How I managed to hope my door that was stuck shut on my 08 Silverado. Should be the same for GMC and possibly Tahoe/suburban/Yukon
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@masterg553 Жыл бұрын
I must have watched 10 useless videos before I found yours. Used my inflatable wedge and too a rod, heat up the end and bent it and did exactly what you did and popped it open. My problem wasn’t a broken cable, it was bone dry and just needed lube. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this bud. 😁
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to comment my man. Makes me glad I have helped everyone that has commented and only god knows how many that I helped that didn’t. I sure woulda used the same wedge you did if I had one! Lol
@RobertKey-hg1qd2 ай бұрын
Your video was dead on & very helpful! Thanks for the helpful info, saved me a lot of time & money!
@ZONES89RS2 ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know it was not made for nothing!
@RV-zl7pn Жыл бұрын
The dude was old school and went right to the point. Was trying for 2 1/2 hrs before I found his video. Was able to get door opened in under 2min with out removing door panel. This guy rocks!!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
That’s what I like to hear! Wish you found it sooner but glad you didn’t have to take anything apart
@shawnhunter92174 ай бұрын
I just crawled over to the passenger side of my truck to get out. 😩 I can’t wait to try this in the morning. Thank you!!
@cleophusfowler Жыл бұрын
Freakin' AWESOME!! My wife's 2013 Suburban wouldn't open from the inside or outside. She got home last night and had to crawl over the console to get out on the passenger side. Watched your video this morning, made a tool and popped her right open. Happy camper!! Also I want to add that for my wedge I used " window shims ". They're soft wood and available at almost any building supply. They won't scratch anything and they're really cheap. You get a whole pack for a couple of bucks. Thank you very much for such a helpful video!!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Glad the video is still giving to the community man. Excellent extra input for the shims!
@Rob4real-qi6hg15 күн бұрын
Old school straight to the point 👉 man I wish everybody channel was like this keep making videos hit that like everybody
@user-ke6ek4oi8k5 ай бұрын
Took me about 10 minutes of fiddling around, and I was about to call bullshit on you…. But then pop, it opened… nice work bro….
@ZONES89RS5 ай бұрын
Glad you stuck with it. I really regret not taking time to record inside of the door to give folks a better idea of what they are fishing for.
@ligmaballs18307 ай бұрын
Not all heroes wear capes. My 07 Yukon driver's door won't open and it's -12° out. Came across your video and I'm going to fix it this weekend. Cable came in today.
@ZONES89RS7 ай бұрын
Damn cold wrecked the cable I guess lol
@gregorydrennan34992 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you posted because my truck is been stuck for 10 years
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
Are you for real? Lol
@g.phelps5797 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣Dam
@g.phelps5797 Жыл бұрын
Dam 10 🤣🤣
@Gamer12358132134552 жыл бұрын
You are effing brilliant. Was into my 2011 Suburban (iSC humid day at noon) in about 30 secs after fashioning a tool with a coat hanger.
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
So far you are the second guy that this has helped. If I saved 2 people a headache then this video was more than worth it!
@shawnflanagan503 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit it worked for me too in less than a minute! Used a coat hanger with similar shape. Thanks!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Music to my ears!!!
@joelalverio18292 жыл бұрын
Dude you saved my ass !!! Thank you for the tip ! And to help you even better you can use an air bladder that you can pump up and make an opening without scratching anything , maybe you can make another video use if that method to advance your video, your the man bro I’m glad I saw your video
@joelalverio18292 жыл бұрын
You can buy it at Home Depot for $10 it’s about 6”x6” big and it can take on 300 lbs of pressure too
@joelalverio18292 жыл бұрын
If you want you can credit me for that , mahalo nui loa bro ! Joel Alverio
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
I’ll check it out. Glad the video was useful!
