Zodiac (2007) - Movies with Mikey

Obsession is the central theme in David Fincher's brilliant film, Zodiac - a movie defying all traditions of genre, plot structure, and character development.
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[@slimefudge]

This has to be the most addicting channel I've seen. My eyes hurt from binging episodes, but my brain and my ears are thriving

[@canisdivinus6218]

I know this comment is 3 years old, but I'm currently going through the same thing. I could listen all day

[@wvu05]

My theory: Arthur Leigh Allen was the original Zodiac killer, but others were either copycat killers or he passed the torch. That would explain such wildly different m.o. and physical descriptions of the suspect.

[@sidmf]

So his killings were the fourth of July shooting and Vallejo stabbings? Making him the man in the zodiac get-up?

[@WhiteBloggerBlackSpecs]

The performances by pre-_Iron Man_ Robert Downey, Jr. is pretty stellar

[@seanjohn2312]

White Blogger Black Specs but I can still see Some Tony Stark in Zodiac Even tho he wasn’t Ironman before.

[@joaquinmombergbarria516]

@@seanjohn2312 Just watch Chaplin, that is his performance of a lifetime.

[@MrOctober44]

Less the zero, Natural born killers.

[@GeoffreyToday]

After watching Zodiac (which I loved) I have one thought I can not shake: Mark Ruffalo needs to play Columbo in a new Columbo film franchise. just sayin'.

[@greghessel6624]

Geoffrey Today! I thought the same

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

Just one last thing...

[@blacktoothfox677]

@@greghessel6624 as did I!

[@blacktoothfox677]

@zio420 hmm...

[@SquabbleBoxHQ]

Been saying this for years. Absolutely. Only if it was set in the 70s though.

[@iraglassfromnpr]

That scene where he's in that guy's basement and freaks out is my favorite scene in the movie.

[@shadracarthur]

How can you judge a movie about its lack of resolution when the actual murderer did not get caught? that is really really Lazy Thinking.

[@shadracarthur]

+Shadrac Mould not you mr Neuman, just the people who complain about that part of the movie.

[@filmjoy]

+Shadrac Mould [m] Heh. All good. It's a weird movie to be sure. Part of what I didn't harp on was that this is a movie about giving up. Everyone slowly melts away and there is no resolution for anyone but Graysmith. That's why the interaction in the hardware store is so important. Everyone else has moved on but he stuck with it, and by virtue of sacrificing every aspect of his life to this conquest, he is the /only/ one that gets resolution. This is funny because this passed on to the audience as well.

[@sawaugust]

Yeah this movie was simply about the investigation and how the police handled it. Also how Mr Graysmith became obsessed with finding the killer. The end of the movie just told us the last big update that happened in this case. Now days there are more theories and new stuff being added as time goes on. I loved this movie!

[@Seanwhatsleft]

I tell you, that stabbing murder scene was so intense for me that it alone prevents me from rewatching this movie. Thank you for watching it again and giving fincher is due. You ought to do a MWM about one of the most misunderstood movies of our generation; Fight Club.

[@Chris_Meade]

Sean Dupree So many right wing mras love the movie and they don't even realize that it's making fun of them

[@1qwasz12]

what is a mra? What's wrong with right wing politics. It sure as hell is better than left wing lies that have murdered over 100 million people.

[@modestdreamer]

1qwasz12 I think it stands for Men's Rights Activists.

[@detectiveassassin7937]

The murders aren't gruesome but they are filmed in a very disturbing way , heck I rewatched the film recently and after watch the first half two days ago I had a nightmare . That part with the mother is pretty disturbing too .

[@Sahuagin]

I agree, I always think "oh yeah, that was an ok movie" and then remember "oh, it's the movie with _that_ scene... nevermind".

[@OptikRvB]

1 - Man that footage from Zodiac still looks crisp as heck 2 - The Game = highly underrated movie, it was my first exposure to Fincher, and after that I was hooked 3- I still remember that basement scene with the poster...and him just down there...and the implication that the home owner might have been the Zodiac....that tenseness, man. It was in the original cut as well as the director's cut 4- You know I am gonna vote for Big Trouble In Little China, but I'd be really interested to see or read your further thoughts on the movie Zodiac if you ever think to do something else on it. Really enjoyed this video man! Great stuff as always

[@AngelicRamen]

The basement scene actually terrified me. I really thought he could be the guy too for basically no reason.

[@richardwilliams2808]

When I saw Modesto California pop up on the screen I recalled that George Lucas is from there, and also realized he's about the right age, so just for fun I Googled "George Lucas Zodiac Killer" and somebody already wrote a book about him being the Zodiac that is only *probably* a joke. So that's a thing...

