YouTube Is Destroying Its Creators

[@rotary65]

I am a white, 60 year old heterosexual male. I watch and value your videos for your perspective. You help me understand. I really appreciate you sharing your experiences of discrimination. I hope you and others who have been similarly discriminated by this platform are able to get satisfaction and damages through the courts.

[@matthewpaul6904]

Videos like this are important because they are enlightening. I'm like you, I wish to educate myself about things I am blind to.

[@AB-qt6uw]

Thank you so much for educating yourself! We need more people willing to expand their perspectives

[@studiostyx7075]

Wish more were like you, don't know you AT ALL but you & Co. seem cool AF if you're willing to grow with the times and educate yourselves; also not for nothing but you have great taste if you're here!

[@dallasshumaker6148]

40 year old and ditto this. Well said.

[@maxxjapan619]

It's a big reason why I like and respect Jessie and her work. The stuff she does on Star Trek is always my favorite, but I really like how she can go so in depth on all of this. The grifters and people shouting these bad faith arguments on KZbin are just some of the most vile people you can find on a platform like this, and I don't know how she can stomach sifting through all of this the purposes of editing.

[@EnordAreven]

Hopefully this makes up for some of the missed ad revenue, no one should get disrespected like this, especially if its just for something as simple and as wonderful as a couple being in love. ❤

[@dortemadsen2166]

Even my 14 year old has experienced the biases albeit on TikTok. She likes to make edits of the show Shameless and notices some pretty odd decisions when it comes to which ones are restricted. When she makes edits of the gay couples her videos are more likely to be restricted. It's so wrong and sends horrible messages to the teens

[@ATTACKofthe6STRINGS]

Wow, it makes me feel gross that these systems are so obviously bad that teens and kids can pick up on it. Not that kids are any less intelligent, but, still. Kids shouldn’t have to go through this. I wish the best for you and your kid, and I hope they keep creating and can find a future in doing something they love, no matter the challenges they face.

[@cutiepeel]

it's CRAZY that youtube still hasn't changed their copyright policies. I've been on this hellsite for a while and we've been talking about false copyright strikes for literally at least 10 years

[@TeaIngyer]

It's because of the Viacom incident. They got sued, and now creators will get thrown under the bus, and crushed without mercy, so KZbin doesn't have to deal with that again. We need to be yelling at KZbin and the entire copyright system as a whole. Copyright needs to be rolled back to 4+4 years. 4 years, then a 4 year extension if you're still providing the work.

[@TommyAck102]

To paraphrase Hbomb "It turns out it's the same twist it always is, why did this stupid stuff happen? OH IT'S MONEY!!"

[@michimatsch5862]

"Wait, it's all capitalism bad?" "Always has been."

[@WhizPill]

Always money

[@mattwo7]

It's more than that, it's also that KZbin never has had and never will have any real competition. Google bled money for KZbin to exist until 2015 when they properly enabled mobile ads and broke even. There have been "alternatives" that pop up every now and then but they always die and or fail their users to some capacity and they're usually full of right-wing nutjobs.

[@psyvana]

I'm a queer lefty, I actively filter suggested right wing content as "I don't want to see this" and then the same channel still get suggested again and again. Recommendations have gone to crap this year. And now I have a new perspective on my continued attempts in trying to explain my neurodiversity to managers who refuse to listen. I keep burning out in various jobs. Time to move on again :(

[@vargprinsen]

10 hours late reply, but there's a big chance that interacting with the content in any way (including trying to filter it) still flags as interaction. I've been told by people who know more about youtubes innerworkings to basically never use their "I dont want to see this" option because youtube as a platform thrives on anger and discourse just as much as Twitter or any other social media. Best thing to do is ignore Right wing slop, and interact extra much with things you enjoy OR turning off history so that Google+KZbin stops tracking your interactions almost entirely. It sucks that it works this way, but since I stopped using their filter system and turned off all tracking settings my recommendations've gotten so much better. Good luck!! (Maybe try blocking the channels as they pop up if it's possible, I don't know if how it'd affect the algorithm though. )

[@notbot2648]

I have the same problem! No matter what I do the same channels keep popping up anyway. It's *infuriating*.

[@DeaDiabola]

Yeah, systems like these of course help embolden anyone in a position of power to openly discriminate.

[@nyanko8972]

Seriously. There’s honestly just so many channels trying to pull you into the right wing pipeline. I can’t “don’t recommend this to me” to all of them.

[@coolchameleon21]

same! i tried to block a channel a few days ago but i keep getting shown their videos

[@alexv3372]

At this rate they will loose their cash cows and will ask “What happened? Why did we fail?” And yet they will be too blind by their greed they won’t notice the problem until it’s too late

[@alexisthewunk]

It's almost exactly like that one meme of the guy slowly putting on clown makeup

[@TheRogueCommand]

I've been noticing a pattern of big companies adopting self-sabotaging business practices that suggest they're so determined to make more money, they ruin the things that actually would make them money.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Show how leaving everything to the free market said by conservative and libertarian is dumb like free speech absolutism is dumb

[@seradisc2]

I don't think people will leave. Twitter is a pretty good example of this, twitter usage has dropped but there are a lot who won't leave until the app is discontinued. As long as there isn't an alternative to youtube many will continue to use it. Especially since the only alternative is tiktok and they don't pay the vast majority of creators. A lot of people say they hate something but few actually lead by example. If a difference wants to be made then you need to coordinate a boycott that lasts all of december or november. These are youtube's most lucrative months.

