Zenbook S 14 (Lunar Lake): Worth the Hype?

[@JustJoshTech]

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[@djayjp]

You shouldn't use the 30 min Cinebench test as it's fundamentally contradictory. The whole idea of processors is to "race to sleep". The more performant processors that complete far more work in the same span of time are made to look artificially worse than processors which complete less work in the same amount of time. So the test should be about completing a finite task plus idle time (if applicable) over a standard period of time, then checking to see how much the battery ran down. Such as: complete 10 renders. Or perhaps the test should include 50% idle time?

[@1726Meow]

This is interesting, can you explain a bit more?

[@djayjp]

​​@@1726Meow I don't really know what else to say on the topic. Was any part of it confusing? Just think about it: why do we use computers? To complete a particular task or to run something that never ends?

[@Xevos701]

Yeah, the battery test with running Cinebench 2024 continously is stupid. Just Josh has been criticaed for it in many platforms such as Reddit.

[@Xevos701]

Cinebench 2024 is basically doing rendering. Who does that on their laptop while on battery? It would be ideal to have the laptop plugged in when doing something like that. Also no one does rendering in thin-and-light laptops like this on a regular basis. Thin and Light laptops are used for office apps, Web browsing etc... normally. Something like UL Procyon's battery life test is more suitable to test that.

[@FlorinArjocu]

Yes, the testing should shpw the apps that are supposed to be used on light and slim laptops, not heavy duty apps as 99% of the users will not be doing that. But I can understand why they do these tests, as otherwise their clips will be 2 minutes long and there will be little comparison points between different laptops.

[@AgentZeroNine1]

In regards to pricing, what happened is people showed Apple that they're willing to bend over. Other brands took notice.

[@Garrus-w2h]

I’m not sure if anyone’s buying this. I live in a medium size city and I don’t think they’ve sold a single model at Best Buy.

[@dankmemes3153]

The reason is because the cpu isnt made from intels fabs. Which means the cost is higher

@@Garrus-w2h its brand new also the us is a extremely apple centric market

[@Winnetou17]

@@Garrus-w2h Many big companies will get laptops similar to these for their employees.

[@MrJustek]

Bro you can get a rock solid macbook air with an m2 processor which kicks butt for like $800 bucks now. I don't know who's bending over and taking it from apple cuz that destroys all these laptops if you don't mind using MacOS. This laptop from asus would have to go down to $1000 bucks to compete with the macbook air m2.

[@peterc6559]

These new s14 and s16 laptops are beautiful but the price for both machines is unreasonable

[@aibel99]

What makes it unreasonable? I'd say if the only thing that would make it unreasonable is if you could buy a better laptop for less. So do you know of anything better than this for less? Not challenging you, just want to know becuase I'm planning on buying this lol

[@ClipFlickyy]

Wait like 8 months and bestbuy will do a $400 sale on it. It happens to basically every single laptop as soon as best buy wants to get rid of old stock.

[@gwramim4807]

Lol only thing this is good in is battery and the reason this has similar performance to ai hx 370 is Because it has more memory bandwidth and slightly higher single core performance and this is made on tsmc n3p so it will be not cheaper at least in a while I don't see paying 1400$ for 16gb just for that great battery ​@@aibel99

[@illusion2515]

Waiting for yoga slim 7i to be available (can't find it anywhere yet) or praying for a lunar lake surface 7 laptop (man I love that blue colour)

[@simoncarlbom]

Is there any chance we might get a surface 7 with lunar lake? Cause im choosing between the surface 7 and the yoga 7i aura, and the only reason I haven't picked up the surface is cause of the compatibility issues with snapdragon since i need some specific softwares that it doesn't support!

[@illusion2515]

@@simoncarlbom from what I found not this year.. maybe with the next version and its probably gonna be more expensive with intel. You could also wait for a bigger price drop since it keeps getting lower

@@illusion2515 im pretty sure microsoft wants to push arm i dont think they will ever go back

[@illusion2515]

sad since its just a great device but compatibility is still bad

[@basilcooper6804]

Out of curiosity, what makes you say that? I had imagined that MS’s decision to take another look at ARM was in increased pressure from Apple silicon, and the portability + speed it affords. But if the specs of Lunar Lake continue on its current trajectory, x86 would be the smart choice for a portable tablet-like.

[@krazyolie]

Surprising they cheaped out a bit with the keyboard and track pad on an ostensibly top of the line thin and light.

[@isbestlizard]

Ugh it drives me up the wall companies seem to ALWAYS cheap out on a component to avoid making the perfect laptop. Was the $5 you saved on speccing a shitty webcam really worth it?

[@brianbuckley5204]

Just got this laptop today and am loving the feel of it so far (waited for the first open box unit at Best Buy for $100 off). The only annoyance so far is this half second delay when using swipe gestures to switch virtual desktops (it's instant using shortcuts). I know it's a general Windows thing but it feels even slower than usual. Have you guys seen the same? edit: Switched my desktop background to a solid color and it instantly fixed it. According to a random thread I found, it's due to wallpapers that aren't the exact same aspect ratio of the display. Just Windows things...