[@ExhaustedElox]

Oh my god, please do Big Trouble in Little China. I love every frame of that movie.

[@collaborator541]

The basement scene was the most terrifying scene i've ever seen in any movie, horror/thrillers included. I was 100% invested in the movie and was right with there with Gyllenhaal.

[@QUAD00DLE]

And if you like....

[@filmjoy]

+Noodler Man [m] CAUSING TROUBLE UP IN HOTEL ROOMS

[@riparianlife97701]

He repeats this joke over and over and over, and I don't get the reference.

[@modestdreamer]

Docktor Jim He used the song once to emphasize a point in a movie in one of his reviews, cuz he thought it genuinely worked despite being a corny pop song by a boy band. He got a lot of slack in the comments about it, so then it became an inside joke to overuse the song in future videos where it didn't fit and wasn't necessary, just to piss people off while winking and nodding at them.

[@stirlingalexander9543]

@@modestdreamer the phrase is got a lot of flack... not a lot of slack... just in case you are walking around for the last 2 years saying slack... i dont want fistycuffs, ust saying.

[@illuminocalypse5210]

Thankfully, the scene with Greysmith getting all freaked out and paranoid over Bob Vaughn IS indeed in the Theatrical Cut! That's my personal favorite scene in the whole movie, right there. It's SO masterfully written, blocked, shot, acted, edited... it just builds so much tension and it feels legitimately creepy! I love how Bob Vaughn slowly and gradually goes from being this regular everyday guy that Greysmith is getting some info from to just getting under the skin with his creep factor that's ALL just in Greysmith's head. 'Cuz in the end, despite Greysmith feeling all but certain he's about to DIE from this dude, Vaughn just... sees him out and politely bids him goodnight (all the while probably feeling more than a little creeped out HIMSELF by Greysmith's screwy, paranoid behavior and was likely just glad to've gotten him the hell outta his house :P)

[@-MrFozzy-]

Finally from 286k to 287k subscribers ....been waiting along time to see an increase! Very happy to see this!

[@samuelbarber6177]

I love this film. It’s such an interesting mystery and such a great story that I don’t even care that we don’t get answer to the mystery. It’s one of those films that immerses you in a time period without being heavy handed with the overuse of stuff like 60s/70s pop culture references, songs from the era or any attempt to shoot it like a film of that era. I dunno, that just makes it look much better and more realistic.

[@greghessel6624]

I just want to say I love this channel dude. You go into such depth in ways (with these movies that I love) I never thought possible. It’s like you are dissecting the animals these great films are into every piece they have, and you make them better then they already were.

[@albertthedragon2075]

Thank you for this wonderful video; I bloody LOVE and obsessed over this movie. It's wonderful.

[@maclunar]

Mikey, I just found your channel like 30 min ago. I love it. Love it, man. Keep up the awesome.

[@ZPM7]

i keep coming back to this video to hear Mikey sing, particularly this song. I think you did good Mikey!

[@moorebounce]

I feel the whole reason they made the movie was to show the police detectives came in contact with the Zodiac killer and had to let him go

[@Alex-hn1qy]

oh man that scene with the creepy dude in the basement is soo tense, I loved it. my vote is for Big Trouble in Little China

[@jrt99b]

So much about this review works beautifully, per usual. :) I don't know what prompted you to add the onscreen text but I am a big, big fan. Well done, good sir!

[@pjthebarbarian]

but seriously though this episode is just a fantastic example of your work getting better and better. There might be other episodes that I had more fun with (because I'd "actually seen" the "movie," or whatever), but the look of this one really impressed me. I didn't make it all the way through because I didn't want to let anything get by me. and those bouncy sparklewhatsits in the new intro!

[@pjthebarbarian]

+Paul Jennings ok my brain is malfunctioning? I meant that I didn't make it all the way through in one pass, going back to watch parts again before continuing. I did in fact watch the whole thing.

[@giggleloop13]

This was perfect, and absolutely got that 1D song stuck in my head for the last 24 hours. I'll add my vote for Big Trouble in Little China.

[@ClarenceDass]

I love all your videos; but this is one of my all time favourite movies so this episode really hit home. BUT damn it I found myself googling that damn One Direction song and that's the kind of curiosity I just don't wanna follow.

[@filmjoy]

[m] Here's a strange fact that now belongs to you. You posted this comment while I was rewatching this episode.

[@Psychohobobr]

I really like movies, but watching your analysis not only convinces me I have way more to learn, but also motivates me to do so. Thank you very much Mikey. Anyway I vote for L.A Confidential.

