Dr. Carl Hart Says Drugs aren't actually bad for you. (No, not even heroin.)

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[@brookesmith6998]

The fact that so many people try to interview him without actually reading his book... yikes. This was such an interesting interview. Thanks Kim!

[@MzSoulll]

it's so disrespectful!

[@ebonywagner4221]

People are idiots.

[@boilingsnowwater2121]

The Breakfast Club lol. But at least Yee seems to get it, the others are hacks.

[@ToyaRR]

Portugal has shown that the legalization of all illicit drugs is actually beneficial for all involved. Instead of making it a criminal issue they made it a public health issue. This made it possible for drug users to go freely to clinics to get clean needles thus drastically reducing new HIV/Aids cases. They also saw a major increase in people getting off drugs because more were going to clinics and they offered them free help, which many of them took advantage of.

[@Got2BOshun]

Fully agree

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

But the "war on drugs" is really a political war on African Americans, so there's no motivation to change.

[@Anna-pz4vu]

@@dumfriesspearhead7398 now that’s a word

[@eryabolonha]

You'd be surprised how the portuguese system still finds its way to convict black people

[@cristinabeleza1102]

Hi! Portuguese person here, drugs are actually not legal in Portugal, they're just decriminalized :)

[@pterocardio]

this man is a GIFT. he explains harm reduction so concisely without sacrificing all the nuances of the praxis.

[@TuscanWonder]

Thanks for the praxis

[@Herebedragons991]

I'm not into drugs and don't even drink often, but I'm starting to support legalization of all drugs because people are still gonna do them, so might as well regulate them and control the doses/quantities as well as take the power away from drug lords/gangs AND the police.

[@Tippy2forU]

Decriminalization would make the country on the hook for rehabilitation like opiates. That would mean giving millions of black peole rehabilitation. I have relatives on drugs and they irritate me.

[@aamia3769]

But if people are not following laws that prohibit drugs completely now what makes you think they will follow laws that make it legal for “smaller dosages?” Just a genuine question.

[@user-qe6ru3ne7m]

But won't more people abuse them if they have easier access? Most people start their opioid addiction off of legal prescription drugs anyway so I'm just not sure how legalizing all drugs is really for the betterement of all people. I do believe in decriminalizing addicts, but the drugs themselves are still dangerous and advocating for the legalization of them seems like a pretty risky idea. These hard drugs (heroin, meth, etc.) kill and easier access to them means easier access to MORE (leading to OD's; addiction). But let me just finish the video before I say more.

[@Herebedragons991]

@@aamia3769 I’m no expert but it just makes it harder and more inconvenient to get them illegally if there are legal options. Plus with more regulation hopefully the drugs they are getting are less harmful and not as strong so maybe less chance of addiction? I mean they tried banning alcohol, nobody stopped drinking but people were dying consuming illegal/home made options.

[@Herebedragons991]

@@Tippy2forU I mean weed is legal in the Netherlands but the majority of Dutch people don’t smoke up, so I feel we won’t get more addicts either way but maybe more controlled substances at least, and less stigma.

[@firstname8348]

I don't fully agree with him but he did make me think about how my opinion about drugs has been shaped by what I have been told and I've never questioned it.

[@uluvjordan]

Thank you for your general openness and displayed ability to treat these ideas with the seriousness they deserve.

[@RodniThorpeTK]

Oh yes. This was discussed/handled so well!

[@dsww7485]

I absolutely love Dr.Hart!!!! That is why I am finishing up my PHD in Medical Neuroscience!

[@SupernaturalLove100]

Is he a user?

[@cannibalisticrequiem]

@@SupernaturalLove100 Why does it matter? Are you going to deem his opinion, research, and work as meaningless if he was?

[@QuixoticUkulele]

✌🏿✌🏿

[@SupernaturalLove100]

@@cannibalisticrequiem ...it was a simply question. it sounds as if you’re projecting abt smthing never said..🥴

[@sulamitaluna6859]

@@SupernaturalLove100 He is an open user of multiple drugs, especially cocaine and heroine. You can hear him on Joe Rogan's podcast.

[@PlantBasedBride]

This was such an interesting discussion! It feels so timely with the release of Demi Lovato’s documentary and increased discussions around stigmatized drugs and addiction. I need to pick up Dr. Hart’s book.

[@december3305]

I've just finished watching the documentary and thought the same thing! I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about drugs/addiction without any of the stigma and moral judgment that usually accompanies the topic, and it's a complete change of perspective.

[@annalewein4673]

Please do pick up Dr. Hart's book! I read it back in January. 3 months later I'm still thinking about it. 10/10 would recommend

[@elenakalliste]

I really loved how you just let him explain himself fully without inserting too many questions or interruptions. Also really appreciated how you were so honest about your own biases, which really helped flush out his points. Great interview 😊

[@SunRayBabyJ]

I agree. She did a great job.

