TF2: Delivering YOUR Hottest of Takes

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shounic's video on TF2's design: • how the tf2 classes an...
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00:00 intro
01:42 competitive
03:28 kunai op?
06:25 artificial rarity
07:58 youtuber influence
11:05 state of TF2
14:29 10,000 hours
16:19 sniper lol
21:45 cow mangler op?
24:46 against the grain
26:16 all class cosmetics
27:09 direct hit op?
29:45 scout vs sentry
30:30 Halloween restrictions
31:30 valve's neglect
32:27 pomson sucks
34:21 team scramble
36:30 arena good?
37:28 neglect is good?
42:43 lightning round
49:45 outro

[@Judgement_Kazzy]

"Nerf" is truly the most offensive N word to a TF2 player.

[@skeletonmemelord7779]

at least to the stupider ones anyway.

[@modestlatios5553]

Did you see what they did to the Bison?

[@rosant7074]

Cold take: We need a strange dragon's fury

[@vrex]

Straight outta the freezer, that one

[@kingkoopa64]

​@@vrexnah man, straight from nepture

[@donanilao7724]

0K ...Get it? It's 0 Kelvin.

[@moondrop11]

@@kingkoopa64 straight outta uranus

[@ThatFoxxoLeo]

At the very least, being able to apply more warpaints to the Dragon's Fury would be nice. The big tube it's got is BEGGING for a war paint to be slapped onto it.

[@onemorescout]

Meanwhile in Overwatch: “In order to break the latest competitive meta, our sequel will remove an entire player from both teams. Tell your sixth friend to sit on a cactus.”

[@mr.tatortot6469]

Wouldn't it be the fifth friend ?

[@shinyknight1400]

@@mr.tatortot6469 He's referring to how Overwatch 1 originally had 6 players on each team and then in Overwatch 2 it was turned into a 5v5

[@trashmann480]

@@shinyknight1400 1-Me 2-First Friend 3-Second Friend 4-Third Friend 5-Fourth Friend 6-Fifth Friend

[@shinyknight1400]

@@trashmann480 Aaah that makes sense my bad

[@energeticyellow1637]

​@@trashmann480Wrong, I am my first friend (and best friend)

[@SaltyBites]

UncleSoundPurpleDane sounds like he would be on a registry.

[@myboyfriend95]

He makes bad tf2 content

[@Encucumbered]

huh?

[@tonyshum5569]

​@@myboyfriend95only one to make something worse is Unclesoundpurplelight

[@Delfite]

That shit has the same energy as "SpeedOfSoundSonic"

[@Clipper2018]

"Church of Uncle Sound Purple Dane" I nearly Spit out my Drink!

[@seronymus]

I haven't LOLd in a long time but that got me. So true

[@LucidMakesVideos]

Hey glad I could make you have a meltdown mid-video Zesty! Now make sure to get back in your box and talk about why you think the Bazaar Bargain is the worst thing since rotten eggs ;)

[@spewks8569]

Yoo love ur vid on tf2s artstyle man!

[@LucidMakesVideos]

@@spewks8569 thank you! I appreciate it :D

[@dogeboithedoomslayer]

This would be an actual good, toxic comment if you didn’t put the ;) at the end of it.

[@dogeboithedoomslayer]

Also, your dog’s teeth will not survive my wrath, goobermunch 🫵😹

[@kenlemonspankerfromutah9640]

how in anyway is what you said a hot take

[@jeg_]

Twitter's going to be fun for a couple of days

[@shrgn]

Im gonna reinstall reddit just to see r/tf2 turn into a burning dumpsterfire for the next days

[@kingkoopa64]

Take a shot every time someone brings up the trans door drama, i dare you

[@dankmemes8254]

​@@kingkoopa64 the what now

[@kingkoopa64]

@dankmemes8254 Yeah, so the turbine event creator put a trans door in the map, and everyone went crazy

[@Mehdi69420]

Ohh i can't wait

[@detroviolet326]

Here's my hot take: The community isn't enough to keep the game alive. Some of us probably don't deserve Valve's attention, but we really need it.

[@detroviolet326]

And if really nobody at Valve wants to work on this game I don't see a reason why they can't hire the community to keep working on updates.

[@Tyler-nr6kl]

Totally agree, and i dont get why the tf community has decided to say its our job to save it. Sure, we love the game, but this is a product. Valve is paid to keep it live, and its up to them ultimately to keep it live. Im so sick of the toxic positivity, as that will never get anything done to it. If you ask me, as a helldiver and tf2 player, the tf community ought to take a page out of our book. When movements like 'save tf2' happen, it just reinforces to valve that the games players will support this carcass no matter how long they leave it to rot

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

The mechanics just being fun was proved this week when people were all stuck with stock

[@redfox8496]

As a sniper player, I truly think just adding a fairly decently long reload, perhaps with a new reload animation over the garbage we have now would be incredibly balancing for the class, as well as less max ammo. I find that in most of my matches I forget I even have ammo in the first place as I can almost always shoot forever and by the time I take some sort of damage and go heal I get my ammo back too. 25 is just far too high, 12 or 10 would work better but it could be argued for slightly more.

[@redfox8496]

And in turn, I think the darwins danger shield should have the -50% fire damage stat removed and make it only disable afterburn. Ive never quite used the razorback, but perhaps it could be changed into either less damage from shots hitting snipers back, instead of a backstab canceller, or maybe less melee damage taken on user. But who knows, I certainly dont.