[@LiraeloftheClayr]

They’re actively empowering their cash cows. Is why Logan Paul and Matt Walsh get away with everything.

[@fyberfox]

This video hit really close to home for me. I’m disabled and non-binary and I’ve been experiencing a lot of discrimination at work. And instead of listening to my concerns the issue has been turned on me because my reactions to my coworkers misgendering me and asking very invasive questions is ‘inappropriate’. A manager I really respected threw me under the bus. So I understand at least somewhat how you’re feeling and hearing your words made me feel seen. You’re one of my favorite creators and if you need to step away from KZbin I will always watch your content on Nebula if you continue to make it. You are worthy of respect and love. ❤️

[@SarastistheSerpent]

So sorry to hear that stuff is happening to you at work. That must be horrible to deal with

[@ghostnotes0]

Age-gate is so undeserved on that video. I loved that video, thank you for your work. KZbin had striked me several times, to the point I don’t even post here anymore. Commenting for the algoryhtm too, so you’re videos are spread more 🥰❤️

[@pkducklett944]

As a queer person on the adhd/autism spectrum, I completely understand the need to be understood and to try and prevent misunderstanding by bad faith actors who twist your words into something they're not saying. This video and it's prevailing anger is something I can empathize with. It's okay that you need to step away to take care of yourself, Jessie.

[@DracoGalboy]

Watched this already on nebula, and I have to say: no matter what form your work takes moving forward, I'll do my best to be there to partake in it. What you have been able to create has helped me immensely, and I'm very grateful for you.

[@CasualFox12495]

Same! ☝🏾☝🏾

[@Caterfree10]

+

[@SquidTips]

It’s been really disheartening to see how much your content is fucked with by false-flagging campaigns and strikes, and I’m glad to see you speaking so directly about it.

[@georgesears2916]

Love you squidy!

[@FaithFalkner]

Enshittification: the natural end point of popular platforms

[@lauraazure6462]

I love that word

[@eyezerocool]

@@lauraazure6462 its very craptastic isn’t it. I will go tell john craper. A real person that invented the toilet. To bad he has been compost by now. Lol.

[@eyezerocool]

Lol. Rumorsl has it he actual last name of the guy that invented the toilet was that. I just hope that doesn’t get enshitified at least.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

I honestly believe enshittification and dystopia are one and the same thing. It's the bacterial growth stage of an infection-caused disease.

[@eyezerocool]

@@VelaiciaCreator so true.

[@zoestephenson2048]

Being autistic and left-leaning I've found your caveats and contextualisation really useful as a way to rehearse the talking points that could come up, which in turn gives me more confidence to even mention these topics in conversation. I hope you find a way to keep channeling all that energy even if it's not on here.

[@Blondiej1]

49:34 I didn’t comment this on Dreaming of a Queer Internet because I was in awe at the time, but there were multiple times where I had to stop what I was doing, rewind and watch parts again because it was such a powerful video. I’m so mad on your behalf that this is happening and nothing is being done.

[@goshots8352]

Another messed up part of KZbin age restriction is that even when I’m signed into my account, I can only view 18+ videos while on WiFi. When my device is on mobile data I can no longer watch this video

[@neokonline_]

Giving 'the gay is ok as long as it is indoors' vibes

[@larissabrglum3856]

Interesting!

[@liliennerapoza9581]

Yeah honestly, spending my time on Nebula and Dropout has been so much better for my health. I'm just here to boost the algo for you on YT because they've made it gamified in that inauthentic way.

[@meganswaine4135]

SAME.

[@JeraWizard]

SAME, I'm on Nebula and Dropout first and foremost these days, I come here to hype my creators I love the most, and watch the folks who aren't on either of the former.

[@CraftyVegan]

Literally gamified… have you seen the games you can play with the video playing in the background? I think it’s only for KZbin premium, but I have a suspicion that it’ll roll out later just to farm more mindless engagement

[@algorithmic_morality]

also

[@s0ulcode]

Real. Only reason I use KZbin instead of nebula or dropout primarily is because of the algo and because KZbin loads faster. The minute those two allow mobile app users to lower video quality I’m streaming on the go too.

[@yepidoodles]

Finally commited and signed up to Nebula, how they've helped you and treated you so well is a better selling point than anything

[@matt0044]

I am grateful that you allow yourself to be emotional. Creators have to put on a face, a facade, of having it all together but you really let yourself be vulnerable. It feels like I’m not the only one. Thanks.

[@deaddomain]

Phenomenal job with this one. ❤

[@BennyJulius-mu7in]

Hey it's me!!! I heard your voice eeekk

[@kittymoo3297]

As an autistic person who has been struggling with severe burnout over the last couple of years, this line 'I'm tired of pretending that systems designed to exploit me will ever uplift me' just about had me in tears as I feel like that so often in my own life. Thank you for being open about your struggles.. As you mentioned here it can be hard to be seen or heard when you're autistic.. But in being open some of my own struggles seen and heard as you spoke of yours. Thank you for that.

[@JohnBainbridge0]

Take care of yourself, Jessie. Remember the wisdom of Vera: "You are beautiful, you are valid, and you are loved." ❤

[@megan_alnico]

Look I'm only 25 minutes into this but... KZbin cannot tell you what's going on because it could open them up to legal liability. If they admit they discriminated against you then you would have a case against them. I'm not speaking as a lawyer because I'm not a lawyer but I have worked in the corporate world long enough to know that the lack of transparent communication in many situations is a cover your butt maneuver. It doesn't matter if you do or don't actually have a case as long as the people working at that corporation believe you could try that information will be scarce.