[@AlicedeTerre]

Unlike some other interviews, I felt Kimberley was definitely more hesitant and even skeptical at some points, but having a conversation that challenges some of your viewpoints and being OPEN and RESPECTFUL is so hard. She did a great job and I'm glad more people are listening to this conversation.

[@elenakalliste]

@@AlicedeTerre I really think she was an ideal interviewer for such a topic. An open minded skeptic is usually going to ask the right questions

[@asantos704]

Is this a bot?

[@readmyblogable]

Kim is baby Oprah! You’re interviewing skills are fantastic and keep getting better.

[@Isachanya]

Kim is everything!

[@nilsasalgado2777]

better than Oprah with these kinds of subjects IMO

[@katyne]

I love the spark in Kim's eyes when she allows her guest to lay out a good argument for her and the audience. She is intellectually engaged - not everyone can do it!

[@XEVN7]

She's honestly in an entire league of her own when it pertains to her informed intellect and absolutely infectious authentic interest in every topic she chooses to cover. Not to mention her vocab is to DIE for!

[@estebanq.urkelthevxiith8495]

@@nilsasalgado2777 100% She's real and refrains from jumping on popular social narratives.

[@ToyaRR]

Oooohh Dr. Hart. I remember siting his work about marijuana not being a gateway drug to other drugs while doing my undergrad in Psychology.

[@CydBee]

Love this!!!

[@caylaflower_iii]

I love that you watch For Harriet! 💞

[@leodario1755]

Colourism is an illusion 😂💀

[@caylaflower_iii]

@@leodario1755 who even are you, and why are you here?

[@leodario1755]

@@caylaflower_iii girl don’t you remember when she made that video “colourism is an illusion” 😩😂

[@caylaflower_iii]

@@leodario1755 I was like "????" But yes, I do lmao. Carry on 🤣

[@coleworld3061]

I’m going to buy his book. Sounds like every black family needs to have this in the home. It could save a life and save familial relationships as well

[@dbd254]

Agreed.

[@annalewein4673]

Do it do it do it! I read Dr. Hart's book back in January. Still thinking about it 3 months later.

[@DezNaomi]

When someone says “wow I’ve never gotten that question before” you KNOW you’re a great interviewer! I wanna be like Kim when I grow up lol. Gonna pick up this book asap, great video!!

[@ctau410]

I haven’t even watched but thank you Kim!!!! I watched his Breakfast Club interview and they simply did not have the range 💆🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@ThatPrettyGirlMeOT]

They never do lol

[@Nooooooooooooooooooooo7913]

I’d expect nothing more from them. Stopped watching that shit show years ago.

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

The breakfast club has the range of a two year old explaining physics

[@cannibalisticrequiem]

@@ayannabranchcomb7535 That's an insult to two-year-olds! 🤣

[@kdennis2461]

This is so good Edit: I just finished listening and it’s even better than I thought. Whew. It’s getting more rare to see the kind journalism/interviewing that truly pushes conversation forward and I have to thank you for being one one of those rare voices

[@IshtarNike]

There's a good book written by a British guy called David Nutt: Drugs: without the hot air. It was written a while ago and likely covers similar ground to Dr Hart's book but in a British context. A little back story: Nutt was a top adviser to the British government in the 2000s. He was fired for saying that horse riding is more dangerous than weed. He was 100% correct and had the statistics to back it up, but back then it was considered scandalous. Sadly, I can't even say the same thing wouldn't happen today. The UK is far behind the US when it comes to drug legalisation. We don't have a federal system and so there's been no equivalent loosening up and experimentation. Most of the public is still in the "all drugs are bad and will kill you or at least ruin your life" stage of understanding.

[@KaiJohnson737]

I completely remember this! It was in response to changing Cannabis to a class B drug and he thought that didn’t make sense. I remember reading his book then and it made sense. I also later studied toxicology at Uni and let me tell you, I now would rather use CBD than take paracetamol after knowing how horrid it is for your liver.

[@katefriend4085]

I would like to plug a really obscure literary analysis book called _Writing on Drugs,_ which traces the relationship between the discovery of various drugs (marijuana/hash, heroin, cocaine, psychedelics in particular), and works of the western canon, notably "Xanadu," the character Sherlock Holmes, _Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,_ as well as others, and an interesting section on the brain. I read it every 10 years or so. I wish more people were familiar with the ideas in it, it can be found for fairly cheap on Amazon...