@dcvargas8917 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating this video. I made my rod out of thin but very stiff ground wire. I bent it just like yours. I rolled my window down and easily worked my rod in without having to widen the gap at all. It took me about 3 minutes of working it up and down until I found the spot that sprung my latch. The rest was easy after that. New handle is installed and both handles are functioning properly. I don’t know why the inside malfunctioned but I’m all good now. You’re my genius hero now!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@juicesghost85017 ай бұрын
Like this video to get it to the top- Took me about 10 minutes with a wire coat hanger and the window up from the inside in 0 degree weather- THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS
@ZONES89RS7 ай бұрын
Sorry the timing was bad for ya, I’m sure the cold is what did it in. I’m assuming it was the cable?
@juicesghost85017 ай бұрын
@@ZONES89RS Timing was perfect for me, just had it happen this last weekend. Yes the big storm we got froze it solid, and I assume the switch on the outside rod handle got stuck either middle, or up or down. Could not open door from out or in, was about to start taking the door apart from the inside when I found your video. instead grabbed a hanger and some pliers, made the rod you had with the 90 at the end, then went fishing from the drivers seat. awkward angles and being a giant fat guy in a huge winter coat made it harder but we got it handled. THANK YOU
@ZONES89RS7 ай бұрын
@@juicesghost8501 well, thanks to you I can now also confirm it can be done from the inside as well as a coat hanger can be used. The rod I used was definitely thicker so that’s excellent due to being a super common item. Thanks for sharing your details man!
@eddiebrownjr.27016 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. My 2011 yukon rear passenger wouldn't open. Watched your video and all is good now.
@ZONES89RS6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback my man. Every one of these makes me happy I made the footage
@Viralvault4u3 ай бұрын
Man! Good vid. 2 mins later after finding a rod, door is open
@ZONES89RS3 ай бұрын
Winning!!
@robertjohnson9635 ай бұрын
I’ve been watching videos where the dude just butchered the door panel. I’m on the Northside of Houston too, we have the worst heat/humidity lol. Great video, definitely about to gif this a try
@ZONES89RS5 ай бұрын
Should work for my my man. Just be patient. I wish I took a video of how it works internally so folks had that reference. Best of luck brotha!
@JustPlainCommonSense2 жыл бұрын
Watched the first 35 seconds and Subbed! Totally agree with what you said about the other videos on this problem. Thanks from NW Louisiana
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. I really feel I babbled too much but at least wanted to share specifics
@g.phelps5797 Жыл бұрын
Hey Cat Daddy I sure do appreciate that man, my sh*"t f-up on the driver side door,Got to find that kind of rod and flashlight. Look like you did that on a nice sunny day.. It's lil cool today here in Dallas Tx. Guess I take a break and go look at some football cuse I was getting pis off until I came across your video thanks again man !!!!!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Love it brother. Thanks for letting me know it helped another Chevy owner!!!
@BobKnox-eq9uh3 ай бұрын
Dude you act and sound just like me it was easy to understand you thanks bro
@ZONES89RS3 ай бұрын
Glad it helped man!
@chadhensley55 Жыл бұрын
Just got down to negative 8 degrees a few days ago now my door won’t open locks work key works but inside door handle had no pressure hoping this fixes my problems looks after a quick run to auto part store Merry Christmas
@jorgeperezdeprado8941 Жыл бұрын
Dude you are a god.!! My freaking back driver side door won't open inside or out....👍👍👍
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Hope it worked!!!
@duanelocke5892 Жыл бұрын
Good video. Plastic handles are garbage.
@brittanythomas86632 ай бұрын
I hope this works! My exterior door handle broke and we were just reaching around or opening the door from the inside. Then all of a sudden we can't open from either side.😅
@ZONES89RS2 ай бұрын
Well, it should I am going to make a new video as soon as the new cables come in and will show more detail as my other Silverado right rear door just did the same damn thing 🤣
@dynastydaley14 ай бұрын
Thank you brother have the same problem over here!
