You Won't Erase Me: A Transformative Conversation with Kelechi Okafor

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@ForHarriet619
@ForHarriet619 4 жыл бұрын
Join the Patreon or become a member! Patreon.com/ForHarriet
@Peighter
@Peighter 4 жыл бұрын
She said, "i don't know WHAT they were throwing down and if they ever picked it up"😂😂 a read if i ever heard one!😂
@t_unique888
@t_unique888 4 жыл бұрын
Real quick too😂😂😂
@iwillact
@iwillact 4 жыл бұрын
Kim was cheesinggggg! She found her SISTAH MATE! ✊🏾✊🏾
@verda_renee
@verda_renee 4 жыл бұрын
Yessss! The chemistry was honestly beautiful 🖤
@Kristmaz808
@Kristmaz808 4 жыл бұрын
😂🥰
@myakay1
@myakay1 4 жыл бұрын
I adore this space, its honestly a warm mental hug.
@MSMETALBABY
@MSMETALBABY 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. 💖
@inthecalabash2759
@inthecalabash2759 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@reginaldfairfield
@reginaldfairfield 4 жыл бұрын
That's so funny that you say that because this is one of those channels where everyone is ON IT. We're working and learning and unlearning. It's beautiful.
@naiomiscocoon8217
@naiomiscocoon8217 4 жыл бұрын
This!
@t_unique888
@t_unique888 4 жыл бұрын
Uuuugh yaaas.... it was intense, comforting, empowering, etc... I had so many feels🤯
@kemilof
@kemilof 4 жыл бұрын
Everything Kelechi is saying is true. I attend her twerk classes and it is not just a dance class. It’s a spiritual and joyous experience. I love you both Kelechi and Kimberly so much. 🤗😘🥰❤️
@maritareads5229
@maritareads5229 4 жыл бұрын
Omg here for Kelechi!!! I love her! 22:55 "they need us to be the shadow...and really we're the light" preach somebody!
@catalystcoversations5644
@catalystcoversations5644 4 жыл бұрын
They have exploited black people (women)for medical research, Henrietta Lax body is still making these medical corporations, around the world money.
@verda_renee
@verda_renee 4 жыл бұрын
"Catharsis is not the end of healing" Whew. That line blew my whole mind and spoke to my whole soul. I needed to hear that. 🖤
@serenity6831
@serenity6831 4 жыл бұрын
Kelechi snatched my edges everytime she spoke, sis has a gift. Thank you for this interview Kim!
@sophia_megan
@sophia_megan 4 жыл бұрын
"This thing that burned you also somehow kept you warm" YES.
@nqobilentuli4244
@nqobilentuli4244 4 жыл бұрын
Kim is looking at Kelechi like the white women look at salads.
@AFOS94
@AFOS94 4 жыл бұрын
Best comment 🤣😂🤣 sooo true 🥰
@JoyFay
@JoyFay 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@HKReadings
@HKReadings 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@cookee888
@cookee888 4 жыл бұрын
😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤
@sadethemuse
@sadethemuse 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@proverb310
@proverb310 4 жыл бұрын
Kim, this woman really spoke to my spirit. I agree with what she said 100%. We really do need to create our own and make sure we protect our energy, so that those thieves will not infiltrate our space and steal what we have created and make it their own; once they water it down. I also do not have an earthly boss. 💕💕💗
@captainhindsight11
@captainhindsight11 4 жыл бұрын
I'm only 10 minutes in but this woman has already spoken so much truth. Amazing interview so far, great work! 😀
@ChichiMarie
@ChichiMarie 4 жыл бұрын
Fellow Naija. We are proud-o🇳🇬❤️
@uchechiblxckgoddess
@uchechiblxckgoddess 4 жыл бұрын
Period! We here🇳🇬🤗
@sagittariusblack2879
@sagittariusblack2879 4 жыл бұрын
My trauma shows up repeatedly. I cry a lot of nights. I am angry at my mother. I’ve even gotten to a point where I felt I wouldn’t care when she passes. She refuses to acknowledge her part in my pain. Still to this day. She cares more about herself than taking accountability. Thought I’d never get over it, but slowly I am. I just treat her differently. I can tell she feels as a mother she should be worshipped, but I don’t think she realizes that she has forever removed herself from that pedestal that the average person holds for there mother. I hold no ill will. I spoke to her today. Had a lovely convo, but as a child she broke my spirit & i am spending my adulthood trying to correct the damage......& I don’t forgive her.