[@StonerBaer]

Would there be any grounds to potentially open a lawsuit of discrimination, on any basis, for this? I ask because this is blatant discrimination and should be fought against in court, if able. @LegalEagle, help us, homie.

[@KissMyConverseFool]

that's for sure a chunk of it, but another huge chunk is that they ... don't want to admit they don't actually have a process. I will bet a 7 11 maple donut that what they actually do is sort of a step 1) Clumsy Automated scan step 2) heatmap by complaints, then maybe on appeal step 3) a harried manual checker in a call center type employment situation makes a fast call on the spot. Which is why the people who are mid sized, the sort of bottom of the tier of people that do youtube for a living, have the most content trouble Huge creators get extra care and small creators don't generate complaints, but people about jessie's size are basically the most subject to brigading.

[@lfrands]

@@StonerBaer beat me to it. Can we get legaleagle on this?

[@lilpetz500]

​@@StonerBaer honestly, if a discrimination lawsuit is opened, and I can support it, I would. It would be an amazing precedent if successful, it would be progress for our hurting, bleeding community. Legal scholars; is there a way we can at least exert some pressure on the fact that they are not clarifying the reasoning?

[@Itomon]

I hope Jesse and the community can find a way to report thisKZbin Behavior, be it as a lawsuit or some petition of any kind... I don't think YT itself has a tool for this kind of report, no

[@AndrewWasTakenAgain]

While I am currently broke, I am glad to say I watched numerous midrolls for you

[@luminyam6145]

I am so sick of KZbin promoting bullies and stomping on victims, they really suck.

[@Transformers-gb5jx]

Same

[@dieSpinnt]

If your comment is the only consequence you will take from your absolutely correct realization ... then good night![1] Otherwise: Make kaputt what kaputts you! [1] This even has some German-Political-Cabaret level of satire in it. Showing your helplessness in the town-hall of the "enslaver" himself. What a drama. What a tragic!

[@kozad86]

There's a lot of problematic creators on here. I get that humanity is a spectrum, but it doesn't mean that someone like The Quartering, who has created stochastic terrorism against popular creators such as Tolarian Community College amongst many others, should be appearing on the home page or at the top of the search results. I'm honestly shocked that he was not thrown off KZbin after he pulled that crap.

[@coolchameleon21]

yeah i’ve noticed this in comment sections. anytime i call out someone for bigotry or general BS my comment immediately gets deleted, meanwhile super mean and hateful comments are allowed to stay up and gather likes 🤔

[@shaunsmith9013]

One of the Bullies liked this comment. Why everyone here getting caught slippin. Tired of people acting like they aint part of it.

[@andrewcho7252]

As bad as this situation is, being struck for sexualizing Matt Walsh is probably the funniest thing I've heard this month.

[@Nathouuuutheone]

Petition to make any measure taken against a creator ('s visibility and income) legally require full and free (no lawyers required) access to the reasoning and decision process. Zero exception. Google should not be allowed on democratic soils without complying to the bare minimum of transparency in the things they do that impact our economy and livelihoods.

[@KissMyConverseFool]

problem with that is it cuts both ways, like I would have that flag on me for the amount of walsh and crowder stuff I've flagged (that's still up and clearly worse than anything in any of jessie's vids)

[@Tester-kq8zd]

what alternate universe are you living in

[@merbst]

Radical transparency was a core principle of the Wikimedia Foundation that maintains the Wikipedia infrastructure & community. It is contrary to the very ideology of for-profit corporations, which include the mythology of security through obscurity.

[@Tiny_and_Reese]

This is genuinely frustrating. KZbin's hands off approach to this platform is allowing the worst aspects of it to propagate. Commenting to feed the algorithm! Let's get you more views!

[@bethanyscarbrough3416]

They are very selectively hands on.

[@lorriechristian7164]

KZbin loves monetizing off of the people on it's platform, but it doesn't actually benefit those same people the way they benefit it.

[@zoe_bee]

This video is so important. Thank you for making it💜

[@jeremyusreevu237]

KZbin is honestly such a mess of a platform.

[@Transformers-gb5jx]

Yep

[@ryank002]

Boosting 🚀👨‍🚀

[@yungmuney5903]

Says the drinker fan

[@ryank002]

@@yungmuney5903 🫨🫨🫨

[@ryank002]

​@@yungmuney5903 who's the drinker fan?😲

[@Lawnie]

Steph Sterling of The Jimquisition got an age-gate slapped on a video last year because she used Michelangelo's "Creation of Adam" in a video. Except it wasn't because of that: it was because they gave a Zelda game a less than perfect rating while existing as trans-femme and KZbin used that moment of artistic nudity as an excuse to validate their decisions. And she had to push to get that pathetic explanation at all. It's infuriating that so many interesting, talented, entertaining and educational video creators are getting screwed over by a company so unwilling to take on even the slightest legal responsibility that they'll let out right fash monetise videos on this hellsite (derogatory) while toying with the livelihoods of marginalised people like spoiled toddlers. Jessie, you are one of the sweetest, kindest and most compassionate KZbinrs I know of, and you deserve so much better than this. Please take care of yourself.

[@Kamirose.]

Commenting for the algorithm. This really needs to spread and be seen.

[@jaqm7343]

Me too, me too!

[@Yk-qe8dz]

Agreed, here's mine!

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Take my comment too!

[@algorithmic_morality]

also

[@user-rq6tw4zp4w]

Me too.

