv3st1ng and cann1bal1sm. It's a game about f*cked up thing

[@Botul1]

for the record, this isn't twitter or tiktok, you can spell things out how they are and the comment will still go through, at most I'll need to approve it

[@masterofcolddark6892]

and demon worship dont forget about demon worship

[@MethOverdose2001]

​@@masterofcolddark6892liberalism

[@marcoasturias8520]

The most fucked up part is Andrew has feeling for his sister. But Ashley only wants her to be the only woman in his life. Be that a whole lifetime, cut short in a barrage of bullets or as a burning trauma inside her brother's head. If she has to fuck him, so be it. If she has to murder him, so be it. If she has to die, so be it. Right now the only other woman that we know Andrew has interacted with (and is alive) is Julia, and I think her murder is what lead will lead to the Decay ending.

[@Botul1]

I've heard a few people say this, but I personally don't think that Julia will appear in chapter 3. If you interact with Julia after the flashback with her in Andrew's dream, you get a bit of dialogue about how Andrew doesn't miss her, which negates her as a threat to Ashley's plans. Then again, since that happens in Andrew's dream, Ashley doesn't know about it. As far as we know, all she ever did to Andrew's girlfriends was harass them, and she states in chapter 1 that she hasn't killed anyone by her own hands. That changes in chapter 2 of course, but we at least know that she hasn't killed his girlfriends before, and I doubt Andrew would kill them himself if she asked him to

[@AtticusKarpenter]

​@@Botul1 they def not just go and kill her like they did with their parents. But i think they will occasionally stumble in her somewhere in chapters 3 or 4, just because her storyline isnt closed yet. Maybe she will die after all, or maybe Ashley even collect some humanity to apologize to her (after Andrew bang her and really really seriously promise that there will be only two of them for the rest of their lives so she can stop destroying every female who got in her sight?)

[@luminous3558]

@@Botul1 Ashley doesnt run on commonsense though. Girl gets jealous of dead women.

[@Alek221]

Fun fact: during the hitman part, after Andrew leaves cultists party, and you control both characters, you can return to the cultist place and summon a different demon, ofc followed by more dialogue between Andrew and Ashley,

[@Botul1]

I did consider putting that in the video, but I decided it was better to focus almost entirely on the relationship between the two siblings. All the occult stuff is cool tho

[@crock3251]

and in the same cutscene Ashley calls Andrew "daddy"

[@Botul1]

@@crock3251 I don't remember that part, and I can't find it in my footage either. Where does it appear? I'm pretty sure I interacted with everything I could in that sequence

[@crock3251]

@@Botul1 When you share the money with her. Though I'm not sure if it's fanmade or real.

[@Botul1]

@@crock3251 I haven't played the game since I released the video but I managed to decrypt the files and load it up in RPG Maker, it seems like it's supposed to appear in the same map as where Andrew gets told off by two cultists about not being dressed properly. I'm not sure if you can bring Ashley there though, but if you can the trigger should work.

[@frostfiredirewolf8517]

To me. I'm not sure how to feel about this game or the discourse around it. I love story and style. Enjoy the character interactions and themes. And as much as i hate this term...problematicly...i really like both the main characters. But there are sooooo many takes on this game that the discourse is literally triggering anxiety in me. I can't say it fetishize anything, because it is lamp shading everything so hard, but at the same time. The same time, the most morally bankrupt ending has both the protagonist at their happiest. Which, despite being awful people. They can have something we all want and we instinctively want happy endings. It is so morbidly optimistic, charmingly twisted, bitter sweet. And my feelings are just as confused. I picked the left door and I'm glad i did. I don't know why, but i want to make these terrible fucking people happy.

[@Y.uushii]

I feel you mate

[@OlTimeyChara]

I like to call what you're feeling "Confused Screaming"

[@Y.uushii]

@@OlTimeyChara He is coming to the wincest

[@alexwinters6768]

If it helps there's supposed to be 3 episodes right? like a 3 act structure to a play. At the end of the second act is typically the 'all is lost' moment when to antagonist is at their height and the central hero is at their lowest. If this game is following a 3 act structure like it's fair to assume the happy ending to the bad path is just setup to fall and the unhappiness of the good ending is the typical all is lost moment.

