Zero vs Kira - Cross Examination | Code Geass & Death Note

[@shienamae5736]

While Light see himself as the player, Lelouch, on the other hand, see himself as the king (another piece on the chess who's standing on the same board as everyone else).

[@justinian-the-great]

I'm pretty sure that Light doesn't see himself as just the player, but as...hmm, how did he put it? Ah yes, as the GOD OF THE NEW WORLD!

[@asdfkeyboard9807]

@@justinian-the-great Which is the player since they control everything and aren't on the board itself

[@mohsiniqbal3492]

@@asdfkeyboard9807 a player is somone who has to try in order to win the game where as light being delusional thinking that he is a God in which it means he controls fate and doesn't have to worry about the small insects on or off the chess board cuz god is beyond and above all else whilst a player must try in order to prevail

[@asdfkeyboard9807]

@@mohsiniqbal3492 Which is still the player, coz in chess the player is unaffected by anything, he just moves the pieces on the board, lelouch was still on the board itself

[@jinruich]

@@asdfkeyboard9807 which is what led to Light's death. He thought he was a god/player when he was also just a piece on the board with everyone else. it made him cocky and overconfident and fell for Near's trap then died pathetically. In code geass Lelouch knew he was nothing but a piece himself. That's why after his defeat from Cornelia his plans became more complex and thought through because he knew a single mistake could get him killed.

[@Crawji]

Light would sacrifice his sister for his plan, Lelouch would sacrifice his plan for his sister

[@pinkmockingjay88]

ikr i was shocked when Kira wanted to sacrifice Sayu just for the death note

[@zage5495]

Lelouch also adapts to unexpected events better

[@shyamk1103]

@@pinkmockingjay88 you are forgetting that the death note is with a criminal. He even threatened president of us that he would make president start a nuclear war. The president committed suicide because he didn't want to start a war. It's incredibly dangerous to leave death note in mello's hands. But yet he decided not to kill her and thought about some other plan.

[@mal5245]

This might've been the case at the beginning of the show, but one very important thing to mention that I'm sad wasn't touched on in this video is how lelouch's motives change DRASTICALLY at the end, once he's abandoned by the black Knights, his goal is no longer to destroy Britannia for a better future for his sister, his goal is to become the demon in the eyes of everyone in order to creat a better future for everyone, not just his sister. We directly see this happen in 2 scenes, #1 when he's video talking with his sister (who he presumed to be dead at that point) and tells her that he never cared about her and only did everything for his own gain, trying to keep up with the "demon" facade that he's been working on. And the second time was when they saw each other face to face and lelouch used his Geass on the one person he promised to never use it on, it becomes even more sad when we see her fall down the stairs and lelouch does absolutely nothing about it. Sorry if I rambled too long lmao, just kinda sad that this type of character Motiv Change wasn't talked about

[@ihtishamhussain1785]

@@mal5245 wasn’t mentioned because his plan still fit to what he wanted in the beginning

[@Rjm00]

Something lelouch says frequently throughout the series the only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed and light was not prepared to be killed that alone makes lelouch a much better character to me

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

I'd say Lelouch _HAS_ a higher calibur of character, but I'm not 100% sure that he _IS_ the better character. From an intellectual standpoint both are massively intriguing.

[@thewildcardperson]

@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 I disagree one took over the world.and established world.peace the other couldn't outsmart a detective with a god of death on his side Lelouch got to tell people what to do once Lelouch for me is the greatest character ever why he's the hero in the story then becomes its villain to just twist into bring an even bigger hero and he wins both as a villain and a hero I've never seen a story do that especially not with its hero

[@justified6280]

Lelouch wasn’t prepared to die until he achieved victory.

[@twiggytimes5778]

i wouldnt really say light wasnt prepare to be killed it was just that he died without truly achieving his goal thats why struggled so much and wanted to live i think if light achieved his goal then he would 100% would be prepared to die

[@Silentguy_78]

@@thewildcardperson lelouch caused chaos so i wouldnt say he established the world

[@brianlowe904]

Lelouch mastered the mask while the mask mastered light

[@EdwardVelez]

That pretty much sums it up.

[@nullakjg767]

Code geass wouldve been 1 episode long if he obtained the death note. There was an obvious problem with the world that could be solved by killing one man. He had an actual evil to fight against. Light tried to fight the evil within people. And succeeded for the duration he was alive but its an endless goal. If light only had to defeat britannia, i doubt he would have been corrupted.

[@dandyman2182]

False kira may have lost in the end but the vision for the world light yagami made jnepisode one was realized in kiras death he may have fallen from grace but in the end he left A world without war and with. A lasting fear in the hearts of criminals around the world as well as becoming a religious figure for alot of people to the point that in the one shot minoru a genius with enough morals to never even think of killing another veliewed light as an admirable hero even after learning of the bad he did dispite the education system trying to enforce the opposite idea of kira, lights dream required kira to die "" but if you do that you'll be the last bad person left" ryuk says something to this effect and he's entirely right in the end light made his new worlds at the cost of his life and soul

[@EdwardVelez]

@@dandyman2182 People aren't so quick to give up. As long as humanity is willing there will always be a way. It's just who people are. Kira failed in the end because of what he was trying to do and become. Which, you could argue he did became a godlike person. He failed at creating a world like he planned because he only suppressed humanity like a dictator. That being said, the world necessary to achieve the goal of Kira isn't possible unless you create a world like Charles envisioned or something similar. Which would mean creating a world where you'd basically be a zombie.

[@Neuroticmancer]

@@nullakjg767 no light was always waiting for power and he didn’t have the trauma of being abused by those in power, like lelouche had, to ever wield responsibly

[@garywillig5143]

The differences are numerous. Lelouch faced a broken system that truly needed someone to come along and fix it. Light just decided to be judge jury and executioner even to those who were already sentenced and punished by society. Lelocuh thought of himself as a king who had responsibilities - 'if the king doesn't lead' - while Light thought of himself as a god who was owed everything and was not required to give anything. Lelouch had lines he would not cross and limits to how far he would push his power, while Light began using the Death Note on people he knew to be good the moment he started facing opposition. Lelouch, knowing he could only use his power once per person, still never used it to make people his slaves who would obey any order until the very end, when he was planning to take himself out with his father and then needed a fearless army to take on a space station that shoots unlimited nukes. Lastly, Lelouch was constantly learning and growing. He learned from C.C., from Milly, from Suzaku, from Shirley. He learned to fight for others and not just for Nunally. Light never grew after he decided to become god. He was the same in episode 37 as he was in episode 2. Even if he learned more about his enemies or his powers, he didn't learn anything about life or people.

[@thanosnoctem4473]

couldn't have said better.

[@zence9073]

This is remarkable and so accurate light didn’t show growth in compassion he only became more narcissistic and put on a God like persona. What they were fighting for separates them as characters both for personally deemed justice but 1 stayed true to the people more or less.

[@shyamk1103]

I think you are wrong about light...