[@BlakJetTek]

David Nutt did an interview with Ash Sarkar on NovaraMedia a few weeks ago and their opening conversation is actually about literally this same statistic of the dangers of horseriding and how it's more dangerous than lsd and ecstasy! If you haven't watched it yet, Go and watch now! Carl Hart is also name checked funnily enough ✅

[@simm6181]

@@KaiJohnson737 Hi. A mixture of codeine and paracetamol( do not remember exact composition) and it relieves me of my menstrual cramps. What would you recommend as a better and healthier pain reliever of menstrual cramps? Thank you.

[@Kincaid2576]

When he said it’s hard to come to work, he sounded so hurt and I completely understood. This interview was so good! Interesting point about how in homogeneous societies see the drug users as themselves and therefore can empathize with them.

[@Youokhun]

Love this conversation, in Ireland we don’t have the same situation as the US but I always wondered why are certain addictive things (sugar, caffeine, alcohol, nicotine) legal but others aren’t - who decides, why was it different X years ago etc..

[@brittdavis1]

I have watched 4 interviews w Dr Hart and Kim, you did such a great job interviewing him, asking real, genuine questions and not the gotcha questions all the other platforms are throwing at him. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Thanks for actually reading the book lol

[@Thoughtsbyme-ts4jz]

People are interviewing him with their unresolved trauma. Kim and Trevor Noah did a good job interviewing him

[@nilsasalgado2777]

Finally an interviewer that can handle this discussion/book in a thoughtful manner!

[@unerevuese]

I love that Dr. Carl went into grant funding and how we conduct our research (scientist here btw) is affected by social norms and the fact that researchers are predominantly white people. Unfortunately a lot of us live in a bubble in academic research and many blindly think that our research is not impacted by social norms. Its always a red flag to me when I hear scientists say they don't have friends outside of our circles. Its why I always advice younger scientist to open up their circles and their minds to other people outside of STEM.

[@naja782]

^ this is a good point !

[@LethalLemonLime]

Ever since I was young, when I first learned that alcohol and nicotine were drugs, I would always call them drugs and people would get mad that I insinuated that they did drugs, when technically speaking, they do. It's interesting how they see other things as harder when really they're not (especially weed lol) they're just not regulated like how tobacco and alcohol are.

[@tammyrobinson1613]

My mom was addicted and the family didn't realize, as it was to many prescription pain pills, anxiety meds, etc. The focus was ony alcoholic father! Looking back, my mom's erratic behavior, the anger, outbursts in middle of the night, etc, became worse the more pharmaceuticals prescribed drugs she took. It was all blamed in my dad because, well.. alcohol!

[@based_mediumchungus1788]

@@tammyrobinson1613 nothing wrong with using oxy and xans recreationally.

[@Justanobodybro]

@@based_mediumchungus1788 yup

[@jmdaniel3016]

This channel consistently puts out content that is just at another level. So so good. I really love your balance academic topics and a casual/conversational level. Congrats Kim on all your work ❤️

[@kittybutch]

So I wanted to respond to the question you asked at minute 38:30 because I myself self medicate. As a disabled person living with chronic illness and executive functioning deficit as a part of my depression and ASD, I physically cannot go on walks and it's actually very difficult to find a therapist who is qualified to work with me because I have C-PTSD, something not in the DSM, and I'm a trans Black communist with autism. I am in support groups with other people like me but I need certain drugs to survive. For example, cannabis helps a lot of people with anorexia or who experience seizures. Other drugs have spiritual and cultural significance. A lot of descendents of African slaves in America like myself just want to find our ancestors and drugs can help us with our spiritual goals.

[@sherissetheafropunkentrepr3127]

I’m glad you said this. That section rubbed me the wrong way. Bc of this reason. Bc those of us with chronic illnesses, espiciallu those that involved pain, a WALK? A walk again Gonna get. This kinda stuff is what depressed ppl go thru being told that they can fix their chemical imbalance with a WALK! It’s insulting. Yes there are things that can be done to relieve that stress or pain that aren’t drug related, but let’s not be overly moralistic and make it seem like those who a walk will fix everything for are somehow BETTER Than those that self-medicate their pain

[@sierraj2882]

i am glad you said something and second this. i think Kim did a great job with her interview for the most part (you can tell she did her homework) but her bias against people using drugs as a "band-aid" really showed and it felt hurtful, even if not her intent. Dr. Hart has been making it clear throughout this interview that even the so-called "hard" drugs can be, within reason, used safely when understood how to be taken and in what context. and the fact that she got a little hung-up on people using it as THE solution indicates that she isn't connecting the dots: that the reason drugs are used as THE band-aid in the first place is because you have so many factors that people in positions like yours outlined. not everybody has equitable access to a clean environment. not everybody can walk. not everybody can see a therapist. she missed the point there and i was a little sad to see it but hope that it's an opportunity for her to reflect. otherwise, this was well done and i love what Dr. Hart had to say

[@toyaJM]

I’m not sure how I feel about the subject. I now have more questions to ask myself especially as a daughter of a functional addict whose family has a long history of addiction and mental illness. This was a great interview Kim glad it came without all the emotional baggage I’ve seen from other interviews of Dr.Hart.