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

​@@redfox8496revert it to only +25 max health

[@ShakerSilver]

check out bad weapon rehabilitation servers for that concept in action

[@phantomstriker7996]

Who the hell only wants 12 bullets, make it 15 or 10 it's a cooler number

[@redfox8496]

its really not much of a difference between 12 and 10, I think 15 is a bit too much. 12 just seems like a reasonable amount between the 2@@phantomstriker7996

[@tracefreeman52]

The clip of that spy as the medic is way too funny 28:05. Even I felt betrayed.

[@donanilao7724]

Finally. A scenario where the medic disguise worked.

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

If a youtuber has influence over you, like they say jump you say how high, you shouldn’t be on the internet. When I watch zesty and hear a take from him, I’ll either agree or disagree with it all depends on his argument. I should not be saying this kindergarten levels of lessons in a KZbin comment

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

zesty fans blindly follow him to be contrarians and feel included in the kool kids klub, this is just bigb but sanitized for the masses

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I don’t I think most of his followers don’t and I sense a bias dislike towards him but I hope you’ll prove me wrong rather than throw around insults

[@DoltonI]

​@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 you can say that about the confirmists, who like being part of the big group with the most socially acceptable opinion that will give you pats on the back for just saying the same thing everyone else does point still stands: think for yourself

[@xboxstudent]

Sound like projection@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413

[@leonardo9259]

nah i love the dude but his video on the short circuit is ass lmao@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413

[@minty9749]

I don't think Dane is necessarily *wrong* in saying "Valve is 100% to blame for any 'bad' cosmetics/maps being added to TF2. They hold all the power. The workshop is a wide spectrum of talent, artistic integrity, and gameplay awareness. It's Valve's responsibility to sort through it and choose the appropriate content." In all honesty, I think he's completely right! But I think saying that "It's Valve's fault" and ending right there is kind of missing the point of the overall discussion surrounding community cosmetics. I feel like where we should have the goalpost is getting overall higher-quality stuff overall, rather than just begging Valve to do stuff for us. This can be achieved in a myriad of ways, but the first and most obvious way to get this done is of course having overall community review and going off the stats of how people rate items. ...which, if I'm not mistaken, are only viewable by the creator for cosmetics and war paints. For maps it's a bit of a different issue (level design is a lot harder than creating cosmetics, trust me). I don't believe I'd be mistaken in saying though that people would rather have things that the majority likes, rather than something that 5% of players will like.

[@lpsp442]

What's so crucial about cosmetics is that they represent an imposition from one player unto *all others* on the server as themselves. With maps, you can just choose not to play on that map, but if someone turns up in game with horrific cosmetics that ruin the experience then what can one do? A tool that lets you target specific players to turn their cosmetics off, or a selecter that lets you pick cosmetic items and say "make those invisible for me" would help, but ultimately a solid layer of public review would go a mile towards eliminating problem items that 5% of players like, 10% tolerate, 20% dislike and 65% outright detest.

[@corporatecanine6030]

When people discuss Sniper balance they always forget the one thing that he has had since the beginning and they NEVER consider tweaking it. The Charge mechanic on sniper rifles is already a perfect method to nerfing his quickscope potential - just make it so shots under 30% or so charge don't do crits. No more quickscopes, people actually have to setup and plan ahead before sniping instead of running in guns ablaze. Whats more, is you could add that little laser everyone talks about. The dot sucks. too easy to miss. Make it a laser that increases in opacity the more its charged. You can setup a shot while being relatively hidden but as you keep a closer eye on targets their awareness of you increases. Whats EVEN MORE is add a "Sniper!" callout. How come the Spy gets a callout but the Sniper doesn't? Both are the assassin classes, and while there is plenty of counter play to Spy because fuck him in particular(?) there is no meaningful way to address a Sniper in his nest unless your teammates have more than two brain cells.

[@theresmorepancakes]

I have a feeling that Twitter will not be happy with this. I don't use Twitter, so I don't care.

[@kingkoopa64]

Imagine Twitter when they realized people like sr pelo agree with Zesty jesus. They will go nuts

[@tomas6621]

Glad i don't use it too.

[@darrellaldrige3909]

​@@kingkoopa64they will explode into tiny bits and pieces

[@Hotomato]

I’m not convinced yall don’t care about Twitter the way you say that you do.

[@JustCallMeQuincy]

"To be honest, not enough people are like, stealing." -ulcer danial

[@CookTF2]

45:34 Hot take: it wasn't Valve's intention to fight the bots by restricting chat and voice commands, but to ensure each of them payed.

[@SaintRedFox]

considering they havent lifted it yet shows they only wanted the money and it was just a excuse

[@Halevolt]

If competitive players were complaining about certain weapons in competitive then Valve should've made competitive play with just stock weapons.

[@hopecat7466]

I'm already 10,000 Picoseconds in and I can already confirm this is a ZestyJesus classic.

[@xenosflame3458]

The church of unclesoundpurpledane has done more damage to this game then most normies realize, these 3 have to realize how much toxicity there fanbases spew out on a daily basis right? Oh and god forbid you say anything slightly negative about them.

[@MaxPower-qt3vw]

Tf2 is a timeless masterpiece guyz!!!!!