[@chiaza7735]

Looking forward to the omnibook ultra flip review 😊

[@JustJoshTech]

We are working on it. Big video

[@wanttoremainanonymous]

Thank you josh and cierra and others so much.. You have helped a lot in helping me to choose a laptop.. I hope you continue the great work and also become better.. One day you r gonna become really big.. ❤.. And also do the best laptop series for all price ranges and not only the premium category.. And roll out the best laptops series atleast once in 3 months..q1, q2, q3, q4.. And also graphics perfomance is important for ml.. So dont neglect that while making the best laptops for coders series

[@JustJoshTech]

Thanks so much. I'm actually working on a big ML video right now!!!

[@CycleDoc675]

The 14" OLED panel (non-touch) on the HP Omen Transcend 14 actually hits 616 nits on HDR mode. It is the same resolution (2880x1800) as this Asus S 14 and does not have the screen door effect. Makes me think that in addition to a lower quality keyboard and trackpad, Asus also went with a cheaper OLED option.

[@Winnetou17]

616 nits full screen or just a small bright window ?

[@dankokrupljanin9488]

The Just Josh Cinematic Universe is expanding everyday, thanks Jarred, an Ethan for the cameo, and thanks Cierra for carrying the video

[@niklashofmann8892]

I'm really excited to see how it measures up against the HP Omnibook Ultra Flip! :)

[@djayjp]

Yes! Please do a comprehensive app launching speed test roundup!

[@JustJoshTech]

Oh we are working on that. I hope we get time to get a video out on it

[@Xevos701]

​@@JustJoshTechYou should change your battery test methodology

[@JustJoshTech]

@@Xevos701 Explain

[@Winnetou17]

@@JustJoshTech Don't know what Xevos was reffering to, as there's loads of things that can be improved, but at the cost of (sometimes much) more effort into testing and harder to present the data. One thing that's easy and that's been mentioned in another comment thread here is the Cinebench 30 min test. It just shows how much power the laptop is configured to use. In other words it's good just as a worst case scenario of battery drain for that particular laptop model. Doesn't show the efficiency and it's not that representative of a CPU, since you can have widely different results from the same CPU in another laptop that's differently configured (though it also might be better/worse on power drain by the motherboard+ports+screen). A CPU efficiency test for high load/performance/stress test would be to have a fixed workload and to see how much it used from start to finish. Some CPU might use more power but finish faster and actually be more efficient in the end. A good workload that I can think of would be Chromium compile. Other also said that Cinebench-level tests on such a small laptop is not that representative for what people would actually use it for, and recommendedd something like Procyon test suite, which you already have... I think (at 8:30 ). While here, I can't help myself and mention that I really don't understand how/why are we still having MS Word benchmarks in 2024. Other than maybe a 50,000 page document, what can possibly be very CPU intensive to do in Word to warrant it as a benchmark ?

[@rramnel]

Thanks for this detailed and honest review. I was this close to ordering one and your video came up on my KZbin feed. I immediately watched it and I have decided now not to order it. Low brightness with the screen door effect is a no go for me. And I expected the laptop to also feel premium like the Macbook with such a high price tag. It costs 1700€ here in Germany BTW

i preordered the hp omnibook ultra flip 14 because its the only convertible with lunarlake and 120hz oled yet but it seems like a better laptop then the asus even without the convertible add on

[@tones1161]

can I ask what apps or websites are you frequenting in your work? I have the ZenBook 14x from last year that has this same "screen door" effect on white backgrounds but with this being an oled I am forcing just about every app into dark mode and going as far as having my main apps which are my terminal, vscode, and obsidian into being transparent or all black which leads to such a beautiful look on the oled that is very nice on my eyes. I use dark reader extension on Firefox or chrome and the only time I am forced to see a white background is if I am looking at lecture notes or something from a professor which is hardly an issue. just thought I'd share my experience for you.

[@nuudaaa]

Honest question why did you order that and not just some macbook, not a fanboy also a Windows machine but it feels most win laptops are still lagging in many aspects

[@jumpylion2580]

I just got the 16 gb version of this laptop from official Asus website in germany and have to inform you that the german version of this laptop (it is mentioned on website) does not support touch and there for does not have screen door effect mentioned and the brighness isnt really that low I have screen brighness around 50-60 percent and thats enough most times, but the thing is I got discount on this laptop through company of my brother and it costed me 1400 Euro instead of 1700 which is an absolute steal for me since I wanted a good windows laptop and was not apple mac fan altho I have Iphone. I just wanted to inform you that things you worry about does not exist since you mentioned you are in germany but still the price tag of 1700 is a bit too much for this laptop so I wait for discount or straight go for m3 mac with16gb which is 1500.