[@leonyunal962]

Love this game 10/10 the animation the story and how you can decide which part you wanna go

[@BestDemo55]

This feels suspicious

[@diedinvayne679]

You're either oblivious to the twincest or you're into it If you think this game is a 10/10

[@Personalnfo]

the incest is an optional route not everyone has seen it.@@diedinvayne679

[@ididsomeunspeakablethingsa4899]

​@@diedinvayne679liked the story

[@BestDemo55]

@@diedinvayne679 that's what I thought

[@lintz1708]

Man, I can't wait for episode 3

[@MethOverdose2001]

raising autistic child simulator

[@DESTRUCTINATOR_HELP]

We Can't Say That Number Anymore NOT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@AjubisoftAc]

People complain about bad things in a horror game,that’s the whole purpose of the game.

[@mikemandalorian9226]

I really like this game, and iM nOt the person who ever played stuff like this Before. their dynamic iS really well made and it makes for a good story, the morE dialogSS i rEaD the more i want to know what will happen to these two characters. toxic behaviour and manipulation is not often a part of video games and other media. yee and ashley is a hot psycho cannibal too, obviously...

[@ivebenwatching]

M O B S E SS E D Why are these specifically capitalised? They seem too intentional to be just a spelling error

[@snuyiest]

@@ivebenwatching i believe it spells out "I M O B S E S S E D" lol

[@ivebenwatching]

​​@@snuyiestok thank you. it Makes sensE now, but man is it an elaboraTe way tO say it, I lOve that.

[@disgorgeofconsciousness2250]

Loved this! Even better than I had expected, and I already love your channel, I seriously can't wait to see what you do next. Thank you for the recommendation, I've never heard of this game, but it seems subtle and interesting. A great pick for a review.

[@n1ghtfa1l]

Burial ending being that if something happens Andrew is going down with ashley and resulting in them both getting buried Decay ending is the result of their relationship decaying and Andrew is finally set free

[@Freezient]

Andrew is set free in Decay, he’s just as obsessed with his sister, after he kills her, he’s going to kill himself afterwards, cause he cannot live without her

[@zaiden2becausejustzaidenisused]

The issue with the incest part, I think that the creator didn't handle it well, the "cry about it image" just made it look more like it's fetishised rather than criticised

[@Botul1]

I did consider putting a mention that in the video, but I'm having a really hard time getting a read of the developers intentions. You could argue it's defending its inclusion as a story device, you could argue it's defending its inclusion because the developer likes it, you could argue it's outrage marketing (which, to be fair, worked perfectly), etc. So, more or less the same case as the game itself. I choose to view it as a defense of it's inclusion as a plot device (in a "this is bad" kinda way), because that's how I see it being portrayed in the game itself.

[@adrianaslund8605]

Incest is a real thing that happens. It's not the absolute worst thing in the world. People who are the product of incest(like isolated on the countryside) exist and they're not necessarily bad people. It is bad for the gene pool however. But having been on the internet over the last decade or so it seems to be a pretty common fetish. And hopefully people can just separate fiction from reality and understand that its not appropriate in the real world. Neither is murder cannibalism, and homicidal satanism. (I say "homicidal satanism" because I guess Laveyan satanism exist and they might be cool or not depending on the person)

[@whact]

@@Botul1 another point is that i'm pretty sure that image was made before the whole twitter situation

[@Cloud_Seeker]

No. I think that was perfectly handled. You have a lot of people who cry and cry about things they themselves do not actually care about. They will never buy or play the game, but they will complain about it and try to force other people to create things that follow their sensibilities and rules. Very much like how people complained that the game Kingdom Come Deliverence does not have any black characters in the game. Even if it is a game that takes place in the early 1400's Bohemia and the amount of black people in Europe at the time is so small they pretty much did not exist. The game was about trying to show a historical setting, yet people got mad when they refused to impose a fictional element because modern day politics demand you to ignore history if it doesn't suit the political agenda. To tell these people to "cry about it" is the perfect and only response you should give. This is not about making media better. It is about power and control and nothing else. Those people want control over what is made. They themselves are not consumers, but they want to control what the consumers can see, hear and think. If you bow down to them, you show weakness. If you appologize to them, you have lost. If you tell them to f** off and to "cry about it" you show they have no power at all. They will be mad about how they are not allowed to impose themselves on others and take power away from them, but that is it. It is the only way to win this cultural game they are playing.