[@CoolSs]

41:57 Not even tf2 community know what tf2 need (we got too many tourist and old players who are the embodiment of apathy)

[@crack4184]

And many TF2 players think that their game is perfect and will take the slightest criticism personal Or compare to other games

[@CoolSs]

@@crack4184 I used to be proud of enjoying tf2 and being a fan(before MYM) now i can't even praise the lost soul and art style that set tf2 apart from other games. Call it homestock syndrome but i love tf2 enough to stay with it until the end. You are right btw and the sad part. PEOPLE CAN'T POINT AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEY LIKED ABOUT TF2. if tf2 was not released, most of them would be playing fortnite or your flavor of the month game... "Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." -Kreia. But here is a white pill, we are old now, we found that others actually hold opinion i had for years. We no longer the silence "majority".

[@crack4184]

@@CoolSs Nothing to be ashamed about liking TF2, though. I hate the part of the community that argues all the time and says tf2 is the best. When you prove them they're wrong, they always say "Maybe but it's still the best multiplayer games of all times, even today! Look! I AM having a great time, which means you must have a great time too."

[@mr.minion9247]

As a member of the 'Official' Mercenary park enjoyers steam group, zesty we are pleased to hear about your open declaration of appreciation to Mercenary Park. We would love to see you within the group so that you can further more express your love for Mercenary Park.

[@AaSs-kk3tk]

"Dear Mr. Zesty Jesus The Ministry of Internal Mercenary Park Affairs (MIMPA) has seen your public expression of great and utter love to beloved Mercenary Park. You have been awarded +15 Social Credits for your efforts for the cause. Praise be Mercenary Park."

[@maskofthedragon]

9:32 Sentient is giving the average TF2 player a bit too much credit

[@Lachrymogenic]

I generally find that most TF2bers act extraordinarily differently to actual players in game. They're very whitewashed, very "silly" and whimsical, all use Twitter, try to make out that this game has a very comforting and accepting community. They act very positive, but deep down, they're just as toxic as they claim not to be, people like Shork, Soundsmith, etc. They're allowed to just get away with it, as long as they take the moral high ground. Something about that just urks me the wrong way, they act like they're mightier than all, because they have a "platform" They're better than us normal casual players, who I guess are all just racist, evil people for exercising non-consequential harmless free speech. Zesty is the only TF2ber who's just a normal, honest guy, with opinions. He gets hate for it, but he deals with it very well. He's strong and doesn't give in. Normal KZbinrs would BOW DOWN and BEG to their KNEES for forgiveness over their own genuine opinions, but Zesty stands up for himself. I'm thankful for a TF2ber like Zesty, compared to people who wear a faulty fake mask, covered in tape.

[@Rabi2in]

bro you sound like you're in a cult

[@Clown_the_Clown]

Accurate, thanks for sharing man. TF2 is one of the last bastions of old internet culture, I don't want it to get destroyed.

[@kenlemonspankerfromutah9640]

@@Rabi2infr the glazing is crazy

[@maxerduster]

​​@@Rabi2in but he has a point

[@cabezadetermo979]

@@Rabi2in Idk, he sounds like a normal free thinking individual Have you ever considered YOU are the one that is in a cult?

[@LARAUJO_0]

8:21 I actually wholeheartedly agree with this. It's significantly easier for people to subconsciously be swayed by someone merely expressing an opinion than you might think. In my opinion, forming your own opinion rather than absorbing one you're exposed to is a skill that has to be learned and practiced over time, whereas if it was something we were all inherently capable of, it'd be a lot harder to spread misinformation, conspiracy theories, extreme political or religious views, prejudice, dumb internet trends, and other things that thrive on a lack of critical thinking than it currently is. It also certainly doesn't help if you're like me and don't play the game enough to have a grasp on various aspects of the game and have to rely on secondary sources (namely content creators) to fill in those knowledge gaps 43:57 "Maining a class" doesn't mean "exclusively playing one class unless forced to play another". Most people will be more drawn to a select few classes because they facilitate playstyles they like, but that doesn't mean everything else is off the table; this applies to just about any game with multiple characters or playstyles. Obviously playing a wider variety is good because you experience more of the game's content and it gives you valuable experience, but maining is still a natural thing to do and serves a good purpose

[@pikazilla6405]

What really confuses me about this admittedly extremely stupid competitive debate is that I don't think I've ever seen either side stop and ask themselves WHY competitive is so different from standard tf2 in the first place, things like no random crits and to an extent no random bullet spread are understandable, but things such as cutting the number of players in half and having only 5 cp maps seem completely and utterly unnecessary, I think the biggest mistake when it came to the completely failed competitive transition of tf2 was trying to balance weapons for both when the real answer all along was to make competitive more like casual

[@rare_player]

I wish Valve did a reprint for the overpriced strange weapons. The huntsman, kritzkrieg and gunslinger cost $80, $170 and $340 respectively. That's a lot for a kill counter. To preserve the rarity they could make the existing ones vintage, release the new ones as australium or make them paintable to apply a stat clock.

[@harrybaxter9110]

Don't forget the original please

[@flyerboy991]

If anything, strangifiers already exist. Just add those for the huntsman etc, make them clearly distinctly "strangified" huntsmen as opposed to strange huntsmen, and you're good.

[@MoustachioFurioso83]

As the owner of several of those pricy stranges, I agree. Let the people who want to count kills do so for a sum that isn't absurd. Just turn the existing ones vintage or something, I don't know, so the pro traders don't cry too much.

[@caramelldansen2204]

Regarding "give TF2 to a new developer": *_LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO HALO_* 😢

[@darthgamer9861]

exactly. in the heat of the moment, the idea of giving the keys to a new dev sounds good until you look at the many games that were destroyed once they were given to new devs that simply didnt understand the intricacies of the game or in 343s case, thought they could “do better” and burned a ticket for limitless money.