[@umartahir9889]

@@shyamk1103 same. I think light grew as a character and I feel half of the fan base only hate him because he killed L

[@shyamk1103]

@@umartahir9889 not exactly. For them, if someone kill innocents then he is villain. So they make themselves hate him. The more he kill innocent the more they hate him. But killing L was also a reason.

[@joshualally2883]

Lelouch: "I Lelouch Vi Britannia order you to..." Light *gets out a black notepad* : "One sec, 'Lelouch Vi Britannia' . How do you spell that?"

[@QAZWSXEDCRFV4579]

got a genuine laugh out of me, thanks

[@footballph2707]

That's how Light will lose

[@David-hw8oi]

The fact that lelouch lamperouge was his official name, and lelouch only said his real name when activating geass (prior to being emperor) would surely give Light a migraine.

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

Lelouch: Oh easy, L I G H T Y A G A M I.

[@felciajacintha6613]

@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Light yagami also known as "I'm a gay" backwards

[@TheCrispAlien]

Light gets a goth Willam Defoe with an apple addiction, while Lelouche gets an attractive immortal girl with a pizza addiction.

[@19_pisces_85]

on point lol

[@achintya-7]

C2 will never get old you know ..

[@unendingvoid]

@@achintya-7 She is perfect

[@n0one202]

I prefer William Dafoe cus he plays video games

[@l4zy332]

lelouch is better than light but I like willam defoe better than c2 ngl

[@cherryasmr2779]

⚠️SPOILERS⚠️ The main difference is that Light thought of himself as a God while Lelouch compared himself with the Devil. Lelouch was aware that what he was doing was morally wrong but he accepted it and in the end made up for everything. Light however never admitted to being wrong and a criminal, that arrogance is what got him killed in the end. Both of them are amazing examples of villainous protagonists and will always be 2 of my favorite characters.

[@lightyagami5972]

Perfectly said

[@mysteriousguy666]

Real winner was light he can not lose to near it was mikami fault

[@milefiori7694]

He did have massive moral dilemma in the first encounter with Death Note though that caused him to have nightmare for days, but in the end he managed to brainwashed himself to think that it's godsend meant for him to change the world. So yeah the timeline is reverse here.

[@milefiori7694]

He did have massive moral dilemma in the first encounter with Death Note though that caused him to have nightmare for days, but in the end he managed to brainwashed himself to think that it's godsend meant for him to change the world. So yeah the timeline is reverse here.

[@Anonymous-ys9gl]

@@mysteriousguy666 It was his fault that he chose Mikami. Real winner is Lelouch, he achieved what he wanted (a gentle world for his sister to live in) and died knowing he had fulfilled his purpose while Light died frustrated without accomplishing what he sought to do .

[@brianlowe904]

Also wanted to add what I think is a pretty neat coincidence. Geass is a power who’s worse impulses can be overcome While The death note seems to be an all corrupting force and the only true mark of strength is ignoring its power. I think this is a really cool difference(although I don’t think it’s intentional) because death note and light are linked to Christian dualism and the concept that absolute power corrupts absolutely. While geass, and it’s very name are more linked to older myths were being a hero is just based off of having extraordinary power where it’s the manner in how that power is used is what makes that person good or evil. It’s a neat coincidence

[@TheLPRnetwork]

King Carrels had the power to turn one's life into a lie yet He wanted a world without lies. Mao could heard others thoughts but only cared about his own C2 had the power of love yet was always cold and blunt towards almost everyone, Mao being the key example.

[@shiranuiprestonsaga8867]

Death Note also has some amazing parallels to Buddhism aswell which basically says the same thing about absolute power.

[@footballph2707]

That's the definition of power well done said man👑🙏💯

[@Neuroticmancer]

Lelouch experienced direct trauma from those in power. Light was a rich psychotic son of a cop. He’d never experienced death or pain or loss. Not like lelouch. That’s the difference. Lelouch may have questionable methods, but he has righteous cause birthed from his material circumstances. Light may have ‘righteous cause’ but it’s purely hypothetical, it’s not lived. He sees himself as a paternal authority figure like his dad, or better than his dad. He’s a solipsist. He literally declares himself god, and then has to experience the trauma of being god but dying a human death, thus imagining that the world will end with him, like any solipsist. Lelouch does everything to create a better world past his existence. It’s genuinely selfless, unlike light.

[@Neuroticmancer]

Then again I think lelouch is richer than light, but still less powerful? Before geass

[@Neuroticmancer]

@Amey Tiwari ah well there you go

[@benmunro8921]

I feel like describing light as rich is kind of a bad way of describing him. He seems like he has a normal home and money literally never had anything to do with the series. Weird way to describe light

[@Neuroticmancer]

@@benmunro8921 upper middle class. His dad is the chief of police. He’s in a very privileged position

[@thewildcardperson]

one took over the entire world. then gave it up for world peace the other had a God complex and got killed by a police squad

[@flickering.candle]

9:09 I recall Lelouch stating that he would’ve gone through with his plans regardless of whether he had Geass or not, and that gaining Geass only sped up the process.

[@KatoBeyond]

Hard to say what those original plans were, but it seems likely he only had plans to kill his father and get revenge. With Geass, his ambitions grew to creating Nunnally's world

[@ThePurpleKnightmare]

@@KatoBeyond No his plan was to "Obliterate Brittania"

[@KatoBeyond]

@@ThePurpleKnightmare Again, that doesn't really tell us much. Charles could be what he meant by Britannia.

[@terrormansakata9626]

@@KatoBeyond Britannia is more corrupt than just its leader

[@cephery8482]

@@terrormansakata9626 but lelouch had a very childlike image of destroying Britannia until well into the series.

[@Freiya-]

Light is just a lawful good sociopath, lelouch is a chaotic good actual person. And yeah easy dub for lelouch, 70-30 are good odds

[@KatherinaBathory]

I think Light is lawful evil anyway, at least if we are strick to the typing. But Lelouch is totally chaotic good xP

[@Antieeverything]

Light is most definitely *not* any good alignment, and the show spares no effort in letting you know that Light is not the hero. I'd argue he's chaotic evil but that would require a deep analysis of all of his actions and what one determines as lawful. Lelouch is either lawful or neutral evil.

[@Neuroticmancer]

They’re lawful and chaotic neutral, surely?

[@tandemdwarf745]

@@Neuroticmancer Lelouch's only goal is to make a better world, but he takes evil actions to achieve that goal, making him Chaotic Good. Light to me makes the most sense as Neutral Evil, as his actions are not random or lawful according to the law, but follow something more akin to a personal code which would make him Neutral, and wants to become a god and rule over everything, which I would say is an evil goal.