[@suppressed1138]

@@Cloud_Seeker reminds me of an old Jack-in-the-Box ad

[@DanielSantosAnalysis]

Great video! I just beat the game and found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. It's shocking how easily misunderstood this game is, but I think you did well in explaining beyond the surface level observations people have about the game. It's not about the shock value content, which is typically played for laughs, it's much more about the twisted relationship between the Graves siblings and how it represents their psychological instability.

[@Ey0postal]

I like the community, its very mhmhm family friendly

[@martinescobar3908]

Mo' like family lovin'

[@kamkai_johan]

Ha ha ha

[@FoxySpartan117]

I absolutely adore how demented this story is. Anybody, whomever loves horror/fucked up story telling. Truly is missing out on thrilling mental ride as gripping as Ashley has her claws in Andrew.

[@Deoxy_Na]

Thank you funny rat man. I'm still not playing it, but I appreciate any video that you put out

[@CMVM23]

Binged most of your content all night, really comfy stuff alot of effort put into these, looking forward to whatever your passionate about in future, good job!

[@TwistedNovaZ]

Love this game a lot 20/10 waiting for chapter 3

[@showsomesignsoflife]

The only opinion i have about this game is that i want to beat both Andrew and Ashley with a pipe

[@MikeHunt-zy3cn]

Same.

[@crock3251]

I actually think the 4th section is the other way round. I believe Ashley is using Andrew as a scapegoat, and not the other way round. You even admitted that it was Ashley who was always coercing Andrew into doing these, and in the grand scheme of things, all of Andrew's "murders" were a result of Ashley, either from manipulation or the fact that they are so attached.

[@Botul1]

Here's the thing. Is Andrew getting coerced into doing the bad things he does? Most of the time, yes. Does he keep sticking by and siding with his sister despite all this? Also yes. He tries to pretend that he's better than this, but in the end he's at the very least a willing participant most of the time, and there are cases like the lady from room 302 or the Lord Unknown summoning (to be fair, he didn't explicitly say that he wants to sacrifice someone, but that's what they end up trying) where the idea of murder (or at the very least violence) comes from him. I personally don't like the idea of blaming everything Andrew does on Ashley. She's a big part of it, and their attachment is the cause of most of his issues, but that's like saying that me beating up a homeless man is actually my brothers fault because he was mean to me 20 years ago. He's a (mostly) willing participant, despite him trying to convince Ashley (and the player) otherwise.

[@crock3251]

@@Botul1 Completely Valid Point, but most of what he did was a butterfly effect of Ashley's actions. Firstly, 302 Woman was literally self-defense. Secondly, it was Ashley who spoke up to try to sacrifice that guy to lord Unknown. He's a willing participant, but only through a lot of mind games and manipulation, as he can still see that what they're doing is wrong, and he shows hesitation, but all that it takes is the thought of Ashley to push him to the other side.

[@Botul1]

@@crock3251 Murdering the woman in 302 was self defense, but holding her hostage was Andrew's idea. I guess you could argue everything they did in C1 is self defense because they were starving to death, but I personally don't like looking at it that way, as there were (probably) other solutions. He's definitely getting manipulated, that's what the game is about, but we also shouldn't pretend that he's innocent. Between the two, Ashley is definitely worse, but Andrew is just as broken. In different ways, but still. Your interpretation is also valid, I guess we'll see which one is more accurate when C3 releases.

[@crock3251]

@@Botul1 I completely agree with you. What I was arguing was that what Andrew did was not of his own volition.

[@zoidango6166]

Thank you for actually reviewing the whole game rather than just raging about the incest. It's actually funny how those people made this game much more popular than it would have been if they just have internalized their rage and not have this game known to thousands of people. I'm sure the creator is laughing hiss ass off while swimming in money for a silly game he made in a matter of months.