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@darthgamer9861 Honestly, aside from indie devs, I can think of no studios, developers or other corporate entities that put art before profit like Bungie did. They were (RIP old Bungie...) one of the last standouts from before gaming became profitable, and I shudder to think we will never see the kind of art they produced ever again on a scale greater than what a dozen or fewer people can complete. Profit kills art. Profit kills the planet. Profit kills us. We need to get rid of it before it gets rid of us.

[@neondead2.0.15]

Well womans with abs are hot, so it IS hot take.

[@xcrackervolleyx]

What if the Kunai’s overheal grew over the course of a second after a stab instead of immediately?

[@user-kb7sl1xv5r]

kunai is perfect he just have a skill issue

[@barneycalhoundotcom]

I think that the overheal should be granted over time. like, if you get a good backstab, you should still get that same 210 health. But, if you were to take damage (say, a stray minigun bullet) your overheal would stop at wherever it was at. It would make kunai spy chain stabbings more managable, as it would prevent you from having to send a sniper quick scope, a frontier justice crit, 4 rockets, and 4 pipes to kill one spy.

[@damianateiro]

​@@user-kb7sl1xv5rOr is it that you don't know how to play spy without an op-gun to help?

[@portal7910]

​@@damianateiro I think it's a bait comment

[@rockowlgamer631]

7:00 Counter argument Deep Rock Galactic, even when the season ends, all items are put into rng drops when exploring the caves, that way EVERYONE still has a chance to get the items. It's worked pretty well so far, although it's a game about working together and most of those items are cosmetics and not new weapons so there is a difference. If I had to give my own hot take, the Sydney sleeper is the most balance sniper rifle. Plus I like the new G.R.U though the eviction notice could've stayed the same before the Jungle Inferno update.

[@met5199]

To be fair to DRG, it's monetized in a Pay2Play-Manner with a "No content gets wasted" policy that also doesn't allow any type of micromarket to grow out of it. This creates are more healthy way of getting cosmetics by actually earning them (random selection be damned for a moment) and people can buy more cosmetics if they wish to via DLCs. That being said, the unfortunate side-effect is that trying to get a specific cosmetic becomes harder and harder with each season released, since they're linked to random spawns that max out around 22% for a Max-Complexity cave, which may take around an hour to finish if played...normally, I guess? Similar issues with Overclock-Cosmetics, but at least for that there are ways to work around this and expect a consistent stream of new OCs. Still a way better system than just making certain cosmetics just outright unreasonable to gain or unobtainable, tho. Nothing interesting to say regarding the TF2 Takes on my end lol

[@Hotomato]

And that practice of adding previous seasons’ items to the random loot table has resulted in a massively bloated item list that takes forever to get through as a new player. Not saying previous seasons’ content shouldn’t be preserved, but idk if deep rock is a shining example of how to do it right.

[@met5199]

@@Hotomato I wanna be fair tho and say that this solution is still better than the general norm when it comes to this type of content. Like, at least there *is* an option to grind cosmetics over a period of time. There will be a point where increasing the methods of earning additional cosmetics needs to be increased, as well as additional ways of being able to choose what cosmetics you want or not (similar to Machine-Events and Overclocks since a similar but more important issue existed there as well, given OCs affect gameplay). Ultimately tho, one could argue that some of the cosmetics could be moved towards the normal ingame-shop if that isn't done already. A part of me still likes the idea of being able to find cosmetics on random runs; something fun to look forward to if you don't search for some specific cosmetic.

[@rockowlgamer631]

@@Hotomato Well it's not like you're grinding them right? Just getting them through the loot drops will take a while so I think it's fine.

[@EmberTheFlareon3579]

I haven't played the game in a while, so please clarify for me if there is a chance to get a cosmetic you already have or not and if you get extra game currency for it. If so, they should change it so there's a guarantee that if you did get a cosmetic, it won't be one you already have. Just imo.

[@nanoblob4998]

I know how to balance the Kunai: So basically, you add a bar and if you get a backstab, it depletes the bar but however large the bar was, the more health you get. The bar can be passively recharged or using the revolver will help recharge.

[@joemancool]

Kunai balance- Every backstab drains the health gain bar but once that runs out you start using your cloak meter instead, if you run out of cloak you no longer get any health on kill. Also for that revolver thing probably should have it be the le'trange or the enforcer because having it damage based means a diamond back or ambassador spy would basically still be what he is now.

[@Calmite]

How about just let the glass cannon class be a little less glassy

[@Silvercruise]

Why not just lower the amount of health you can get?

[@xailonut8763]

I am going to respectfully decline

[@chillyconmor]

i dont like that. it removes the gameplay target prioritization aspect of the kunai and it heavily nerfs the kunai's chain capabilities

[@jonashormann5700]

30:21 that heavy looked so sad! He really hated his life as we see what happens after

[@s4ndr3x98]

Im not afraid to say that zesty is right about sniper

[@spydyeguymy]

One Spy change I thought of that would somewhat nerf the Kunai is to add a stat to the Dead Ringer that causes you to lose all your over-heal upon activation.

[@unr34L-]

LMFAO dead ringer is already garbage

[@guscox9651]

"the church of uncle-sound-purple-dave" did crack me up i must admit 25:40

[@Capiosus]

also maps can be made heavy dominated if they are too close quartered, but this usually never happens because people build maps that enable rocket jumpers Single control point maps are good maps because they allow areas to change team control to prevent any class from dominating, exceptions of huntsman sniper hitbox BS (scout) and darwins danger shield BS (pyro).