[@Neuroticmancer]

@@tandemdwarf745 convincing argument

[@ajimit8669]

The difference between both: *Light was found out Light: I was found out? Why?! This is impossible! My plan was perfect! damn you Near! **proceed to cursing his enemies and the world* *Lelouch was found out Lelouch: I was found out huh.. I thought my plan was perfect. Ok then, it's time to change to plan B **literally changes plan on the go, beats the odd, and came out victorious* Yep, we have a clear winner here

[@elizabethpink721]

That is so accurate. Light is so arrogant he doesn’t even think he needs a plan B, he thinks he is so above everyone he would never need one, whereas Lelouch doesn’t think he is so superior to his opponents, so he plans.

[@YunoGasai414]

Except we already have established that the ending of Death Note, where Near faked a death note containig 250'000 names in one night is scientifically impossible. There is a KZbin video about it. It's flawed writing and the author even said he wanted to let Light win and changed his mind when the publisher didn't like the ending. So we can say that Light _would_have won and that would have made him 1000x superior to Lelouch. There is no need for a plan B if plan A is perfect and that capsulates Light perfectly. He did't lose to Near, he lost to bad writing.

[@kringle7804]

Lelouch plan B was countered Lelouch: Damm *analysis the situation with near 100% accuracy and improvises so well it's almost like he planned it.

[@MoMo-vt2ij]

when lelouch got found out he got bailed by ralo

[@errwhattheflip]

Light had multiple plans though. Not pre-planned sure but he had them. His arguments about the merits of Kira was very compelling while he was stalling for time

[@sarveshnathan7559]

Light and Lelouch are two GOATed protagonists. But Lelouch is better for maintaining his humanity.

[@30Salmao]

A classical discussion. Miss more and more Code Geass's videos from you guys. Should never stop, love your work.

[@KatoBeyond]

There's more to come. This, I faithfully pledge: My love for Code Geass will never wither!

[@30Salmao]

@@KatoBeyond So do I. All Hail Lelouch!

[@Kiralucy]

Light playing normal chess, lelouche playing galaxy level chess. I actually love both characters, watched both animes growing up in my teenage years when they came out. Light loses himself to insanity and no one is able to pull him out, where as lelouch also loses himself quite often but its the people who care about him pull him out. Light's goals also changed, orginally he was trying to take out anyone who was evil but then he stop caring and anyone who he just didn't like he would go after. Lelouch was different and his statement which has stuck with me my whole life, only those prepared to fire should be fired at. Pretty much saying only those prepared to kill should be killed. Also ending wise lelouch died more noble then light yagami. Light yagami just showed he was batshit crazy and got shot up till the death god finished him off, where as lelouch conquered the world but for its freedom he knew he had to die by zero aka his best friend disguised as the symbol of peace.

[@freewyvern707]

The Galaxy-level chess is for Reinhard Von Lohengramm.

[@plugshirt1684]

Ending wise lelouch thinks he won while everything he did is now useless because he dies. He thinks it will create some kind of peace but it will only be temporary and likely one of his siblings will take over Britannia in his place. Light on the other hand loses and is completely aware of it. Overall I prefer the ending of death note as the desperation of light as he is realizing he is losing along with his speech are easily the best parts of the series while the ending of code geass feels like lelouch just threw away everything in a naive thought process that it will create world peace

[@QAZWSXEDCRFV4579]

@@plugshirt1684 I'm not sure I agree with you; yes. Lelouche's world peace is temporary, but it is still a better world for that temporary. Everything, after all, is ultimately temporary. That doesn't make it not worth fighting for. Not to mention, even once the peace does crumble and collapse, the framework of cooperation between the nations will help delay the fall and once it does fall, would, potentially, depending on specifics we are not privy to in the anime, still continue to make the world better to a lesser extent for a notable amount of time. Dismissing something as temporary seems unfounded, as temporary things are still noteworthy, important things.

[@ZBoy-rc8zf]

@@QAZWSXEDCRFV4579 very good way to look at it

[@plugshirt1684]

@@QAZWSXEDCRFV4579 there is a difference however between a couple months max of peace and working to try and make peace longer term

[@dunkbuscusgaming7016]

Except Light would need Misa or figure out his last name was Vi Britannia not Lamprouse or however you spell it. Which was the hardest part of the battle of wits between Light and L.

[@whybetrayerispoison5413]

Light dosent need misa tho he only used her bc he didn't want to shorten his life span

[@LDarlong]

@@whybetrayerispoison5413 which means he did need Misa. An old person might be able to lift up a heavy box but in turn would break his back which isn’t favorable hence, he would get someone else to do it, in this case Misa.

[@cephery8482]

Lelouch has 2 layers of fake names, hides his face in one persona. And has a literally immortal nameless person as his closest confidant. If light wants to kill zero specifically he’d be beyond fucked. If he knew enough that zero was lelouch lamperouge it probably wouldnt be as hard to get misa close enough to find his name. The real problem is if they’re competing, zero wants to kill kira and vice versa, lelouch can safely check anyone he even suspects, and checking light or misa insta wins for him. While light needs to find zeros identity first and then lelouch’s true identity.

[@whybetrayerispoison5413]

@@LDarlong yeah good analogy but light coulda got the eyes if he wanted

[@Justakatto]

@@whybetrayerispoison5413 but he didn't.. that's the point

[@aakarshasoka6335]

Perfect. Lelouch and Light are both fantastic Charachters.

[@72Worker]

Light is seen as perfectly perfect in every way while Lulu is seen as imperfect from the very beginning. It is Lulu's imperfections that make him more sympathetic.

[@sambunuh4581]

Another banger! And a good new look into the ever eternal light vs lelouch battle.

[@guncannon109]

Light is the child who became the god he thought the world wanted. Lelouch is the man who became the demon he knew the world needed.

[@guncannon109]

@DA BEAST That's truly only for the very start of the series. Mainly people say that the series ends when Light wins his battle with L, however there is a specific reason WHY it keeps going for as long as it did. People live in fear of Kira, the live their lives knowing at any moment they could be next and this isn't just among criminals. At the end of the day, sure, did Lelouch kill more innocent people than Light? Maybe? I don't really know the exact count as its been a little while. That being said its context that ultimately matters. Case and point, the events of Bloodstained Euphemia. Had Lelouch been able to avoid his small mistake, and gone for a peaceful resolution to that entire affair, I'm more than positive he would have. Now true, he did capitalize on the tragedy but he was aware of the consequences of his actions with each step he took. That's the ultimate difference between Light and Lelouch, only one of them realized the true fact of becoming a monster. The only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

[@guncannon109]

@DA BEAST "The series only continued cause you cant let Light win since he's the villian" That right there, at the end of the day Light was defeated while Lelouch achieved his goal. Also Lelouch has actual regret and loved ones he never cast to the side for the sake of his goals, two things Light forgot about.

[@guncannon109]

@DA BEAST Bruh, you're responding to ME. MY point was that Lelouch is ultimately the better character. Light is an imature child, thats why he lost. XD

[@0cidd0]

@dabeast5990all light suport was out of fear, or the tv show was for fame and money. Don’t forget thay the 2 kira kill almost everyone in the sakura tv because they don’t truly follow kira. If you say that was own free will you can say that leoluch too, he got the hole world following him in the end until he killed himself. He was the owner of every big organisation and every country

[@greenclonk1334]

I would be happy to see more Cross Examination! This was an interesting duo to start with, am looking forward to what other combos you guys will show us!