[@Gooblic5]

Thanks for changing my opinion on the game. I watched a video on Chapter 1 when it came out and felt the "tension" between the characters before disregarding the game. The "interests" of the game's community didnt help either. Glad to see there's more to it than initially meets the eye.

[@JACK-iq6rl]

Your vid got recommended dude congrats

[@mr.not_funny8116]

damn, this doin numbers

[@martinescobar3908]

Not even 12 videos in and already going for the magic words

[@sanandreasfilms3233]

7:57 My honest reaction to seeing what the game is about after watching Botul's video. write: Good video Mr. B

[@JAM-JAMMIE]

This game is somone's poorly disguised fetish

[@--MIEKO--]

whats really funny is most of my friends who know about this game (or heard about it because of the incest) have never played the game and they thought I was crazy for somehow enjoying gameplay and ect. I eventually got them to sit down and watch me play the game with all the routes from start to finish and, guess what? They love the story and think its a REALLY good psychological horror game lol. yeah they got uncomfortable at some parts, but isnt that the point? I know its not everyones cup of tea and thats completely ok! but this proves to show that most people think this game supports it and, they think the game is centered around incest when its not. the twitter section is full of people who get so easily offended, that they thought the creator should get doxxed- its an adult game with adult themes. not to mention these characters or fucked up in every way, so the endings honestly make a lot of sense. thank you for your amazing video!! Im so glad you can see the game for what it is ^^

[@ABuffWizard]

Tuesday

[@Botul1]

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[@Personalnfo]

friday

[@ultrastonks9042]

What the Buff Wizard doin' in this comment section?

[@dalegoganghijacker]

I think in the sane ending andrew was watching THAT vision while ashley was doing the minigames and so woke up earlier than ashley once the vision ended and then just lied saying he couldnt sleep. While in THAT ending the demon transports ashley in andrew's dream but only at the end as andrew has already watched all of it from start. Also being in the same vision meant that they woke up together.

[@Botul1]

By "sane ending" do you mean Decay (accepting the parents offer/not trusting Andrew, Ashley sleeps alone, vision is Andrew killing her) or the "sane" version of Burial (denying the parents offer, choosing the right door, vision is Ashley collecting spirits)? I want to respond to your points because I disagree about Andrew seeing the questionable Burial vision anywhere else besides the questionable Burial route, but I'm also not 100% sure what you mean.

[@Taha_A]

which of the chapter two endings, in your opinion, makes more sense? i personally think that the incest ending is the most likely to happen, given that Andrew has been doing the kills for Ashley recently, showing how dependable he can be to Ashley while Andrew would logically come to the conclusion that it would be easier to get the relationship he wants with his sister as there would be less appearance to keep and less to hide from, as well as less pain (since he wouldn't have to shun or kill his sister, which is implied in the decay route) in general. In short, i am saying that the incest ending is better as it results in at least one less death and less broken people (or a less broken Andrew, for that matter). in that ending i also noticed how Ashley starts to get nervous in the romantic way, the game even stating that she feels a knot in her stomach as Andrew continues to casually butcher their parents. it's in her facial expressions too.

[@Botul1]

I personally don't have an ending that I prefer, or that I think makes more sense, because they both make sense, and are both reasonable outcomes. They're also not proper endings, as neither version of chapter 3 is out yet.

[@Y.uushii]

They both makes sense you if consider why you enter in which route, both decay options are about distrust, you choose to not let Andrew take care of their parents because Ashley doesn't trust him, and Andrew doesn't defend Ashley and open up to his parents how he can't go back anymore, which makes Ashley not trust him as well Maybe the first one doesn't make that much sense because Andrew is everything to Ashley, but she knows sometimes he fuck things up, so she wanted to avoid their parents conving him somehow

[@Taha_A]

@@Y.uushii i don't mean to argue, just stating my point of view. why would andrew trust his parents enough to open up to them when he said that he knew that the mother would snitch on them? he said he was keeping up appearences too.