@eskayh7734
@eskayh7734 3 жыл бұрын
Big hug to you sis. I have been sifting through my own childhood/adolescent/teenaged trauma and acknowledging how my mom played a part. She's been deceased for over a decade, and we were very close so I miss her all the time, but she is not exempt from the decisions made that reverberated throughout my younger years and still affect me now well into adulthood and motherhood.
@lj9352
@lj9352 4 жыл бұрын
I am a Black woman and practicing worshipper of Yah currently healing from some SHIYAT lol. Needless to say, I appreciate this conversation with everything in me. Kim, I can't say this enough: your work is important af.
@TititoDeBologay
@TititoDeBologay 4 жыл бұрын
Love Black women connecting across the continents. Now learn French and Portuguese then the tables will be shooketh.
@Naeema311
@Naeema311 4 жыл бұрын
Yes and these discussions are so needed across the diaspora. Language often leaves many behind (I live in Portuguese speaking Mozambique and I WISH this kind of discourse was part of the culture)
@littleympe2570
@littleympe2570 4 жыл бұрын
If we're going to put in the effort to learn a language I hope it can be the regional indigenous languages, not that of any colonizers. I 100% agree with you though!!
@simm6181
@simm6181 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that that are the two languages I will learn for my Afro people🙌🙌🔥
@TititoDeBologay
@TititoDeBologay 4 жыл бұрын
@@littleympe2570 I hear You 100%. Though Considering how black population are widespread around the Globe, unfortunately, colonial languages would be the best option for us for dialogue. Then again We are a creative bunch, every Black experiences reinvented those lanquages from AAVE to Creole,Pidgin,Patois and so on.
@makkonen0
@makkonen0 4 жыл бұрын
Shrugging off any bit of colonialism would be the best route. I've found in my personal language learning journey that there is a heap of inherit anti-blackness in many Latin based languages. This being that many of the methods of classification of us have stemmed from those languages. My understanding of English has helped me to spaces like this but, opening up to English has exposed me to the horrors of colonial language and how it's used to destroy us. We can only repurpose so much. The tools are rusted and cut when used.
@florazul5240
@florazul5240 4 жыл бұрын
Kelechi was on the Grapevine TV series on KZbin I love her spirit, strength, & knowledge
@zenzibell
@zenzibell 4 жыл бұрын
The most pain comes from constantly working overtime for white approval. Once we let that go and do for ourselves, what white society refuses to do for us, we start breathing again. Kudos to Kalechi showing how it's done.
@user-mn9wq5km4l
@user-mn9wq5km4l 4 жыл бұрын
Aaaah I had walked away from the phone as it started and was thinking Kelechi's voice sounded familiar. I remember her from The Grapevine. I'll also check out the podcast as I really connected with points made by Kelechi on The Grapevine.
@NicknameAarie
@NicknameAarie 4 жыл бұрын
Really? Which episode?
@georgiac20
@georgiac20 3 жыл бұрын
@@NicknameAarie Grapevine UK
@VanityEgo
@VanityEgo 4 жыл бұрын
I love this conversation about Black culture being exported as an American product without giving credit, financial or otherwise, to Black people. It's particularly blatant when you look at KPop.
@__CJLORRAINE__
@__CJLORRAINE__ 4 жыл бұрын
“Who then will season your food?” among a number of other fabulously quotable points, made by Kelechi during this in depth discussion, would double perfectly as book titles. Lol. Thanks Kim SO much for the introduction to this amazing being. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@JB4C89
@JB4C89 4 жыл бұрын
The passion in her VOICE! She is truly awake and blessed, soo human!
@rachroses
@rachroses 4 жыл бұрын
We need these discussions 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@CrazyAmbitious11
@CrazyAmbitious11 4 жыл бұрын
Every aspect of Black personhood is valuable!!🎯❣️
@AyomideAdebayo
@AyomideAdebayo 4 жыл бұрын
The joy in this conversation was a delight to be part of.