@fsjmtrouttrout83377 ай бұрын
I watched several videos on how to open the truck. None of them was on point. I watched yours and with a glow rod abd it's hook attached I figured out how to release the latch and get it open with no damage to the truck at all
@ZONES89RS7 ай бұрын
Winning. This video has gained traction lately with comments. These trucks aren’t getting any younger I suppose. lol
@rebmafosedahs Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the new information. Can’t wait to try this out.
@TheBilly5027 ай бұрын
Good tip, thanks. My driver door just did this and it's 10 below zero.... ugh
@ZONES89RS7 ай бұрын
That is horrible timing but the cold probably made it happen faster than it would have if I had to guess. Stay warm!!
@terrycox9132 Жыл бұрын
Right on brother appreciate calling it like you see it
@gcfwood7427 ай бұрын
Thanks for the post!!!!!!👍
@picklemetimbers3003 Жыл бұрын
I'm one of those poor bastards. Window is stuck up. You can remove all the bolts holding the inner door plastics on while the door is closed. Then pull up and shimmy back and forth. You can get the panel off near the top and bend it backwards. When you do you can see the inside of the handle where the cable is. I used a pair of needle nose vice grips, clamped the cable and pulled to unlatch the door. My cable was fine but the plastic housing where the cable goes into has a few of the plastic rivets broke off. When you would use the handle it would just flex the plastic, not putting enough tension on the cable. I just superglued that shit together. If it breaks again ill look into junkyard parts or just drill a hole, pull the cable through and be ghetto. Its an 07 work truck with 130k miles on it. Gonna drive this thing until it explodes.
@baddhouse31324 ай бұрын
Love the video brother, but please let me clarify my situation. The auto lock goes up and down perfectly. The outside or inside handles will not open the door. If I am understanding correctly, I basically need a slim jim just for the lock? Nothing is wrong with either the inside or outside door handles?
@ZONES89RS4 ай бұрын
This is when inner or outer handles won’t work. There is a cable that can break. In my instance it didn’t break all the way but still stretched out stopping me from using the handles. The locks will engage and disengage as they operate separate from the location where the cable ties in to the locking mechanism itself. I really wish I had the door apart when I did the video to show a more clear idea of what all is going on. Your door won’t open at all? A slim Jim will probably work. A thin rod definitely did the job. The thickness of a old car antenna works
@goldenhealer5645 Жыл бұрын
Thanks very simple which I like a lot.
@scotts4125 Жыл бұрын
I'm an automotive only locksmith and have opened many vehicles like this. I have never needed the window down and actually think it's easier with the window up. I was doing this with down the door lights, wedges and rods similar to the one you made. Well now we have cheap borescopes it's even easier. I get them from the outside with the window up. We run between 100 to 150 calls per week so there isn't much I haven't seen in 40 years of doing this.
@tylermcconnell22228 ай бұрын
So I fixed my issue, but I'm curious if you've ever seen what happened to me. I pried the door panel open and watched all the mechanisms function properly. The lock, inside handle, and outside handle all moved their lever arms correctly and even made the right clicking sounds. Anyways the door refused to open after hours of monkeying around with it. I took the seat out and ripped off the door panel. Reached in to disconnect the linkage for the outside door handle, pulled the inside handle and it opened. I reconnected the outside handle linkage and everything works fine and dandy now... it makes no sense to me
@scotts41258 ай бұрын
@@tylermcconnell2222 Yes I have seen this. Sometimes one of the linkages is partially activated and it won't let the door open. Sort of stuck in a middle position. I would also keep an eye on the latch. It could be on it's way out. There isn't much with door issues I haven't seen. Some newer cars with dead batteries won't even unlock with a key. They aren't stuck as we unlock them with a tool but it's nuts they have "emergency" key inside fobs but if the battery is dead they won't unlock. We get these calls everyday.
@tylermcconnell22228 ай бұрын
I've heard nightmare stories of cars not unlocking with a dead battery and you can't get under the hood to charge it because you need to get inside the car to pop the hood... lol. it amazes me how ignorant engineers can be. But thanks for the reply, I think you're right about the linkage being partially engaged, that makes sense. But I might consider replacing the latch since that's also a possibility. I lubed it up in the mean time so hopefully no more problems.