[@Y.uushii]

I think it's more like he is venting about Ashley than trusting them because he knows they are lying deep down, but he is so sick of this that in his monologue he just want ashley to be less, you know, "ashley", also, he realizes that his mom is indeed full of bullshit after refusing the offer, which she talks to him in more detail and about the certificates as well To be honest, I know that this is somehow unlikely, but we are the ones who make the choices how they deal with the situations. Narratively speaking, they are just there to develop the others routes, and the burial is the intended one, probably the questionable path to be more specific, so it's not that I don't really agree with you, it is the "good ending", regardless of how fucked up things are, it's fiction, we like them, and we want to see them happy

[@Taha_A]

@@Y.uushii given that the incest burial route is probably intended, that would make it the developer’s headcanon, which means that it is the true ending. The other endings are still viable though. Imagine if all the endings are canon due to them meeting a demon that allows them to reset to the beginning over and over till they get the best ending

[@Chrono2254]

>horror game with a cool art style >look inside >incest

[@Botul1]

many are saying this

[@Chrono2254]

​@@Botul1 I liked the game's art, dialogue, characters and story but the gradual implication of the siblings' sexual interest in each other threw me off completely, which made it hard for me to enjoy the game but that's just my personal experience, I don't support the people who give death threats to those who enjoyed the game, nor do I support the degenerate side of the fanbase

[@Botul1]

@@Chrono2254 Yeah that's fair

[@danielpeckham5520]

And cannibalism and murder and even child murder..

[@_Flower-Mouthz]

Im actually thankful that i watched someone explain this to me on youtube after seeing all the incest stuff than becoming one of the doxxers that doxxed the dev or harrassed them

[@Painfulldarksoul]

It's not only the ending where they are the happiest, but also where they become better people.

[@forcyland]

Jeez that accent is heavy, glad there were subtitles

[@Botul1]

This is the only nice "your accent sucks" comment that I ever got

[@deguzmanninoangeloict2p555]

the game is honestly really great overall in terms of being a horror game it does its job of being messed up and the way they designed the characters are very visually appealing I just really think there are snowflakes out there who really try to judge the game just by two or one scenes and lets be honest not everyone will like what the developer of the game does but thats just how things are

[@sibel9272]

I'm so confused, espically since the dev responded in such an assholish way, so IDK.

[@Botul1]

The dev made, as far as I know, no response to the public backlash. If you mean the "cry about it" image, that was made and posted before the game came out.

[@sibel9272]

@@Botul1 Still weird to use that as a response to backlash. Also if the dev didn't respond, who posted that?

[@Botul1]

@@sibel9272 It was made by the dev, but posted months before the game came out, in one of the early devblogs. You can read it for context, but it was basically something along the lines of "there will be multiple endings, some people will really hate one of them". Either way, the way I see it is that the game doesn't support incest, and doesn't portray it as something good or desirable. I see no issue with it's inclusion (at least in the way it is in the game right now), and I would even argue it makes sense for these specific characters in this specific story. TL;DR: Bad people do bad things waow

[@dracula_ru]

Interesting to see, but would not play the game for sure. I've seen enough toxic relationship on the screen and irl. Good that you keep video short

[@ShoyaStars1131]

I love the game! I haven’t have such chills and repulsion ever. It makes me wanna play more. Though I don’t go down the incest route cause I nearly threw up once. But it’s an awesome game!

[@OlTimeyChara]

Good game, 10/10

[@abstrates]

evil abstrates be like:

[@No_one146]

8:13 Too late, I already did, like awhile ago

[@OctacoreIsAFK]

Yo, makin a vid about this game myself, mind if I credit you for like some statements you make in here? Wanna quote you on some of this stuff

[@Botul1]

Unless it's a direct one to one quote, I don't think you need to credit me, but it is appreciated. Everything I say in the video is just my interpretation, and I believe most people could reasonably come to those conclusions (provided they actually played through the game). It's cool to see that more people are making videos about the game, when I first got the idea to cover it there was only one other analysis video, and that one was made before chapter 2 came out. Feel free to reply to this whenever your video comes out and I'll check it out

[@OctacoreIsAFK]

@@Botul1 turns out I didn't get the chance to quote you on the video, but since I did use your video as a sort-of "guide" to get my thoughts in order for the video since I rushed the script, so I'll put you in anyways, it's coming out in 10 minutes so thank you very much!