[@tones1161]

@@nuudaaa because I can run linux.... MacBooks are by far the best hardware rn no question, if I could load Linux on a m3 pro and have that battery life I would pay double the laptops price

[@abdulmohsencontent2590]

I purchased it a week ago. It feels smooth and great unlike how this video showed it, I do agree with them about the web cam and the brightness but the brightness is excellent indoor but outdoor you will notice it but its not that bad you can work with it comfortably.

[@AyoHues]

Great review, I think you covered everything. I’ve looked at this laptop in person and it’s a real shame that ASUS don’t seem to be offering the Scandinavian White in most markets. That’s a really standout colour and looks a lot more premium and sophisticated in a sea of very similar looking dark grey laptops.

[@mzk9153]

I like Cierra, she's a great presenter and should be on camera more often.

[@thenubianspeaks4329]

the keyboard and trackpad are fine The slim 7i or x or whatever, I researched reviews for all of them and the boring looks, and don't care about brightness that much. Dave2d 's review was better sorry, and he did not voice concern about any of the issues you brought up, I do think she is right on about the price though.

[@bahrijagolubovic8711]

Been waiting for this video! Thanks guys!

[@pewpewpower]

You need a “Josh Score” that rates and weights all the various metrics and compare against laptops of same category. Kind of how Doug Demuro does for cars.

[@JustJoshTech]

Lol. Tried it. It only works at a point in time. As new stuff is always coming that changes the ranking. We did it for the Best 14inch Laptop video last year. We still might do it for some best of round up videos

[@pewpewpower]

@@JustJoshTechah, that’s fair.

[@PlatinAviation]

All the new processors are very interesting and make it hard to decide which laptop to get! Will you be reviewing the new Asus TUF A14 with Ryzen AI 9?

[@zero-lpds]

Ha! A new voice ❤ no longer "just Josh" 😂 love Agent Cierra and great to see the channel grow 🎉

[@woofinu]

I think a direct comparison to last year was the Asus Zenbook model UX3405MA-PH77, which had the Intel Core Ultra series 1, 14" OLED, same 1 TB SSD storage . I can't comment on the relative quality of the display, keyboard or trackpad. Last year had 32 GB of memory and this year 16. Last year's price was $1299 and this year $1399.

[@basilcooper6804]

Hey Josh and co., great review. I wonder if you might consider the HP Omnibook Flip in your lunar lake review adventures? I understand it’s the iterative equivalent of the Spectres, which you took a shining to in the past. Anyhow, keep up the great work ❤

[@chinmaysinghal8997]

Please review the Vivobook s14 as well. Lunar Lake under 1000 USD with more key travel, bigger battery and lower res, lower refresh rate screen would mean amazing battery life. I'm waiting for a 32GB variant of the Vivobook s14 though. Is that gonna launch in USA?

[@cristianrosescu2914]

The reflective screen and low brightness is a deal breaker for me

[@SS_Tek]

I ordered my Custom Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Aura on the 1st of this month; it should be arriving tomorrow at noon. I am excited! I will further try to tweak it to make the battery last longer than on the charts. Likewise, I am only using it for school and coding, so battery life is the main reason I waited to buy on release. I heard rumors the battery would match that or be better than the MacBooks. I'll be looking forward to the video of y'all comparing to see which laptop is the best for battery life. Also, the Yoga Slim I customized to be with 32GB's of RAM, the overall price was $1400, seems like more bang for a buck, we will see!

[@TheStaticUnit]

I was looking forward to this one! I'm looking to upgrade from my old 2014 Lenovo Y50-70 soon. It's a shame the keyboard and trackpad aren't better for the price, that's a slight deal-breaker for me. On a related note, do you know if the HP Spectre will be releasing with a Lunar Lake CPU anytime soon?

the hp specter is replaced by the omnibook ultra flip

[@Workaholic42]

In Europe, the price for the Zenbook S14 is ridiculous. As you said, Yoga Slim 7i Aura looks way more interesting.

[@thenubianspeaks4329]

looks more interesting. that is it, "Looks"

[@RiverYucatan]

In europe it costs 2000 euro, there costs almost half. Asus in europe is a joke

[@IvoPavlik]

Absolutely. They dominate the market here and milk it like crazy. Fortunately I can boycott them for now since I can wait with my purchase a bit.

[@trickfilmz]

This killed it for me. I was very interested, but 2k is too much…

[@Tigerex966]

60 hz lack of ports non upgradeable SSD 8gb ram 256 SSD base weak ai npu lack of games really hurt the 15" macbook ai The m4 air next year should fix thst

[@andyH_England]

I am using the 15-inch base MB Air M2, and it runs rings around the various Snapdragon X Elite laptops I have been testing. Though I use it as an ultrabook, its intended purpose is as follows: I would buy an MB Pro if I needed more RAM and performance. I have not tested AMD or Lunar Lake yet.

[@Tigerex966]

@@andyH_England that's the opposite of all of f the reviews I seen.