[@SirPhysics]

The problem is that to KZbin, you are not an employee. You are not a partner. You are not even a "creator" despite their branding. To KZbin, you are and always will be a product. And the level of support and protection they throw your way will only ever match the value they think they can extract from your work.

[@HarveyMidnight]

Well, the response you finally got, speaks volumes "Your video was flagged by the community..." Yup. And I have a simple solution for that-- one that messageboards have used for years. When a user repeatedly "false flags" the content of other users, constantly reporting things as inappropriate, that *aren't* inappropriate--- they should lose the ability to flag content --- just quietly shadowban their 'report' button. Make the algorithm leave 'em on read. KZbin should recognize that someone who clearly has an unfair, hostile bias against certain content, should lose the privilege of policing content. And it seems like it would be really easy to automate any user's "flagging accuracy", by comparing their complaints, with how many of those complaints got overturned. Eventually, there will be fewer flagged videos, just in general--- and the flagging that does go on, would be more universal...and KZbin's mods could spend more time on individual cases.

[@mellowthm566]

I'd argue that they do this in reverse quietly suppressing flags of those large hate mongering channels so they're not banned by bots. They don't do this on channels like this because that might affect the right wing channels from brigading channels which generates revenue at the expense of the targeted creators. Channels like this don't quite create audiences that do that, queer, bipoc and other channels are profitable sites of conflict. Jessie is the disposable commodity to the algorithm.

[@ReillyReillyReilly]

This should apply to copyright claims too. There's currently no repercussions for making bad faith claims on content you know is fair use or doesn't belong to you. The system should flag copyright claims from accounts with a low success rate, send them for manual review, and keep the video up until a verdict is reached.

[@csrjjsmp]

this has been how the flagging system has worked for over ten years

[@Rolandais]

I love this idea, of course the problem with the idea is that the people who use the system for it, are people KZbin don't want to ban, they're people who provide youtube with more money, and in the end. YT is a corporation, who will ever only do what makes them the most money possible, and will not change how they do things, unless forced to by laws that actively hurt their profits.

[@AquaCrystalOrb]

@@Rolandais You aren't banning them. You are preventing them from reporting things.

[@erinladenheim8954]

Burn out and exploitation seems to be endemic to all parts of the current version of American capitalism. I’m in healthcare and that’s how it is there.

[@thesnesgeek]

That’s why europeans (like me) hate this form of captilism.

[@Joshuaraymalan]

As an actual parent, I'm much more comfortable with my kids seeing an extended kissing scene than seeing or hearing a damn word that Matt Walsh has to say. The cat foreplay during Elton John's song in The Lion King is more sexual than this.

[@studiostyx7075]

My parents, for all their faults, won with this attitude as well. Thanks for getting it, your kid(s) will too.

[@PitchRaven]

Sounds like your kids are ripe for grooming then.., acting nonchalant to making out, then nakedness, then....I hope you guide them a bit better (sexuality doesn't have to be hard in hand with gay ) Elton's song is a mute point.. don't think it was trying be *educational

[@Joshuaraymalan]

@@studiostyx7075 Thank you. I certainly hope so. Parenting can be overwhelming at the best of times, but I’d like to think I can spot a grifter. Usually the ones shouting “they’re coming for your kids” are the ones who are actually coming for your kids. Like, I know of church leaders who have actually shown gay kids hardcore pornography as part of conversion therapy. Those are the kinds of people I worry about (not necessarily church leaders, but people in power with way too much access to, and influence over, kids). Seeing two people in love is not going to damage them.

[@acai929]

I chuckled a bit at the description of KZbin policies of things “being (intentionally) sexually gratifying” (or something to that effect). I mean who knows what could be a turn-on for someone and does being super attractive to someone count as intentional? 🤔

[@TheRogueCommand]

Two consenting and joyful people kissing vs some scruffy weirdo who looks like he belongs on an FBI watch list complaining about wokeness. Easy choice 😂

[@hammerspaceworkshop4745]

The fact that KZbin doesn't like to tell creators what exactly the violation was or where it was in the video is so infuriating. 🤬

[@mffmoniz2948]

It just show that it's bullshit.

[@ZukiTanuki]

My opinion is that YT is inadvertently admitting that they have a prejudice in place that transgender people kissing is, in their warped ideology, a fetish. Classic fetishization of transgender people. They pretty much said that in that middle paragraph of the response. They made it clear that the null hypothesis they are working with was that what was there was inherently sexual content there.

[@csrjjsmp]

You are reaching here. The mention of fetishes was clearly part of a form response with zero connection with her actual video,likely picked out by keywords by someone who never watched it

[@butthebitebitbit]

@@csrjjsmp i think you might be reaching. these are super normal prejudices for people to have in modern society, so why should youtube be any different? does youtube have any prestige or respect as such? even when companies or institutions have said prestige, have they earned it? i don't really understand your point, is what i'm saying.

[@acai929]

@@butthebitebitbitI believe what they’re maybe trying to say is that the bit about the fetishes in the response was perhaps a part of a company pre approved response. Companies have some prewritten replies/parts of replies that the service reps are to copypaste to their replies so that the wording is exact (and lawyer approved) and considering how automated Google’s things tend to be I wouldn’t be surprised if the reply was Frankensteined together from prewritten snippets. So basically they could’ve just copypasted the bits regarding their policies on sexual content etc. without there being any specific intent on trying to say “trans=fetish” cause they’d have that part in there in every reply that’s responding to a situation where content was age gated cause of alleged sexual content and then reversed. Having worked as a service desk agent (though it’s been years since the last time) the trend back then seemed to be to have the reps type out manually as little as possible so it’s as quick as possible and that there’s no way a service rep gets the company in trouble due to poor choice of wording for example.