[@rueluxprince6982]

For me, Lelouch and his main contentions stood the test of time better. The question of "should we overhaul the entirety of a corrupt war-mongering racist colonizing state or should we inact social reform to better said state" is a very relevant question right now, and how to best achieve either of those goals is being keenly debated in law-making and activist circles. While's Light's contention of killing all criminals so there would be no crime becomes a lot stupider when we all know a lot more now about the school to prison pipeline, the prison industrial complex, the causation between poor infrastructure and crime rates, police brutality etc. So like, Lelouch all the way

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Another I'd like to see is Light Yagami vs Johan Leibert

[@KatoBeyond]

A great idea!

[@Makingking22]

Johan is better

[@shinji1264]

At least Johan is somewhat bound by logic/reason like light

[@mbuszka5295]

Light is like PUPPY, compared to Johan. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@arthurleywin4307]

Light will easily win

[@lightdark8263]

I just like like Lelouch's voice actor the best

[@sousuke7980]

Koroko no Basuke - Hanamiya Makoto (if you want more)

[@Legate_Blaezius]

Emperor lelouch has the same moral opinion as Light but we all know that is yet another mask worn by lelouch.

[@shienamae5736]

So, I watched Code Geass' picture and sound dramas and they made me pity Lelouch more especially that one sound drama entitled "The Uninvited Prince". These dramas are giving more depth to CG's characters. And unlike Light who grew up pretty normal (until he had the death note) , Lelouch actually faced hardship and was standing eye to eye with the unfortunates.

[@SebasTian58323]

Great video! I think one of the biggest differences between the two is that, while Lelouch does stumble a couple of times, ultimately he does both achieve his goal and live up to one of his own philosophies. "The only ones who should kill, are those prepared to be killed." He ultimately does plan his own death, proving that it applies even to himself. Obviously, he didn't want to die before he had made the world his sister could live peacefully in, but he realized that for it to exist, he'd need to be killed after he got the entire world to hate him. He didn't care that he'd be remembered as a demon who betrayed the world, as long as his sister was able to live peacefully. Another big difference is how he was affected by how his actions affected those around him.

[@Destined_Death]

I love how both dub actors of Lelouch and Light are amazing

[@ajimit8669]

the funny thing is, considering Lelouch and Light moral alignment is the opposite, put them in the same universe and they will fight each other eventually.

[@micromints1735]

Light would quickly wipe out the Britannians for the whole social Darwinism and racism shit and then immediately put the world under new management and then Louch would go and have to mop things up but at least he wouldn’t have to navigate the 500 interflicting racial tensions.

[@Whereiscloud]

Facts And I think Lelouch would find out that Light is Kira before Light finds out Lelouch is Zero

[@RiptideST]

@@Whereiscloudnot necessarily. Lelouch doesn’t have the same type of intelligence that L has, so it would be harder for him to figure Light out. I just don’t see Lelouch using the same methods as L. It’d probably be easier to find out who Zero is than who Kira is anyway, since plenty of criteria are already lined up for Zero, and not Kira.

[@NickWengz]

I prefer Death Note to Code Geass, but in a game of wits between the two. Lelouch would basically have to try to lose.

[@mlovestosleep]

Exactly

[@Bobo-gu1cb]

@@mlovestosleep ayyy dangaropa fan

[@user-lg8rk4td8y]

After "L" died, Death Note was just boring. The 2nd Part sucked like the 2nd Part of SAO S1

[@youareuseless9703]

@@user-lg8rk4td8y agreed

[@chaoticstarfish3401]

@@user-lg8rk4td8y I liked it

[@morena6717]

Lelouch is easily my favourite character ever! He did evil things, but he was also very human. He didn't want power and in order to accomplish his plan, he sacrificed everything he had! More than once he paid a high price for his actions! . . . . . . . . When he thought he had no other choice, he even trapped himself in the other dimension with his father in order to stop him! And his arc is superb! When even his sister, the one he was doing all this for, turned against him, he knew he had gone too far to give up and understand he needs to do it for everyone, and not just for her. His story is heartbreaking!

[@jonathannoree7413]

Seems fun, a battle between two protagonists from two masterpiece animes.

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

I was thinking if it's a cool idea if you made a video who would win. Literally, Lelouch hides his identity secretive without knowing his name Light is helpless while Lelouch can come up and command him to kill himself or be his servant.

[@cephery8482]

It depends on starting points. Like if they only know each other as zero and kira light has no chance but lelouch would have to test people one by one with geass.

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

@@cephery8482 Lelouch has Rolo, C.C. and Orange plus he can do one million zero

[@cephery8482]

@@ryanrodriguez2498 and how do they really help? It’s not a military battle its about information. And his best information officer is just a brittanian insider not a real investigator

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

@@cephery8482 Lelouch has C.C. Who is immortal and he has Rolo that can manipulate time plus he has Dietard a computer hacker and a quite smart

[@cephery8482]

@@ryanrodriguez2498 name one thing dietard found out that wasnt exclusively cause of his media ties. We dont even see him hack anything. Plus zero has a much harder time using the strategies L did. For example, the Lind L taylor trick would get them a brittanian raid, and they wont have invested in access to the prison system databases to track the patterns of most of kiras killings. I still think lelouch wins but it would be a very slow trial and error process

[@dragonknight1560]

Light: I can write your name and then- Zero shoots him down: You were saying? Okay be honest, Lelouch and Light are great characters (though I prefer Lelouch more because his genius always ups his opponent's) but in a fight... 80% of the time Lelouch wins. Like Zero only needs to do is look at Light and boom, Geas (reveal his target as Kira or commit death to the king) and if revealed, Zero shoots him because Zero always has the means to get rid of his opponent with other means. Light needs to figure out who Zero is, and write Lelouch's REAL NAME and if he ends up with Lamperouge, GG for Zero but Light (which given more time) learns it's vi Britannia, GG for Light. Light can win without any difficulty but the special part about Lelouch is how much smarter he is against his foes and his use of his power with his Geas is far superior in usage. As for their character... Lelouch, again. He's done horrible acts, committed numerous deaths (even those he didn't mean to) and yet has the most "compassion". He still has his emotions, he still thinks of himself as human. Even with the godly power of the King Command, Lelouch did all of this for revenge, for Nunnally, for himself... and eventually for everyone. He even became a demon emperor just so the world could hate him and begin a journey to true peace. Light always had the potential to be good but his ego, his soul tainted by the Death Note made him into a monster. I think if Lelouch got the Death Note, he would just destroy it, deeming it as a thing that should never exist even among men. His sense of justice is far stronger.