[@serenity6831]

This was such a wonderful interview, honestly it's good that you invite ideas that you still aren't totally sure about because it shows a well rounded character. I've honestly never heard of a habitual user of "hard" drugs who still manages to convey such hard hitting, thought provoking ideas because the stigma is so heavy in our society (and we all know why). I'd love to see more of Carl's work!

[@chumbageni1537]

Great interview! I was pulling my hair out in frustration when I watched him on the breakfast club. It's one thing to be skeptical about a topic, but it felt like they were being purposely dense. Give the man and his work the respect it deserves for crying out loud, especially when what he is talking about addresses a problem that plagues the culture, and could be a possible solution for some part of the overall struggle. Well done Kim!

[@rita1able]

Me too. That was a confrontation not an interview. We all have biases and we’ve been educated/indoctrinated to look at drugs and drug users a certain way. The funny thing is that once upon a time alcohol was marketed as the worse thing to happen to the family structure, society etc. and now people drink it like water.

[@cocochanel3812]

But they ( breakfast club) love umar Johnson ….

[@QueHopkins]

Very insightful. Y’all touched on everything I needed to know on this subject. And I love how you’re constantly challenging the standards that have been set by you know whom. Thank you for your work, Kim ♥️❤️♥️.

[@Social_Pugatory]

I’m so glad you interviewed him. That Angela Rye interview was BRU-TAL. She didn’t read the whole book, she berated him the whole time, she took every point and statistic he presented as some sort of personal attack or slight against her or her drug addicted relatives as if that was somehow an indictment of his research, she started crying, IT WAS A MESS CHILE!

[@ForHarriet619]

She started crying?

[@askmeagainplease]

Yeah I watched that interview and it was really toxic. It seemed like she was there to talk about the damage of her family more than she was there to listen.

[@Social_Pugatory]

@@ForHarriet619 STARTED CRYING (it was because she was speaking about a relative that passed away young in relation to her drug addiction) it was hard to listen to. Interview was pretty short. You could tell early in the interview it was going to be a confrontational one.

[@tp2005]

We talk a lot about how folks like Charlatan Tha God don't have the range (and rightfully so), but that also needs to be extended to people like Angela more often. She's framed as an activist but I don't find her any more capable of critical and radical thought than the breakfast club ilk.

[@Social_Pugatory]

@@tp2005 Harsh but I do agree her activism does seem to have a glass ceiling and needs to brush up on her journalistic ethics because that was not an interview it was an aggressive confrontation.

[@elijahlittle7912]

This conversation reminds me of the first time I heard of prison abolition on this channel. Just an incredibly new, radical, and transformative perspective that most of us would never have thought to consider. This is why I love your channel Kim! Please keep up the incredible content!!!

[@nunubian9419]

Yasss! You dropped the interview! I watch Dr.Hart in several documentaries and always admire his advocation of regulating drugs. You did such an amazing job handling this interview compare to others I came across. You’re such a gem Kim ❤️

[@SlytherinShark888]

You're the youtube Oprah for me. Absolutely phenomenal job leering Dr. Hart explain his arguments. I always learn so much watching your videos. This should be required viewing.

[@graybrennan9731]

I would like to first acknowledge that the work that Dr Carl Hart is doing is extraordinary especially as a black cis man in regarding this conversation, as I never see BLACK SCIENTISTS front and centre of drug legalisation. Kim is are so important for KZbin and no matter the hate you might get don't ever forget that. I have seen a many channels that try to do the social commentary thing but (to quote you) the lack the range to be able to have these discussions effectively. A few things I would like to note; 1. You asked the same question multiple times but in different ways, basically drugs in relation to addiction, from what I have read on the topic Dr Hart's emphasis on we should focus on providing resources like health care, therapy, financial support ect thus people would not use drug as a way to handle those issues. Which brings me to your point about drugs being a bandaid; I disagree in regards to how Dr Hart refusing to acknowledge that because in psychology any other mechanism one uses to fix or handle a mental health problem could be considered a bandaid even things like food and over exercising can be problematic if not used correctly. But I guess it was not a good selling point to use in Dr Hart's part even though his point about providing resources would suggest yes drugs are a potential bandaid but if we focused on providing the right resources people would not need to use them as a bandaid. 2. I think his answer in regards to the physical effects should have been we can't know the answer to that without actually legalising drugs and then regulating them to be able to conduct research in those circumstances because in a point he makes later on about biased research would argue that the evidence that currently exist would not be a great representation about the effects of drugs in a legalized, regulated scenario. 3. I do think that Dr Hart's positive view on how we should provide resources like it is an easy thing is unrealistic and his not the first I have seen make that argument in the same way. To be clear I don't disagree with the argument but rather think emphasis should be put on how difficult it is to have said resources. Because from everything that's been said without providing the resources that would ensure people don't use drugs as a bandaid, legalizing drugs in a scenario without having those resources in place would be a disaster. 4. Lastly I love his honestly about research and making it clear that research and science are not a scam but rather we should focus on providing funding for the other side on scientific conversation in general so as to have an unbiased view point on social issues. Basically the research is biased because the people funding it are looking for biased results. That's all I have to write. Excellent conversation I will be getting this book even though I am in South Africa but I will make sure I get a physical copy. Kim excellent as always keep up the extraordinary job.