@babyjki444
@babyjki444 4 жыл бұрын
i know of kelechi from the grapevine! she's lovely.
@thegoldendev8351
@thegoldendev8351 4 жыл бұрын
"WHO THEN WOULD SEASON YOUR FOOD?" When I tell you this girl is my favourite! 😂😂
@musicismyhothotsex92
@musicismyhothotsex92 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so upset to see people disregarding Kelechi's experience because she is dating a white man. Yes, you can be pro black and date a white man. Esp if it's someone who is willing to put in the necessary work and practise antiracism. Obviously there is a conversation to have about those in interracial relationships which are toxic and still perpetuate antiblackness and racism. But coming for a black woman, especially one who is pro black and is very aware of herself and her community is just a manifestation of misogynoir and hotep mentality. You should already know about black women's experience in the dating realm. Here in the UK a video went viral where mostly black men were talking about their dating "preferences" and their responses were mainly "light skin/mixed race" women. It's difficult enough to be a black womxn and you are judging her? Shame on you. Black womxn can date whoever they want. Please leave us alone.
@littleympe2570
@littleympe2570 4 жыл бұрын
They gone have to get over this because many of us now are jumping the fence. Doesn't make our experience any less true to black womanhood.
@ytresponses
@ytresponses 4 жыл бұрын
@Keziak You - "Yes, you can be pro black and date a white man. Esp if it's someone who is willing to put in the necessary work and practise antiracism."; "...especially one who is pro black and is very aware of herself and her community is just a manifestation of misogynoir and hotep mentality." Response - I think that depends on what a black person's vision/future is for "black" people and how they evaluate "white" people and their society. Marrying a white person pretty much says the person is still desiring, fighting for, or seeing black people as having a place in a White World Order, a civilization established BY and FOR white people. This is a mistake as this satanic system/world order will NEVER do anything other than what it was DESIGNED to do, and that's keep black people on the bottom. To think ANY white person is going to support dismantling a system that was established for them to STAY on TOP and reap all of the associated benefits and privileges, is foolish and an overestimate of their collective character, or even human nature in general. If you find one white person willing to dismantle their White World Order as we know it you've found a one-off, a unicorn basically. Ultimately marrying a white person is pretty much is an act of support/a vote for the current world order/structure "AS IS", and could possibly even be considered TACIT approval of their evil immoral societal structure that INCLUDES the very satanic pro-white anti-black color caste that black people are SUPPOSEDLY trying to escape. The satanic White World Order, the layout of most of this earth and civilization as we know it with its core ideologies of white superiority, anti-blackness, justified pathological violence and military intervention, etc. along with its light to dark color based tier system/hierarchical structure or caste system and its capitalistic economic framework, banking system, stock markets, fiat currencies, etc. that serve to create extremely huge wealth distribution gaps, MUST be DESTROYED for the sake of humanity as a whole not just black people. More and more black people are realizing that separation in whichever form that can be managed is the best, and probably only, SOLUTION. Separate or get out of the way and let this wicked civilization IMPLODE under their own immoral pathologies. Research "deaths of despair" and their falling birth rates for some background. If not separation at some level to some degree, the alternative is transforming the moral character of, changing the culture of, and curing the pathologies of white people and to that I say, GOOD LUCK with that, hahahahahaha! The practice of marrying white people carries the implication that they and their culture and all that I've listed that's associated with it are not THAT bad, and that they and THEIR civilization CAN be rehabilitated. Why else would a person EMBED themselves DEEPER into their people and culture by mating and marrying them, which is an act of becoming one with them. Notwithstanding anything I've said prior to this point, I'm not against interracial love, mating, marrying, etc. in principle. It depends on the context or framework within which it is practiced. If we lived in some kind of utopian paradise, and humanity was getting along in some kind of heavenly peace, and the world order was just or equitable, and color ACTUALLY "didn't matter", and black lives "did matter", etc. etc. that would be one thing. But that is UNEQUIVOCALLY NOT this world order or existence we're currently in. As things are right now, I'm against interracial marriage etc. for black people. I'm actually against interracial ANYTHING that somehow benefits non-black people, especially at the expense of black people, again due to the inequitable POSITION black people are in in THIS world order. There's a practical side to this and a spiritual perspective, and I've only gone so far with these comments.
