Youtube BOYCOTT Just Got Way Worse and Why People Are Scared

[@PhilipDeFranco]

I don't know where we're going to shoot the show next week, advertisers are dropping like flies on KZbin, but one things for sure...I'M GOING TO KEEP MAKING YOU GUYS A BAD ASS SHOW EVERY SINGLE WEEKDAY! Thanks for being a part of this weird experiment. :)

[@xxdewxx9]

Philip DeFranco IS THIS STILL A NEWS SHOW? DID THE NEWS CHIMP RETIRE? Please Phil

[@douglas2616]

Hey

[@AndieStardustDraws]

Philip DeFranco WOOOOOO watched since 2008, will keep watching!

[@Frankly.Spoken]

Philip DeFranco you're welcome Phil

[@ZKEUS]

Thanks for keeping us informed with your videos!!

[@mykie]

To the bit on KZbin: KZbin became the massive success it is in large part because it was one of the only places to find consistent, raw, unfiltered content from real people that hadn't been tidied up with a corporate bow like most other forms of entertainment at the time. It's a place where people curse and make jokes you make usually in the comfort of your close circle of friends- clearly there was a huge want for that. There are so few people that embody the wholesome PG version of what mainstream cable caters most to. Sure, it's safe and that's why they do it, but there's also a need for other types of content and youtube filled that so well. I think the decisions KZbin is making, while I understand they're just looking for ways to make the most profit (and I think that then goes into advertisers tunnel-visioning on the 'the best money is in PG content' idea), is going to ultimately lead to them stemming too far away from what made youtube so unique, desired and successful in the first place. They will have the safe tidy bow on them, content creators who can no longer make a living off their 'unsafe', 'non-advertiser friendly' content will need to leave, and when that happens, another platform will come along and fill the need for relatable, real content.

[@matts6139]

Glam&Gore Great comment!

[@matts6139]

Edward Aldeen I think this shows the wide range of viewer that Philip gets. You are used to commenters being high school age. As you get older you don't mind reading to get a better grasp.

[@TrypodKat]

Edward Aldeen You'll start to appreciate reading as you get older.

[@miles4260]

Edward Aldeen after you pass age 12, you'll start understanding essays. You're not there yet it's okay bro.

[@BestOfNothingTV]

Glam&Gore Yep, agreed. This sums up what I was thinking to say better than I could write myself.

[@JustinWhangYt]

In practice, having any kind of opinion about anything, liberal or conservative, isn't "advertiser friendly." But I bet CNN, FOX News, or any other of the old media corporations with KZbin channels don''t get their videos demonetized when they cover racism, terrorism or other controversial issues.

[@mat.quantum2671]

Well, KZbin is definitely becoming more and more like a TV sort of platform. AND they are eliminating individuals that just want to speak their opinion, like Phil.

[@PrometheusXV]

Of course not, because in the famous words of CNN "It's actually illegal for you", although they were talking about documents, but the quote does still work out of context.

[@IizUname]

They are trying to compete with the media titans who have immense influence in the US. (KZbin) However, they're taking plays from an old handbook and mimicking the actions of their media predecessors. Radio and television both had commercials integrated into shows before there was a commercial period. KZbin is becoming evil to fight evil imo. Additionally this looks like a power play by the traditional mediums to show KZbin who has the power.

[@howlers8]

and I bet you'd be proven absolutely right. actually I think phil said that in the last several days

[@dakrawnikg4480]

but they have more to lose than some youtuber.

[@bingdt9885]

The whole "I don't do it for the money" spiel is really being put to the test.

[@ScrewFearMe]

when its become a job for alot of the creators out there.... i dont think i need to say anything else

[@kay-sz2vf]

I agree, but MOST KZbinrs don't even have jobs. KZbin IS their job. They love making the vids so much that it's legit they're job, but I can definitely see where you are coming from.

[@TheSmaxes]

you do realize we don't pay for youtube, unless you are paying for youtube red, if you have such a problem with youtubers then why the fuck are you here

[@Wtahc]

Aaron joel So... they ARE doing it for the money(?)

[@TheAazah]

POKER ANARCHY​ Not if they have staff and bills to pay. Not souly on the money. They invest in videos for US!

[@natashadarling5762]

As a former flight attendant (who did not work for United) this is the rule with all airlines so you're getting bent out of shape for nothing...these girls were getting a free or nearly free ride and all the company asked them to do was dress in a way that properly represented the company. The pass riders and flight attendants agree to those rules (among others about good behavior) before hand so United was well within their rights to refuse them a spot on the plane. Don't follow the rules, suffer the consequences. Simple as that. You don't have to like it but then you also don't have to fly for free. You can pay and wear your leggings until your heart is content. :)

[@miller7037]

well said

[@Bunnybananabunny]

I technically understand your point but I think the problem is that as long as discounted passengers are not wearing airline logos it shouldn't matter what they wear. If they wear airline logos or something that clearly marks them as representatives of the airline then the airline has all the right in the world to issue rules on clothing.

[@miller7037]

honestly, if you're getting a free ticket it doesnt matter if you dont wear leggings for 2 hours or at least a wear a coat, its the company's terms and condition its not like theyre asking the women to sacrifice blood or some shit. its just wearing a coat. And to your point yes you're right about the airline logo part but maybe these free riders have are identifiable due to some seating arrangement or something of the sort ,otherwise why would the airline have rules like this?

[@Bunnybananabunny]

Miller Good point about maybe being identifiable anyway! Hadn't thought of that!

[@jamoecw]

maybe the airline is subsidizing that person's flight in order to help create a certain atmosphere on the flight. think of it like game girls at gaming conventions, they don't have logos or anything of the like, and they don't spend all the time at the booth, but they are creating an atmosphere via their presence that someone is paying for. or you can think of it like models highered to go to a party, just to make the party more enjoyable for those that are attending, ultimately they paid to look and act a certain way. sure i guess that if you believe that how people look and act should never be monetized then this would be something you wouldn't like, but then again there is a whole industry to tackle before this becomes a meaningful issue.

[@CounterSpin]

Phil, this is media conglomerates moving in on monopolizing their influence on the internet. Radio is dead, TV is dying, and the internet is the future.

[@StudioCluiss]

CounterSpin #usetor Tor is a browser that hides your browsing traffic and encrypts everything you look at.

[@jakesmith9089]

Captain Cluiss it's also extremely dangerous to be on Tor, no one should ever be on it at all

[@TheMetalfreak360]

So basically the old media is going to war against the new media which is the internet in general? Also, it seems it is going against some odd ones, Sargon of Akkad and PewDiePie is some of those that seems to be "attacked". Which seems odd when they are not directly attacking anybody, Sargon are just a sceptic. Seems to me that this and the "censor" button goes against people that dosen't share a certain opinion. Also, it seems to target youtubers that talk about ISIS (or other news) for example, show videos from BBC, RT or CNN or whatnot, and becomes a target because they use "far-right/hateful content", where most are just discussing or are sceptic about a certain subject/thing, and especially odd since those newsources are not "attacked" for the same imagery.

[@JayCTNI]

What platform that pays people for their content are people going to migrate to???

[@mazterlalalaman]

SalesBro no KZbin operates at a loss having a monopoly over the KZbin esc video platform

[@Potassiumkloride]

My father has worked for an airline (not United Airlines) for as long as I can remember, and I can say from experience that dress codes for friends/family flying on company passes is not a new concept. Any time I've used one in the last decade, I was explicitly told to be dressed appropriately or risk not being allowed to board, and my little sister has received the same warnings from as young as 5 years old. Either the employee who gave the girls the passes did not properly explain the dress code, or the girls decided to risk not following it and got caught. Either way, this is not a case of 'body shaming', it's just someone who didn't follow the rules.

[@CallaLilyB]

All of these people are talking about "get a real job and stop being lazy". Any HUSTLE is a real job. Don't knock someone else's hustle because you have to do more at your 9 to 5 working under people just to make a quarter of what they make. Not knocking 9 to 5 jobs because we need those companies, but don't hate on the next because of their come up. That's a blessing.