[@user-nu2fy5tx8w]

Yall talking about controlling doses of drugs like heroin but don't users continually try to chase the first high by wanting/needing more and more? I find it hard to try to control and use logic with certain substances that make humans insatiable and illogical?

[@sweetassgigs]

Surely the idea is that they dont have to struggle/commit crimes to finance their drug use, and professionals will be involved in their lives to track their situation

[@fini5294]

Hey, I am taking a legal prescribed amphetamine and for me it is all about the setting. It is true, that’s a good fact wears off after sometime but I will simply put in pause is where I don’t use it over sometime to detox my body and brain. I will also make sure that I meditate I’ll relax for like 20 minutes after I’ve taken it and when I do that, the effect is always pretty similar to the experience of taking it for the first time, For me there’s nothing special about the first time. I think it’s different especially when you’re depressed or trying to run away from your problems and if you take your first hit in that time the experience of getting an easy much deserved way out can be absolutely overwhelming and I think that is what makes you get addicted to the point of having a problem. For me withdrawal is little more than a headache and may be a little bit of crankiness like when I’m on my period but not even that hard. So yeah that has been my experience.

[@fini5294]

And sorry for that horrible English. Not my first language

[@aaronwatter]

The problem with not controlling (i.e. legalizing and regulating) even drugs like heroin is that if you don't do it, your local neighborhood gangster will do it for you. And they tend not to care about how much fentanyl, benzodiazepines, and laundry detergent their product is cut with.

[@tp2005]

This was such a good interview. And I think it really helped contextualize his general arguments in a way that puts me even more in line with his overall messaging.

[@HoneyGoldJasmine]

CV

[@22221mm]

As a health sex educator, knowledge of how different drugs impact your judgment is really crucial in counseling people around safer sex. I really would like to explore this more.

[@judithpriestess7781]

Thank you both for this!!!!! I have a family member struggling with addiction. I work in mental health. All of these points hit! We cannot sanitize life, we need to grapple with the complexity of drug use and equip people to cut through the programming, stigma to really understand these drugs and use them responsibly, like any other tool. Thanks again for this!

[@ThatPrettyGirlMeOT]

I love this. As a recovering addict of 2 years people are going to be addicted until the end of time. Obviously legalization does nothing to help or stop that. Most of the people in the rooms of rehab, NA, and AA get their start at the pharmacy after getting their script for legal drugs from their doctors.

[@VentraleStar]

In fact legalization HELPS because addicts won't be afraid to seek help because of criminal charges.

[@ThatPrettyGirlMeOT]

@@VentraleStar Exactly! Most people in addictive addiction stopped enjoying drugs a long time ago. If they could go someplace to safely ween down and have access to non judge mental help they would more than likely go. I think he might be on to something

[@mikasjewels5772]

Yes. My mom battles addiction. 20+ years...its an illness and relapse is apart of it. Congrats on your recovery. God bless you.

[@ThatPrettyGirlMeOT]

@@mikasjewels5772 Thank you! It’s a lifelong battle. We could use all of the help that we can get! Most people have no empathy for this illness. We need to be looked at people who are struggling. Not zombie “crackheads” who have no hope to their lives

[@sofresh37]

I do agree with you about legalization. But, disagree with most people starting their start at the pharmacy... I’m almost 2yrs sober also. I was never prescribed anything. Never abused prescriptions. Also, I know many in the rooms that sole problem was alcohol, like me. Another thing that the interviewer mentioned casually about her experience drinking... “I threw up and then, I learned” not to do the so much said drinking. I absolutely LOVED drinking as soon as I started and when I threw up after my first “overboard”/“overconsumption” of drinking that followed soon after, I just learned tried to control the conditions to not throw up but, basically just built a higher and higher tolerance thus, continuing to drink more as my alcoholism progressed. Interesting interview. Enlightening on many things. Somethings are concerning. Feels like addiction is minimized, a bit.