[@simplysmiley4670]

Ehhhh single point maps are often scout, soldier and demo heaven.

[@Capiosus]

@@simplysmiley4670 for vanilla tf2 (not uncletopia) all classes work for single point maps, no single class is trash, and no single class is dominant. Sure, some may be better than others at times, but you can play anything you want to.

[@weeaboo869]

love how the video description was instantly immediately proven wrong by Nobody's Home

[@yaneproduction]

Sometimes I forget about what Zesty was talking because of the clips. In one clip he butterknife'd soldier and pyro with one hit each, soldier blew him self up whilet running and shooting at dancing soldier and demo. Btw my take is that Big Joey should bring Slap Nuts back in his nickname

[@seronymus]

The Azumanga Daioh edits were hilarious and I loved especially the takes on sniper and random crits tbh. Cant wait part 2!

[@elliotthetacreightmore8311]

The reason why competitive sucks is because meet your match was a crap update. This wasn’t due to the concept being crap; but rather because it was handled like my penis when I realized I had a testicular torsion

[@TsuyAr]

You forgot to mention that the Direct Hit is almost always worse for advanced rocket jumping because of its projectile speed. Not that you can't get good with it, but it messes with your muscle memory so bad compared to the other launchers, even the Liberty Launcher.

[@captainweekend5276]

That's similar to the issues with the Loch n load, theoretically the faster projectile speed is a buff that allows longer range hits, however in practice it acts either as a side grade or nerf due to how much it messes with your muscle memory.

[@fnutek3720]

@@captainweekend5276 Nah if people use loch n load often, they will usually end up even better.

[@wutaf0ck]

I'm glad that all the shit you got for just expressing your thoughts didn't change your values for the sake of complying with the masses. Respect. Have a great year Zesty

[@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire]

Hot take Pomson should have kept the damage, penetration, and big hitbox, but no cloak or uber drain

[@chocox6491]

Oh so it had a bigger hitbox? That explains it cuz i remember it being usable years ago

[@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire]

@@chocox6491 Yep, same with Bison. No idea if they fixed it, but I feel like they didn't so it does 1 tick less damage than it used to.

[@Fatsaver]

The thing it actually needs is a larger hitbox and have its projectiles not instantly consumed by your teammates. That's honestly it.

[@InfamousInvictis]

11:05 I don't know bout other TF2ubers but believe me I could be negative bout the game and talk about it. I have no fear of being open about this bullshit. Why though? What is there to say that isn't already blatantly obvious? 1 Dev, bots everywhere, yeah games shit. The entire community has been an echo chamber of the same grievances they have with Valve since 2017. There is nothing I could announce that hasn't already been repeated 100 times already so I don't bother. I don't need to "inform" the community about the bullshit. It's constantly thrown in their face everytime they play the game.

[@JacksJunkDrawer]

I genuinely believe the Classic should be how the stock Sniper Rifle functions.

[@SaintRedFox]

i think they should make the sniper rifle work like the TFC sniper rifle and make the classic a reskin

[@doomkitty7579]

Damn I’ve misunderstood you. You seem cool.

[@The_House_Always_Wins]

Yeah he gets a lot of hate for a lot of bad reasons

[@KyryloMudrokha]

Stupid request, but can you tell me where is that long ass solarlight comment? I want to see this myself lmao.

[@AshleysBrother]

Same

[@flusen9408]

For rare items to be re-added, I suggest making them drop from the item drop system but a little bit more rare than before, and or adding them to the mvm drop system as season base drops.

[@Brown95P]

@24:06 "Likely the biggest reason for the Cow Mangler's ban is one-tapping Scouts peeking a choke with the charge shot, and god forbid we have anything that makes Scout anything other than overly oppressive." *_AMEN._* The absolute simping for Scout in 6v6 like he's the next coming of Melee Fox is precisely why I gave up on competitive in general, as if the removal of random bullet spread, one of the *_very few_* limiting factors of the class, wasn't already bad enough as it is; TF2's core balance barely hangs on with the thinnest of threads to begin with, as evidenced with Sniper's quickscoping and Medic's crossbow to a slightly less oppressive extent, and these community choices only make it come apart at the seams -- especially when the only way to play the game now is through said community. Also, yes, the game needs team scramble back badly; not autobalance, *_TEAM scramble._*

[@reagansido5823]

Hot take: I just stole your torch.

[@OccuredJakub12]

I wonder if nerfing the Kunai's overheal depletion rate to be the same as a Medic could be a good nerf. You're still rewarded but you have to act quickly to benefit from the bonus health and otherwise you'll more quickly return to your more vulnerable base form

[@damianateiro]

Any class with overhealing is difficult to kill, in the case of the kunai, let it have the 210 maximum overheal.

[@PerryAngel-vq7hp]

yooo Zesty Jesus tf2 now has 64 bit updates !! 😊 🙏

[@s4ndr3x98]

10:20 what is that video?