@leilo330
@leilo330 4 жыл бұрын
Black woman always look for validation in other race men. That's why people like Jun Lee exploit BW and make fun of their insecurities!
@Gwenesis
@Gwenesis 4 жыл бұрын
@@ytresponses Speak on it! I agree with just about everything you've said. Brilliant comment for the most part.👍🏾
@DoraWinifred
@DoraWinifred 4 жыл бұрын
For those that don’t believe a black woman can be pro black with a white partner, what do propose is the solution since the majority black men don’t choose us? Should we have to choose to be fully with the community but compromise our natural desires/needs we have as women? Do you propose that we prioritise politics over our desire for love, companionship and family?
@musicismyhothotsex92
@musicismyhothotsex92 4 жыл бұрын
Hey!! I'm so happy to see you collab with black women in the diaspora
@GigiMurakami
@GigiMurakami 4 жыл бұрын
"I don't need you to change, BUT I've changed" YESSS! This!!
@lifeonabudget8513
@lifeonabudget8513 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! You contacted her so quick. You are both amazing people.
@verticesmith661
@verticesmith661 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought Kelechi Okafor was brilliant and very inspiring, insightful, intelligent and many more i words from the first time I saw her on the grapevine. I am even more intrigued by her words and also inspired great show Ms. Harriet. While praising one I almost forgot to acknowledge the other. 🙏 to you Kim you have been on a flow in this quarantine. Great work.
@damiaojaime5059
@damiaojaime5059 4 жыл бұрын
cant put in words what this conversation did to my soul❤
@angelicaterry3367
@angelicaterry3367 4 жыл бұрын
She's so London, i love it!
@tamarapickens1988
@tamarapickens1988 4 жыл бұрын
Just as an aside, Desmond's DID make it across the pond. I use to LOVE watching Desmond's and I grew up in Kentucky! I miss that show.
@robynr3130
@robynr3130 4 жыл бұрын
@Tamara Pickens I used to watch Desmond here in California. It was one of the early British shows picked up by PBS. DES - MONNNNND!
@VanityEgo
@VanityEgo 4 жыл бұрын
"It's not enough to just release" wow this broke me brb
@musicismyhothotsex92
@musicismyhothotsex92 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing Kelechi being so unapologetically London too... I love it!!!!
@AFOS94
@AFOS94 4 жыл бұрын
I loved her in the UK Grapevine episodes!! Glad that she’s on the show 🥰🥰
@megane5728
@megane5728 4 жыл бұрын
Whewwwwww! Yes Kelechi is ON!
@kimboslice1356
@kimboslice1356 3 жыл бұрын
My body is buzzing with resonance, and I thank you both for this. Listening in 2021 but honestly think this discussion is timeless.🙏🏾🙏🏾
@MsCouve
@MsCouve 4 жыл бұрын
When she said you run on it and run on it and then you’re freaking tired🙌🏽🔥 this was transformative!!!!!!
@Stamara2011
@Stamara2011 4 жыл бұрын
Kudos to you for having Kelechi, I have been listening to her for over 2 years and she is awesome
@papertape7911
@papertape7911 4 жыл бұрын
I love this woman.
@lola.odetola
@lola.odetola 4 жыл бұрын
iconic duo
@lydialuke322
@lydialuke322 4 жыл бұрын
kelechi and her magic!
@1NicolaPratt
@1NicolaPratt 4 жыл бұрын
Dreamed of this collab🥰🥰
@___.209
@___.209 4 жыл бұрын
Whew two baby girls in one viewing - look what God did wow
@TheWelwicha
@TheWelwicha 4 жыл бұрын
UGH !! I was so gutted to have missed this earlier - I absolutely love you both. This to me is a great collaboration.
@JacqulyneEWhite
@JacqulyneEWhite 4 жыл бұрын
I have listened to this in its entirety at least four times and I feel full. I felt heard and understood by the way she spoke so plainly. Too many gems were said and dropped. WHEW!!