[@lungafilmz3214]

I dont think normalising drug use by encouraging balance through regular exercise works for me. There's such a thing as FUCTIONAL addicts. Just because some people, like this guy, function well with drugs it doesn't negate the negative chemical psychological addiction that others can develop. Speaking from personal experience, using drugs alters your sense of priority. You will find yourself prioritizing the drugs over everything else. Work, relationships, Socializing, Eating , exercising...etc. Everything else loses value in your mind. You're also in an altered state of mind and your choices are influenced by that altered state. I understand the Racial implications of drug laws & law enforcement, and that's a great conversation to have. But hard drugs like coke, heroine, freakin meth? It's a tough sell to make them sound okay to me.

[@kikibrown9548]

Same. I’m not fully convinced. I am, however, for the decriminalization. I am for criminal justice reform that would reduce sentencing for drug possession, including those who are selling them.

[@lungafilmz3214]

@@kikibrown9548 Agreed!! Decriminalization is the bigger issue here. But even with that. With hard drugs, the punishment is high because of the links of drug production and sale with gang violence, teen recruitment, negative impact on communities. I'm not sure how legalizing it would counter this. I hear In Canada they have safe spaces for meth users to get clean needles no judgement. They will offer you counseling and rehab too. its unclear how successful this it but i guess time will tell.

[@totfosk]

Using drugs alters the sense of priority. What an amazing sentence. I always defended/explained that but with 78383 words. Thanks, and 100% agree. Is extremely sad to see it from the outside

[@Firegodot]

You just described any addiction not only substance abuse you could be talking about me being terminally on twitter all the time even when i know i have to get back to work or spend more time socializing, there is nothing you said that is linked to the drugs and more to do with depression and anxiety leading to you seeking easy positive responses in your brain short term rather than working on the big picture problems that lead you toward the addictive behavior in the first place

[@intensecutn]

It's funny you're using the old 'hard drugs' trope. I've tried all those drugs you listed as 'hard', and let me tell you, alcohol is harder than all of them, but that is legal and widespread, yet the world hasn't fallen to bits.

[@zoshasafa8142]

Legalizing and regulating drugs sure would take away the cool factor. Turn it into this lame clinical process and put dealers out of business. Course that could lead to a conflict of interest if there are booming industries around addictive substances. It would have to be public. I think this would need to be accompanied by robust mental health care and addiction counseling.

[@marhabamango3696]

I just wanna know why he uses heroine. What are the benefits for him? I just feel like moderately using these drugs is unrealistic for most people.

[@america5108]

wow I am merely 10 minutes in and I am in aweee, this is such an amazing conversation.

[@SistahBear1]

I am glad you talked to him Kimberly and gave the Dr. Hart a proper platform to talk about his work. I feel like Dr. Hart's work will change a lot of minds. I definitely will read his book for myself.

[@itsnotgonnawork]

Really interesting to see disparaging comments with no reference or providing alternative solutions. A lot of people acting from (understandable) fear. Thank you for this interview, this is the best and more respectful one I have seen with him so far. I live in a country where drugs are decriminalised and some are legalised for prescription by doctors if previous treatment has proven unhelpful. Treating people like humans and de-stigmatising drug use saves lives, period.

[@nunubian9419]

I Completely agree

[@ot5874]

exactly. i think it’s so important to remember that it’s about saving lives and improving people’s quality of life

[@erinasher9317]

Such a great interview. I had a knee jerk natural bias about the subject matter but watching it definitely opened my eyes. I actually learned stuff

[@Juliana-mm5td]

Omg I was just reading this book. Thanks for inviting him!

[@musicismyhothotsex92]

I'm so glad you were able to get this interview!!! So excited to listen :-)

[@reabetswebotlholo3057]

does anyone else pause and speak their 2 cents every time Kim asks a question, or is that just me ?

[@Got2BOshun]

🤔🧐

[@danisacademiccorner4493]

Me 😂🤣

[@sulamitaluna6859]

Kim "Is research a scam?" Dr Carl Hart *shooked by her interviewing skills*

[@ashleysartattack5600]

I understand what he’s saying about regulation and safety, but as someone who had an ex for years that was a heroin addict, I just can’t get on board with this. The way he’s phrasing things to make it sound like doing heroin is an okay thing as long as it’s safe and administered correctly. Absolutely not. It’s one of the darkest substances I’ve ever seen someone experience in my life. My ex and his twin brother and older sister were all on it. It affects every aspect of their lives negatively and destroys the people around them. A piece of my soul has been taken by being in love with a heroin addict. This is not okay. I’m on board with decriminalization. These people need help and not to be locked up. But to talk about this in such a light way and like it’s okay if there’s help available around the drug use, no. Hard no.