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

Suzaku has Sasuke and Ben tennyson’s dub voice

[@aeatinggoat]

As said by a very wise man *Lellouch Manipulated an entire country, while Light played tag with a Letter for like 20 episodes*

[@avalle4493]

An important diference is that Lelouch NEVER justify himself. He take full responsability of everything that happened. He is a King that is prepared to carry all the sins and hate of his people. Meanwhile Light always claim to be justice and always justify his actions.

[@anaccountmusthaveaname9110]

Is leaving others to fix your mess taking full responsibility?

[@akachiubani-ebere9497]

@@anaccountmusthaveaname9110 maybe not full responsibility, but he still takes some responsibility, and still never tries to sugarcoat the things he has done and accepts what he has done is wrong.

[@anaccountmusthaveaname9110]

@@akachiubani-ebere9497 "I saw the problems and I killed countless people without fixing any of them. Now I'm gonna nope out so go figure things out yourselves. Enjoy the power vacuum."

[@suncanny1418]

@@anaccountmusthaveaname9110 It's so strange how people have this misconception that everything in the Code Geass world is perfect after Lelouch's death.

[@tobyskyjr]

LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA

[@dakota2327]

Another compelling analysis, Kato. I can't say I agree with every point, but I definitely always enjoy hearing your thoughts, especially about stories/issues I often think about myself. Keep the Code Geass content coming! 👌 Also, I recently made a video about this very subject. If you're looking for more musings on these characters, give it a watch and let me know your thoughts! m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jofOYptng76on7s

[@happymemories_videography]

These two are very different. Kira fell and lost sight of the end of the road while Zero sacrificed himself to protect the world and he could see the end of the road.

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m16zmaWOnsuFqKc Start from 3:25 to the end where you'll find Lelouch vs Kira

[@AsuraQin]

Honestly what's cooler about both's respective death is this. Light made himself essential to the plan for true peace therefore it was doomed to fail. Lelouch established himself as a figurehead for all people to hate so that when he died, true peace was given to the world with only himself as an expendable pawn for that goal.

[@MD-ki7qw]

Whoooo idk if a video has been made comparing these two but yeeeee! My top 2 and 3 anime against each other!

[@zeehero7280]

Light has a point that what matters most is actions, not thoughts. people can think whatever they want and it won't make a real difference if they DO what is right. However, it is important to note that the more you think evil, the easier it becomes to DO evil. And light can't shrug off his own crimes like that, he still is doing evil, unlawfully killing people, even if evil people, but even more so innocents.

[@Solderboy212]

I like how humane this comments section is between the two great characters but opposite personalities.

[@LelouchWasTaken]

Lelouch > All. ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

[@justinlindfors8512]

We needed this for a long time...

[@Twenteen2]

love that I can hear beef rap in the background. respect brother

[@crabulaunch4754]

The only thing that made me want to stop watching code geass was everything good kept going horribly wrong and it was hurting my soul other than that it was great

[@calico.5588]

you better fucking finish it

[@lonelypancake5979]

Same here, crushed my soul more than once. I powered on though, and my god was it worth it.

[@crabulaunch4754]

@@calico.5588 already did

[@hasaki9000]

Im the only one who laughs when a character dies ? Ughh

[@lonelypancake5979]

@@hasaki9000 Nobel six: am I a joke to you?

[@loganx1039]

Lelouch changed the world by being its common enemy. He did it out of love. Everything kira did was a kid with a god complex would do. He cared about nothing but himself.

[@lasa0031]

did you switch the introduction of each character to more fit the other? because thats how it felt like to me XD.

[@KatoBeyond]

That was intentional.

[@fizzervc7264]

IMO Lelouch is one of the best characters ever written in the history of fiction while Light I still think is a good well written character (even though I personally don't really him very much) there aren't many characters that can compete with Lelouch.

[@theerthapk1391]

Agreee

[@randomdistruction]

Lelouch is my favorite anime MC for several reasons and nobody can argue that he is atleast up there with the greats

[@archivesoffantasy5560]

He’s my favourite protagonist in all fiction.

[@deathcart4446]

At least the two of them stay true to themeselves till the end unlike Eren

[@puredemon6349]

Another Great video!

[@ParkourCutieSpicy]

I know a lot of people cover this whole lelouch v light topic, but I think this is among the best covered one

[@darthnut7089]

Code Geass is my favorite anime of all time but Death Note is also in my top 5 and I think both Light and Lelouch are top 5 anime protagonist of all time.

[@plugshirt1684]

Both animes are great with quite a few big flaws but their protagonists are some of the best in any anime

[@dubiouscheese4430]

List your top 5 pls

[@darthnut7089]

@@dubiouscheese4430 1. Code Geass 2. One Piece 3. FMAB 4. Death Note 5. HxH

[@dubiouscheese4430]

@@darthnut7089 my top 5 similar. Haven't seen Hunter X Hunter so I will replace it with steins gate.

[@plugshirt1684]

@@dubiouscheese4430 damn you guys are reminding me I should probably get around to watching a lot of the hundred episodes long shonens I haven’t gotten around to yet

[@ebag7455]

ive benn asking for this for so long thank you

[@watermeloncherry]

Great video !

[@temptyy_]

Good upload

[@RanVor]

I happen to be of the opinion that the similarities between Light and Lelouch are, for the most part, superficial. If there's a character in Code Geass who makes for a suitable comparison for Light, it's Schneizel. I've come to the conclusion, though, that the most important distinction between Kira and Zero is that Light is, simply put, delusional. He operates on a broken, black-and-white moral logic that completely excludes the possibility of him being anything but a saint. Everyone who opposes him is evil by definition. Not unlike Suzaku, in a way. Meanwhile, Lelouch never lies to himself about what kind of person he is. He knows he's going to have to pay for his crimes eventually and he accepts that as a price for changing the world with the "wrong" methods.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

Light was a sociopath and/or narcissist who did everything for himself and viewed everything as a game. Lelouch was a person who hated what he had to do but did everything for someone else (even if he fundamentally misunderstood what she actually wanted). Light is more like Walter White than he is like Lelouch, and Walt's last line to Skyler pretty much could sum up Light's character as well (if he ever had the honesty with himself to admit it anyway). "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And...I was...really...I was alive"

[@zacharypreval3186]

Light: an evil god Lelouch: a heroic devil

[@leobastian_]

i was expecting another death note villain with lelouch when i watched Code geass and i was genuinely surprised by that scene in i think episode 3 were lelouch has to puke at the memory of killing clovis. outside of the first episode and the scenes when he lost his memories, Light never really doubted himself and if what he did was right or wrong. Lelouch constantly does it.

[@sirensong1794]

it occured to me recently that light's detached sense of justice despite not suffering an injustice himself and his judgement on those who oppose him takes a whole new light (hah) when you take into account his father being a police officer. he likely grew up hearing about his father's job and the frustration he felt when letting criminals get away, you can easily see how it fostered a black and white mentality in light of guilty/not guilty, and what makes it worse is that japan has a very high conviction rate because it's the police often don't want to accept they made a false arrest. definitely a cultural context that would contribute to light's mindset.