[@OhSo805]

Robin Baker facts

[@joedoherty1062]

KZbin needs to remember to keep the creators happy, without them they have nothing

[@LiezerZero]

KZbin is owned by Google, Google owns.... Alphabet, AdSense, Analytics, Ara, AdMob, Boston Dynamics, Calico, DeepMind, DoubleClick, Express, FeedBurner, Firebase, Gmail, Glass, Hangouts, Ingress, Invite Media, Life Sciences, Loon, Makani, Nest, Nexus, Picasa, Pixate, reCaptcha, refine, SageTV, Stackdriver, Skybox, Skia, Tango, Ventures, VirusTotal, Wing, X Labs, KZbin, Project Z, Zagat and more. So keeping the creators happy or not does not really hurt googles bottom line.. So if they wanted to shut KZbin down.. they can and it would not faze them at all.

[@capenati]

KZbin wants a certain type of creator, the creators they don't want are a minority.

[@HBC423]

+Valueless Dollar none of those companies make anywhere near money

[@skewbs]

Valueless Dollar The thing is, can you imagine the loss in money they'd take if they did shut youtube down? KZbin has become this huge, they would definitely be fazed.

[@joedoherty1062]

And why the fuck not? these people all work very hard to make content that people enjoy and makes their day better. Who are YOU to tell people how they should and shouldn't make their money?

[@Arsenal19Alex]

my mum is an air stewardess for BA (british airways) and i personally have flown on what they call staff travel (basically the same thing) and the same rules apply there, they specifically say to employees that no sportswear is allowed (this has come to include leggings) (sometimes even trainers depending on how clean they are/wear and tear etc.), no ripped clothes (even if its the fashion design), nothing that shows too much skin, no jeans etc. This rule applies to people of all ages, when i was 5 the rules applied to me same as they do now if i ever travel on staff travel, my mum took this to mean that i had to wear a shirt with a collar, polo was the minimum, chinos or something similar, and dress shoes, when i was a kid that basically meant my school shoes. my mum felt as though i wasn't only representing the company but also her, if i turn up wearing tacky clothes, i would make her look bad, and therefore the company through association. The reason for this rule is that staff members sometimes get a priority seat for standby customers (NOT PAYING CUSTOMERS) essentially if there was a seat on the flight, the company would essentially pull rank, captains get first, the co pilots, then senior staff who have worked there longest (with my mum i would basically get a seat in BA's CLUB section of the plain, also known as J class priority). Therefore you would sit in an area for significantly reduced (rarely free as you still pay about £200 (i may be wrong about that figure) for tax when leaving from Heathrow airport) where you would sit with customers who are often business men/women. If therefore you represent the company wearing whatever you want, the company may look bad if it is found out that you are on staff travel. This is essentially the company trying to cover there own ass, but i'm 21 now (and i have been flying around with my mum for almost my entire life under these rules), my brother is 26(same things as me), and my mum has worked for BA for over 30 years and this rule is one that has never changed except to add more clothes to the "banned list". I can see why the company does this, but i think it should be less strict when applied to children, however, technically, the company was well within their legal limits. P.s. Im a big fan of you and your co-workers from the vlogs, love your show, always watch it and for the most part i actually agree with you, there is a video i watched recently that i hope you include in today in awesome, its is a TED talk about a woman who was raised in the Westboro Baptist Church, in the video she has a lot of things to say which i think you will agree with and also like, and i hope you add it to today in awesome to share it with your viewers But i love yo face and keep up the great work on the show

[@howtodrawreallygood]

RIP KZbin

[@keepXonXrockin]

Oliver Age 24 hopefully your wonderful 3D art won't be affected

[@nomadninja2369]

Hopefully IF the Internet starts to get censored and our browsing history starts to get sold we will stop being so divided against each other and start looking at the big corporations that control everything. Great work as always Philly D

[@Bentbire]

The fact that internet privacy is even being considered is sad. Our privacy should be just that, ours.

[@georgegreen3470]

Lol hi if u use Firefox,add the lightbeam extension to see how much ur already being tracked

[@Redtecho]

Lol Hi Lol Hi Lol Hi Lol Hi Lol Hi Lol Hi Lol Hi

[@dco5055]

george green you can be tracked server side no add on can see that. The add on you talking about is looking at JavaScript what can be seen. Your ISP can see everything if the wish to do so even if encrypted. Then if you try the VPN route how do you know their safe?

[@NotContinuum]

My thoughts on today's show: 1) The advertisers are acting a bit like babies. Did they really think that every video and website that they were going to be matched to was going to be wholesome and friendly? If so, they were burying their heads in the sand. That said, I understand not wanting to be associated with hate speech, etc, but running away seems like overboard. I will, however, respect the argument that this may be the only way to get Google to listen, by taking their money away. 2) I've used the buddy pass system before and was warned that I had to dress up. I wore slacks, a button down shirt, and matching shoes. If you want a free/discounted ride, you follow the rules of the people who are paying for it. In this case, that's dressing up like you work in a business environment. 3) I would like someone to take internet access away from all of Congress for one week. No email, browsing, or anything. And their staffs, families, and others can't do it for them either. Let's see how long they can go without complaining about the practical necessity of the internet in daily life these days. Them maybe they will understand why it's such an important resource and why it must be protected against anti-competitive practices.

[@shathanofal7543]

Well said!

[@comedyzone]

Must be mentioned on Friday. Point 3 is valid as fuck

[@transformersloverjon]

NotContinuum >Acting like babies. Genius. You deserve an award.

[@xIRWINBx]

The silliest thing about all off this is that companies think we as consumers are going to associate their brand with a random video on KZbin.

[@joerichmar6041]

lol... very true

[@b9307893]

Benjamin Irwin-Gordon Or that we pay attention to the ads anyway... I just wait to skip or ignore them until they are over anyway as I feel most people do "yes I am aware of ad block as well". If I really like a channel I watch their videos and let the ads play just so they get paid but pay no attention to the ad.

[@pluto8404]

Benjamin Irwin-Gordon You live in a world where people get offended by hair cuts, and memes. I dont think the companies are silly at all in thinking people will associate the two.

[@xIRWINBx]

Pluto : People certainly are overly offended but when watching things on tv or the internet you have to be a dick or a moron to assume that advertisers agree with every piece of content ever. People dont care about ads, and they certainly dont think too deeply into whether McDonald's agrees with phil defranco

[@pluto8404]

Benjamin Irwin-Gordon and unfortunately, theres alot of morons out there. and the companies arent run by idiots, they have people with phd's in psychology doing marketing, so they prob know what theyre doing.

[@cloudedthought6944]

Money has ruined this fantastic creation.

[@vividplasma227]

Clouded Thought money is also what keeps it going. Money does not discriminate between toxic channels and great small ones.p, but removing removes it for everyone. Fix the problem, don’t just make another one.

[@r.d.9399]

Censorship by KZbin is ruining this site.

[@C88Goblin]

if you're getting free or cheap flights, following a simple dress code should just be common sense.

[@paradiz3lost]

It is common sense if you are living in Pakistan not in "'Merican democracy"

[@planebreach]

So ... if you work for a company with a dress code you are in Pakistan ... got it.

[@bloxcraft8489]

-#Dreams-- Catcher#- In Pakistan or anywhere. Just follow the damn rules. You're basically getting gifted something and getting mad about it because you don't want to follow the rules of the gift.

[@miller7037]

Dude its their company they can do what they like with it. i personally dont like it and im sure many more wont but youtube can do whatever they want.. if they lose revenue however is another issue.

[@TheMike6452]

Internet User yes they give you the staff ticket and let you use it as long as you follow their rules that shouldn't be hard too understand

[@nanfoodles]

My father worked for Air Canada, they had the same rules. We used to wear suits and ties to fly. It's a respect thing, for the company and the people paying for their flights while we traveled for free.

[@alecosfan]

i am a United pass rider and they constantly remind you of this before every flight its like their main concern with you flying free. If they are giving you a privilege follow the rules.

[@seigeengine]

I have to agree. If you don't want to comply, pay like everyone else.

[@krowman8458]

I knew it was coming this is why KZbin needs a competitor for everyone to go to because I KNEW from the beginning that all this..this playground would not last. Just like everything,suits eventually destroy it.