@scotts41258 ай бұрын
@@tylermcconnell2222 Some guys put power to the starter or they pull an easy to get to light and apply power to that and the door should open with the key. Those engineers help put my son through college so I'm not mad at them. lol
@zzyion025 ай бұрын
2008 Chevy Silverado, passenger door won't open...not the cable, it's the malfunction of the door latch...that release is stuck and won't move to free things...another idea how to get the latch to release?
@josephgibbons16314 ай бұрын
Nice but I watched this twice and still unclear as to where the wedge is vs the glass. Is it door-glass-wedge-door?
@ZONES89RS4 ай бұрын
Between the glass and the seal, towards the rear giving a little room for whatever tool you will be using
@myleshogan3799 Жыл бұрын
love it man, thanks. I am having the issue of the door not opening from only the inside. Same truck and I think I need to replace the cable, you mentioned replacing the cable. You got the door panel off without tearin that shit up like the famous door fixin video?? Thanks
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
If it’s the inside or outside only, it can be the same issue with a broken cable or the connection to either handle.
@richardstory8483 Жыл бұрын
This worked it was just like he said it was that easy and just want to say that you for doing the video
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
I’m as happy as I could be to have made a video that has seemed to help so many!
@jdrissel7 ай бұрын
I am going to try it. Door broke on the way home from Christmas trip.
@kylesteinberger49792 жыл бұрын
This shit happened to my driver door and your vid was the only useful shit out there😂
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
See? MF like you got me feeling happy I took the initiative to do this because I was the same way. Like, who the fk is there no simple ass video on how to open this bitch?
@AJ-nh8ik2 жыл бұрын
@@ZONES89RS It doesn't matter what the situation is, if you have a problem, there is someone out there that is experiencing that exact same problem. I wish I had the time and resources to make videos on all the stuff I encounter just to help others out. I just wish more people understood this concept.
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
@@AJ-nh8ik you are not even wrong!
@ajax8058 Жыл бұрын
Man loving the video, it the only option out there w/o tearing out the seat. Which I do not want to do. Question.....am I pushing or pulling to unlock the door with the hanger?
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
I think I pushed down if memory serves. It’s starting to get fuzzy since I made this video. Lol
@ajax8058 Жыл бұрын
@@ZONES89RS Yep it opened by pushing down. I really appreciate the video. Worked like a charm.
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
@@ajax8058 thanks for letting me know that this video was totally worth making my friend!
@andyspence5755 Жыл бұрын
You are awesome. Took longer to find coat hanger Thanks
@robbufford6210 Жыл бұрын
Once you were able to get the door unlock. What did you do afterwards to prevent it from happening again? Did you have to oil any of the parts. Great video and I’m going to try this today. The rod you used I don’t have, but could I try it with a wire hanger? Thanks
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Coat hanger is a little thin I think. But, mine needed a new cable that I got for a few bucks off of Amazon. Been perfect ever since
@BackyardBrews Жыл бұрын
God help me! Thanks for Information sir!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting me know it helped!
@am6066 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video but it didn’t work! Spent an hour on it to no avail! Spent another hour unbolting the seat, of course I needed to go buy a set of E-Torx sockets, then find out the nuts were #15 metric (deep well of course!). Removed the front seat and amazingly the door panel came off pretty easy (the drivers door panel has a retaining screw in it, but the passenger side doesn’t!??) after the panel was off, I pulled on the door lock/unlock rod & the door release handle: don’t know WHAT caused the door to open BUT it did!
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you just had a sticking latch or something different. Sorry you had to go through all that.
@l963nnn210 күн бұрын
F..k I wish I found this earlier. 🥺
@davidholder358 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your video
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Glad another Chevy owner found it useful!
