Squeaky (the yellow car) and I had just burned through a set of RE71RS's and while that tire gave my setup incredible grip and better lap times, I as a driver needed some real seats. With the slower and less grippy Conti's, the car is at the right balance and playfulness and that tire is very thermally stable; seems like it can play that way all day long which I did that day. End of the day I was exhausted. On my final session I burned through most of a tank of gas and only came off when I had an empty tank; tires were just warm to the touch.
@PartsDaddy6 ай бұрын
1.3 seconds with much slower contis and no aero is pretty impressive and speaks volumes about the shortcoming of the KW dampers. Looks like the yellow car could benefit from some alignment or setup changes too.
@TranceFur6 ай бұрын
I’m sure KW makes great motorsports dampers, but I couldn’t stand my V3s (on E36 M3). They’re supposed to be street oriented coilovers that can handle some track use, but I found them to be pretty awful on the street, and entirely unimpressive on track. Switched to Annex FastRoad Pro coilovers, and for $1000 less they’re everything I wanted the KWs to be.
@stwest796 ай бұрын
I can’t believe with all the s2000 videos that you don’t own one at the moment.
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Well that's exactly why I don't own one. I can drive them basically whenever I want LOL
@stwest796 ай бұрын
@zygrene valid point. You and Kevin have me spinning whether to keep my gr86 paired with my type r or find something else. All this s2000 content makes it tempting.
@DaftDriver6 ай бұрын
Was looking for an upgrade to OEM AP2 sus, leaning towards DFV's with a front sway bar, thanks for the S2000 content!
@PartsDaddy6 ай бұрын
That's pretty much the gold standard for ride comfort and the occasional track day. It won't slam the car if that's what you're looking for. I'm a dealer and would be happy to get you set up for a great price.
@josephreyes26016 ай бұрын
Nice comparison. 👍🏾 Scary part with the first S2K. Always look forward to your videos!
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Definitely a WTF moment
@CruiseControl16 ай бұрын
How fun to be able to drive all these back to back like that! Awesome video and who doesn’t love rip some vtec
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
I've never turned down an offer to review an S2K on track
@93455Driver6 ай бұрын
Seemed very smooth and zen like in Bluey.
@jackzhang67056 ай бұрын
Your amazing track driving skills really shone in this video! Three S2Ks with different tires and setup and you were able to handle the car well near/at the limit. Don’t let all the seat time and experience with the FR platform go to waste! Looking forward to more FR/MR track content! 🔥
@coldvaper6 ай бұрын
That Blue S2 seemed spot on.
@TheSpoonek96 ай бұрын
honestly , the only way to really do a comparison is data, seem like there is aim logger on one car and it should be easy to install between the cars, that would be the only way to really see the difference.
@AngryManSki6 ай бұрын
Excellent content.
@danielescobedo84606 ай бұрын
Fantastic, thanks for sharing
@sbfd3s6 ай бұрын
I've never been a fan of KWs for this platform, all of their off the shelf options are too soft for track duty. Even when they first came out they were slower than the other off the shelf options of the time, I'd only image this problem has gotten worse with how much sticker tires are now.
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
I've driven a couple of cars with KW Clubsports on the street, and they feel great. Need to try it on track next.
@DC5Brandon6 ай бұрын
Actually, the V3 is designed to be a street coilover with occasional track use, but my Cayman drove better at autocross when I changed the compression and rebound from the default street setting. The general rule is lowest rebound and highest compression for your platform. Not sure what the actual clicks to set for the S2000 though.
@sbfd3s6 ай бұрын
@@DC5BrandonI know they aren't a dedicated track oriented coilover and imo they are too soft for your average hpde warrior but I see them recommended from time to time or in track builds. The V3 CR are barely an improvement over the V3. KW need to release a new coilover for the S2K, the V3s are from like the mid 2000s. I'm sure they could make something way better now
@Remenschneider6 ай бұрын
@@sbfd3s Yes, the V3 is categorized as "street performance" by KW. Even though off-the-shelf there is only a V3 Clubsport, you "could" get something custom made via Development Request. In theory, the options are V4/V5 Clubsport and V3/V4/V5/V6 Racing. Someone from the US recently got them to develop a V5 for the NA1/2 NSX...
@user-jr1rz8ce9v6 ай бұрын
I have kw v3 on my miata but never loved them either. Their sales pitch was they developed those shocks on a chassis dyno. The rear doesnt have enough travel or bottom out control and i frequently bottom out around town even on max ride height
@TheCorington6 ай бұрын
It mostly bottoms out because the spring rate on KWs is so low. On a nc it is 5/4kg progressive. The dampers themselves are decent and have enough travel.