[@rosylagoon3600]

This channel is criminally underrated. Well done 👍

[@MasterKnightDH]

Lelouch: I have made eye contact with you, Light Yagami who I now suspect to be Kira. Good game.

[@ninebrains4769]

I see Light vs Lelouch as narcissist sociopath vs schizoid personality disorder. Of course, the latter wins in almost any regard.

[@AG-en5y]

Great work

[@rajaryan7580]

Great video

[@webtely]

It's been confirmed by the creators that Light was pure evil and by the end of the series he truly was, he had good intentions in the beginning but he lost his way. Lelouch was never evil even though he did some evil things he did it for the greater good, he did it because he knew there was no other way. He believed that in order to vanquish evil he must become evil. Also unlike Light who never cared about anyone l Lelouch cared about people around him like his sisters, friends and saved them many times. Lelouch also sacrificed himself so that his sister's dream becomes a reality Light would never do something like that Light wanted to attain god status by using the death note, he wanted you reshape the world into what he wanted it to be, a world he will be all powerful and considered a god among men.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Granted I'm biased because I'm the exact same in mindset but I never did feel Light ever did an evil thing (up to L's death, past that idk but I doubt it). Everything he says logically follows from a materialist utilitarian standpoint, even the point about how going against him is an unforgivable sin even if they are a great person otherwise. But I also say mostly the same about Zero

[@KatoBeyond]

What about the FBI agents?

[@Neuroticmancer]

Bro, light is living out the societal concept of The Leviathan. That a terrorfying, paternal authoritarian force needs to exist or you’ll eat your mothers face. I think it’s a sad idea thought up by the rich and fearful. Lelouch actually works to build a better world after his death. Light has no plans for a world post his death, because of his solipsism that allows him to become Kira and never have a nervous breakdown. Like he immediately gets comfortable being a god. He always saw himself like that, just never had a way to rationalise it to himself before the death note

[@HxH2011DRA]

@@KatoBeyond Joke Answer: ACAB Real (Woke) Answer: The FBI is a criminal organization that creates far more cases than it actually solves what with planting evidence, agent provocateurs, inticing crimes from vulnerable individuals, & that's just all the stuff they admit to. Since Death Note takes place in our world no reasonable person with all the facts can say that the organization as a whole holds the utilitarian high ground- that is to say it'd be better if every person in that organization died, even the "good ones", to make the world a better place. While there is no direct evidence those agents in the series did any of those things they must still be held accountable if they seek to usper an entity wishing to reform such an institution. In the words of one Barret Wallace "A good man who servers a great evil is not without sin." Bespoke answer: ACAB

[@HxH2011DRA]

@@Neuroticmancer Imagine thinking Hobbes wasn't right lol (almost all ideas we get from the past are passed down by the rich, only the elite can afford the institutions necessary to past down knowledge for centuries after all)

[@Neuroticmancer]

@@HxH2011DRA it’s depressing you think that if you’re genuinely anti fed and cop. I unfortunately can’t recommend counter thinkers from the top of my head, maybe David graeber? Marx obviously. Oh Bertrand Russell is great. It’s a sad view of humanity to believe we’d be doomed without an authoritarian force in the world. Like, I don’t think if you took away all hierarchies now everyone would be chill, cus we’ve been raised and socialised in this system. But I do think a better, brighter, freer and fairer world is possible if you work aggressively and selflessly towards it. Like, none of us alive right now will ever see it. But I still believe our species can be better without a parental god figure in the room. I think the human race can come into consciousness, collectively, eventually. Thus any mission to retain the status quo, for fear of what the poor would do if they were less afraid, is tragic honestly

[@M12GProductions]

Here's all you need to know: both died, but only one won.

[@top-notch8277]

Damn facts

[@rammieliverson9061]

What if light actually killed an innocent people that he thought was a criminal? On the other hand leleouch would know if someone is innocent or not

[@freewyvern707]

Given that wrongful convictions make up about 6% of cases, around 6% of Light's victims were completely innocent.

[@plugshirt1684]

I assume light knows some of the criminals he kills are innocent and he doesn’t care in the slightest with the ideals of having to crack a few eggs to make an omelette. It would be nearly impossible to do what he is doing without killing a single innocent person

[@Usernamesdontmatter1]

@@freewyvern707 I argue that statistic is much higher than reported but the legal system rarely overturns wrongful convictions.

[@joshua.johnson]

5:04 but to Light’s credit, his logic checks out. What a person does outwardly is a direct reflection of their inward qualities.

[@ChuckNorris36999]

I love both characters but i favor with lelouch

[@theerthapk1391]

Me too

[@frostsmaker8966]

0:14, It stills been compared till now. Code Geass and Death Note are the best anime I have ever watched in the last 15 years. Attack on Titan is a candidate for the next one, but we will see later.

[@ajflink]

There needs to be more shows like Code Geass and Death Note that are extremely entertaining and have ver deep questions and present forth the dilemma of morality and showing that even people with beautiful intentions have dark means of accomplishing them and are willing to cast their souls and lives away if it means achieving it and making it a reality. I was in a dark place and after watching Code Geass I reevaluated my life and sought to make it better and improve myself instead of just seeing only negative outcomes to making a difference. People NEED to stop comparing Code Geass against each other comparing Light/Kira against Lelouch. It would be like a parent verbally insulting one of their twin children and praising the other in front of them both. They have very similar surface details to each other. Both have uncharacteristically grand voice acting with English and Japanese boice actors, the main character wishes to correct the suffering and corruption in the world by any means but like the easy means to take the first step, have younger sister that they aim to make this new future for, both are granted powers that allow them to begin this global change into a better tomorrow, both's powers/gifts are extremely useful and advantageous but have strict limitations and potentially detrimental downsides, and have minds that would make people Albert Einstein either proud or jealous. However, aside from that, the shows are completely different.

[@dementiamaster2]

The problems with the intelligence between lelouche and light is, when lelouche doesone if his plans it almost works every time, but we don't know why it was so smart. Lelouche seems to know the things from the get go. All the military manoeuvers are known to him because he knows his family. there were years between him getting to exile (or died in the eyes of a lot of his family members) and they seem to havent improved at all since then. While Light doesn't always make the smartest move, but eitherway explains to the audience why he did it. And I could almost everytime see why he did it with his explanation. A few of the stupid things he did: killing lind l. Taylor, killing the fbi, make misa write a useless letter, and trusting mikami too much. Are all born from his ego, the one thing bigger than his intelligence.

[@tandemdwarf745]

Lelouch DID make mistakes, even against his family members. After his first excursion as Zero, his ego gets a bit out of hand and he rushes to take on Cornelia. If you recall, he survives that encounter by the skin of his teeth solely because CC decides to help him. That's the best example, but Lelouch loses quite often, When Suzaku uses the Fleija, when the Black Knights betray him, when Rolo kills Shirley, When Nunnally is kidnapped at the end of season one and when she joins Charles at the end of season two. Also, the military HAS improved since Lelouch was a kid, we see that the Knightmares from the invasion of Japan get absolutely bodied by the newer ones. Lelouch does have a leg up in terms of military strategy, but we see that his strategies are challenged and not always successful, and that he is forced to learn from his mistakes. Also, many of his plans, such as dressing everyone up as Zero and smuggling them off the continent or the entire Zero Requiem are 20% strategy he would have learned and 80% him coming up with his own great ideas.