[@thespiff]

Please show a normalised battery test with the same 1920x1200 resolution, 60hz refresh rate and same screen brightness. Only then we users can see which laptop and which chip can provide the best battery life.

[@Winnetou17]

I used to think like that, but the thing is that the monitor itself it still is a higher resolution and it just "pretends" and scales the image to look like 1920x1200, but it still has to individually set the color and brightness for 2880x1800 pixels (times the subpixel count). In other words it can't really use less energy. The CPU/iGPU might use less energy for computing the images/frames to be sent to the screen though. Not sure how much of the lower resolution efficiency would be from this.

[@thespiff]

@@Winnetou17 That would be a nice topic to explorer and explain by Josh and his team in an upcoming video.

[@andyH_England]

Plenty of tests on YT smartphones show that lowering the resolution on a native display only marginally affects battery life. As for dynamic refresh versus fixed 60Hz, it could even be more efficient to have a 120Hz dynamic display for example, if watching Netflix, it can dial down to 24Hz whilst the 60Hz Mac has to run at 60Hz.

[@TransparentlyDuplicitous]

So, does anyone know what's happened to CAMM? I'm getting really tired of choosing between soldered memory and fast memory.

[@Winnetou17]

CAMM 2 will come eventually. Not for Lunar Lake laptops though, as LL has the RAM directly on the chip with the CPU. Also, usually the soldered memory is faster. It's just that it's not (easily) replaceable.

[@akin242002]

These Lunar Lake laptops 💻 seem perfect for insurance and analsys jobs. Full X86 software compatibility, great battery life, good single core CPU performance, and good for light gaming. The iGPU and single core performance makes it good for photo editing. Looking forward to seeing the Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 13 and Dell Latitude 7460 with the new Lunar Lake Ultra 7 CPU.

[@Seyeon-vv3ie]

thank u for another great review! One question, would zenbook s14 with ultra 5 226v be performing much worse than this one with ultra 7 258v? I'll use this laptop mostly for school stuff like taking online classes, writing long papers, etc. I'm also considering lenovo yoga slim aura edition, I wonder which one has better build quality! thanks again!!

[@ismaelrivera1999]

We need a 15 “ zen book with Lunar lake

[@levizin917]

Its the price of a macbook Air 15 16gb right now, and feels worse, what would be the buy for at most 1k right now? Right now I see: Vivobook 15 OLED Intel Ultra 7, 3050, 16gb 900$ Vivobook S14 Ultra 5, 16gb 500ssd only 950$ (this is lunar lake?) Zenbook 14 OLED, Ultra 7 16gb, 1 tera, but this one gets to 650 open box ( seems like its gonna be the deal for me, open box) And I don't know, I see there are some others on 1100 any tips?

[@evolopterus]

The MSRP of this laptop, with 16GB RAM, 1TB storage is CHEAPER than the equivalent MacBook Air (which starts with 8GB/256). And with this, you get touchscreen OLED as a bonus.

[@djayjp]

Hack: turn on Windows' HDR mode. It'll get up to 500 nits in that mode.

[@yeyoeddy]

I wish the gray version came with 32gb, 1tb. In the US I have only seen it with 16gb, 1tb in Best Buy.

[@serikazero128]

in my country this thing costs around 1900 euros :) as for it being "worth it", it looks beautiful however: it gets hotter than S16 its performance is worse than S16 S14 scores around 10 tokens/s in ollama and llama 3.1 8b while S16 scores around 12 tokens/s So, does it look good? - yes Does it feel better to type on? - yes Is it cheaper than the AMD variant at s16? - no Does it perform better than the AMD variant? - no Does it stay cool to the touch? - it got warm simply by downloading ollama Is the touchpad mechanical? - not fully, its like that for right click, it supports a lot of gestures and you can still click without using it mechanically.

[@pepejw]

similar issue in the uk, 1499 with ultra 7 16gb ram, 1599 with ultra 7 32gb ram, 1759 with ultra 9 32gb ram. When a strix point laptop can cost 1300, there's just no reason to pay the 300 extra

[@djayjp]

The AI performance is using the NPU or GPU of the two laptops compared?

[@serikazero128]

@@djayjp no, that's the funny part. The NPU on both Zenbooks is not being used by Ollama for genAI. I'd like to check if I can use automatic1111 or confy ui and see if those use the NPU. But I don't think its fair to do that with a unit that's in the shop. Also the Integrated GPU was not being used for LLM inference on these 2 AMD Ryzen AI 9 (which for me is priced around 1860e) and the lunar lake v258 (if I remember it correctly) at 1900e, both of them with 32 gb ram

[@raminpro9765]

BBBBBBOYS. LUNAR LAKE MULTICORE VERY VERY WEEK , very very bad on render , multicore software(youtubers hide bad side) CINBENCH R23 multicore score= lunar lake =9.000 amd ryzen AI 370(30% cheaper)= 22.000 in above video see 5:37 again exactly

[@Johnny91832]

eu electronics tax. 1400€ here with core ultra 5 226v, 16 gb & 512 ssd.