@Delbertmills
@Delbertmills 4 жыл бұрын
All fire, no fluff. ✌🏾💜
@kf8145
@kf8145 4 жыл бұрын
The joy on your face during this conversation is wonderful 😊
@Tina3292
@Tina3292 4 жыл бұрын
That was the most amazing conversation! 🙌🏿 Loved it!
@leoniemills4918
@leoniemills4918 4 жыл бұрын
I am so happy this conversation exists, been following both for ages and I am glad they gifted us with such wisdoms.
@rudo1991
@rudo1991 4 жыл бұрын
Genuinely enjoyed this Kim and Kelechi, thank you for the content and engaging conversation. It was definitely needed rn
@trediaz4012
@trediaz4012 4 жыл бұрын
This channel gives me so much hope. We need more like both of you. Thank you!!!
@bebesluckyhuman8327
@bebesluckyhuman8327 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, I am only half way through and this is brilliant! There is so much here that is smacking me in the face, this is the first time I have ever felt I will need to watch an entire video 2-3 times to unpack it all. Need it and don’t want to have missed any of this. Brilliant ladies and thank you for speaking to my soul and mind tonight, thank you.
@yesrelationthesequel
@yesrelationthesequel 3 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to this interview. So GOOD!
@paulyettafreeman2093
@paulyettafreeman2093 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I decided to watch this! Kelechi is fanning my flames 👌🏾🔥💛
@twiggyjalloh598
@twiggyjalloh598 4 жыл бұрын
This conversation, whew! God bless you both.
@yc7893
@yc7893 4 жыл бұрын
Just popped in to hit like... gotta watch when I get home! Can't wait to hear this
@patricianjeru3639
@patricianjeru3639 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this conversation 👏🏾👏🏾
@iamuhura
@iamuhura 4 жыл бұрын
I felt blessed to have been on ig in time to catch this live and now feel extra blessed to have it available on KZbin. I might play this every morning for the gems and affirmations because whew! Thank you so much, this was an amazing interview. I listen to Say Your Mind podcast on Soundcloud and it's nice to see new eps pop up to start my week.
@kalfree1
@kalfree1 4 жыл бұрын
Another great interview Ms. Kim. I just joined your patreon. Keep up the excellent work Queen. ✌🏾❤️🙏🏽
@kiber6672
@kiber6672 4 жыл бұрын
I feel blessed to have an access to listen to this very educated and great black women
@musicismyhothotsex92
@musicismyhothotsex92 4 жыл бұрын
I went to see a counsellor when I was 17 onwards and it really helped me. I'm so glad I did it because I needed it so much.
@FunBola
@FunBola 4 жыл бұрын
This was so beautiful my eyes got teary. It was not only cathartic but I literally saw how I could implement real change by letting go of the fear that so often keeps us down as black people.
@vintagechick4086
@vintagechick4086 4 жыл бұрын
This was beautiful conversation. Refreshing and hopeful.
@Plantanos23
@Plantanos23 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! Kelechi is speaking so many truths in the episode. I think I am going to listen to it again just to make sure I take everything in. I have to follow her on all platforms.
@cynthiarose4056
@cynthiarose4056 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful discussion once again Kim. Keep up your the fabulous intelligentsia being!💕
@id5711
@id5711 4 жыл бұрын
Omg a duo I didn’t know would happen but I’m happy it did! Can’t wait to watch.
@phylliewilly
@phylliewilly 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing, insightful and practical conversations for empowered (mentally and physically) black women - MORE OF THIS PLS!!!! I am following Kelechi on Insta now. Thank you for shining the light on this goddess and these issues Kim xxx
@Setsunako6587
@Setsunako6587 4 жыл бұрын
"EVERY ASPECT OF BLACK PERSONHOOD IS VALUABLE." Thank you for having conversations like this in public! The revolution may not be televised, but I will sit/skip through ads for THIS 🙌🏾
@Setsunako6587
@Setsunako6587 4 жыл бұрын
"If we don't put everything together, we cant actually move forward." 😍! Yoga!