[@ShinyRayquazza]

My parents work for a major airline, and our family has frequently flown standby/non-revenue (i.e. for low or no cost), ever since I was around 5 years old. It has ALWAYS been understood that there is a code of conduct for non-revs, and a business formal dress code. This is taken VERY SERIOUSLY, _especially_ in premium cabins. You are absolutely a representative of the company, and you must dress and act as such, or you can buy a ticket like everyone else. This is *not* an issue about women's rights. This isn't somebody telling a 10 year old girl what she can and can't wear. This is simply a case of people DISRESPECTING a company policy that has been in place for decades and is well known and understood throughout the entire industry. Furthermore, this is a case of people disrespecting the United employee they were friends with/related to who allowed them to fly on a pass. Because they were not only representing United, they were representing the employee who's pass they were on. And this disregard and disrespect for the well-established rules will likely not reflect well on that employee, especially considering how public this has gotten. The fact that these people went on social media to defend their actions just further shows their apparent lack of class. The entitlement they must feel is astounding. It's honestly sad - there used to be a time when people had actual respect for the aviation industry.

[@Honigbiene1]

Shiny Rayquazza + I just want to up vote this comment

[@Barbievel]

Shiny Rayquazza I've rode for free when I was in 6th grade since my aunt was a flight attendant and I clearly remember being told I had to dress up fancy so I agree, these people were ignoring policy and I don't feel bad for them at all

[@PoppinRandomBubbles]

YoureGoingDownFed You're an idiot. Leggings are not god damn tights or panty hose. you can't see through them.

[@greasygranpapy7529]

Shiny Rayquazza, I totally agree. Also, I have a master ball, so I'm going to catch you, now.

[@aubsmart86]

Shiny Rayquazza exactly!!!!

[@MsBunnyBrains]

I am not a creator, just a humble, long time fangirl of KZbin creators and their content. I HATE what's happening now! Everything I love about KZbin content is at risk of being phased out :( I've also been unsubscribed from some of my favourites KZbinrs even though I'm over 30 and don't use Restricted Mode. Furthermore, not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but a high majority of KZbin's suggestions for me lately, both in the sidebar and on the homepage, end up being fluffy, boring white-bread drivel :(

[@thepandaassassin]

If someone gave you 80% off on a 700$ ticket I would wear a hot dog suit

[@natelincoln]

You said exactly what I was thinking! If people like to watch someone then support them. I personally hate seeing ads. Every time I see an ad I see price increases on whatever the ad shows.

[@ChrisRamsay52]

Best News Channel on KZbin, about KZbin.

[@SavvyGamingLink]

If they gave me a free ticket, I'd follow what every stupid rules they had. "Free ticket if you fly naked and dance once we reach cruising altitude for 5 minutes" DEAL

[@User-dz2zv]

SavvyGaming fr

[@navonmyhand7999]

Same... sadly.

[@EcnalKcin]

As someone that worked for Verizon for 5 years, I can tell you that your internet usage is already monitored. Not to the degree of what you are using it for, but how many devices are connected and how frequently you are online is. Also, as someone that worked for Verizon, it is scary that they would collect info, because as a whole they are pretty half assed, or at least the home services portion is. Verizon is all about making money, and that means if they can do something halfway decent on a shoestring budget, rather than do the job properly for twice the cost, guess which option they go with. As an employee it was always interesting to see typos spell check could fix inside our internal systems, that would persist for weeks or even months. Often they would make major changes to things like TV lineups, and then inform us a few days later of the changes they were making as if they had announced it in advance, when in fact the changes were already in place. On top of that, there were a number of areas that they oversold services in, basically selling services they could not provide. Rather than upgrade to meet demands, they would throttle internet speeds. I know there was also a major network issue in Florida, that persisted for almost a year before anyone was able to figure it out. A lot of times they simply don't have capable personal to find and fix problems. I heard from a couple sources that during the first few years they were forming they laid off/fired a lot of their experienced techs, and then hired a bunch of inexperienced techs for half the rate. And yet, Verizon makes billions of profit every year. It is not that they can't afford to do things the right way, they just choose not to. They are also considered to be one of the better ISP's. Think about it, your personal information will be in the hands of a company filled with employees that are pressured to meet goals that can only be met by doing things half-assed, or taking shady approaches, because the company wants to maximize profits. There is no loyalty on the part of the employees, and no loyalty to the employees. A company that settles for "mostly good enough" rather than aim for excellence. But hey, I hear Comcast is worse.....

[@ceasebenjaminbeast3947]

holy damn I'd like to say Verizon are pieces of shit but to be fair i bet most successful internet providers are exactly the same

[@WolfLarson]

All the big youtubers should team up and make a new "youtube"

[@theorangedinosaur4098]

Ustube

[@Millerbros3]

Well that was 16 long minutes of greatness in my day. I'm perfectly fine getting a little more news with the show being longer. Helps keep us all informed

[@-vai-3782]

16 minutes of reasonableness

[@theawsomemax]

Millerbros3 ikr, I wish his shows were longer

[@daddydewitt1920]

You know how in watch dogs you can click a button and it'll tell you "this person watches lots of hentai" or "that person has medicinal marijuana?" That's our future.

[@alvin307]

Hugh Mungus they're not voting on a bill?! they're voting on REPEALING a bill... a bill that hasn't even taken effect yet... meaning, if they REPEAL this bill, absolutely nothing will change. BTW, the bill (which has never been in effect) would have basically only made Comcast and other ISPs add a few lines in that long ass contract that you probably signed without reading anyway... lol... this repeal is NOT a big deal... yes, privacy would be awesome, but I'm not going to trust OUR GOVERNMENT to insure it bahaha. Our privacy is the last thing our government cares about. Use a VPN and insure your own privacy. Don't let the government dig their fingers into OUR internet anymore than they already have! But again, this is a REPEAL of a bill that was not in effect yet... so nothing is changing... you people are apparently just now opening your eyes to something that has been going on for years... Don't email state officials, email your ISP! Start a Twitter war with Comcast! Make THEM realize how unhappy this makes us! Maybe T-Mobile will come along and start an ISP that won't sell our shit... they helped bring Unlimited Data back... that's capitalism at work right there... government restrictions on companies is not the solution

[@daddydewitt1920]

alvin307 fucking hell you left this on a lot of comments

[@alvin307]

Hugh Mungus just trying to educate as many people as I can on what is ACTUALLY going on... when ignorant people like you are leaving multiple comments about how NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN ISPs can do this because of REPUBLICANS... gotta correct that dumbass notion...

[@jamoecw]

www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/34 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States#FCC.27s_authority_narrowed_.282014.29 so while the current law has yet to be implemented the net neutrality issue has been ongoing since 2004. the law was made due to a court case in 2014 which negated the FCC's ability to enforce net neutrality. so yes it will change things.

[@youwaisef]

Hugh Mungus You typed that question mark way too soon.

[@charlottestone2132]

My dad is a pilot and I've been able to travel for free with his airline for over 20 years - during that my family and I have always presented ourselves with respect. Even as a ten-year-old I only wore leggings under a dress when flying. We were often associated with the airline and given special treatment because of my dad; we took the company bus to our hotel rooms; if unable to be seated in business/first class we were given rows with extra seats and business/first class food; we boarded before other passengers; etc. I don't think its too much for United to ask. I think that most airlines have at general rule for "pass riders", but most people actually follow the rule and United are the first to really get noticed for it. On the note that it's "sexist" and only monitoring women, my brothers had to dress to the same standard at me - no flip flops, board shorts or t-shirts (and that's asking a lot of Australians). They were always in jeans, button ups and closed in shoes, even as teenagers. If there were male pass riders dressed inappropriately I'm sure it would be the same as in the recent situation. Pass riders are given a privilege, they are representing the airline's employees to an extent. It's not too hard to find comfortable and classy clothing to show some respect for the privilege they're being given.

[@steff162]

As long as KZbin has the monopoly this will keep happening to creators. I'm suprising no one has tried to put up a startup the same as YT but much better. Like spotify vs apple music.

[@foleyboyoo6165]

1. Woman denied entry with no other information - Outrage that's preposterous 2.They were representing the United and getting free/heavily discounted tickets- Follow the rules you are in a sense representing United, therefore, you should dress as they deem appropriate by their dress code. Plus your tickets are heavily discounted/free 3. The 10-year-old girl was one of the three girls - I don't believe the young girl would be considered representing United, therefore, let her off, but the two older can be seen as representing United, therefore, follow the rules.That's Just my outlook on the situation

[@celinak5062]

foleyboyoo +

[@imwhatthekidscallcringy3858]

foleyboyoo I had pretty much all the same thoughts on that story lol

[@tristans4579]

foleyboyoo. facts

[@pixelsfeeds]

Well my internet provider is not going to like how into trees i am.