[@amariahxo450]

Agreed , this just enables kids to think its okay especially know it all teens

[@ashleysartattack5600]

@mrsmom exactly! And his justifications for it sounded just like my ex, who saw the drugs he was on as his, “medication.” He was using it to cope with a number of physical and mental health issues that he refused to get help for.

[@yunggoosbumps215]

It has been such a sad thing to see black families torn apart by the war on drugs, meanwhile the white people with wealth have been getting away with using these same drugs because of their status.

[@toiletfrog]

Your channel is like going to a favorite university seminar; where peers actually discuss ideas critically together and where you feel more energized AFTER the seminar than before. Thank you for your content!!!

[@f.t.7933]

"exercising inhibitory controls" aka "I want to dust them but it's inappropriate for work" looool

[@supernova622]

What a legend

[@MAJORCHANGEGROUP]

While I’m on the fence on the topic I love your interview with Dr.Hart 👏🏾 best on I’ve seen and you didn’t use his use of drugs as the main topic. It wasn’t spoke of until about 45 mins in. Dr.Hart has great points and it would be great to have him in for second interview to really discuss more on addiction.

[@Internetrando]

I'm also on the fence. I'm 100% for decriminalisation, destigmatisation, treatment, and educating people on how to be safe when they use, but I feel he sometimes veers a bit into promoting the use. Or at the very least he comes across as very enthusiastic about using in a way I didn't personally care for..I dunno. This was a really fascinating interview though.

[@micah5847]

I love that you're talking about this topic!! Its so important

[@forest_green]

This is fascinating. I was just telling my little girls about this. The colonizers of the USA gave Indigenous people alcohol, lard, and flour as rations in order to starve them and make them drunk, and then made it illegal for Indigenous people to be drunk, and continued with this pattern to the modern day with other marginalized races.

[@adikaaniedobe6339]

I found this video really challenging especially cuz of some things. Firstly, just because heroin can be managed by reducing the dosage and discouraging intravenous usage does that mean people should just try it? Is that what he is saying because he says something along the line of why should it be banned for the rest of us just because some people dont obey the rules. Well why should more of us even be trying these drugs? Will it make society better? I just dont see how. The more convincing argument for legalizing is that it can help protect those who are already addicted...but other than that i dont really understand why we should be promoting trying heroin, cocaine in the "right" dosages.

[@ForHarriet619]

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[@SlytherinShark888]

I clicked on the link but it redirected me to an unknown page.

[@JZidor]

This is a dope interview 😜🤣

[@lt7153]

Fantastic interview. I am going to read the book. I am not all the way convinced but I do see where myself and most of the public have bought into the stigma around drug use and that needs to be examined.

[@truthseeker4460]

How can you decriminalize drugs but still arrest people for it?

[@lilycady3834]

I screamed when I saw you had Dr. Carl Hart on!! I love his work.

[@PumkinSeedandSpice]

I’ve been so excited for this interview to drop! His work is so interesting! I’ll have to read his book! Great interview!!

[@f3042]

I love how your platform continues to grow! What an amazing opportunity and interview.

[@kaylan9547]

You got theeeee Man, Carl Hart!! Yaaassssss!! I look forward to this interview! As mentioned in the comments, them previous interviews he's had to endure have been offensive TRASH. lol!

[@vailvarone4075]

I sent this to my best friend and asked her thoughts and she said, "well first off all I could think about was how good of an interviewer Kim is." Anyway loved this discussion and I'm so interested in challenging my thoughts about drugs and addiction.

[@laurendavis377]

Loved this! Thanks for doing this interview!!!

[@drawingdownthestars]

One of the best interviews I've seen. I keep coming back to it. Thank you so much this ❤️.

[@fosse04]

I always appreciate your deep interest in listening to the people you interview. ❤️

[@KristenNicoleYT]

You are such a fabulous interviewer. Thank you for bringing him on

[@Garnet2Amethyst]

Oh man I can’t wait to get this book! This was such a great interview, had to watch as soon as I read the title!

[@mikasjewels5772]

Thank you so much for bringing us this interview!

[@amandajacobs57]

This was amazing. You asked such good questions and he is a brilliant, patient, and empathetic man. This topic hits close to home as I have many addicts in my family. Thank you for talking to him, and now I really want to read the book.

[@1saxophone]

Good work Kim!

[@lola.odetola]

what a clever conversation, thanks for this

[@tayloryeomans9543]

Loved this episode. Made me think and reconsider a lot of ideas I have always held.

[@cosmicren2937]

You're such a great interviewer! Fascinating discussion; just checked Dr. Hart's book out of the library. Can't wait to learn more about his work.