[@OlegKorsak]

new chassis ?? s13 had it 2 years ago

[@Conjuredfilms]

Josh! Please make a video on video editing laptops. I want a mac but I don’t wanna break the bank.

[@JustJoshTech]

We are doing one but after the new Macs come out as we want to include them. Btw it will include Macs and Windows laptops

[@Conjuredfilms]

@@JustJoshTech aw those won’t drop for a while but i get it

[@wgm247]

As soon as i heard this premium laptop cant display a white page without other colours poking through i switched off

[@lowcartographer]

6:58 Jarrod's Tech was comparing AMD Strix Point CPU with previous gen Meteor Lake and not this Lunar Lake, which is why he found them slower. His is a gaming centric channel, so testing iGPU of this chip which is not designed to be paired with discrete GPU won't be relevant for his channel.

[@Garrus-w2h]

It’s an i3 chip and you get all the advantages of that. Lower end chips require less power. Should be in a $700 laptop not a $1400 one. It’s like an M chip not an M pro chip.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

It's having better iGPU and hardware acceleration in many apps. I saw test Intel do not losing to top Ryzen. Its just do not have raw performance in Geekbench.

[@djayjp]

Lol not true. Look at the 125u with amazing battery life. It only has 2 performance cores. LL has 8 performance cores (because the efficiency cores are just as fast as Tiger Lake performance cores). Also the single thread perf is super high. And the GPU is a beast for being integrated.

[@Garrus-w2h]

@@djayjp Lunar Lake has four performance cores and that’s clear with its poor multi threaded performance. lol as you said. You’re like that guy who thinks that every time a video card is faster they should increase the price instead of giving you increases for no charge. It’s the new model it’s supposed to be faster. It’s like the M2 chip. i3 level. Everything ryzen is faster snapdragon is faster. Last GEN i5 parts are faster. It uses less power and that’s good, but they traded off value and performance. One step forward two steps back.

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

Single thread performance is the most important metric for thin and light laptops. Most applications don't even make use of multi threaded performance. For you to see the benefits of multi threaded performance you need to run highly multi thread optimized applications.

[@Garrus-w2h]

@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw no doubt, but low core count ST CPUs are i3s, cheap CPUs, not expensive ones /// you get the same ST with a 6 core Ryzen CPU as the 16 core one, but you don't pay high prices for the 6 core one... duh...

[@lefteris19]

the weak oled display is a dealbreaker for a 2000€ laptop! very disappointed to hear it still has the screendoor effect.

[@Skyblue90a]

Agree. I would expect an oled equivalent to macbook if that's their price point. Maybe Ill consider this on sale next year for a more realistic price.

[@christianr.5868]

@@Skyblue90aMacBooks don’t have OLED

[@shakilash11]

You should mention that the screen is not 180 degree and why all reviewer don't care the lack of numpad though most business works on numbers.

[@TranTrungKien-q1t]

Hello josh, what is your opinion on high-end gaming laptop in aspect of long-term invesment. I intend to invest one for study and future work ( AI field ), and everybody tell me to build a pc instead because a gaming laptop won't last. Thank you.

[@JustJoshTech]

Video out next week on this topic actually!

[@TranTrungKien-q1t]

@@JustJoshTech i can't ask for more, thank you very much :))

[@Girlsroxy]

Idk how long I can keep waiting for these new laptops to come out and be disappointed that I can’t consider them for my upgrade due to size (I want 14 inch) or price (in Australia) lmao. I recently found out I can get the spectre 14 for ~$2100 AUD with student discount (RRP is like $3200). I’m leaning towards just getting the spectre if none of these new laptops catch my eye lol

[@rameshd877]

Have been using this laptop for 10 days. Got it from Best Buy . Unfortunately, this is the cheapest laptop with the lunar lake processor and the OLED screen . This is 2024 and we have phones and TVs with OLED screens. So its kind of a downgrade buying a $1000 laptop with a LCD screen which the Lenovo Aura has got . I find the keyboard to be good on the S14 and speakers are simply stunning . Not sure if its worth the price but its the cheapest option with the new processor and OLED screen

[@lowcartographer]

Lenovo high end models use good quality IPS screens and they do have the advantage of no screen door effect, color fringing around text or burn in risk.

[@ZiggyMercury]

Does Intel plan to release anytime soon new laptop processors for people that do need a high-performance machine? I'm glad for them that they're back in the game in terms of battery life, but... Honestly, I prefer a laptop with a terrible battery life and a great performance that saves me time when I work on it than the other way around.

[@JustJoshTech]

I'd assume in about 5 months they will be available

[@Winnetou17]

@@JustJoshTech For the Arrow Lake chips ? That long ? Damn! I'm expecting for a Framework variant anyway, which I think will be mid 2025, as they're delayed a bit, in order to evade "early tech" issues.