[@Botul1]

@@OctacoreIsAFK I'll check it out later. I don't blame you for rushing the script, I did too lol. You have to strike the iron while it's still at least somewhat hot

[@ponczekBonczekXD]

we Love Ashley❤

[@iskanderaga-ali3353]

1:41 Amogus

[@MJ.Gonzalez]

Gyatt dayum

[@bloodborne410]

ı like your videos grant us more eyes

[@sebastian2009xd]

10/10 best game

[@koki3292]

I don't know why you said that whenever Andrew wakes up from the "ןncestuous dream" he looks flattered rather than disgusted and noted that as him being attracted to his sוster for it. You may have forgotten at some point that whenever someone is experiencing a vision it feels like they are vividly awake and they think it was real so he most probably was shocked that he saw such a thing and woke up not flattered at "being caught"

[@Botul1]

There are _many_ subtle hints that Andrew wants to bone his sister. I included a few of them in the background footage but I could have made my point a bit clearer in the narration as well. Things like him not really being bothered about his girlfriend leaving him, him being a bit possessive of Ashley (example: the failed summoning at the start of chapter 2, Andrew thinks "*My* Ashley summoned something on her first try!"), him holding his hand really close to her ass in that one kitchen scene (I'm not sure if I included that shot in the video), him asking his (now ex) girlfriend to tie hair her up, which could be interpreted as him trying to make her look more like his sister (I didn't include this in the video, it would require me to add a few lines explaining the girlfriend subplot in more detail, and I didn't think it was significant enough to include), etc. It's not an undeniable piece of evidence, it's just one of many hints. If you replay the game with that theory in mind (or, in my case, rewatch your footage), you can find even more hints.

[@koki3292]

@@Botul1 Well then, to try and bring a counter argument to some of the things you have provided me I'm just going to list them off in a list: 1.Would have the dev made it better if he made Andrew say "Our" like some communist instead of My? After all, they are siblings and have been talking like that since they were little. An example is when Ashley first told Andrew about how Nina likes Andrew and Ashley goes "You are mine, she should learn to not steal from another woman", In that case was Ashley was also thinking of that very same possessive behaviour you are describing Andrew has to her, and the reason for him not being able to feel something about his girlfriend leaving him is most probably due to the fact that you can't really care about something you haven't remembered for a long time. It is proven that if you don't think or avoid caring about something for 90 days you can completely forget about it, considering they were stuck in that apartment for roughly 3 months and some days, that being the most probable cause of Andrew not caring about his girlfriend dumping him. 2.I have yet to believe he was thinking about what you are describing, considering what you said about "him holding his hand really close to her ass", the fact that they were having a stressful discussion at that time about sacrificing you know who to you know what and some people tend to find something to do when they are stressed to ease the tension, considering Andrew had to bear the stresses of multiple מurders he had committed, constant torment and manipulation from his sister and the thought of him needing to get his hands dirty again must have been enough for him to find an occupation to calm himself down. And if you look again at that very same screen shot you are referencing you can see that he is playing with whatever that little thing is called in English where usually a belt passes trough or something that Ashley has on her pants or jeans whatever the living כuck those are, And it has happened to me where I would just be bored and playing with whatever one of those things are called at school or something but on my hoodie or jacket instead of being on my jeans. And there are cases of people getting their fingers stuck in metal tables or in dumb places and needing to call special authorities to help them get them out, for you to say I'm not lying here's one of those examples about a teenager getting their finger stuck in a metal table and needing to call firefighters to help him get it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqmqkqSVq8Srracsi=jQpIeLnrJz63s6ep. 3.Also we have never been shown a picture of Julia with her hair tied up, so as long as I do acknowledge your comment saying that is could be interpreted as him trying to make her look more like his sister as a possibility the odds of it are super slim as it is not really uncommon for teenage women to tie their hair up in buns or in multiple other different hairstyles from what I see around my local community and from around the world, while I agree that what I'm about to say might also just have little reason to be true but it is a much more of a probability that he just liked seeing Julia's reaction whenever he pulled her hair. Suggested by Julia reacting with a reaction that resembles "No, I won't tie my hair so you can pull on it again" implying he has done it many times before and he enjoys doing it, and then trying to justify it with some bullshןt reason like "Oh but don't you know that's how dudes show their love" or something. I'm open to criticism and you correcting whatever mistakes I may have made in this comment but I would also enjoy if you gave more reasons on why it could be that he has those types of thoughts about his sister. And on a final note why would have he acted so weirded out and distressed after the end of the burial route dream if he likes his sןster instead of just being like "Nice wanna do it now then?" if his sister was so eager to do it. I like that you told be to try and rewatch the series another time so I can maybe find out whatever things I may have missed But I have already rewatched that thing like 7 times already due to extreme boredom and because it's one of those rare times where you can watch a series and not get bored rewatching it. So you know I had to find an occupation.