[@BigZ7337]

I rewatched this movie recently, and it is such a good film. Also, I love the style of your videos, they're incredibly entertaining. :)

[@selfy100]

I'm trying to make everyone I know watch these videos because the amount of production value and humor and fun, paired with the level of insight and credibility is amazing, and the view counts are a tragedy. Also my vote is for Big Trouble.

[@filmjoy]

+selfy100 [m] I've stopped looking at the view counts. They are what they are. Also, thanks for saying such nice things about the show!

[@VidJuracic]

This was just amazing! I hope in a few years you'll talk about a film of my like this:D ... Peace from Croatia

[@JoeSkeen]

More David Fincher please! He's definitely one of my favorite directors.

[@ShootingStarNeo]

I watched this video three or four times before I finally went and watched the damn movie. You were spot on, I loved it. Thanks, Mikey!

[@TsArun-qw6xn]

Is there any other channel like this guy? Amazing stuff. Showing me that I need to love this movie more than I already do!

[@dj2neo]

It's been a while since I watched LA Confidential, but I remember being intrigued when I watched it. There's my vote. I'm sooooooooo glad you finally got to do Zodiac. I think it's one of Fincher's most underrated movies. The tension is brilliant. I'm actually looking forward to a second analysis of Zodiac actually.

[@sambrown2438]

Wow, seriously dude you deserve way more subs, your video's are, in my honest opinion. The best movie reviews on KZbin, bar none!

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

Thank you, CINEMAWINS, this channel is awesome-- please do more Fincher!

[@Bobblehead400]

This is my favorite episode of Movies with Mikey

[@Samakain]

Big trouble! Also. Nailed it. Like you always do man.

[@BlueInkAlchemy]

The McPoyle friend is Jimmi Simpson and he's an absolutely wonderful person. I'm glad I got to share the stage with him once. Mikey, all of your content is wonderful. Please take care of yourself and keep bringing the awesome into our world.

[@AdamEichholz]

Hour long episode on Zodiac, please. :P You rock, Mikey.

[@AdamEichholz]

Oh yeah and I suppose I'll vote for LA Confidential cuz I've never seen it and I have a long-lasting memory of being entranced by the DVD cover of my mom's copy when I was like 8/9. Probably one of the first DVDs I ever saw.

[@davidmatteson9980]

also, i love ur episodes bud i do, seen almost all of them, i was crying on ur Amelie episode right alongside u...but i skipped this one and came back to it later because that hotel room joke jingle was so obnoxious i couldn't concentrate on what u were saying. ur great man honestly, i give ur channel 10 outta 10,

[@SaucyWrong]

I've wanted to see your take on Zodiac since it was first offered up as an option--a great episode for one of my favorite movies from the horror / comedy / family-drama / police-procedural genre! One of the bonus delights of this show is worrying over which movie to vote on for the next episode. The selection always seems to be carefully chosen to force a difficult choice, and I absolutely love it. Let's see Big Trouble in Little China next time around!

[@jrwins1974]

Outstanding episode, Miguel. Also, I'd love to see 'The Game' in the mix at some point, since you brought it up. But o holy crapsticks yes do 'Big Trouble' next please please.

[@SirJamestown]

I you ever want to do that second episode of Zodiac, then I will be there to watch it, but for now I think there is some Big Trouble in Little China that needs taking care of.

[@aaront4494]

Thank you Mikey, keep doing your thing.

[@SFinerFACE]

Big Trouble! Great episode, Mikey!

[@MrTombombodil]

Eyyyyyy. More of the goodness!

[@Zapphoman]

Great review.

[@OffThaDomeStudios]

Omg I didn't realize that dude was Casey jones's, he looked so familiar

[@yusefendure]

DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!! SUBSCRIBED! KEEP IT UP!!!!!!!

[@jayboogie8780]

love that intro dude

[@timefoambathray9339]

I need the LA Confidential episode in my life. I didn't know such glorious things could be possible

[@ThePov4224]

Dude, I'd LOVE to see Big Trouble in Little China

[@RonnieDFTBA]

Good video. That song got really frickin annoying.

[@modestdreamer]

Ronnie Bugia That's the point.

[@TomsThoughtsonThings]

jeff krahling That doesn't mean it isn't annoying, though

[@detectiveassassin7937]

@@modestdreamer Just like how Zodiac disappoints the audience on purpose .

[@Gearoidmacgiolla]

Its gotta be Big Trouble in Little china. Great episode :)

[@EveChelios]

"Dirty Harry" is based on the actual Zodiac case!!!!!! The film drew upon the actual case of the Zodiac Killer as the Callahan character seeks out a similar vicious psychopath." from Wikipedia. THAT'S WHY FINCHER PUT IT THERE!!!!