[@haorantao612]

Would you guys test the HP Omnibook Ultra Flip 2-in-1/MSI Summit 13 AI+ Evo (Lunar Lake 2-in-1) and the MSI Summit A16 AI+ 2-in-1 (Zen 5 2-in-1)? Really interested in these products as they are all one-of-a-kind in their own category!

[@JustJoshTech]

We have the Flip and 13. Reviews out next week on both

[@haorantao612]

@@JustJoshTech OMG thank you so much!!!!!!

[@Crisheight]

That webcam jump scared me.

[@isbestlizard]

I can't think of a single time where 10 hours battery life wasn't enough, but 14 would have been. So I'd rather get an hx370 based laptop it's just so much more powerful. Just who is lunar lake targeted at? People who use a web browser, and lack a charger for 14 hours straight. That's a bit of a niche use case.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Yeah, having to constantly use charger on laptop is not a big deal compared to Compact phone and tablet

[@Winnetou17]

You assume people always start with full battery. The thing is that 40% more battery life will translate into less stress about charging, no matter if you only need 5 hours per day. I guess if you use it really rarely, then recharging every 6 days vs every 7 days will be hard to spot. Also, what you do on it matters, and probably you won't have 10 vs 14 hours but 6 vs 8 hours.

[@andyH_England]

@@Winnetou17@Winnetou17 I use my MB Air 15 M2 base model for about 3 hours SOT a day and get about 15 hours of use over five days. I do office and browser stuff. So, it is nice compared to my HP X Elite, which gets 9-10 hours over three days. I would easily choose the Mc over the HP X Elite for light users like me.

[@christianr.5868]

Eh, the battery life on those seem to be pretty poor

[@XXerky]

The new intel chips while being great have inflated the costs of laptops tremendously. In Singapore the Lenovo and Asus with these new chips are for 2.5-2.9K sgd

[@JustJoshTech]

I agree. We are going to talk abot about that in upcoming videos

[@frankwong9486]

Ugreen sponsor ads kicked in like VTEC 😂

[@moviesynopsis001]

Will they ever be able to make a windows laptop like the macbook air?

[@leonardwise5807]

I still think this is what this chip is made for as the AMD in this configuration would run too hot. As for price, it will come down. My 4070 P16 dropped to 2099 at Bestbuy Saturday. I'm in 60 day window. I still think Lunar Lake gives up to much performance for its battery life. Wait until the m4.

[@dgillies5420]

Get a Ryzen hx365 Zenbook S16. You get an extra 2" of screen, an extra 8GB of RAM, a card reader, and a MUCH faster processor for the same amount of money! No need to say more ... What Intel has done here is nothing short of defining a new class of laptop, "The Intel SlowBook Elite" (Elite because it's so expensive for what you get ...) !!

[@thenubianspeaks4329]

That is because the macbook has six speaker as oppossed to 4 on the Zenbook

[@vit.khudenko]

great work as always. just one note - sorry for saying that, but the lady's pronunciation.. that's a bit hard to listen to..

[@GxO891]

Great laptop but I find the trackpad bad. You either have to click super hard or barely touch it. Hard to describe but not for me

[@levelupwithsam]

I like your guy's productions, and but I found the performance section to be a bit lacking. I'd like to see how these CPUs fare when plugged in vs unplugged. This has been one of the most frustrating aspects of x86 PCs for me (AMD included), when you unplug them from the wall they lose significant performance and feel sluggish to use. Even file explorer takes longer to open.

[@JustJoshTech]

I appreciate the comment, but what you asked for is in the video. It's literally here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYazlZ9jbtGlj7c

[@levelupwithsam]

@@JustJoshTech thanks for clearing up the confusion here. My issue is that this segment only demonstrates multi-core performance, while I mostly care about single core performance (as a software engineer building web apps, single core is much more important on my day to day than multicore). I would have preferred a chart showing both single and multi core speeds like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYazlZ9jbtGlj7csi=YMUmRzUSpmIFcL31&t=363 Still, my comment earlier did not specify that and I feel a bit dumb right now... gonna leave some nice comments on your next 3 videos to make up for it xD

[@levelupwithsam]

I can't wait to see your collab with Jarrod's Tech by the way, I'm a fan of both of your channels and I think collaboration like this enriches this laptop loving community.

[@sqrezn1109]

Do you still recommend the 2023 Zenbook 14 with 16 Gb ram?

[@JustJoshTech]

If around $500 yes.

[@sqrezn1109]

@@JustJoshTech I live in Mexico and the cheapest price es 16,000 pesos which is 800 dollars

[@JustJoshTech]

@@sqrezn1109 I don't know Mexican prices, but it is a good laptop. Has really long battery life

[@Serbantakey]

Hello love your videos what laptop should i buy with a 500 dollar budget

[@MnemonicCarrier]

These new gen Intel chips looks promising. To be honest, I don't really care about having a gazillion cores - I'd much rather "good" performance (no need to "spectacular" performance) and longer battery life - especially if it performs just as well on battery as it does while plugged in. I just really hope these machines run Linux, and there's a model with 32GB of RAM... 🙏

[@bravestbullfighter]

Thank goodness Cierra hasn't picked up the annoying head pecking habit.