[@Broadway_Ben]

pixelsfeeds "I'm sending pictures of the most amazing trees, you'll be obsessed with all my forrest expertise"

[@eyewishuwould]

Just speaking out in regards to the airline story where United refused flights to the women for wearing leggings. My old roommate regularly flew on standby using one of the friend/family passes and he always had to dress up when I would drop him off at the airport. When I asked him why he said because if he didn't he wouldn't be allowed on the flight. He told me about people who have been turned away for wearing things like shorts and/or flip-flops. I feel like 6 hours in dress clothes is worth the 7/800 dollars you're saving.

[@AndyGilleand]

My problem is on videos that are still listed as monetized, but are showing 90% less ads than they were before. I would love to appeal, but because they aren't actually fully demonetized, I can't do anything about it. Also, none of my videos have anything to do with the type of content this is supposed to affect.

[@johnjackson8166]

Remember when KZbin was just used to watch silly cat videos?

[@Luis-pi7fh]

John Jackson The good old days...

[@mat.quantum2671]

John Jackson #bringcatvideosbackagain

[@ghostlywinds5334]

John Jackson too bad google+ turned youtube into a shit storm of nothing but TV and updates making youtube worse aaaand the most pointless 2016 meme explosion that wasn't really a meme explosion. just 6 mins of BS

[@dingusmcpringus7460]

John Jackson Those were dark, terrible times.

[@palmerzukermanschure1451]

The good old days

[@Katimorton]

Great show as alway Phil. Thanks for taking the time to make it :) you would think that in an effort to win over customers one of the larger ISPs would say "Heck no, we're not selling your data like the competition is" and that in and of itself would earn legions of new and passionate clients....

[@Anonobody315]

It's just more indication that they are all working together behind closed doors to ensure any actual competition is entirely stifled, unfortunately. Would be nice if we actually had alternatives for ISPs. They even fought Google with everything they had when Google tried to jump in, but eventually had no choice but to lower their costs to be competitive with it in the areas they were actually able to gain a foothold.

[@lbonts]

unfortunately no, big telecom co's have deals to keep prices high; it's why in some areas you can only buy turner, other places comcast - it's like geographic monopolies so there's less competition

[@chickensseeall]

Kati Morton they will just say they aren't and then do so anyway. the layman won't even know or notice

[@Stormtimbers]

You can't have "demonetization" without "demon"

[@ashscott6068]

Advertisers won't come back. If you pull your ads but your competition doesn't, they gain customers and you lose them. But if there is an excuse for BOTH companies to pull advertising, then neither loses out, and both save themselves all that ad money. This exact thing happened when tobacco advertising was banned in sports. Ads don't make you buy a product. They just influence you to buy one version of a product over another, when you had already decided to buy SOME version of that product. Companies would rather NOT advertise, but they have to if their competition is. If Brand A returns to advertising on KZbin, then brand B of the same product type will be forced to return too, and both will lose money for no gain.

[@DeMoraJS]

lol what? Advertising is a NECESSITY regardless if your competition is doing it or not. How do you expect people to know your product even exists?

[@JameyMcQueen]

@R. Demora I think that's literally what they said. Think of it this way: McDonald's and Burger King are competitors in the fast food industry. If McDonald's (Brand A) pulls its ads, what's stopping Burger King (Brand B) from replacing those ads with their own? Brand A would be losing exposure for their product. Business decisions are made every day, but pulling ads is not a good one.

[@belongtobill]

I would've gotten told to go home in any of my jobs if I wore leggings, ripped jeans, flip flop etc. Even at my retail job where I work at a clothing store, I couldn't wear the clothes we sold because it did not follow dress code rules. These "pass riders" are representatives of the company. What you wear directly impact the image of the company. If you dress like you don't care, that puts a bad front on the company and might turn people away.

[@Tooopper]

It doesn't really matter what they were wearing or what any of us think for that matter. The airline chooses their dress code based off what sort of dress they would deem better for their image. If ANYBODY is going to reap the benefits of the airline in a way that may affect its image, they have to abide by whatever lawful regulation it sets.

[@ancientET]

Tooopper rules are rules, cant only enforce them on certain people. Anybody using the pass tickets has to be up to the standard of the dress code, male, female, old, young, everybody.

[@WHIT3N1NJA]

Kourtney Anne nonrevenue fliers just have to dress appropriately for what they want. most airlines require dress clothes, not jeans tights or shorts, but actual dress clothing.

[@357fukkr]

My mother worked for an airline from the time I was really little and we absolutely had to abide by their dress code, back then it was suit jackets and slacks for me. Back then most men and boys wore this. Things have gotten more relaxed in the past 20 odd years, last time I flew I only saw business men in suits. When I first started flying people still smoked on planes, after a 2 hour flight everyone smelled like an ashtray.

[@F4c2a]

It's not a gift, BigBro. They're getting cheap tickets IN EXCHANGE for looking good on the airplane. Completely understandable.

[@hannahgentry255]

Hell yes this changes my original thoughts!!! If anyone is getting the free/discounted flight and are representing the airline they SHOULD follow the rules of the airline. It's just like in my marching band; when we go out to competitions that are a few states away from home, the 300+ of us are told to dress professionally and act in a way that represents our school/Band pride. If a group of over 300 teenagers in high school can figure out how to act and dress in ways to present a great reputation- I think any of the free/discounted flyers can.

[@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm]

Also, as stupid as it sounds, If I'm in that same scenario with leggings... I'm guessing I'm not getting on. My ass looks fine... kidding... but seriously, leggings are not business casual. They're casual. Plain and simple. You can sleep in them...

[@MegnetaFusion]

Am I the only one that feels that the corporation of KZbin itself needs a serious change of leadership?

[@MegnetaFusion]

Jelise amen

[@justintaylor6385]

I put forward a vote of no confidence and suggest new leadership is needed! :)

[@FTBLETSAS]

Hi Philip, do you believe the war on youtube's monetization has anything to do with the new facebook video monetization program launching at the same time? would you see any "hiden" connection?

[@jordanbriers8860]

I have had the same issue before on a Qatar flight, my sister is a flight attendant and I get HEAVILY discounted flights, I got kicked off a flight once for wearing jeans. Wearing smart pants and a shirt is a small price to pay for a £300 pound flight from South Africa to the UK

[@kaitiemarie9572]

Jordan Briers My mom worked for an airline. When I was 12 my whole family had to miss a flight because I was wearing a denim skirt.

[@maanyasheth6802]

Jordan Briers I see what you are saying, but it seriously sucks that is the price to pay, leggings are completely normal clothes, they should not what so ever be able to control what we were

[@Gracerunning91]

I work for a large German airline and we follow the same policy. I know many people who have had friend or family denied, or almost denied boarding for what they are wearing. While I empathize with the little girls who ever allowed them to use the pass would have been fully aware of the policy in advance and has the responsibility to make sure anyone who uses their pass is dressed appropriately. If it was a little boy in track pants they would have had the same issue. This is a clear example of someone not feeling that the rules apply to them and then creating outrage when they don't get their way. It's an excellent click bait article (combining airline hate and misogyny) and I was not surprised to see it blow up. There is also nothing to say you can't change once on board, I have a 30 hour flight for business coming up and you can be sure I will be in my business attire for boarding and then changing into my yoga pants once we have taken off.

[@DepressedOptimist]

_If you don't actually run for president in 2024 Im suing_

[@Infamouswiseman]

Are you going to help fund him?

[@Polarwhisper6]

innomate is Askin the real questions haha!!

[@abossmanthing]

Finally my time to shine! My father has been a pilot for approximately 40 years and has worked for Twa/american airlines for about 30. I have used the buddypass several times whether to visit family/friends abroad and domestic. My father has ALWAYS stressed that I am supposed to wear a collared shirt+ slacks whilst flying on the airline's bill. I agree that its ridiculous that leggings are not allowed however the clause under American Airlines TOS implies that you are "representing the airlines as an employee/beneficiary and are to conduct yourself in the appropriate manner." My father says that "its a benefit, not a right. One guy wets their pants and everyone wears diapers. Most of those people and their benefactors probably lost their passes." He personally uses the passes to travel to his host destination so as to avoid having to live in the state hes based out of (as a pilot). I've looked at it as a simple trade. I look like a good boy and get free stuffing. Whats not to love? My father's words. "If someone pays a few thousand dollars for a ticket (hes elderly) and you look over and see someone dressed like a "bum", you may feel cheated by the airline as a paying passenger. You also have to deal with ticket agents who (i agree) are poorly paid and badgered by unruly passengers all day. They may not always be on your side.