[@shenyanigans]

the kiss age gating your video has me fucked up. one of the biggest viral videos of ALL time on THIS platform was a bunch of strangers kissing for FOUR MINUTES STRAIGHT. back when react content was big, this video was huge! and some of those people were kissing with tongue for very long periods of time. so like. it's just straight up hypocrisy.

[@butthebitebitbit]

i actually forgot about this. i only remember seeing an h3h3 video about it wayyy back in the day though, not that it was an absolutely enormous viral video.

[@lukepearson5931]

It's sad seeing good creators struggle while hacks like the critical drinker thriving.

[@TheDerpyDeed]

the system has failed

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

For a bunch of people who said they don't want politic they sure love it when it conservative but pretend it about x they don't actually care about

[@thedemolitionmuniciple]

​​@@USSAnimeNCC- Nice word salad now what were you trying to say Speak slowly this time Edit: wow I put this incredibly rudely My apologies

[@Crueltycretin]

​​@@thedemolitionmuniciple I think our friend here was commenting on how conservabros only seem to think something is "too political" seemingly only ever when it's politics they disagree with, or minorities wanting equal rights

[@thedemolitionmuniciple]

​@@Crueltycretin that seems like a good read of the situation My brain just ain't right for doing that kind of problem solving

[@nitzeart]

The governments really needs to start making anti-discriminatory laws online AND a board/office that deals with such cases. Like the way it’s illegal to discriminate against someone in a restaurant due to age, sex, economic status, race, etc. I know it won’t fix things but big companies do care at least a little about their image and dollars that when something threatens that, they might actually abide by the rules. Also transparency laws for tech companies on data use and policies like these strikes claims. I’m so tired of the way corporations are making the internet worse and worse, more censorship, more bigotry, algorithms with huge biases in them, AI stealing personal information and copywriter work, etc, etc. I’m so sorry this happened but I’m glad you’re speaking on it.

[@junipermarsh6590]

Getting Trump ads on this video sure is a trip

[@sassylittleprophet]

At least the sponsors are wasting their money

[@HangryOnPaws]

At least you get to use your screen for spitball target practice.

[@OverdramaticAngel]

I literally screeched at it to get off my screen.

[@kozad86]

I have Premium, so I was spared.

[@pap83605]

May I recommend uBlock or if you have an Android device, revanced?

[@lospiloto6544]

I hope this situation will end! Trans rights are human rights!

[@cyrussoxlegion]

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[@hegyak]

Filing a False DMCA Report is a Felony. Almost no one faces Consequences for that, though. One person did. They hit Bungee (Who made the Video Game Destiny). And Bungee could Hit Back. HARD.

[@SAVarXX]

This is working as intended. Copyright, Trademark and Patents are tools for Capitalists to exploit the labor of their workers long after their retirement. It was never actually intended for the common rabble.

[@kozad86]

KZbin has a nasty history of allowing people to abuse the copyright system for years on end. Just look at what Lillee Jean Trueman and her mother did to Primink and many others on here - that's a WILD story. They'd use the system to remove videos they didn't like, and obtain the IRL contact info from creators to dox them with.

[@kwowka]

Hey Jessie, you’ll probably never see this comment, but your videos mean so much to me. I can’t afford nebula, and I only use watch later to watch KZbin (I need to plan and order videos otherwise I feel overwhelmed), and I’m sure someone else has mentioned the way that age gated videos just don’t work with watch later. But the videos I do watch are so profound. It makes me feel less like I’m endlessly consuming content, makes me think for days on end, makes me excited about art and media. You’re very cool

[@Truth-Voyager]

I had nearly the exact same thing happen to me when I was trying to sell my book merch on Etsy. While the book is queer normative in some ways and levels heavy criticism on capitalism and fundamentalist religion, the merch does not reflect that very explicitly. My shop was shut down without explanation while I was still setting it up. I wrote up an appeal expressing the reasons I thought it might have been taken down and how non of those reasons conflicted with their terms and giving examples of how there are many products on Etsy that might have the same issue but are allowed to be sold. Moments after the appeal I was notified that my shop was permanently banned, still no explanation, and no further appeals could be made. I am largely unknown to the internet and my book has only sold like 9 copies, so to this day I have no idea why this would happen to me 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@steggopotamus]

I feel like there needs to be a law where all platform modding and ban decisions need to be public.

[@matt0044]

I hope you keep trying. The second you give up, they win.

[@Truth-Voyager]

@@matt0044 I’m a software engineer. So I am presently building my own social media platform that I have specifically designed to undercut right wing strategies and hopefully deradicalize arrogant right wingers who think their beliefs are well substantiated (much like my younger self). Trust me, I’m just getting started.

[@Nichrysalis]

Etsy has come down recently with some very radical policy changes targeting the large adult toy market on the site. They even have a policy that directly states selling adult items saying "Daddy/Mommy" is inc3st and therefore will not be allowed on the platform. It's insane they think that. Banning large swathes of the adult toy market is kind of bizarre given both the size of that market and the relative non-controversy it was, it has shades of when tumblr banned porn.

[@Howdyasdo]

I hope to see your vision soon 🤌​@Truth-Voyager We need people who are willing to atleast try making the changes we need on the social media landscape. After all we spend alot of time here whether we like it or not

[@idunnoalaska]

You’d think at this point KZbin would put Jesse on a manual review required list just to avoid the negative PR.