[@memoabbas9055]

u should review the 2020 OLED STEALTH 13 I THINK ITS GOOD

[@randy89555]

lol its oled screen is probably burnt out already

[@alaggs7279]

I was wondering why there is no video of the Surface Laptop Studio.

[@JustJoshTech]

We bought one ourselves. It's absolutely awful. So we didn't think it was worth reviewing. One of the worst laptops we've used as of late. Super uncomfortable on our wrist and it gets very warm

[@christianr.5868]

@@JustJoshTechthat sounds like the majority of laptops out there

[@DineshKartikCodes]

first waiting for arrow lake

[@ItsDeeno69]

9% pcore ipc 32% ecore ipc man its not enough to beat x 3d😭😭

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@ItsDeeno69That's also the H, HX, and desktop CPUs from Intel. It replaces the Meteor Lake and Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs and will have SO-DIMM support, unlike Lunar Lake.

[@kartikpintu]

Cinebench test on thin n light laptops never made sense to me. Also they comparing with pro laptops is even more screwed up. please test these laptops in real life tests for ehat they are designed for. On that night, don't compare with MacBook in games because MacBooks are not for gaming

[@Coconutgl]

258v is nice, for handheld gaming, it is very good, it can be compared with m3 gpu especially running in low wattage. For battery life, if users only use very light task, it can last very long. However the weakness is also too obvious. It can't run serious task, it has similar performance as macbook air, however it draw much power to reach the same performance as m3, cinebench 2024 30 minutes run tells us the problem, it draws around 15wh power while m3 only draws 6wh, and all you know m3 is sightly faster than 258v in that benchmark. Although other cpu draw much power, their benchmark are much faster, thus they do serious task faster therefore the total power draw in real life scenario is similar. The real battery life saver is still m3, and the basic model of m3 is much cheaper. Some people may argue 258v has 32GB ram, it is really a joke. What is the usage of so many ram if it cannot do serious task? Do you see anyone upgrade macbook air to 32gb ram? The only advantage of 32GB ram is for gaming, because it can really do some serious gaming which really require more than 16GB of total system memory. Otherwise why don't just buy other cheaper laptop which perform more balance in battery and performance? Intel has done a good job, Lunar Lake is really a worse m3 replacement if users really need windows, there is really no other option in x86 side which is similar to macbook. However it is still far to compete with m3, while m4 is coming in days, Intel need to work hard to catch up.

[@Rukia_uchiha]

Does the new Intel s 14 come in Scandinavian white

[@davitdavid7165]

Which person only does word and light gaming but has 1.4k to burn? These should be priced much more agressively

[@JustJoshTech]

Agreed

[@shaun1900]

Channel should be called NOT just Josh

[@kylorokx1552]

M3 Macbook Air is getting cheaper now... At least at eBay

[@adinnugroho6544]

Have seen that laptop's test, I mean comparison, from Max Tech yesterday and it was surprising when seeing end results. The 🔋 life was just the same with M3 vanilla MacBook Pro 😅

[@andyH_England]

But its performance was worse in every test, which means that the Mac was higher-performing to get the wins and therefore used more power. So it is very misleading.

[@djayjp]

They need to launch the S 16 with LL...! 😡

[@thenubianspeaks4329]

The slim 7i has crappy speakers, which is a deal breaker for me. The Zenbook s 14 does not get that hot under heavy load unless it is set a high performance mode, sorry. plus it looks bland and ugly. for, me the crappy audio in the aura edition is enough for me to eliminate it. I don't think you have come up with a good reason not to buy this laptop based on its competitors, and price point.

[@CoalPolmer]

Wheres josh. she ruins the video

[@JustJoshTech]

I'm trying to get more content out to you guys. Its not possible for my voice to do more than about 30 minutes of on screen time per week. By the way 30 minutes of on screen time is actually about 6 hours filming. So to cover more of the industry, i am trying to split on camera duties. Please note though, I am still reviewing all research, all scripts, and all videos.

[@pewpewpower]

I think she’s great. I just find myself having to pause the video every 30 seconds because there’s so much data popping back and forth visually and audio-ally(?). And I’m not a slow person. Maybe a few seconds pause when graphs are shown? Perhaps pace and enunciate like you’re doing an in-person TedTalk rather than like a zoom presentation.

[@JustJoshTech]

@@pewpewpower Noted. I am trying to pause on graphs and the like a little longer.

[@CoalPolmer]

@@JustJoshTech yeah that makes a lot of sense. I guess shes not actually that bad, I just really like you more.

[@shaun1900]

@@JustJoshTechMkbhd manages it

[@uranblut]

I felt like watching some home shopping channel.

[@JustJoshTech]

Eek that is not good. What made it feel like that?