[@Botul1]

@@koki3292 I respect that you're willing to discuss the topic, even if I disagree. My response assumed that you're just a casual observer, and not someone who actually experienced the story, whether through a lets play or playing the game yourself. 1. Andrew hasn't forgotten about Julia, considering that he mentions her a couple times in both chapters, notably during the argument in room 302 and right after the Burial vision. My point is, for whatever reason, he's not _that_ upset over it. The way I understand it, is that it's because he also has feelings for Ashley. He pretends to be upset when talking about it with Ashley, but his dream reveals that he doesn't care that much. That falls in line with the theme of him keeping up appearances. 2. I admit, I didn't see that he was playing with the loop. I still think it's pretty suspicious. I can't say I would personally put my hand there if I was in his situation, but his situation is so impossibly fucked up that I can't really put myself in his shoes. I will say that he probably didn't get his finger stuck there considering he pulls it out when the mother announces her presence. Putting his finger in the loop could just be an excuse to touch her ass, I'm not really sure. 3. Don't get me wrong, the hair thing is just my theory. The more basic explanation could also be true, or it could be both. The reason why I'm learning more towards my interpretation is that I don't see another reason why it's even mentioned at all. It could just be world building, but most other dialogue that's just there for world building (at least the examples I can think of) are just simple text. Things like the notes in the kitchen at the start of chapter 2. I'm pretty familiar with RPG Maker, and adding things like that takes no effort. Visual novel segments, with their own drawings, take infinitely more effort, and that's why I see them as more important. There are minor VN segments that are used mostly for comedy, like trying to talk to the mother as Andrew when Ashley is still in the basement, but those are the exception rather than the rule. Something that I didn't mention but that's pretty important, is that the Burial vision happens for a reason. The only other vision like it in the game is the one with the hitman. These visions are supposed to show the future, at least one of the possible futures. For the two to fuck, at least one of them needs to want to do it, or else it's pointless. If you choose the "Never" dialogue option after the vision, a text box says "Though it sincerely doesn't matter to you one way or the other. It only matters that he is around. Always around. So should he be open to such endeavors, you'd have no qualms about indulging him." You play as Ashley before, during, and after the vision, so it's meant to represent Ashley's opinion. Since she doesn't care, that leaves Andrew as the only person involved that could want that to happen. He says he doesn't, and yet, if Ashley is open to the possibility his personality shifts more than in the other version of Burial.

[@koki3292]

​@@Botul1 You are right about me not playing the game for myself since I do not feel like wasting money for it if there's already endless playthroughs of it on KZbin, meaning I might have missed some information like the Never option in burial but at the same time still: 1.Not necessarily forgetting about a person but not interacting with them is enough to stop thinking much of them is enough as from personal experience. Even then you might be right with the keeping appearances part as he himself confirms it. 2.Siblings don't just fall in love with each other else we would have a lot more cases of ןcest worldwide. And I know you may have gotten this wrong but I wasn't implying he got his fingers stuck in the loop, rather making an observation of another case in which human behaviour enters and there is the intrusive thought or urge to put your finger in a random loop. It is most probably another case of intrusive thoughts winning rather than it being an excuse to tסuch Ashley's ass. To end this reply off ill mention how at the end of each one of the endings of the second episode be it burial or decay we are informed in either an indirect way or direct way that Andrew no longer has to keep appearances due to no one being around him that would really require him to do so be it his parents or girlfriend holding him back, meaning he would not need to act like he doesn't like Ashley after the end of the vision. Even then you are to some degree right and it would be pretty funny to see Andrew go like "Ay woman I'm stressed, lets smהsh" in the second chapter lol.