@mybricksters9800 Жыл бұрын
Mine was just stuck like this luckily my cable wasn’t snapped so I put the key in turned it back and forth and pulled on the inside door handle and it finally opened
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
That is excellent that it was the driver door!
@glife2713 Жыл бұрын
Great video bro..
@atxjax14 ай бұрын
Having same issue on a extended cab 08 Sierra. I pulled the outside trim piece off and can see the rod with the orange plastic piece attached to it. from the handle. I can watch it push down when pulling on the handle and can also push down on it with a rod similar to what you have in the video and the door won't open. Out of ideas.
@ZONES89RS4 ай бұрын
That’s odd. Might have to have someone push in on the door while doing so? You might have a bit bigger mechanical failure than the cable being broken
@atxjax14 ай бұрын
@@ZONES89RS I managed to get the extended cab door panel off and backed off the bolts going into the nut plate. Then had to cut the bolts because they were too long for the door to open. Once I had the door open the striker was stuck in the actuator. I pulled in the cable but it was frayed. Once I removed the cable I was able to use the outside handle to open it and remove the striker. My guess is that the cable was frayed internally and was putting just enough pull on the mechanism and was stuck in a in between state. $10 Amazon cable fixed me right up and I didn't have to break any of the door panels. Just a few clips went bad. Thanks for the inspiration to get this done.
@ZONES89RS4 ай бұрын
@@atxjax1 well, I hope this is useful for some guy searching the comments that has the same situation. Glad you got it. But wish it was easier like the rest of us had it
@atxjax14 ай бұрын
@@ZONES89RS Now that I think about it, I probably didnt need to cut the bolts. I could have disconnected the safety catch from the extended door lever and opened the extended door. But it's done and I bought new bolts. Working like new again. Hope this helps someone else. Thanks for your video.
@jl4567 ай бұрын
Tried this on the rear door and it must be different than the front because it’s not working.
@ZONES89RS7 ай бұрын
Generally it is the same design I believe. The latch mechanism has a tab that goes downward to open the door like the fronts do. Just swapped rear latch on my latest 08 truck.
@justinaz282 Жыл бұрын
My door was stuck shut after replacing the interior door handle and the cable was damaged. I had to cut the cable to release tension and then the outside handle worked again.
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Glad you got it
@dantraviouswoods8641 Жыл бұрын
All the bs videos i watched and you hit the hammer on the nail.
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
It is exactly why I had to make the video. No one else was helpful at all to be honest. Lol
@levihollo3948 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if ya might be able to go thru the door lock they come off easy enough and seem like the hole down thru the door panel is big enough just not sure if the openings end up going to the right area
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Maybe, would just have to fight the rod that manually locks the door
@marieepperley60337 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@TexasLady1025 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I saw your video on the Silverado door. I bought a 2011 z71 extended cab. The passaged door will not open from the inside. I can’t roll the passenger window down from the driver side either. I am a girl and really don’t want to get ripped off from a mechanic her in Livingston. You have any clue what could be going on? Thanks in advance.
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Why won’t the winds roll down?
@420flying611 ай бұрын
Careful with the cheap shit mine only last 3 weeks
@ZONES89RS11 ай бұрын
Always a gamble. I watch the ratings heavily and read reviews. My amazon cable has been fine since making this thankfully
@isaihamedford252210 ай бұрын
Where can you buy the rod at
@ZONES89RS10 ай бұрын
I just used a random piece of metal I had. Needs to be about like a antenna for a car
@texascrossbowdude636 Жыл бұрын
Ill be giving this a try, what is the permanent fix?
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
This is to get it open to repair the broken cable. Order the cable ahead of time unless you want to verify first in the event it is some other issue
@Rob4real-qi6hg15 күн бұрын
Let's goooooo thank you
@juniorortiz2928 Жыл бұрын
I have 4 door Silverado and the rear door on the driver side will not open from the inside or the outside do you think with that rod I can open the rear door?
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
I’d bet it works the same way.