[@michellebellinger6008]

As a woman who has traveled at full paid as well as on standby pass. I absolutely followed the clothing restriction stated on the discounted flight. For me it is a form or respect to a company who I'd allowing you to use their flight pass opportunity. As far as flying full price I travel comfortably and respectfully as I often think of the original dress codes for flights in the 60s giving the option of suit and tie or cocktail dress. based on some of the cringe worthy outfits I have seen...I'd love to go back to suits and cocktail dresses. you classy 60s!!

[@801Dad]

Michelle Bartlett Seriously, someone did you a favor by giving you a rider pass. How hard is it to follow a dress code? If the inconvenience outweighs the discount, don't use it.

[@seigeengine]

Reminds me of an argument I had the other day where someone tried to claim they were a good person for following through with their contractual obligations.

[@CrisLoco101]

As I am worried about the potential end of internet privacy, I believe is something that all Americans, regardless of their political stance, should stand up against this. Yes, I understand that some of our personal information (internet search, shopping history) are tracked in a way, but with this action, we potentially lose our choice of privacy and personal datas are sold left and right to advertisers, including bank account informations which can fall into the wrong hands

[@cherriegetison6093]

Wells Fargo was recently caught (and very lightly punished for) secretly opening accounts for their customers without their consent, raking in more money from them. The last thing anyone should want is their info bought and sold left and right. It will be exploited.

[@joshurlay]

#KeepMyPornHidden

[@annonone93]

You guys should check out the book Feed. It's pretty much this scenario. Also, all of our data is already being sold. It's more a matter of you can keep up with all the security updates to opt out.

[@CrisLoco101]

Cherrie Getison I agree completely. I feel this was a deliberate attack on our right to privacy just for their own personal gains and some people might not realize it. This is something we can't turn a blind eye.

[@DatGrunt]

Fuck wells fargo. I ditched those pricks for USAA. Much better.

[@josephmendoza5660]

I am a pass traveler on United and this is actually kind of common. It its not just applied to traditional women clothing but I have had to change from shorts into jeans before boarding a flight and I know I have seen others have to put on more then a T Shirt before. The person you get these buddy passes from should have explained the rules more clearly as my family member always does with me.

[@Dosbomber]

So when guys have to change clothes to suit United's standards, they just change clothes, but when women have to change, it's immediately shot to social media and outrage ensues?

[@Jenkkimie]

Interesting. We don't have that anywhere near as strict here in Finland, but it is interesting to learn that it is quite common over there. I can imagine why and why not.

[@josephmendoza5660]

Jenkkimie I think because we as pass riders are somewhat representative of the company. We are generally suppose to be polite. I think the reason behind this is if some paying passenger find out some person that is stand by making that passenger have a worse experience its like an employee is doing it.

[@jillybear3241]

My mother is a former United employee, at one point I was getting on a plane from Salt Lake to L.A, and I was wearing very short shorts. The gate agent told me that I needed to put pants on before I got on that plane, due to them being way too short. On one hand, I understand this and was not upset when it happened. But in general, I don't really like the dress code thing for public things such as school or even airports. But the "dress coding" thing does happen often, and this is just the first time someone tweeted about it.

[@KevinAround]

My wife talks about nutrition on KZbin and sometimes brings up eating disorders -- NOT encouraging them -- and her videos were demonetized. Seems really odd.

[@scitechian]

Advertisers are finicky sons-a-bitches. They don't want to support people even TALKING about certain topics, regardless of the actual message regarding those topics, because even bringing up certain topics will make the viewer react in a certain way, and usually with a negative impact on whether or not they will buy something (e.g. transgender issues, abortions, Obamacare).

[@spensinthevalley3099]

extremist cry babies who want to make the Internet a safe space, and continue their downward spiral rather being up for discussion and hearing different ideas. I'm offended by this shift for youtube

[@MLSoll]

I never know what happens in the world until Philip DeFranco uploads a video

[@ROOKTABULA]

That's kinda sad in a lot of ways, no matter how insightful Phil is.

[@tman78au]

Sargon and Styxhexenhammer666 predicted this ages ago when PewDiePie was attacked.

[@Winning781]

I know what happens in the real world. But i like watching phils videos about youtube politics/policies/etc.... It seems youtube acts first then lets creators know what is happening. They need to have way better communication with the youtube content 1creators.

[@TGTK-FreeSpeech-]

Agreed, I would also highly recommend Styxhexenhammer666. He gives groundbreaking commentary and accurately predicted the election too.

[@GaryHighFruit]

I heard about this 2 days ago, and stuck it in my description of my new vid about YT's "non-ad friendly" crackdown. U best be subbin'

[@diversemediaproducti]

Concerning the united situation: I work for an airline company that has the exact same policy saying that we require standby guest to travel with buisness casual clothing and as a gate agent too we can sometime allow free pass on times to time with a friend,y reminder. It is an empowerement we have in our company, I don't knnow if united does the same, but we also can be very stric depending on how the conversation go. Plus in my opinion a standby passenger that is giving a very exceptional free ticket or low fare should be much more aware, careful, respecteful of his beahing and clothing. Again, they are not paying for thier tickets, baggages or else. ( they probably just pay for airports taxes) In my opinion it was within the rights of the gate agent to do what she/he had to, for the what is next I can't tell if it was the best choice since I wasn't part of their conversation

[@diversemediaproducti]

Also I belive it should not concern/alarm other media or regular passenger since it is only a situation employee/familly/designated friend from airline company that are targeted and it is a duty for the employee to remind them of those rules. At first a standby is not even consider as a passenger or a customer.

[@dennisgatere7821]

David and if they don't like the rules they can pay full price and keep their leggings 😁

[@cliffsidekiller]

I think its fine that they determine what outfit they will tolerate for cases like this. Heck, if an airline told me "We will give you extreme discounts or even free tickets, but you must wear what we want you to wear", I'd wear a dress if they asked me to, and I'm a guy.

[@troyguffey]

I've been using Tor for almost all of my browser traffic for a long time. I use the FoxyProxy add-on extension to chose how to route it. A big PROBLEM with Tor is that some sites are Tor-HOSTILE! They either just refuse to return anything, tell you to stop using Tor, or send you a CAPTCHA. I run into a LOT of CloudFlare CAPTCHAs. The fscking thing DOESN'T WORK half the time! (You solve it, and just get another one) So you have to use a direct connection to that site.

[@rossbentley3000]

If you're getting a free flight, and the company believes that you are representing them, then I think it's perfectly acceptable for them to expect you to dress according to their regulations. Thinking about how companies want to present themselves, that's probably going to be at a smart-casual level, a level which leggings definitely don't fit into, no matter what age you are. I also agree with Phil, the gate-attendant must have had an altercation with the girls before hand cause it seems pretty harsh to enforce it considering how ambiguous the actual description of expected appearance by the airline is. Interesting topic though

[@WeaponizedKarma]

Ross Bentley as common as leggings are these days, I'm not surprised that someone assumed they were acceptable. Celebrities wear them on daytime talk shows. I agree United is within their rights. I just think they need to be more clear on their specific standards.

[@rossbentley3000]

Yeah I totally get that take on things. United definitely shouldn't be as ambiguous as they are with there guidelines. Agreed.

[@rossbentley3000]

*their

[@OrtizBelcher]

Hey Phil! I am a flight attendant and have used my benefits to fly consistently. I have to say this story shouldn't have blown up. I have tried flying for free in a muscle shirt because I wasn't paying attention. I was not allowed go board until I put my sweatshirt on. But I found it totally understandable as it is part of the semi-professional dress code that needs to be followed. I think it was because they were females and little girls that it blew up in the way it did. The person tweeting what happened saw and opportunity and took advantage of it. Thanks for reading!