@evanszymkowski9079
@evanszymkowski9079 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best conversation. Thank you Kim, I like what you're doing.
@Elijah3_86
@Elijah3_86 4 жыл бұрын
This was such a good conversation!!
@amanichabikuli7125
@amanichabikuli7125 4 жыл бұрын
THANK U KIM! THIS WAS EVERYTHINGGGGGG
@pa-ikollo1851
@pa-ikollo1851 4 жыл бұрын
Well done again, you are always outstanding in your choices of conversations.
@jolarocknrolla6015
@jolarocknrolla6015 4 жыл бұрын
that was amazing, thank you for these insights.
@tayxxmonster
@tayxxmonster 3 жыл бұрын
I’m soooo inspired 😩✨ let me journal while I listen
@josmileygirltube
@josmileygirltube 4 жыл бұрын
This was so amazing and uplifting. Thank you Goddesses.
@stephainerogers706
@stephainerogers706 4 жыл бұрын
This space always proves to be exactly what I need. This interview was everything !
@kic.7679
@kic.7679 4 жыл бұрын
This was so damn good. It was great to watch.💙
@SistarDebs
@SistarDebs 4 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t heard of her either! I’m so glad I caught the one before this one! 🤗 I immediately searched for Say your mind after Porche said it! The tarot card readings were a pleasant surprise! She currently has a new follower and fan in me! 😁
@JerriCouncil
@JerriCouncil 4 жыл бұрын
Brava. BRAVAAA!!! What a BRILLIANT conversation! Thank you.
@swashington1705
@swashington1705 4 жыл бұрын
Lawd Today...I'm only 5 mins in. Thank you both. 💜💜💜
@jimmettejones6795
@jimmettejones6795 4 жыл бұрын
Girllllllllllllllllll...I wanna cry cause I was shaking my head and screaming yesssssssssssssss!!! Talk that shit!!!!
@dannyokezie7656
@dannyokezie7656 4 жыл бұрын
I joined your Patreon today!😃🥳 I'm so excited to finally join the fam!
@hunadimakgatho3403
@hunadimakgatho3403 4 жыл бұрын
Loved kechi on the grapevine and have since followed her. Love a ghel who is not apologetic about her ghelhood. I live vicariously through her. Thanks for this soulfood Kimberly and kelechi
@moniquew3603
@moniquew3603 4 жыл бұрын
This video is everything and then some. I'm running over to her podcast!!! 🏃🏾‍♀️
@ApheleleMkhangwana
@ApheleleMkhangwana 4 жыл бұрын
oh...😍 i remember Kelechi from the Grapevine UK... The nuggets of wisdom in this conversation... I live...
@Army_of_Me
@Army_of_Me 4 жыл бұрын
I've never clicked on a video so fast in my life! I love Kelechi!
@kemilof
@kemilof 4 жыл бұрын
Me tooooo! Love, love, love, Kelechi. 😘😘😘
@intherapture
@intherapture 4 жыл бұрын
Kelechi for President 2020 ✊🏾
@chinezemadu3843
@chinezemadu3843 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing interview 🙌🏾. Great insight too
@kailahwailah2442
@kailahwailah2442 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. This convo was everything.
@MODIRWA
@MODIRWA 4 жыл бұрын
This is a very wholesome discussion
@clarkalark
@clarkalark 4 жыл бұрын
This is soooooooo brilliant and I'm watching this again now
@yellowunlimited
@yellowunlimited 4 жыл бұрын
two of my favourite commentators together!!! i love this
@gabrielairizarryporrata6801
@gabrielairizarryporrata6801 4 жыл бұрын
I always find new reasons to love For Harriet!
@Esia2211
@Esia2211 4 жыл бұрын
You both are amazing
@psalmlewis203
@psalmlewis203 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! The pain and trauma are origins of identities. So not only does it “burn the hand, then keep you warm” it reminds us the hand exists. So healing is complex... how can we use our hands now? What life are we creating? How do we tend to the burn? When do you remove the bandages? I love this conversation!
@heiressananiah8788
@heiressananiah8788 4 жыл бұрын
This conversation was everything I needed to hear!
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