[@dementiamaster2]

@@tandemdwarf745 I agree. My point is Light is treated as flawless sometimes, while everyone agrees lelouche hast character flaws. They are both flawed.

[@Kaz-lf2tl]

Light was only able to do what he did because the conditions were right but lelouch on the other hand had to set up the conditions.

[@RowdyruffPrincess]

As a teenager, I thought they were both cool as hell. As an Adult I love Lelouch more than ever and Delight in how Utterly Pathetic Light truly is. Lelouch has the larger than life ambition and grandeur as a character and Leader that Light can only ever delude himself into thinking he possesses. Throughout everything Light detaches more and more from reality till it all crashes down on him at once. Lelouch accepts more and more HArsh realities of what it will take to achieve his Ambitions until he accepts Death and the eternal staining of his memory for all but those who know him best. Theyre both painfully human in different ways.

[@hatster401]

You read Lelouch's character COMPLETELY differently than I did while watching, but I like your interpretation

[@enkiimuto1041]

Unpopular opinion: I always felt like Light being perfect at everything was a bit mary sueish. I mean, even lelouch couldn't run for his life.

[@MeRu_Artifex]

I think thats the point. He is perfect (at least in his eyes), such that he could never find fault in his attitude or actions. Light had everything but wasnt satisfied and that lead to his downfall. Being good or even perfect doesnt make a mary sue. A mary sue is one that distorts the established rules of the story by virtue of being alive. Light being perfect is the premise of Death Note imo. No story happens if Light was a regular guy

[@kitkat7074]

Except he had flaws that have consequences. The whole reason why there was a conflict in the first place was because he got baited by L in episode 2, and his flaws are what caused him to lose in the end.

[@lelouchlamperouge3566]

@@kitkat7074 we knew he had flaws but light didn't he view himself as a perfect being kinda like a god

[@plugshirt1684]

He is perfect at what he does but being a mentally deranged sociopath with a god complex while also being super prideful and arrogant. His pride and arrogance screw him over multiple times. As for lelouch his main problem is that he was motivated by emotion as well as being prideful as he could have easily killed suzaku and many others but let pride and friendship get in the way

[@Elitus]

Yeah Lelouch cant run at all cause he has shit stamina

[@howtheworldworks3]

I agree. I find Kira to be a selfish, narcissistic piece of shit while Lelouch maybe be selfish too but at least he is far more fair whenever possible. Light is the failed anti-hero while Lelouch is the successful version of it.

[@kaif4572]

light is a straight up villain, not an anti hero

[@howtheworldworks3]

@@kaif4572 I don't think so. His end goal revolved around making the world better and more peaceful and funny enough he did it to an extent by creating fear in wannabe criminals but at the end of the day those are not villain motivations. They are a mixed bad and that's why there is this specific category of the anti-hero. They are neither good enough or bad enough to be a hero or a villain. Even so you can rank even this kind of anti-hero character based on each case. One of the best antiheroes I have ever seen is actually Lelouch and when you compare him to third rate shit anti-heroes like Light it's inevitable that the worst of them would look a lot more like a villain.

[@ZZPikachu]

@@howtheworldworks3anti-hero is a super broad spectrum though, you realize that right? While Light and Lelouch can both be categorized as anti-hero’s, Light is obviously the more villainous of the two. Death Note never tries to hide that fact, Lights an asshole. Code Geass tries to make Lelouch more sympathetic, to the point where his end goal in the final episodes is clearly meant to be that of someone heroic. In this regard, Lelouch despite his flaws, is far closer to being a hero then a villain, while Light is far closer to being a villain despite having somewhat virtuous goals (also his goal wasn’t just to make the world a better place, he also desired to become a god, a goal that is obviously not a heroic motivation).

[@howtheworldworks3]

@@ZZPikachu I agree that one is closer to hero and the other one is closer to villain but at the same time I really think that they both fit the anti-hero category because they both create that better world in the end and they both do horrible things in the process to achieve that end. That is my definition of anti-hero.

[@ZZPikachu]

@@howtheworldworks3 I’m not saying you’re wrong, you’re definitely right. They’re both anti-hero’s, but they’re still on pretty much the opposite ends of the spectrum in this regard. Also while code geass makes it quite obvious that Lelouch creates a better world in the end, it is far more debatable in death note. Killing every single criminal isn’t necessarily a good thing, Light effectively creates a world run on fear and terror. And in the end, Light dies, and even if you agree with his methods, he did not create a better world, because all crime quickly returns following his death.

[@anormaldoughboy8725]

i can’t be the only one who hated light and didn’t want him to win when i watched death note right? yet watching code geass i felt the similarities between lelouch and light but somehow found myself rooting for lelouch as i felt he was genuinely fighting for a righteous cause

[@theerthapk1391]

Agreee

[@diophantine6677]

I actually think Light is more similar to Schneizel than Lelouch, despite the superficial similarities. Schneizel's Damocles and Light's Death Note are narratively the same thing, and their philosophies seem more inline.

[@KatoBeyond]

That is true, I'm surprised I didn't say something like that in the video

[@robertevansjr2399]

Personally I believe I’m smarter than L. Now that sounds stupid but hear me out. L really never confirmed light was Kira or if he did it was in his last few seconds. Now here’s what makes me smarter than L. I knew Light Yagami was Kira from episode 1

[@taje_wkx4671]

Lol

[@HistoryUnveiled150]

😂😂😂

[@icarusflys6856]

One thing to note. Lelouch states in the first or second episode that the geass power only sped up his timetable for his plans. indicating he was always going to go down that path. Obviously the geass power immensely affected his psyche overtime, due to how much he used it and events that were out of his control at times. But i believe his mind was always geared towards his goal no matter what. Even his childhood flashbacks are proof of this. While Light just stumbled upon an opportunity that would turn out to be an impossible dream/goal.

[@alucardhellsing5466]

This is amazing! would love more cross examination :D

[@barnabus1513]

when you realize that light's fathers life span was halved but he died the same day, so he probably would have offed himself the next day when he found out light was kira.

[@hex8838]

Probably these are two my favorite protagonis. To me they're jenius in their way and in different condition one of them had a revenge to all over world wide country and succeed to declare his an emperor , while the other one had a idealism to cleaned the world without criminal then succeed for few years , but all them died because of they're idealism and they own way , one of them is regreting his perspective before his death , and one of them are really wanted sake world peace.