[@SoylentGamer]

The take about the current state of TF2 hit me like a brick. For a long time I have been parroting this idea that yeah, TF2 doesn't need Valve, the community is better at managing TF2 than Valve, and the content they create is more important than the content that Valve creates. But a number of community servers I used to play on went to shit recently with bad staff, most of the fan projects have either had dwindling playerbases that only get replenished when an occasional video about them goes viral, and now they're getting slapped with DMCAs. The only thing that I even have a sliver of positive feelings towards is the custom games. I know you hate them, but to me they hearken back to the days when Valve would add a new item and everyone would be running around trying it out, it may not have been balanced, but nobody cared! The game was really badly balanced in general back then, like, what's a little more bad balance gonna do to the game huh? Unless something was truly centralizing or gamebreaking. Nobody really cared that degreaser+axtinguisher was basically demoknight but somehow even more braindead, people loved it.

[@darthgamer9861]

what I’m tired of is the blatantly false narrative that Valve is still the old Valve that cares about their community or making games. I’m also very physically sick of whenever Valve DMCA’s a fan game people pull out all the defenses that when used for Nintendo or Sega or anyone else they get rightfully shot down. People need to stop making excuses for Valve.

[@mustard7306]

What if the Pomson functioned exactly like the Righteous Bison (fast reload, penetrating projectile, same damage, etc), but instead of the cloak/uber draining stuff, it just caused spies to have an electrified effect similar to the visuals of afterburn that'd be visible while cloaked? It's not negating the Spy's skill because he has to get hit by the Engineer for it to apply, which means he either approached through spam or got caught and is retreating, but it rewards the Engineer for hitting the Spy by making it easier to track him down and finish him off.

[@slaster1086]

25:42 "The Church of Uncle Sound Purple Dane" 💀

[@PARTY_MUTT]

I may not always agree but I always love your vids man! Keep up THE EPIC UPLOADS

[@SoylentGamer]

Finally someone said it about the Direct Hit. LP really gave it a reputation as an anti-scout gun, but it really isn't warranted. As the titles of his videos suggest, he's a very emotionally driven player, and I'll agree with him, landing a Direct Hit on a Scout is deeply satisfying as a Soldier. It's also terribly frustrating as a Scout. However, at the end of the day, rocket+panic will kill faster and more reliably than the Direct Hit, and as a Scout as unfun as it is to fight the DH soldier, once they whiff a rocket, I've basically won, without losing a sliver of health.

[@SaintRedFox]

i still like blasting away a grasshopper scout, either with a DH or rocket+panic

[@-the_lumberjack-]

Hot take: Creators should start using KZbin's community tab for video idea posts because there's a large segment of us that just don't use the emotional cesspool that is twitter.

[@EBarracuda]

I think this video could be a spring board for some more discussions in their own videos. Such as the "Random crits should be completely random" comment could be a video on how that could be implemented in a server etc.

[@roymakano6306]

I'm glad you liked my take man, but what can I say? It's true! your editing, passion, and drive is admirable

[@IronCosmo]

Holy shit I watched a 50 minute video and never once realized it was 50 minutes until it was over, good shit Zesty

[@TheChowder001]

I just want to say thank you for your videos, I feel like a lot of tf2 players/youtubers need a reality check and there's few things I hate more than toxic positivity.

[@Meladoom2]

I was discussing Counter-Strike, TF2, Overwatch and Valorant with a friend of mine, while having this video on the background, and somehow we often bringed TF2 when discussing all of these games. It is really awesome how often the gameplay changes here! From Soldier to Spy to Heavy and so on! brb gonna rewatch it thoroughly this time!

[@Monkey_XDD]

Just nerf sniper lol

[@The_House_Always_Wins]

I would like to see all snipers have a visible laser beam when scoped in

[@Stoneley]

i know ppl dont agree w/ this but sniper tends to be hard to counter because of bad map design, especially asymetrical maps where a defense sniper can sit right next to spawn and/or a sentry nest, in symetrical gamemodes sniper acts more like an engineer, denying a certain area or supporting the mid fight, and the constant movement of the frontlines stops him from getting too well setted up, plus good symetrical maps tend to have lots of flank routes, multiple main routes, angles, cover (especially on capture points) all of this making sniper more like a very far but narrow sentry. I know this is long but I just wanted to put a small opinion on the table.

[@AlextheLordofFire]

I honestly think pyro is underpowered (at least compared to all mercs except heavy and spy), and delivers too little damage comparable to a rocket’s splash damage. I wish the heat mechanic was more reliable, and relevant, reducing the base damage but increasing the max damage. At least make it something useable against unsuspecting unrevved heavies or sentries poorly placed around corners. Also, the powerjack needs an actual downside for using it mid comba, and the flaregun might be cool and all, but let’s be honest, it needs a buff because the shotguns are clearly better. Also, many people say the airblast is op, and while I agree on the push might get annoying (although it’s the only real tool pyro gets), the reflect is not favored on his side. Try reflecting sticky spam and cannon balls, or any fast moving projectile with any ammount of ping. Or just try to reflect a soldier who uses his brain, it’s not as easy as pyro pros with 5 ping make it look. I even think it should get buffed and reflected stickies should change team affiliation and detonate as soon as possible, or at least reset the arming timer. And just for the sake of being picky, I think soldier’s shooting sound (not the explosion sound) should be sharper and shorter, similar to demo’s grenade shooting sound, just for the sake of making it easier to reflect on reaction to a class that can two-tap you (much more damage than the pyro delivers in maximum ramp up btw).

[@turningpoint4354]

Maybe the kuni (idk how to spell it nor do I care) for spy should only give a little bit of health on a successful backstab ( like maybe 30 health) and then the rest of the health you will slowly gain at the speed of a medigun’s healing. That way you still get the same amount of health you normally would, but you get the health slower so that if you are spotted people still have a better chance to kill you.