[@AceOfSevens]

My dad got a lung transplant. He's 5'5". Someone without a medical background could easily see the scars & think he's a trans man. This backlash against some hated minority always has a bunch of splash damage that they also don't care about.

[@blaise931]

They're constantly attacking cisgender men with gynomastia removal scars

[@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy]

For some reason the complexity of your language, arguments and cultural understanding really stands out in this video. While in contrast the language of the right wing grifters you discuss is very simple, juvenile, and reactionary.

[@EnderBenderr]

It’s absolutely unacceptable that KZbin will platform and promote lazy, ignorant, and harmful content at the expense creators that are actively trying to engage with the platform in an artistic and educational way. They need to decide which creators they would rather support. In the end, it’s up to them whether they would rather have reactionary, hateful slop versus anything of value. I know that if they choose the former, I don’t see myself using it for much longer. On a personal note, your videos mean a lot to me. For the little amount it’s worth, I’m sorry to hear the mental and physical health struggles you have been put through. Take your time with whatever you need, and thank you for the wonderful content you have provided over the years.

[@DustyChapter]

I feel like there should be some kinda creator union. where you can support eachother with legal issues. and hell, potentually even countersue these shitty copyright abuse companies

[@jacksonwinter5110]

There is. Or there was. I joined back when I was making videos, but I don't know how much success they had

[@majortom331]

Remember FUPA ?

[@DeaDiabola]

​@@majortom331 They never intended to do a damn thing. Remember how they met up with Susan, and then they quietly abandoned the FUPA twitter account?

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

That would need creators making one. If you are familiar with Starbucks unions, they take time and a lot if fighting efforts with ten steps forward, 5 steps back. It would be the way forward though. It takes creators to fight that fight.

[@christineherrmann205]

Anyone who bothered to leave a negative comment on that video about the kiss is LAME. You can CLICK OFF. I myself didn't watch the whole thing; I watched a few seconds, went "Aww" and went on to the next video. It in NO way should have engendered (no pun intended) an age gate.

[@ryleighholm2791]

Commenting for the algorithm. Love this video. Love your systematic breakdown of the different takedowns and age gates. Love the clear vocalization, I'm hoping to afford to support you on nebula, I want to be there to see a number of creators I adore there. I admire you funneling your anger into your art and I'm inspired by it. 💗🌻✨

[@JeraWizard]

Appreciate you Jessie, you / we deserve better than this.

[@Damanique]

I've been thinking about this a lot. KZbinrs make the content that viewers want to watch, but yet, KZbin doesn't recommend or even suppresses those videos, and penalizes KZbinrs for making that content. It's no surprise that they turn towards Nebula, Curiousity Stream, or even make their own streaming platform. It's like viewers and KZbinrs are trying to connect, but KZbin itself sits in the middle, making everything awful.

[@WystaerMacaron]

Makes me think of the "Myth of Consent" meme. Creators: I consent. Viewers: I consent. KZbin: I DON'T! Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?

[@JaspersSpace]

Honestly, I've been debating getting Nebula, to support you and other video essayists I love, for a long time now. This is the boulder that broke the camels back - I'll be signing up for Nebula tonight and jumping ship from this toxic platform that's getting drowned in alt right content

[@docweidner]

I would miss you if you left. As a 50 sometibg straight white guy, I like your perspective and found Steve Shives and Vera through you.

[@TheJuancho]

As I watched this video essay, I saw a lot of myself in this sad tale. I've been on KZbin with my friends for over a decade, and we've been struggling to grow our audience, all because we refuse to play with the algorithm game... we refuse to play with hyperbolic cheap rage bait and, instead, we try to dispell and debunk those terrible narrative. Jessie, I am so sorry this madness is affecting you so harshly. You're such a phenomenal artist!

[@csrjjsmp]

I was curious so I checked out your channel and I’m sorry bro but I don’t think that’s the reason. You have potential so if you take a critical look at your own videos and try to improve instead of externalizing blame you could grow a lot

[@TheJuancho]

@@csrjjsmp oh not this channel. Our team's channel is @TheRavensFlock .

[@judemertes6543]

I am so sorry that this is happening to you and to so many other disenfranchised members of the youtube community. It's horrendous, but I am glad that there are people like you who persist, who speak out against it, who make moves to bring this to light and rise against it. It's one of the reasons I enjoy your content so much, and I thank you for doing it, even when it proves so difficult and draining. ❤ Your community cares for you!

[@catherinemiller2118]

I'm a new viewer; I haven't watched many of your videos, but what I have watched is impressively well thought out and explained, even in comparison to some of the other educational content I consume on this platform. It's beyond shameful that creators like yourself who approach topics with integrity and nuance are penalized for doing exactly that because it doesn't generate enough rage. What I've seen of your work is so very worthwhile to engage with. I hope you never let that spark get extinguished. I hope you manage to continue creating good work, whether it's here or elsewhere. Your voice is worth hearing, and I hope the machine never manages to silence you. Thank you for being so courageous to share your work and to speak out when the system is broken.

[@lauraazure6462]

KZbin is so gross now that Ive been trying too find other platforms and have gone back too reading books lol

[@larissabrglum3856]

For me it's been listening to the radio and CDs from the library. I still watch KZbin, but once I realized that I was keeping it on in the background all the time and barely absorbing much of what I was hearing, I thought, "Why not just listen to music for this purpose?" It's also much easier to avoid ads with the radio because when one comes on, you can just flip through the stations! Not to mention that, at least where I live, there are several stations that are fully non-commercial.