[@Botul1]

@@koki3292 1. Honestly, fair. 2. You're right about the first part, but it's important to consider that this is anything BUT a standard sibling relationship, and viewing it through that lens isn't helpful in this case. If this was a game about two normal siblings, the story would be almost entirely different. As for the 2nd part, I can see what you mean, and I think both of our interpretations of this are valid. I still think that there's enough hints in the game to make my conclusion at the very least possible (and actually quite probable), and I still agree with what I said in the video, but I have to admit you did make some interesting points.

[@Staryrics]

Your voice makes me think you're Chilean

[@Botul1]

Good guess, but I'm Polish

[@billforson3143]

😮 this aint wario party

[@Botul1]

looking into it

[@WhatAboutThatGuy]

I thought the cannibalism was gonna be the worst part

[@TheOfficialDryoArmy]

Honestly. 8/10 if your pissy about the incest grow up. Go be mad at manipulative behaviour of Ashley or something

[@VenomKanye]

aw hell naw 😭😭😭

[@Botul1]

Botul downfall arc begins NOW

[@VenomKanye]

@@Botul1 all you gotta do now is pick which side of the community you're going to be in. The hyperborean larp side or the porn addicts side.

[@Needykins]

​@@VenomKanyeyou aint built for hyperborea son

[@VenomKanye]

@@Needykins that's bc I'm not a cringe larper son

[@MikeHunt-zy3cn]

​@@VenomKanye"hyperborean larp." What?

[@dcmurphy5157]

In the first few seconds of the video, I disliked out of principle becuase of your accent. I'm sorry, brother, I judged you to harshly. Have a like.

[@Botul1]

redemption arc

[@user-kt1nr3jy6y]

this sure sounds like cope

[@Botul1]

?

[@bimboalabama5649]

Cool video but I've convinced myself that the dev is actually fetishing this far more than it needs to be. As you said the morally worse off ending makes the characters happier and while its debatable if the other themes are portrayed as solely negative, when it comes to the games protagonists they are the characters we experience the story through and they are often depicted as better of after committing such horrible acts. Maybe the rest of the game will elaborate on this and further punish the characters by the end but as it is now I can understand why so many people dislike it. Also the community (and the dev) definitely ruined any potential positivity the game may have gotten from the main stream. so that...sucks I suppose?

[@Personalnfo]

your meant to know that there going through something rough, your not meant to care about them.

[@Botul1]

I personally disagree. At every step of the way, the game shows you that both siblings are horrible people, they're the villains. It doesn't glorify their actions, they're shown as necessary to survival at a few points (eating the neighbor, killing the first warden) but the characters never go "mhm yes we are awesome people for doing these things". It's a game about bad people doing bad things. It doesn't clearly label what's good and what's bad, because it doesn't need to, it trusts the player to come to those conclusions themselves. The incest is shown in the same light as all their other actions, as a bad thing, and the characters joke about it like all their other bad actions, because they're bad people.

[@bimboalabama5649]

@@Personalnfo How do you figure that? The entire game is set through their perspectives. I would find it strange that you wouldn't "care" about the main characters in your video game .

[@ProjectWyrin]

"The morally worse off ending - according to my specific set of moral principles - makes them happier and the narrative doesn't punish them! Clearly, this is fetish material." Yeah, I think I prefer a community that is perhaps a bit too focused on the sexual aspect of the protagonists' relationship to whatever this comics-code-level take on fiction is.

[@Botul1]

​@@bimboalabama5649Breaking Bad is shown through Walter White's perspective, and anyone even slightly paying attention wouldn't say that he's the good guy. A protagonist can also be a villain

[@abstrates]

bad game 0/10

[@Botul1]

many are saying this

[@frosttoros663]

​@@Botul1 i bet all of them are autistic children

[@krustygaming5887]

I smell weakness

[@jonbon098]

im mostly playin this game for some story

[@kamkai_johan]

Hmmmm kinda weak opinion

[@big7650]

Bad

[@Botul1]

👎

[@big7650]

@@Botul1 play donkey Kong country tropical freeze instead it so good you’ll be like “👍”

[@Personalnfo]

monkey@@big7650

[@hoofie7371]

Love the game.