[@CoolSs]

I actually like that. my biggest problem with the kunai. that it punish you for having a bad teammates, as also encourage the spy to exploit the tf2 broken melee system. (also enemy spy should not just chain stab my teammate in front of me, as i waste all of my ammo trying to deal with him.THEN HE GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE HE JUST BACKSTABBED THAT ONE CLUELESS f2p heavy. that just frustrating) also i can argue its detrimental for you if you want to seriously improve as spy. take it from an ok spy. kunai encourage bad habits. that why i prefer the spy cicle (or YER for more challenge and reward)

[@turningpoint4354]

@@CoolSs dude the YER is so fun to use, even if it is considered one of the worse spy weapons. When I’m feeling bored I will sometimes switch to it and have fun trying to get the one play where you kill someone directly in front of their team and somehow nobody notices.

[@turningpoint4354]

I know that this idea isn’t too complicated either because the Gloves of running urgently do this exact thing when deployed except it instantly takes away a portion of health and then slowly drains it.

[@ComparativelyRegular]

@@CoolSs True. Full stock loadout is the best way to improve as a Spy IMO.

[@mirokocur705]

#GlockForDemoman

[@GustavoSuperSonic2001]

Hey Zesty, great video as always. I remember you talk on one of your streams about background footage, and man, that's some of the best Team Fortress 2 gameplay I've seen. It really goes a long way to serve the video

[@humbletom49]

I think the kunai should have had the inverse of what it had. It gave you the amount of health missing from the enemies. So like a scout has 100hp if you backstab you get 25 + some low base hp added to every stab for ensurance when backstabbing high health targets

[@PenPenPending]

I wonder if bringing Sniper's melee damage down to that of Spy or Scout would be enough, just such that a crit wouldn't kill most classes on it's own. Hey that might even end up fixing the Bushwacka by proxy.

[@unr34L-]

Tribals would be meta rofl

[@newman_real3079]

Add a cooldown to being able to headshot with sniper, aka it takes a second after charging to be able to get headshots, you know, to make him weak at close range

[@Jiggly_Ro]

All these hot takes makes me want to go back to 2007 TF2 on my PS3. Such good Times.

[@seronymus]

Tf2 ps5 port when?

[@Jiggly_Ro]

@@seronymus I think TF2 will be instead ported to the ps10 in the next 50+ years.

[@DerNamenlose1991]

the biggest thing that pisses me off about valve and tf2 really is that in this current bot infested state, it's being presented as "playable", while still adding cosmetics like nothing is wrong maybe it's time for the community servers to make a huuuuge comeback but valve should take their thumbs out of their ears and asses and adress these glaring problems

[@SaintRedFox]

community servers will never make a huge come back because guess what, valve killed them! there are very few community servers than serve a pure vanilla/casual experience, but most of them are either a wasteland or you never end up playing on them because they are full all the time. wanted to play you favorite map like granary or sawmill, sorry! all servers hosting stock maps rotations are full or abandoned but whats the alternative? well... 24/7 2fort/dustbowl/hightower RTD x900000 weapons instant respawn doodoo shart. at that point might as well just play tf2classic.

[@dungeondeezdragons4242]

When you just remove the sniper as a class the only thing that happens is a bit more people play heavy and also more people play the objective.

[@simplysmiley4670]

and rarely anyone bothers with flanks, yeah

[@dungeondeezdragons4242]

@@simplysmiley4670bing forced to flank a sniper again and again, because you have no other thing to do on the map(because he locking most of it) is not really good gameplay or gamedesign.

[@stormerplayson]

zesty never fails to be entertaining

[@Lethal_Spoon]

the amount of times someone has gone direct hit to counter me when i’m scout just to get absolutely destroyed is hilarious

[@realspycool]

the fallout from this video will be biblical

[@duckgossip]

Hey zesty, did you know you can extinguish with the Sydney sleeper? I saw a clip with a teammate on fire but you didn’t extinguish him with the piss rifle. Just an fyi!

[@tonyshum5569]

Ayumu osaker should be added to tf2 as the fabled tenth class.

[@D-N-0]

i killed 4 people with a direct hit crit. direct hit has a splash damage, thus it is op (i am joking, alright?)

[@plungagaming]

I was the medic in some of the clips, so fun playing on stream. But great vid man, love the content.

[@hightensionjapanesegoblin9821]

Maybe I'm wrong about this one, but I always thought people reacted negatively to your takes because you usually speak with an intensity few youtubers match. I think that you speak so harshly that people respond in kind. Despite sometimes having similar takes, Uncle Dane doesn't usually receive these kind of scathing criticisms because he's generally calm (for lack of a better word).

[@mikonson4091]

I get what you're saying. When Zesty shoots his takes, there's a noticable amount of "fuck you" behind what he says.

[@flamethegame1]

and, its human nature to not like someone who is screaming in your face, so naturally there will be hate i believe that *MOST* of zesty's game balance takes and ideas are really quite good, but the way he presents them kind of buries the opinion under a layer of "fuck you"

[@justcuz8202]

I was just going to say "it's because you make yourself sound like a giant jackass with every word that comes out of your mouth (regardless of how reasonable or true it may or may not actually be)" but you said it nicer than me, so thats good.