[@the_hedgie_reads]

To comment on the spandex leggings issue: If the ticket was free or heavily discounted because someone agreed to the terms and conditions that ticket came with, then they either do what the airline says or do not fly. It is not "body shaming" or "sexist." This is not a case of wearing a religious symbol (such as a female official being forced to wear a hijab for a meeting (throwback)), it is representing a company based on the fact that the person has agreed to the terms accompanying the free ticket. If they do not want to do that, then they can fly on another airline or not fly at all. There are authoritative figures in life and it does not matter what gender or color they are or you are, if you have agreed to put yourself underneath their authority (such as a higher up in a company) then you quit or you obey.

[@Acerbium]

Well put. Authority figures aren't inherently negative, and their rules (like in this situation) can often be something you willingly subject yourself to. If you disagree with a a rule or parameter they set out, you have the two choices you listed. Whining and complaining isn't one of them.

[@tristanneal9552]

LA FLAME They are representing the company by taking advantage of employee benefits, and leggings are not pants, they're leggings. the distinction is made for a reason. You don't see a woman stroll into a business meeting in leggings (just like you don't see a man do the same in jeans).

[@freeski08]

LA FLAME they literally are. You accept the free ticket, you accept the terms that come with said free ticket.

[@A.Froster]

Sarah S thank you for using logic. Too many people make so dumb argument...as the guy above apparently...

[@tbsfreak]

I've never been interested in your channel until I watched one of your videos where you touched on the PewDiePie drama. I love how you're honest without being crass, and how you put forth your opinions in a mature manner, something that I find the YT community sorely lacks. Also because you're (obviously) one of the good guys. Keep fighting the good fight, Philip.

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

GoogleTube needs to grow a pair and call these advertisers' bluff. Tell them they don't get to dictate content. Where the hell else are they going to go?

[@girlslaughingjp]

DowskiVision MagicalOracle back to mainstream media. It's disgusting.

[@VideoJames1019]

DowskiVision MagicalOracle I wish there was a way advertisements could work on KZbin the way they do on TV, where advertisers pick channels.

[@cherriegetison6093]

Google is in line with these advertisers. They don't like content that threatens the billionaire lifestyle, so they punish people who have more thoughts to give than simple airy fluff.

[@turosechil8798]

Who would be watching their advertising if they did though, i dont know many people who still watch tv much less the ad's. Its not like KZbin is the only party to benefit from their partnership.

[@chere100]

Exactly. Mainstream media is dying. We're the future (and already kind of the present). Morons.

[@LostInSteve]

It's worse than that time my mom age restricted my computer, and I couldn't watch porn for a month

[@Castillos147]

LostInSteve I'll pray for you

[@oks4539]

www.wikihow.com/Bypass-Parental-Controls-on-a-Mac

[@ErdnußRiegel6969]

LostInSteve proxy?

[@LostInSteve]

Don't be sad guys, the month after I doubled my daily amount of porn to catch up with all the time I lost. This story has an happy ending, if you know what I mean.

[@Dahnnym]

you brave soul.

[@VanessaBlanco]

LONG LIVE THE PHILLY D SHOW! 🙌🏽

[@alibabafurball]

youtube has the worst marketing team and uses the worst and laziest strategies. I have 2 examples. I am an English person that lives in bilingual Canada. I looked at videos in german and the next thing I know ALL of the ads I get are in French. All of my settings are for English. Even reseting everything there is nothing but French language ads. I contacted some of the advertizers and told them I would like to know about their product and explained the youtube ads. Another poor marketing ad was the Dr. Pepper ad that tried to get me to fill out a questionare on childish questions to watch an ad. 10 mins of questions for a 3 min video...nope not doing it. I phoned the company and said if this is their marketing now, I will not buy the product. I also explained I was a life long consumer and at one point in time could only get Dr. pepper at burger king in Canada in the 80's. I still do not buy Dr. Pepper.

[@luckysoda2]

All these advertisers pulling from youtube and I only ever got the same five ads.

[@WaldoBC]

United Airlines dress code is equivalent to being asked to talk off your shoes in someone's house. There is nothing wrong with it.

[@801Dad]

WaldoBC Especially when you are flying for free or a huge discount. Not to mention you represent the person who gave you the rider pass. you don't want to give someone a bad name who did you a favor.

[@mykie]

But do you honestly think someone is going to leave their flight saying "Wow, I can't believe that 10 year old who was flying for free was wearing leggings. United is so unprofessional."? The nuance of the situation matters here.

[@MultiKool13]

WaldoBC I think there would be something wrong with it if they were customers, but since they are pass riders and are representing their company I don't think there's anything wrong with it

[@mewni2956]

Glam&Gore Yes.

[@cjkavy2299]

Glam&Gore There shouldn't be exceptions, then people saying, they can wear this, why can't I?

[@ApertureWarrior]

the way the internet is going with privacy and censorship kinda feels the same as suggesting that we should have men in suits stood at each window staring into your house writing down what you do and telling you what you "cant" say

[@awakenow7147]

You mean like our Xbox Ones and PS4s supposedly do?

[@CYBOPOD88]

I don't see ads on any videos.. and I don't have adblocker.. no ads on this video Do you see ads on your desktop or pad?

[@bcadventure2015]

I worked in the airline industry for just under a year and this is common practice North America wide. It's not that the air lines are 'policing' what women are wearing, it's that they care about the image of its employees and extended family (ie friends of airline employees). The same would apply to men - I would not be allowed to board a flight on a pass wearing shorts and a wife beater. Rules are rules and have been that way since the program started. This just seems like someone who had nothing to do with the situation got involved with something she didn't fully understand. Did she pay for the tickets? Does it affect her life or travel plans in some way? The 3 travellers knew the rules before hand. This is a company benefit that can save families thousands of dollars making a vacation somewhat affordable. People who aren't directly involved should stay out of it, in my own opinion.

[@801Dad]

Blue Street the problem is people read headlines and not articles. I first saw the headline and thought it didn't sound fair. Once I read the article and got all of the information, it made perfect sense why they weren't allowed on board.

[@FancyCub]

Time to start browsing things I don't actively care about. DECOYS, guys. DECOYS.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

Fancy Cub but what if you start to enjoy those things you browse, then the decoys will become invalid.. And the advertisers will still win.. So then we'll have to start browsing more things we don't care about.. But what of we start liking them too??? Oh God nnooooooo!

[@adamadamlewislewis18]

Fancy Cub You are a genius my friend. :)

[@controllerfreak78]

I once looked up "soma", which is a drug in the book Brave New World, and for the next two weeks I kept getting ads for the women's underwear brand "soma". I'm a grown man who has no interest in cross-dressing, so in my experience this might work.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

Go away Google lol, I had a similar experience looking up BNW Soma, but I was greeted with pharmaceutical ads for Soma in the real world (carispradol). We need BNW Soma, it would be Double Plus Good. (yeah, I know, I mixed books, but it sort of works since they were written by mentor and pupil)

[@strifeplayz6459]

Even my gaming video with less than 50 views got demonetized

[@Daughter_ofStars]

That sucks, man. :c I'm sorry to hear that.

[@kayaeki]

Strife Playz lmao, same xD

[@Razbeariez]

Wow, whatever system they've implemented is ruthless.

[@sherbthesuperb3905]

sneaky self promo

[@supervillain3213]

inb4 100k views

[@Kairex]

I'm an insanely small channel and I've even been affected by all the brands pulling away from advertising on YT. This is insane

[@devilsephiroth9000]

for the past few years since I disconnected from television, the only news I get from the world is Reddit and the Philip DeFranco show. period. KZbin if you're paying attention, that's something to think about.

[@audieliem4843]

If a theater owner said to me, he have free or absurdly discounted tickets to a movie, but I have to wear formal clothing - because he has to impress a potential business partner/latent customer/relatives etc, and I'm going as his accompany, I guess it would be normal if he deny me my movie when I show up in T-shirt and shorts But It's a different situation if i bought the ticket like any other normal customer, they should let me wear what I want to wear, except when what I wanted is out of the norm

[@fufufu7034]

"Gotta get rid of the humans and we'll start with the escalators" - Skynet XXXXAD

[@adlan_kacak]

Fufufu seems legit 😂

[@SwedishTards]

This channel is the closest you get to neutral news coverage

[@CasacaraDFP]

Oajtteffe YES!

[@ashleyklug4538]

Oajtteffe exactly! if they don't want to endorse phil then who can they endorse? it's because the system is automated and it's not a real person making the decisions to begin with.