[@abhijitchaudhari2362]

Snapdragon is not needed after lunsr lake launch.. It's redundant..

[@cameronbosch1213]

Do you want another Intel monopoly?

[@goannacs6861]

Depends. Prices will drop sooner or later and ARM is meant to stay on. So to never shut down a laptop like a Mac is a cool thing. I'm not interested in a snapdragon laptop at the moment, but competition is good and they will hopefully find their space so we have more price fights.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@goannacs6861 I agree, although I'm currently waiting for Snapdragon X Elite support on Linux before I even consider one of those laptops. Right now, that support is very bare bones

[@djayjp]

Though it's quite a bit cheaper for sure.

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

Snapdragon is too late to the laptop party. If Qualcomm had launched their Snapdragon x elite in 2020, it would have been game over for intel and AMD. X86 would have been wiped off the laptop segment.

[@I_eatfacts]

OLED doesn't require as much as brightness as an IPS, IPS gets brighter but OLED offers a better viewing experience, colors, contrast rairo. Unless you work outside a lot I would go OLED

[@MrDucatiV4]

overpriced! 💯💯💯

[@geec7768]

No way, the pricing in unreasonable 👎

[@itsmilan4069]

7:08 he compared ryzen 9 with core u7

[@barriemoorcroft534]

I havent wat hed a just josh video in some time. Who ARE these other people???

[@JustJoshTech]

As we are a bigger channel now and trying to produce around 3 videos per week to effectively cover the laptop industry, I can't present all of them myself. My voice tends to go after a 3 hour recording session (approximately 1 video). So I need to divide the load.

[@thespiff]

​@@JustJoshTechhaving more presenters is great, especially if it makes it able for you guys to cover more laptops. However try to stick to maximum two 'faces' per video as otherwise it gets distracting with multiple people presenting.

[@JustJoshTech]

@@thespiff that's the aim. I'm still reading over every script and reviewing how it is presented

[@CycleDoc675]

@@JustJoshTech But the "make your dearest mother proud" quote should and must be a Josh exclusive and not used by the other channel members. It just doesn't sound right coming from Cierra. She should get her own slogan!

[@dera_ng]

Copilot key 😂😅

[@talielnussen3867]

AMD finally dethroned

[@decki86]

oh no 370 nits...

[@cameronbosch1213]

7:56 _Gross!_ 🤢🤮

[@MrGraveful]

I feel ill😭

[@steshaw3]

Way too expensive

[@billy8428]

we dont need a touch scree in a laptop

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Yeah if it not 2 inch 1 laptop, for me touchscreen is useless on laptop unless it have 360° hinge or detachable keyboard

[@innosanto]

They review Asus all the time in most channels. And very few Dells for example. I start to think if they are sponsored.

[@JustJoshTech]

This is utter nonesense. This is because Asus happened to get most of the new chips earlier than others. That being said, our last review before this one was a Lenovo, and our next one is an HP and then MSI

[@JustJoshTech]

Also we try to only review laptops we think you like. We have found Dell laptops to be very subpar over the last year or two. We've had them into the studio, but they haven't been good enough to share with you. We don't want to waste your time watching a video on a laptop we don't like

[@gadgetsawol3614]

​@@JustJoshTech Cannot agree more. Take a stroll into your local best buy and look at some of Dell xps models on display. Super heavy, stuck at 60hz refresh, shoddy keyboard quality, the list goes on and on. No reason to pick them over comparable Asus or Lenovo offerings...

[@andyH_England]

Not on this channel, but on other YT creator sites, I counted over 90% as sponsored by ASUS, Intel, AMD, or Qualcomm for all new ASUS laptops. It is a trend to avoid testing that is inflicted on Macs (Apple does not pay) so that reviews are more like 10-minute ads selling to the masses. I suspect viewers are realising and just turning off as their views are very poor.

[@PlatinAviation]

​@@andyH_EnglandWell said

[@MrHashisz]

So only way for Intel to give same battery backup is to provide a Atom/celeron level chip?

[@abaj006]

Lunar lake is just too weak. I bet if you disable cores on Snapdragon or AMD to just 8, they too would get significantly better battery life.

[@justryitmyway]

I bought this machine and returned it 3 hours later. Horribly slow, runs way too hot. It's nice to look at, but Asus makes utter garbage computers.

[@JustJoshTech]

What were you doing on it? Are you sure it's this model?

[@salomonboga5280]

Ya'll make great videos. Advice, she needs to slow down. We're not going anywhere!

[@JustJoshTech]

We are experimenting with some pacing changes. Your feedback is noted

[@canedr7883]

​​@@JustJoshTech i like when she speaks fast tho

[@azhyhama9649]

Actually no, I like to get the point across faster. She is clear.

[@jamesklusener]

I think she speaks just fine, great host!

[@wlcrutch]

Except it runs Windows….😢

[@Andrey-il8rh]

To me this is a benefit

[@barriemoorcroft534]

My ears are bleeding.