[@firebadnofire9768]

TF2's development will NEVER be the same. Most of the original devs are gone and will never be back. If Valve ever brings back TF2 development, they won't know where to start. I've done dev work for other's projects long in the works and it is downright PAINFUL. Nothing makes sense and if there is minimal commenting or spaghetti code where "God is the only one who knows what is happening here" is the comment, then it's borderline impossible to make improvements without a complete rewrite. Coders never code for the next guy who needs to code for it. TF2 is written in C++ which is a language that is not nearly as common these days. C++ is a fast lang with very complex syntax that makes it very beginner unfriendly. Being fast is both a strength and a weakness. It's a strength for obvious reasons but it's a weakness because it makes unoptimized code less obvious. For small apps like Chrome, it's fine because it doesn't run a bunch of stuff simultaneously. For huge apps like TF2 where variables and interactions are CONSTANTLY being processed, it starts to get bad fast. I love Valve and all their work and love for the Linux community, they have done so much to ensure that I can play just as much as Windows players. However, I think their treatment of TF2 is very poor and I would rather they turn away their Linux projects to focus more on TF2 and other abandoned projects *cough* hl3 *cough* because Linux is in a phenomenal state because of all their work already. They don't need to do anymore at the moment, so they should focus way more on their legacy titles that they still profit off to this day.

[@copperCCSD]

I’m at the part where you’re talking about how sniper’s limiting factors are too easily overcome by skill. I think a neat change that could be made alongside some numerical tweaks would be making sniper take minicrits for 2~3ish seconds upon scoping in. This would encourage snipers to charge up their shots more often from behind cover, slowing down their kill rate, as well as making the act of entering scope itself a weighted decision with downsides that can’t be overcome by just aiming better. Additionally, since minicrits remove damage falloff, the enemy will have an easier time fighting back against a sniper that’s going too fast. Plus, sniper can have spy-like moments of bad luck where they scope in at a bad time and get obliterated, which can be funny and gives tf2’s two ‘assassin’ classes a shared identity in that sense.

[@Unknown-dw8ex]

All haters need to back off , this man and the rest of the TF2's community just want what's best for their game and see something good made out of it, Good job Zesty , for covering the things we all wanted to say , but won't 👍👍

[@m.i.g.2023]

As a person who plays a game where a sniper class has access to invisibility and tools to see enemies on a minimap, I say: give TF2 Sniper lens flare. Or a laser sight like in MVM. Or anything to be able to 1. Spot the sniper to begin with and 2. See the level of his charge. If i pull up from a corner as a Heavy and see a literal beacon on the other side of the sightline i now at least know that i should run the fuck away

[@energeticyellow1637]

TF2 Classic gives sniper tracer rounds. They're not as noticeable as the machina, but they're still quite visible which punishes sniper for missing his shots. Also nerf quick scoping so it takes around half a second for his rifle to do critical damage. And possibly make an uncharged headshot do 140 damage instead of 150

[@remonjules]

Great video as always, dude. Your editing has gotten a lot better.

[@FormerBunsenBurner]

I love how the Southern accent slips out for no discernable reason at 38:26

[@TheDeathMedic]

34:01 is Zesty's foreshadowing of a Raiden vs Sam representation with Dane

[@thebotanist7145]

Church of UncleSoundPurpleDane I can't

[@noahoglesby5325]

Both sniper shields are obviously a mistake, but I thought it would always be funny to give sniper a bullet proof vest that gives damage resistance against body shots from enemy snipers. Also just dynamically tying damage falloff to the snipers scope charge would massively hinder the sniper without being massively intrusive.

[@theworstcase4819]

Dane’s takes on “Shortest road from casual to competitive.” Was always tone deaf to me, as if he really could not fathom that there were people who were completely fine with the game as is, not straying far from their current skill level just because they find the game fun as is. He made an entire video that ended with all the things people remember the game for only to move on to this ridiculous point that comp is somehow the logical end point of the game?

[@itchylol742]

I think Valve's negligence is a blessing in disguise. Neglect has ruined casual matchmaking, but having an active developer who constantly tries to fix things (even if they aren't broken) and making constant balance changes can ruin the whole game, not just casual. Btw I'm biased because I only play on community servers. I can take a long break and return, knowing that my skills and knowledge and still relevant and I don't have to learn some new phlog activiation mechanic or overheal decay algorithm or engineer building metal cost adjustments.

[@damianateiro]

Valve puts out maps and cosmetics that they charge money for, they MUST leave casual playable at any time, otherwise they should stop putting out content once and for all

[@CoolSs]

imo. revert tf2 to pre mym and give us the pyro fixes and i will be happy (maybe keep the buff and don't need anything from mym) then all Valve need to do is make sure the game run well and no game breaking bugs and i would be a happy camper.

[@newman_real3079]

Rework the razorback so its like the battalion's backup or something and allows immunity against backstabs if you get a couple headshots

[@uberd3323]

That doesn’t work unless you already know that you’re about to get backstabbed for one, and for two, Sniper shouldn’t have pure immunities to one-hit kill mechanics. Personally, I think the razorback should actually function the way that the old Croc-O-Style bonus did and let you hang on with one hp if you get backstabbed, rather than fully negate it.

[@Spiffyo]

So, wasn't the quickscope thing checked out and found that sniper still played mostly normal, and it instead made defensive sniper stronger now that the offensive sniper can't just quickscope? Fish found a balance in sniper having a clip where it takes a long reload to use the next shots while they still had the base reload for each round in the clip.

[@cheezeebutter452]

14:37 Y'know it boutta get good when the Metroid Prime _Phendrana Drifts (Depths)_ theme plays.

[@GrandSnow469]

Hey, did you know that Traders, despite being only 0,01% of the players base own 90% of the items? Curious