[@JustLouIt]

I work at Southwest Airlines and our free tickets are called buddy passes. They also have strict rules for dress and behavior. If you give one to a friend and they act a fool or screw around then you, the employee, face the repercussions. I've seen a coworker lose their free flight benefits because someone they gave a buddy pass to did something. Just follow the rules and say thanks for the free ticket.

[@liftoff2]

Right, I work under American's travel benefits and I feel like what no one is talking about is the employee that just had all their flight benefits pulled because the people they gave their passes to just created a PR nightmare because they couldn't be bothered to follow rules that were written down in the travel benefits guide.

[@aproxamillionwasps474]

JustLouIt but did they know? That's my question is that did those girls knowingly break the rules?

[@manbehindthewires]

It's pretty well understood. All staff have it hammered into them that their guests are their responsibility and guests get the same information when they get their travel itinerary.

[@chinenyenwamuoneke]

the leggings rule is a bit stupid but you're right, its not going to kill you to follow the rules

[@atmkuchta8274]

Yeah this story makes much more sense now. I used this one time with my buddy's and he literally kept making sure I'd wear a suit that day because I'm basically representing him. You're representing the company as well he said to me. It's not the best rule, but it makes complete sense to me. Representation.

[@pattu37]

I used to work for American Airlines. From day one, all employees are aware of the dress code, which aplies not only in flights but also in any company installations. This is one of the first things they tell you. You can fly practically for free, but you must comply with their policies. You are the face of the company, and if the company doesn't like leggings, they will tell you.

[@jayjayx5x1]

People want to live in a. Democracy yet don't want to be offended by someone voicing their opinion and perspective 😂😂😂😂

[@NZAnimeManga]

Yano... all we gotta do is ONLY watch blacklisted channels, like Phil's if his get fully-demonetised. KZbin WILL follow the money if people like Phil and PewDiePie get millions of views and they get NOTHING.

[@SynnWolf]

Indeed, that is how the market works. They are hearing from the loudest side right now, once they start the demonetization train they will likely find their profits drooping. Though hard to say if that will actually change the decision given that this is Google owned and they make buckets of money anyway, not sure how much their revenue stream will really be hurt.

[@SandyTheTryhard]

lol they gonna start trying some shady shit to shut those channels down

[@chickensseeall]

NZAnimeManga it's not KZbin's choice if the advertisers are boycotting their company. what ads will they even be able to show? the money comes from the advertisers not KZbin

[@SynnWolf]

chickensseeall No, but if they see it hurting their revenue they will have cause to push back or find a new way to fund those creators / themselves from those creators.

[@StAlchemyst]

OH how far the Phil DeFranco has fallen. Completely LA-ified, homogenized, and "SANITIZED FOR YOUR ADVERTIZING NEEDS." Phil soft as baby shit now...

[@geekyboytop]

Remember Snowden, he does not sound so crazy now!

[@DennyVlogs]

Alex Top neither does Alex Jones after the Vault 7 leaks strangely enough

[@JWPSmith21]

Alex Top I never heard people call him crazy. some stated he was a traitor, but that was bullshit too. A traitor​ to whom? The people who you voted for stabbing you in the back? So, somehow the people who expose traitors and corruption are traitors for doing so. Because that definitely makes sense.

[@Diamond_Eyes86]

No Alex Jones is still a fucking moron

[@nicklewis470]

Alex Top i remember only hearing about him and thinking he was just some bad guy..... buuuuut he might of had a point

[@Jibb_Buttkiss]

Yeezus he did not do this. this is a lie.

[@tilerh17]

I have to wear the same clothes to work every single day. Well, effectively the same, not literally the same. And that's because I'm representing the company I work for. If I greet my customers with athletic shorts and a tank top, I'm gonna make myself and the company look stupid. If you represent someone or something, you have to dress and behave as they would. That's what representation is

[@buckrogers5331]

What KZbin fail to realise is that their channel is also an eyeballs game. Do I come here looking for a certain "rated" content? No. I come here to see what is newsy and hear what posters have to say. And not surprising, any ad that pops up does get my attention. And my interests range from particle physics to cookery to movie reviews. My question is, why is KZbin listening to advertisers demanding stuff that's more attuned to the old media way of doing things. KZbin is one window to many things. It's like putting an ad along a popular walkway versus one in the supermarket. You do both and I'll catch the one along the popular walkway most likely.

[@CarlaWTF]

The second story kind of ties with the first. They don't want their company badly represented just like how the advertisers don't want their ads on things they deem inappropriate. Anything can ruin the reputation, even leggings if it rubs a certain type of person the wrong way.

[@madssaucexx5250]

CarlaWTF I completely understand the need from a dresscode, although I personally find it kind of ridiculous that leggings are part of that code.

[@jacobveryberry]

_ SassySoucyxx _ I went to a private school with a uniform and girls couldn't wear leggings; I still don't know shit about women's attire "scale"

[@stephaniecaza9636]

I have a friend who works for an airline and when he uses his privilege of flying free, he and anyone who flies with him has to be in business attire. And business attire, unless your a yoga teacher, doesn't involve yoga pants/leggings. The employees all know this so it shouldn't be a surprise to them! So, I do agree you can dress however you want to, but if you want certain privileges you'll have to comply with the rules! Or pay for your ticket🤷🏼‍♀️

[@stephaniecaza9636]

Oh i get that! It should be the exact same rules for everyone not just pick and choose who to apply it too!

[@stephaniecaza9636]

A Rando 😂

[@luisroman2144]

The Game Dyke technically they r not forcing it they just don't want to have there adds pop up on controversial videos so they pull their adds away it's up to them where they want to show their adds and where they do not

[@blakeisdope]

If you've ever flown standby you would know this is a very standard rule to follow. I'm surprised whichever employee gave them the tickets failed to inform them of the dress code. If you think it is so ridiculous then buy your ticket, it is really that simple

[@ruuman]

blakeisdope spot on!

[@onetoholddaline5089]

Same here, come from a family of airline employees and it is already second nature. Dress appropriate such as business casual while flying standby. Especially if you want to get that extra first class seat that is open lol.

[@earthtoryley]

I completely agree. But the man traveling with them was wearing shorts and was allowed on. I didn't think that was allowed either.

[@blakeisdope]

@Brick Tamland lol ya okay thats exactly what I said, you complete moron

[@BlueET3RNAL]

To anyone concerned about internet privacy and wanting to get a VPN, I highly recommend using Opera. It's a browser that looks a lot like Google Chrome (but it isn't, obviously), it has a free built-in VPN you can enable and I would recommend getting the HTTPS everywhere extension as well.

[@timothybeason9412]

Is this a way for big corporations to silence or restrict the ease of which we get news or different perspectives on issues.

[@DogFiles]

Timothy Beason BINGO!

[@NomastiAfricanWarlord]

Why would big corporations care?

[@midwestmage7173]

because they are getting their asses kicked by youtubers

[@ecap6776]

Skyrim Guard they don't like something.. they pull advertising on it, how is that not obvious..?

[@bradleyschey]

I'm not betting on a future with KZbin. They don't know how to deal with advertisers, they don't know how to deal with creators, and they clearly don't understand the content consumers. It only takes another competing company to jump on these faults and introduce a competing platform to KZbin. Amazon has long been rumored to do it, Facebook is even exploring the possibilities. Both have the financial means to do it. With those two and others entering into the space that KZbin pretty much pioneered, KZbin will face a whole new load of challenges and problems on top the ones they already have and seem to be making worse.

[@bradleyschey]

KZbin has lasted over ten years because of no real competition, and remember, Google did not own KZbin for a portion of that time. KZbin really thrived after Google bought it, but before Google also started to micromanage it. There has been many small competitors to KZbin in the past long ago, but after Google acquired KZbin, they had huge resources at it's disposal to foster it's growth for a long time. Something that it's competitors in the past did not have. Things are quite different now. Amazon, Facebook, even Apple are some of the big names that have explored the possibilities of creating a competing platform, and much like Google, they both have the resources to make it happen, and even very possibly make it a success, especially with KZbin's current downfalls. KZbin not understanding how to fix these problems, and making them worse for the advertisers, creators, and content consumers is becoming a rather large issue, an issue that could be very bad for KZbin if it is not resolved. It has nothing to do with them lasting over a decade, but more like what may hinder them from lasting two decades.