[@oh.kaylahh]

What an interesting conversation! Definitely enjoyed this

[@tylerherrera8798]

Long time listener, first time commenter. I have been wanting to read this book for so long! I’m so glad you did this interview, you ask such thoughtful smart questions 💖

[@takesha959]

Kim, sis you out here in these streets. Dr. Carl Hart!!! Congratulations this interview a major look in my book.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@tyarahernandez9291]

Such a great conversation really changes your perspective on things.

[@dondi2129]

I don’t drink, smoke or do any drugs. I me and my frat brothers were harassed so harshly in VA because the officer used the excuse of smelling marijuana. Non of my frat bros that were in the car , including me, do any types of drugs.. the tore my bro’s car apart, cuffed us, body searched us, and sent 4 more cop cars to check his vehicle to find absolutely. I’ve never been more humiliated in my life because my second trauma experience with the police.. Long story short: whatever excuse we can take from the cops to over-police black people, I will support it.

[@SpiritualParallels]

YOU HAVE AN INTERVIEW WITH CARL HART????!!! How am I just finding this????? I've been following you for a while and I love Carl Hart! This is so fucking cool! We really vibing now Two of my favorite people on screen, am I dreaming??? Tysm for featuring him on your podcast! People need to read his book and not judge right away. The drug war is stupid and causes so much harm. Still can't believe you two are together on screen!! I'm freaking out lol ok I'll go away now

[@RedHearts178]

after just hearing about dmx and seeing some extremely insensitive tweets about him and his issues this conversation feels so timely

[@robertstanley9633]

Great job Kimberly!

[@BrittanySimon]

I was dying to hear from him! I am so glad you had this conversation.

[@LiveLaughLearn45]

An interviewer that did the assignment before it was due ?????!!!!?!!?!!!!!??! YOU BETTAA !!!

[@kaligirwanamahoro9921]

I absolutely agree with him as a black canadian working in a government owned dispensary! Safe supply is one of the most important thing. Education about what the person is using is primordial.

[@kaligirwanamahoro9921]

It's literally what happened in Canada. You know what kind of cannabis you're buying, the strength, you can buy cannabis without any THC.

[@anthonygordonjr4314]

I love this channel. Always glad to learn new perspectives.

[@ramsy351]

Excellent interview. Loved the conversation. The fact you did your research prior to the interview 👏🏽👏🏽 you are awesome !!!

[@itsashagurhh]

Thank you for this!!!!!!

[@CreoleKing1986]

I loved this conversation but as a child of 2 parents who battled drug addictions (step father died of it), it felt like he was jumping through hoops to make drugs seem ok. I'm not with the decriminalization 🙅🏾

[@nadjak3410]

I'm with decriminalization but I agree with you that his former statements regarding "heroin makes me a better person and parent" is a fundamental lie. Addiction in any form makes you blind to some extent to the wants and needs of your beloved ones. It's problematic because it's a very fine line between legitimate academic work to destigmatize addicts and the gaslighting of your family imo. And even if he is one of the few who become in fact better people by using, this isn't true for the vast majority who start to neglect themselves and their families.

[@CreoleKing1986]

@@nadjak3410 Very very true!👍🏾

[@wanjikz92]

@nadjak very true. And it also doesn't take into account the social economic cushioning that allows him the leeway to be a "better parent" while regularly consuming heroin. Thats certainly not the case for the vast majority of people

[@supernova622]

"addiction in any form" But what are we characterizing as addiction? If someone is able to fulfill all of their obligations, progress with their life goals, care for their family without their drug use interfering, is that addiction? My mom was an alcoholic and it put her in an early grave, but i use alcohol on occasion in moderation and my relationship to alcohol is very different. Am i low key addicted to alcohol because I enjoy a drink once in a while? There are recreational alcohol users, recreational marijuana users, recreational mdma users. Why not a recreational heroin user? Why does using the drug automatically confer addiction to the drug?

[@acdc9156]

He deserved a serious pushback when he was saying some people are not responsible enough to take drugs and the responsible ones have to pay the price. Disingenuous to say the least. And comparing it to people driving is disingenuous too.

[@shablagoo6491]

Ohhh yesss I’ve been waiting for this!!!

[@lindseytallent2855]

You are SUCH a good interviewer. I appreciate the way that you did your homework and your open mindedness to the subject and yet your honesty about your hesitations that remained… It made all the difference!

[@Jay-pj5tg]

Thank you Kim n everybody at For Harriet as well as Dr Hart. This convo was enlightening

[@BloodRedVampire]

Amazing interview! Can’t wait to give this book a read!

[@telly_0]

This was so good! Thank you both!

[@MicahRion]

Thank you for this conversation. I’ve learned so much.

[@blueindreams]

Easily one of my favorite interviews you’ve done!