[@lauraazure6462]

@larissabrglum3856 you know I do the exact same thing! Maybe I should just replace tye background noise with music too any recommendions?

[@raysofmariehere6441]

KZbin HATES their creators. This is what stops me from signing up for KZbin plus. I’m sorry this is a constant fight for you

[@larissabrglum3856]

Yeah, my disgust with KZbin as a platform makes me not want to give them my money

[@vrubin]

I LOVE THE THUMBNAIL ART SM

[@marcelinecooper1991]

Side note once I was watching lord of the rings and my tv's subtitles changed gondor to gender. TOMORROW WE RIDE FOR GENDER AND WAR!

[@DawnDavidson]

😂😂😂 Indeed!

[@NotreDanish]

The hypocrisy at KZbin is mind-numbing

[@moe5020]

I ain't that deep YT has to abide by the law and things getting age-resticted is just part of making mature content. Yeah to creators their video is their art but to YT it's just a file among millions being uploaded that day and they aren't gonna bend over to debate whether kids should be allowed to see cronenberg because it's claimed as academic. if an appeal doesn't work then tough-luck that ad rev that Jessy and everyone esle enjoys to make their living depends on YT making sure they aren't liable to lawsuit so yeah copystrikes and age-gating can be harsh but it isn't discrimination.

[@thefane8682]

"We need to organize." Now you've done it. They hate that word.

[@Roadent1241]

Are they messier than my hoarder parents? XD

[@RecycledSoul17]

sometimes i forget how absolutely batshit matt walsh is, but then i hear him speak. jesus christ. Edit: "it sounds like hardcore cope" PROBABLY BECAUSE IT IS, BRO

[@gypseetim]

Take care of your health first, before anything else. KZbin is not the only way to express your creativity!

[@malusignatius]

Seeing a video like this makes me relieved I never got serious about being a content creator. I realise that's a sad thing to say, but the more I hear of KZbin's half-assed approach to transparency and content moderation the more I'm glad I've had nothing to do with it.

[@ThriftyEgg]

Wanting to reach out and send you so much love and compassion. The constant weight of anger is so heavy. I want to thank you for all your content on this platform which has both spread edification and so much joy. Whatever your decision is for your future I hope that includes self-compassion and nurture

[@taylozen]

i've been waiting for an alternative platform since youtube started pushing shorts and fighting adblock. once i'm financially stable i'll probably get a subscription for nebula

[@CasualFox12495]

Legit! Worth every annual penny.

[@etez]

"Used to be shipped" One correction, some of us oldbies are still out here shipping... Can't stop won't stop

[@Authentistic-ism]

I've noticed something additional they're doing. Basically, now age gated videos don't function within a Watch Later playlist. Making me think i've seen them already or making me interrupt my playlist to see them. It's infuriating. I use that playlist very meticulously to order and sort what I haven't watched yet and keep track of progress on partially watched videos so I can finish them. How it happens is.... When I have an already age-gated video in my Watch Later playlist, (in a desktop web browser, not on mobile) youtube marks the video as "already watched" visually in my list (with the progress bar turned all red in the list). Additionally if I click on one of those videos to watch witihin my Watch Later list, it doesn't prompt me to verify my age or say it's age gated. If I click on it a second time out of furstration, it pops the video OUT of my list so I can respond to the age gating and play it.

[@Howdyasdo]

I hate that "feature" Even if you have an account you need to give proof of age and fuck that. Not giving private info for this soul sucking corporation

[@jaqm7343]

My thought for how to fix this (the plagiarism, abuse of copyright, and harvesting content for AI) is any company that profits from AI or uses automation replacing human jobs or sends jobs to countries they are not based on should pay 90% of profit for UBI and infrastructure

[@EbonJackal]

Good on you for going to a lawyer for the copyright crap. From what I've seen, saying, "I have hired legal counsel," makes KZbin shit their pants and quickly correct their thoughtless actions.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Late seeing this, but brilliant video. This all needed to be said. Let's hope it's now heard!

[@witherschat]

"To be fair. And balanced. Stealing that from 'Some More News'." LMAO that's great. I just went "I understood that reference" and it made me way happier than it should have. (All of the video is good, I just wanted to leave a comment for the algorithm and didn't know what to talk about because it's almost 6AM and I have yet to sleep.)

[@sophieknowles4876]

As an autistic person who also struggles with having to over explain and justify everything I say and/or do, this video hits hard. You're one of my favourite creators, and a very cool person. I simply wish you'd be able to create what you love, that we can all create what we love, without sites like KZbin treating us like shit and draining all the love out of creation. Whatever you do and wherever you go from here, Jessie, I wish you luck and I'm happily sticking around for you and your art. X3

[@ctrl-alt-smile]

Over the years ive tried to start making youtube videos, typically discussing trans lives and educating. Each time however, my video gets taken down or age restricted. Ive kind of given up at this point...

[@wombatiferous]

Well, this finally kicked me in the butt to cancel my YT premium subscription and subscribe to Nebula. Edit: the predatory copystrike companies will go after people for posting their own recordings of classical music that's been in the public domain for 200 years. It's appalling to be that KZbin just shrugs and goes "well, if they say they own it, not much we can do." If you're high-profile enough, they might unstrike, but those creators will never get the earnings that should have been theirs back.

[@minuterice19540]

Getting a like and comment in before more KZbin bullshittery comes down the pipeline.