[@archarchivistarchelaus299]

With no prep, Lelouch would win a 1 v 1 battle pretty handedly. Not even a contest. With prep and starting at episode 1 power levels, Light would never let Lelouch anywhere near him. Light thrives on anonymity under a distant, public persona while Lelouch prefers to be a mysterious, yet close public force. Light would first use the internet and the justice department to pick away at Lelouch’s identity until he had a solid lead. Lelouch at base has some interesting friends, but they’re usually more interested in dressing up as cats. Lelouch has a knowledge resource deficit, while knowledge-access is one of Light’s greatest early assets. Light’s first reaction is never a face-to-face battle until he is 100% certain he’s won. The hint of Lelouch having strange powers would keep Light far away. He then would respond to that supernatural hunch with henchmen and elaborate tests to eventually trap Lelouch. Light’s only failing is that, if he doesn’t realize the true nature of the Geass, he might be there in person at the end and foil his own plans. If Lelouch tries to go public as Zero to counter Light, that makes Light’s job significantly easier. If Light knows where his enemy is, he has the global reach of the Death Note via modern technology to never need to be in range of the Geass. Light thrives on anonymity and red herring fall guys. Lelouch prefers to be on the front lines of his own battles even when disguised. It boils down to how they both play chess. Light will sacrifice every piece on the board before the king falls, while Lelouch plays the king near-recklessly.

[@SatanicWren]

I see a few problems here, Light’s access to the justice system only reaches as far as his Father’s work, it depends on which verse this would be set in on whether or not he would be able to use that. Starting at Episode 1, Light has no access to Shinigami eyes nor anyone else who does, so he has no way of figuring out Zero’s identity, especially when you consider that even amoung the royal family, Charles is the only one who knows that Lelouch is alive. Beyond that, only Suzaku and the Ashford family know of his real identity, and Light has no way to make a connection between Suzaku and Lelouch even if he does make a connection between Zero and Lelouch, which is a huge task by itself, even Schneizel only figured that out because Cornelia told him. Lelouch doesnt need to go public to beat Light since Light doesnt have a viable way to figure out that Zero is Lelouch.

[@SatanicWren]

Also, Light doesnt have any way to know that Lelouch has strange powers

[@SatanicWren]

Even more, especially if we are going by Episode 1 Light, Light is extremely easy to taunt, as shown by how easily L narrowed down his location.

[@archarchivistarchelaus299]

In response to the good rebuttals, I think we would need to set an agreed stage for a prepped battle. However, since Light is 2006 Japan and Lelouch is *checks notes* 1962 Japan (wut), maybe we should consider a scenario where they both live in a Japan that can they can both somehow cohabitate during this scenario. I was originally considering their respective approaches to gaining influence and power starting from episode 1 in a scenario where they both are seeking to be the dominant force in the world. I was coming from a starting point where both do not know of the other's existence prior to their respective rises to power. Once they make their presences known, then the cat and mouse game would likely commence. To note, since Light lives in Japan and can access Japanese justice department info (a natural development from his Stage 1 base), he can look into other Japanese citizens, including Lelouch, who would be a Japanese citizen even though he's originally from Britannia. Once they begin looking into the other, I do admit that Lelouch would first get the chance to realise that Light has the weird powers first when Light goes all god-complex, where Light would think Lelouch is a showboat that happens to have a bit of weird charisma. It would not be until Light starts placing goons on the board to test Lelouch that the Geass powers would become more apparent.

[@SatanicWren]

@@archarchivistarchelaus299 Code Geass is set in 2017-2018, but on the Imperial Brittanian Calender, which means that there is no valid conversion to our calender available. The biggest problem here is setting. Since if its set in Japan, then Lelouch has no reason to become Zero in the first place, but if its set in Area 11, Light doesnt have access to police force info, or a plethora of other things, since he is Japanese. Later down the line, without Area 11, Lelouch also cant make the Black Knights. So setting the battle in Japan in any state gives one of them a huge home field advantage.

[@elizabethpink721]

I think it’s interesting that a lot of people seem to think lelouch’s main motive was revenge, I always thought he was doing it all for his sister, that she was the main reason and revenge was just a side benefit

[@KatoBeyond]

Lelouch is smart enough to know what Nunnally really wanted.

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

Brade swale vs Johnny yong bosh

[@xlogikx]

commenting before I have seen the video, Lelouch / Zero is superior

[@yuuka2298]

Well light is being portrayed as a more realistic character compared to lelouch. Most people would end up like him if they stumbled upon something as powerful as a death note.

[@pleaserespond3984]

Lelouch: does it all for his cute beloved sister, gets a hot wife, immortality, ducks all the paparazzi by dying live on national television (all according to plan). Light: kid with bullying problems thinks he's super smart because he was the first to count to 100 in kindergarten.

[@elitegamer9310]

I would say that one of the biggest differences between these two characters is how their lives ended. Light Yagami was outmaneuvered and beaten by Near, his power taken away and his secret revealed. Instead of facing defeat, Light looses it, like a wild animal that's been cornered. He tries so desperately to slip out of this defeat, but ultimately runs away, bleeding and crying. He is killed by the being that set him on this path, and he dies alone. Lelouch got everything he wanted. He killed his father, took over Britannia, destroyed the corrupt aristocracy and conquered the world. And after two months of being Emperor of the Earth, Lelouch threw it all away. He planned his own assassination, in front of the crowds and cameras, at the hands of his best friend. All so that the cycle of hatred could end, and for Zero to become a symbol for justice. He could've kept going. He could've been the ruler of the world for a very long time. Ruled it however he liked. But instead, Lelouch threw away all selfish ambitions and sacrificed himself so that the world could become a better place. In the world of Death Note, Light never achieved his dream of a perfect new world. Kira went down in history as a mass murderer while Light Yagami went down as the one who gave his life to stop Kira. In the world of Code Gease, Lelouch achieved his dream, but couldn't live to see it. Lelouch Vi Britannia went down in history as a Devil, but Zero went down as a hero.

[@vincentdougherty8613]

Your video was nice, but you weren't being fair to Light. You accused him of doing something Lelouch is also guilty of. Being that they killed those that they wanted to inhabit the new world. Light only killed criminals and those who apposed Kira. While Lelouch had Monica, the Valkarie Squadron, the Glaston Knights, and countless more killed. If it's because they're evil, then why not kill Guilford or Villetta or Nina. Also, I think it's more half and half who would win depending on the scenario, If Lelouch was part of the task force, then he just has to ask Light if he's Kira and how he kills, and it's over. But if Light strikes around Zero Requiem when Lelouch has his name and face everywhere, he'll be dead in 40 seconds.

[@AreyemMeyera]

Light would’ve continued living a regular life without that Death Note. But Lelouch, oh boy, he said Geass only sped things up. He would’ve still been a great strategist even without Geass. Manipulating pieces would’ve been harder, but he’d just take the safer route to achieve his goal, be it on a smaller scale than the original.

[@MagisterV224]

In the manga it's heavily implied that near did use the Death Note to kill kira X. There trully might be something about the Death Note wanting to be used.