[@filmjoy]

+Eve Chelios [m] Yes. I understand that. I was pretending to "just remember" it the review. That's ... kinda my whole MO. I pretend I'm dumb and then point out, hopefully, astute observations about films.

[@EveChelios]

I enjoyed your video very much! You pointed out a lot of things I didn't know before so I was just so excited that I knew something you didn't mention that I wanted to share it with you. No criticism intended!

[@filmjoy]

+Eve Chelios [m] All good! Thanks for helping me out!

[@PepperCoyotes]

Your singing voice is double plus CHOICE. Seriously. Very good.

[@DADDYFATSACKABLE]

I know that L.A. Confidential is one of your favorite movies and it's one of my favorites too. So, I vote for L.A. Confidential. I know it probably won't beat out Big Trouble in Little China, but hopefully one day you can make a video about it.

[@mbryson2899]

Great breakdown of an amazing film. 10/10, would watch again.

[@adamsmith3413]

This was a great movie....great review and appreciation.

[@AgustinGrandsons]

Please please do that second take on Zodiac you feel like you could do I love this movie so much

[@Maximilianus101]

I know this is probably doomed to failure since Big Trouble is in the same lineup, but I would love to see you break down LA Confidential. It's one of my favorite films of all time. It really turned me on to the whole labyrinthine crime story as character drama sort of thing that I've been trying to pursue in my own writing ever since. As the poet wrote, kthxbye.

[@eDRoaCH]

Is this where I stuff the ballot box for Big Trouble in Little China? btw mikey- your mind is amazing, i love these little day trips through it

[@CheezyTime]

Love the movie. Love this video

[@Utieties]

Another great review. But now I have that 1D song stuck in my head.

[@steelstringd2018]

BUT IF YOU LIKE CAUSING TROUBLE UP IN HOTEL ROOOOMS~

[@riparianlife97701]

I don't get the reference. Drove me nuts.

[@modestdreamer]

Docktor Jim He used the song once to emphasize a point in a movie in one of his reviews, cuz he thought it genuinely worked despite being a corny pop song by a boy band. He got a lot of slack in the comments about it, so then it became an inside joke to overuse the song in future videos where it didn't fit and wasn't necessary, just to piss people off while winking and nodding at them.

[@Redcoat87]

You can feel the wind is rising baby

[@joelbyrnes6946]

That intro... Mikey... the majesty. Sooo good. Yeah I'd love to see you tackle The Game one day too, I think you'd wrangle a lot of interesting stuff out of that one. As for this weeks vote, I guess Big Trouble will win but the correct choice is LA Confidential, so I vote LA Confidential. Man, would I love to see you hit that one up. That's perfect for you. And as always, great episode! They never fail to get me to crack open the DVD case and have another viewing. Yeah! Ha! Put em up now!

[@WrightNDesk]

I already liked Zodiac before I saw this video, but since watching this, I've re-watched the movie twice and am gearing up for a third (after I finish reading Graysmith's book). I've had to admit that this is probably on my list of top five favorite movies, thanks to this video.

[@acrab1521]

You're making such great videos... Thanks! Also I vote LA confidential

[@jdmovieluver]

love this movie! it always annoyed me how underrated it was

[@TheSmellyboiboi]

my GOD MIKEY YOU CAN BLOODY SING.

[@SteveJonesPookieMan]

Let's do Big Trouble. My favorite revelation about BTILC is that Kurt Russell is not playing the hero, but rather witnessing the story and believing he's the hero.

[@pointlesstoll]

Big Trouble, definitely. Great video as always, Mikey.

[@LoudTristero]

Mission Impossible 3! I remember really liking it at the time, but then seeing Mission Impossible 4, which I felt like was the antithesis of 3, and loving the hell out of it. 3 is so drenched in melodrama, and I was just so happy to see the fun that they had in 4.

[@TheBancast]

Please someday do another one on Zodiac.

[@PineappleSplat]

One of the best movies I've seen about the realities of criminal justice vs. our expectations for it is Preminger's Anatomy of a Murder--I'd definitely recommend that as a slightly more light-hearted spin on this theme. As for the vote: I adore LA Confidential, I'd love to hear you talk about it.

[@Makishima240]

Good stuff

[@greghessel6624]

I’m from Vallejo and I was a little obsessed with this movie too.