[@theantiskiasystem2260]

Being misunderstood is my biggest fear, it makes me totally go crazy inside, knowing the ridiculous unnecessary injustices that have actual good solutions, like non-violent communication and just plain listening. It definitely is an austistic struggle, I think most of us are traumatised by the punishments that we got by people who never explained us the 'rules'.. Big hug! Grant yourself some rest when you can!

[@AriellaLilien]

This video meant a lot and made me cry and I'm not really sure I have anything so say here but I want to boost the algorithm so I'll just say that "the artist formerly known as twitter" is hilarious and I love it

[@Despoina_Nyx]

I'm starting to think that youtube has such horrible moderation tools, like not allowing you to downright block someone from ever showing up in your feed and comments cuz they wanna just keep the rage bait algorithms alive and well.

[@ClarityCloudstheMind]

Jessie, your authenticity and vulnerability in not only this video, but all the content you produce is so admirable. This lesson of not investing time and effort into explaining yourself for those who don't care to really hear you is something I've been struggling with in my personal life, so hearing it reflected in your words really hit me hard. I admire your ability to take the steps you need to in order to take care of yourself. It can be such a challenging step to take, but one that is deeply necessary. I will continue to look forward to video releases from you (on both KZbin and Nebula). I'm sorry that you've been put through the wringer by the platform you've been so dedicated to helping improve. You, and so many creators like you, deserve better.

[@willardprenfrew4303]

Let this be seen far and wide!

[@mariecroteau6504]

This is what happens when society prioritises capitalsim, bigotry and battles of egos over love, understanding and compasion. Do what you have to do to be healthy and free to express yourself, Jessie. Sending love! 💝🙏🌈

[@Endienindo]

It's so bizarre to me we're still technologically at the point where we're so much at mercy of a single distribution platform and company. This certainly is a far cry from the internet I envisioned when logging in to access Usenet forums back in the day, to be connected with people, between peers. This video is an important message and I hope other creators in a similar situation will hear it, and end up taking care of themselves. Your content and art is excellent, Jessie, and I especially enjoyed the amazing art style of Dreaming of a Queer Internet! ❤

[@quincysilence]

You really help me to not lose hope in this horrible times and it makes me sad to see, how you are treated by youtube and other creators. Take care of yourself!

[@isobelb]

I'm sorry that Jessie is suffering. This highlights that KZbin creates the illusion that the product creators are valued when KZbin is large enough that no creator has any value. We could all leave and KZbin wouldn't even notice.

[@andyb1653]

I'm so sick of people like Matt Walsh. Moreso, I'm SO sick of people like him being so successful. I blame the right-wing "techbros" who run these sites (edit: and "the media" in general, for that matter). Just a reminder that a great many of us straight white dudes aren't like that. It's just that the ones who are are MUCH louder that those of us who aren't. It's infuriating and embarrassing. Stay strong, Jesse. You are a brilliant, talented woman, a top-notch creator, and your fans have your back. You're more astute than most, keep doing what you do.

[@fruttibotti1430]

And KZbin wonders why people use adblockers on their platform

[@cas4047]

I'm glad you are talking about this. I've seen over 10 years people leave youtube temporarily or permanently because of all the difficulties with youtube. The past 3-4 years I have seen much more of a shift to other platforms for first uploads (like pateron or nebula ect) and trying not to rely on youtube but still unable to leave as it's extremely hard to get viewers to leave with them. Recently I did see a few youtubers spend literal months trying to upload one video because of copyright alone. Seen others struggle to talk about serious and important topics because of banning words or words how they know it might hide/shadow ban/loose money their video. Even before 2020 I remember seeing videos of queer people getting flagged up for simply talking about their day. This year I tried to deal with simple google problem and I was completely lead around in circles till I send a message and just got an automatic reply with no solution. Ended up going to reddit to ask for help. I've also dealt with youtube copyright before too and half of them were fake. KZbin and google in general to not care about it's users only their money. I honestly think youtube creators and viewers should 1st - never give youtube money. 2nd - give it to creators if they are able. 3rd - never stop complaining to youtube in anyway they can. There are still so many basic issues with youtube especially for creators that has been ignored or made worse over the years. thank you so much for speaking about this again! I hope you got some cat cuddles to help too

[@azzyjeffs]

“I think Sam and Frodo should’ve kissed…. First of all, how dya know they didn’t? 😉” Love it, love him

[@missglucktesbartierchen4143]

You and your wife kissing gave my heart another refill in believing in love and romance itself. I have BPD and decided to stop dating and sexual encounters until my therapeutic success some day in the future, where I don't emotionally harm them because of my illness. But to not end this comment on a down vote. I am in therapy and we made great progress over the last year, of that I am terribly proud. Love you guys/gals/enbys

[@Tino_Tee]

KZbin, it's disgusting how much you don't care for your creators.

[@AnotherChampagneSocialist]

I keep thinking about it and it keeps pissing me off because I know at the heart of it is a double standard applied to LGBT people where content that would be considered perfectly acceptable if the participants were cis and straight is somehow treated as predatory when LGBT people do it.

[@AnotherChampagneSocialist]

Among other obvious reasons it should piss me off, I just mean that one is a big one I keep coming back to because I see it all the time with everything.

[@roundbrackets]

I didn't know how big the problems are and what creators are facing. This is such an eye-opener and an excellent video. Thank you for making it.

[@peggyoneil2123]

Love the clip of Sean Astin, it made me laugh and helped lighten the burning anger for a little bit 😂

[@DawnDavidson]

I haven’t even seen it yet, but I’m willing to bet I know the clip in question. 😂