@trinacasillas3902 жыл бұрын
This worked perfect to get the door open!!! Thank you
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad if anything it made at least one persons life easier!
@6G-cr2lj4 ай бұрын
All you have to do is to roll up the window to open.tje door that happens to my tahoe 03 ls v8 when windows down it won't open the door fro. The I side you have to roll up the WI dow in order to open it thank you flaco gee fro. SAN ANTO IO
@simonspengler6262 жыл бұрын
Here is a solution. My door was stuck shut. Where the inside door handle cable meets the actuator it hooks behind a metal fork. (Look at a diagram of your gm actuator.) My metal fork was stuck forward in the open position. Pulling the inside and outside door handles was ineffective because the actuator was already stuck in the open position. I soaked the actuator in WD-40, spraying most importantly towards the metal fork. Then I reached into the door with a long flathead screwdriver and pushed the metal fork back into the closed position. The door opened immediately.
@ZONES89RS2 жыл бұрын
This is for those of us with a broken cable. Glad you managed to get your situated!
@alexmata2962 жыл бұрын
Ok cool, I was about to tear out my panel. Ty
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped man. I was all about trying to figure out a way that didn’t involve a massive headache or destroy interior or exterior!
@tukufuzubar7023 Жыл бұрын
What would be nice is if you took your door panel off with that in it and just give us all a good idea what you hit to open it up when this happens
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
I believe someone else has done that. I didn’t think about it til after already doing repairs. Sorry my man.
@Rob4real-qi6hg15 күн бұрын
Did you say outside of the glass or inside
@ZONES89RS14 күн бұрын
@@Rob4real-qi6hg outside I recently uploaded another video that goes a lot further in to detail with the door apart if you need to see specifics
@snooterdavid1969 Жыл бұрын
Does it push down or pull up to open?
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Push down
@auDipquid Жыл бұрын
What do you do if all the windows are up and your locked out?
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Seems like a issue I’d be trying to get someone to bring me my spare set of keys. I’m sure someone could use a slimjin or other tool that has experience
@dasshape006 ай бұрын
Thx
@overthrone3494 Жыл бұрын
What year/generation is this? I’m having this problem with my Gen 3 07 tahoe
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Late 07 to 2014 should be similar
@kabolamoto-8611 Жыл бұрын
thanks bro
@jasonstclair13293 ай бұрын
Other than having a foul mouth you wouldn’t kiss your mother with and not being able to answer a simple question on which side of the glass to spread the door for access. This video gets an D - grade, best to watch with volume muted as the procedure works
@ZONES89RS3 ай бұрын
I’m ugly as sin so that makes it even worse 🤣
@peterreimer6397 Жыл бұрын
Lol thanks that's the only thing that worked
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@m.l2321 Жыл бұрын
… so what just happened? 🤷🏻♂️
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Judging by the comments; it seems to have helped a ton of people
@XenoVI2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't of happened if you had put a V-tech under the hood
@scottwennick3144 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I found another that shows inside what is happening and the lever that you need to push down (not pull up) to release the mechanism. I’ll be attempting the fix today. Thanks again, I really did not want to destroy the inside door panel (like the video you mentioned). Here is the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJnbnaaXftd1kMU
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
I believe that’s the video I used to give me an idea of what I should be seeing in there when I close my eyes while fishing around. Lol
@tommywhite839 Жыл бұрын
Info was good...wish the language was cleaner...no excuse for all the foul 4 letter words...no respect for the viewer.
@ZONES89RS Жыл бұрын
Good thing I didn’t make this for any purpose that is around the use of certain words. I’m not part of the offended generation so you will have to either understand that or be offended like the offended kind would be. I couldn’t please everyone if I tried so I won’t bother. Hope the content helped
@juancava829 Жыл бұрын
What a kkaren you are. Tammy white
@goldenhealer5645 Жыл бұрын
@@ZONES89RS Everyone has their own way to express himself. If Tommy can't accept that and realize that everyone is different then he can move on. If Z helped you that should be good enough.