[@The_Jastrom]

I'm going to vote for Big Trouble in Little Chine because I'd love to see your take on the film, Mikey. LA Confidential is a great film that you definitely should do but I'd love to see Big Trouble first. I remember watching the commentary for Big Trouble and hearing Carpenter and Russel talk about the film and how the studio just didn't get what they were doing with the Jack Burton character sounded fascinating because I didn't understand what they were getting at lol. Great job on Zodiac Mikey!.

[@dmagik8]

dope as always. please la confidential

[@movieguyjon]

Cool stuff. Out of curiosity, do you get pinged by copyright for the movie clips you use or does your commentary over the clip suffice?

[@filmjoy]

+movieguyjon [m] The copyright notices are automatic. They are generated by the ContentID system when the video is uploaded. I then fight the claim on the grounds of fair use, generally as a result of using clips of a film to facilitate commentary on said film, and the claims are almost always dismissed. Only when I use music is there nothing I can do (like using Spin Doctors in Demolition Man). But, that's my own fault anyway.

[@movieguyjon]

+Chainsawsuit Original Seems like music is pretty much the non-negotiable element, which is fine. I'm always curious of people's experiences because it seems some get harder than others and for different things.

[@thumbthumb5998]

This is the best movie review I know.

[@adamcortens4781]

I love this movie so much. Fincher's underrated masterpiece IMO. Tough call for next time, but gotta go with Big Trouble.

[@Ch3mG33k]

I always knew I loved this movie but was never able to put my finger on why. Now I can just point to this video.

[@Gigi_V_K]

It's not going to happen because everyone is AGAINST ME but my vote is for Mission Impossible. Ha ha I'd love to see you take on whatever goes on in those movies. This is seriously my favorite movie review/talk about/celebration video...thing. Thanks so much for the awesome show Mikey!

[@filmjoy]

+Gigi Valentine [m] Well, you are entirely welcome...d. Welcomed? Welcome? I'm not sure of the correct parlance here. Either way, thank you as well for watching!

[@BenSchiendelman]

I don't understand why your videos' like counts are missing a zero. How has this channel not exploded?

[@mr.shyryhud1659]

FINALLY watched this movie. Now I can sit down and watch this episode of MWM

[@kbucket]

THAT GUY WAS MINKUS!?!?!?! I love this film and BMW and never knew this. Thank you for educating me

[@nateds7326]

Dude 2007 was one of the best years for films ever. We got -No country for old men -there will bd blood -the bourne ultimatum -Zodiac(duh) -the assasination of jessey james by the coward robert ford(highly recomend) -hot fuzz -juno -atonement -the mist All being great. No country,there will be blood,jessey james,and zodiac in peticular are some oc the best films of all time

[@Astra7525]

1) Could you tell the audience how to vote for a movie? YT-comment? twitter? poll on your own page? 2) I did not get the One-Direction-awful-song-joke either. It was just frustrating me more and more with each repetition.

[@filmjoy]

+Astra7525 [m] 1) YT comment 2) That's perfectly okay.

[@BoneDryEye]

"Not many people have basements California"; the most innocuous line to ever make your blood freeze.

[@chadfops]

Oh God...you MUST do Big Trouble in Little China. That movie is perfect.

[@melman]

Ha, the one time I didn't vote for zodiac. Excellent review as always, when I first went to college and no one else has moved into the dorms yet, zodiac was the only dvd I had so I watched it at least fifty times. I remember thinking for the first time "this movie is nearly three hours long, but it could do with being a bit longer". Also this time I vote for la confidential, since everyone else is voting for big trouble and I'm a hipster.

[@clintrock]

that comment about yellow sorta blows the mind too, since greys Ithaca is known online in zodiac research circles as yellow book due to the color of his book being yellow, and the disdain some people have with him playing fast and loose with the facts... very loose in so excited cases.

[@flashfire201robloxlegosand8]

LA Confidential! Another great review btw. Your analysis is amazing. For being not syndicated, you have an amazing knowledge of film. More than any of my professors did anyhow. You're right up there with Stoklasa which is a great compliment as far as I'm concerned . Keep up the great work!

[@filmjoy]

+Justin Clark [m] I like that you can say Stoklasa and I know immediately what you mean. I will take that very generous compliment!

[@timefoambathray9339]

+Chainsawsuit Original I feel like you'd be great at Best of the Worst

[@TheZanzibarMan]

This guy, recording an entire 1D song.

[@mrloser1]

Fun and insightful, thanks! M:I:3!

[@NunSuperior]

"...runs away from like a frightened cartoon cat." A cartoon cat running away from a cartoon rabbit, perhaps?

[@joaquinmombergbarria516]

Best fincher movie, at least in my opinion.

[@PessyOpt]

LA Confidential DAGNABIT. One of my favorites.