[@bradleyschey]

Facebook only censors conservatives and libertarians, then pushes fake news stories about democrats. They wish they had censorship algorithms like Google.

[@haileyt2777]

As family member of an airline employee: These benefits are a privilege, not a right. The girls didn't follow the policy, and thus had to change. This woman stuck her nose into someone else's business and created a story where there was none.

[@runawaypacman]

Agreed

[@CaptJackPal]

Hailey Teel agreed! I have a friend who works as a flight attendant. And I have used the pass. The girls in this story actions could potentially jeopardize the person who works for the company. Very embarrassing. I'm glad the company is standing by there policy.

[@fryedegg]

Hailey Teel the only way the girls would not be at fault is if the employee who gave them the buddy pass did not explain the dress code properly. I have flown on 3 different airlines buddy passes ( I have a lot of pilot buddies) and every single time they always reminded me to dress business casual or I would not be let on. It's serious business. If they had that knowledge then they are just stupid but giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[@robhimself79]

Hailey Teel and Shannon watts is the one who complained first. she is the biggest busy body on Twitter and no one should give a shit what she has to say.

[@chloewhite9837]

This makes me pissed as well. My mom was a flight attendant and both my sister and I knew about the dress code if we were flying standby. This woman, without any facts or prior knowledge, just judged the situation and had to start drama. When. Will. It. Stop.

[@jacobpreston7171]

This is why I'm having loads of trivago ads 😭😭😭

[@grimmhalifax6040]

So Phil when are you moving to Netflix and becoming their first dedicated daily news show? :)

[@Blueissuperior]

Jason Laffin that would be awesome haha

[@IamMissPronounced]

Jason Laffin Lord please let this happen. I need this in my life

[@mikewest712]

Jason Laffin i doubt netflix would endorse someone who covers you tube news.

[@collinsmugodo380]

Mike West why would they ever have a problem with that?

[@edkroketje1]

I fully agree that when you travel for free or with the discount thanks to United that you are somewhat representing them, and that by doing so you will follow their rules. Although you can argue whether leggings are good enough or not, I do need to say that I think it is rediculous to consider it slut shaming, since it falls under the same guideline as ripped jeans. It is just like when I worked at McDonalds, if someone had piercings or big tattoos they needed to cover them with long sleeves or a band Aid, not to shame them or because it is wrong to have but it does send a certain message by showing it that you might not want. Same here, you want them to behave and look properly, not to shame them but just because you want represent yourself the best you can. As for the kid, Then you get in a grey area where you would draw the line. If the adults need to cover the leggings more not because of slut shaming but because of a certain representation, then why not the child?

[@edkroketje1]

maybe a unpopulair opinion but I do think people have making a to big of a deal out of this.

[@forgottenroar_]

But you have to remember that it's not like you are being paid to fly a plane. You are paying for a service. Would you have rejected serving someone when you worked at McDonalds just because they looked a certain way? No. As long as they have clothes on, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have mattered. You would've served them because they are paying for a service. This is the same case. It's not like those lil kids WORKED for United, you know? Also, this is kinda slut shaming, because the kiddos are being sexualized simply because what, they're wearing leggings? It is definitely something to make a ruckus about because it's telling women that they can't wear comfortable and harmless clothing on a plane.

[@jaredpoon5869]

I would definitely agree with this. I think people have to separate this situation into two different categories. First is the fact that as benefactors of employees, they are representing the company and that company's values (hopefully those values are consistent). So if in their rules they want their representatives to dress a certain way, then you dress a certain way. Let's put it this way, on school trips, when you go to certain countries, you sometimes have to wear different clothing or act differently out of respect to their culture (or the fact that you could get seriously harmed otherwise). Like in certain countries where women have to wear longer clothing than they otherwise might. And the thing is, leggings have been fairly controversial in that some view them as suitable substitutes for pants, and some view them as closer to underwear. (I'm pretty sure that the precursor to leggings are long johns, which are essentially long underwear)

[@dragonmaster10712]

United has partnerships worldwide. If the flight was to Afghanistan, the adherence to the dress code could have saved their lives, as well as protect the company politically. By having the rules apply equally, it protects women traveling worldwide because it gives United a foot to stand on in regards to enforcement of the rules.

[@forgottenroar_]

dragonmaster10712 Okay but were they flying to Afghanistan?

[@daydreamer9080]

My mother is a flight attendant and I have gotten free travel benefits since I was little. I have also always had to follow the dress code so this situation didn't happen. The dress code on the employees is basically set up for the paying customers. The customers pay for their right to wear anything they want on that plane while the employees are just happy to get on for free or a reduced price. I don't think there's anything wrong with a dress code but I do think that complaining about a little girls outfit is ridiculous.

[@emmabrown2140]

The leggings story reminds me of the dress code fight in many public schools nowadays. A common argument is that those attracted to women aren't necessarily always affected by outfits, and the schools are sexualizing 15 year olds. As a high school student in a public school, I can say many of the boys in my school are affected. I can also say they don't make it obvious and those who are distracted from the teachers would be distracted by something else if they weren't distracted by what a classmate is wearing.

[@bbtdltd8081]

I see it as the beginning of the end, KZbin will just become a online cable network

[@DennyVlogs]

Brett Bensemann opportunity for competition to take over

[@sebman8178]

I'm actually really worried about internet data privacy. What would stop internet providers from using people's internet data as blackmail or even espionage?

[@marzipanmango]

Sebastiano Mangiamele I'm not that worried about the internet providers themselves (though it's still a breach of privacy I don't welcome), I'm worried more about everyone's important information like bank info being stored in a centralized place that hackers WILL hack eventually. They do it all the time for way less potential profit D:

[@matts6139]

Sebastiano Mangiamele The Internet providers make a lot more money than they would blackmailing you. Don't worry there.

[@sebman8178]

I don't mean blackmailing me. I'm not that important. I mean people who have sway over the public or some other form of power.

[@SatiricalFey]

As someone who tends to call themselves a Liberal, the restrictions KZbin keep adding are equal parts terrifying and unfair. As usual, youtube guidelines are restrictions are both horrifically vague, and will close conversation down, and while, I get why they took action, I think this type of action is not 'growing up', it's helping to divide and keep views from being shared more freely.

[@IamSevuras]

Division is exactly what they want. The more time we spend fighting among ourselves, the less time we have to realize how many ways we are being taken advantage of.

[@lukenotskywalker2957]

They've killed the organic element of the website... Its lost its value instantly.. Time for someone else to get a really big video company I think ;)

[@lukenotskywalker2957]

+joemagician Disagree. This is a blacklist slide.. Its a abuse of this websites core value... New content is going to drop off.. This is a attack from corps on the new media.. We the audience should leave and help grow a new site which will honour this.

[@SatiricalFey]

I understand the need to protect one's business and the need to make money. It can be incredibly difficult for many creators to find a reliable alternative, though, especially smaller creators. But advertisers pulling out isn't the issue. It's the vague limitations that youtube sets. Lets not forget about KZbin's long history of iffy reliability in legitimate demonization. You want to lay down rules fine, but don't leave your creators with question marks of what's safe and not, don't leave it open to where only one kind of voice can be heard and all opposing shut out. That's not just bad on a personal stand point, that's bad business.

[@lukenotskywalker2957]

+FaithTheFlameQueen They wouldn't need to shutdown here.. Its possible to transition to another platform to help it grow its audience though.. KZbinrs need to understand THEY have the power here. If Google won't fight for its creators and their massive amount of active viewers it will lose them and money regardless of the corps they are bending over to. Another company could very easily be started and grow very quickly in the wake of this.. And in Trumps America its even more likely XD these corps have lost their monopoly.. Its down to us to take advantage of this new environment for business and growth.

[@valentinli332]

Just a thought: Could there be any relationship between ISP selling our info to advertisers without our consent, and the fact they are now pulling out of KZbin enmasse?

[@1jforreal]

part of the blame falls on us as people who allowed these internet companies to monopolize the market , we tend to get distracted by personal issues and we don't pay attention to these things when they are actually the most important things to pay attention to , we need to always be alert for these kind of behaviors either from internet companies or banks or anything else , if we keep ignoring important changes like this , we'll be on our way towards an even more corrupt country.

[@DennyVlogs]

Othman Najim well who should be monetizing them then?