@maxseminck80606 ай бұрын
Great driving 💪😊
@echowhiskey176 ай бұрын
Niiiiceeeeee. Great owners, great drivers, great cars, great video.
@joshuahuh28247 күн бұрын
great informative video! may i ask what hood that is on the blue s2k?
@devinpenny86156 ай бұрын
Great video. What are the wheel offsets, these are all 255 square tire setups? Would love to have the KW clubsports included here because they are more track focused over the V3 which is street focused. Would also love to hear your opinion on the OSG diff vs stock as I imagined it would contribute more to lap times then it seems to be doing.
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Yup all 255 square setups with 17" wheels. Unsure of the offsets. OSG diff definitely helps corner exit but I actually find that the OEM diff, if in good condition, does a pretty good job.
@pinkertonpunk6 ай бұрын
Do you know who tuned the OSG? Just curious.
@volodymyrshoniia24246 ай бұрын
The best suspension is the one that has properly matching springs and damping for the specific car setup and driver. Just get tractive, adjust it on the fly, forget the rest, forget that you had extra $6-9k before getting it.
@KeynSong6 ай бұрын
Missing the best of class, MCS suspension.
@AnotherMotorist6 ай бұрын
Harris, how much was 15k mile s2k pick up? Awesome for adding both road and track miles on such a low mi pickup
@harrykwan7346 ай бұрын
you mean how much did I pay for it? I bought it for 32 back in April. had a few issues due to it sitting for a few years but after resolving them it turned out to be a very good buy. it's a sweet car with just the right mods now. just need to quiet the brakes a bit.
@massimilianozeni18486 ай бұрын
ahah just like the second s2000 I bought one with 25k miles in 2018 with the idea to enjoy it original and now it is modified and I track it as much as I can which is not much but still :) buy the finest showroom example and then trash it ahah well I keep it well honestly I just enjoy it as it should be enjoyed. nice review very interesting. I have the 71rs on my S660 here in Hong Kong and they really are incredible and well behaved on the road like a normal tire. My s2000 wear Nankang AR1 and it seems to be on a tractor tire in comparison
@yeedle796 ай бұрын
I had the same experience with the V3's. They also fall off and seem to get a lot worse when putting a lot of laps on them in a full session.
@bryanlum796326 күн бұрын
Will the Tillett B8 seats fit with full interior with out rubbing door panel or inner panel trim?
@Skubi11116 ай бұрын
Would be nice if you could check KW CS equipped car too because that’s more track enthusiast specific product than V3
@albertomiragil8504 ай бұрын
you should test a "cheap" option like bc racing, to see the diference between a 1000$ and 4000$ like jrz
@vivekh76626 ай бұрын
RE-71RS's go off a little bit after 2-3 laps for me.
@bannister5566 ай бұрын
Excellent.
@deangreengaming6 ай бұрын
on the 2007 Rio Yellow S2000 what sequential shift light is that
@jcmazss6 ай бұрын
Hope you have some earplugs coz holy brake squealing batman. Did you think the rigid collars make a difference compared to the other S2ks?
@proraceer076 ай бұрын
Why does the door on the blue s2000 look like a face imprint on it…
@jasonwang34136 ай бұрын
Someone backed into it with their SUV a couple months ago. 😢
@s13kuminachu4 ай бұрын
Looking for a set of wheels.. Id like to run 17x9 with 245s square. Does anyone have recommendations? Barber motorsport days and autocross. I dont want to roll fenders. Should i stick to a 60mm offset?
@s.a.i.v6 ай бұрын
16k/16k 😅
@douglaslim33164 ай бұрын
What shift light is that in the yellow s2000?
@sonydominates6 ай бұрын
Great comparison. I know the AP1 has some differences, but would you think the AP2 comparisons would translate similarly into AP1 going for similar setups? Thanks!
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
I would think the same mods would translate to the AP1 also, maybe with minor differences due to suspension geometry.
@sonydominates6 ай бұрын
@@ZygreneAwesome! Thanks for the reply! Love your content!
@FCustureri6 ай бұрын
Any noticeable difference in the shifter feel on the blue car? I have been eyeing the Hybrid detent springs for a bit, but haven't seen much feedback on them.
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
TBH I didn't notice any difference in shifter feel, but I did notice I could shift quicker with the blue car (maybe due to the clutch)
@Newyen6MT6 ай бұрын
They give a more solid engagement and disengagement in gears. I personally like them but some may find it too stiff. They’ve definitely broken in and got softer
@umaireg66 ай бұрын
How were these compared to the prius? 😅
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Prius stomps all over VTEC
@javiercuevassanchez64465 ай бұрын
I thought fortune auto are best coilovers in track market?
@commonduck106 ай бұрын
You know alot people with these cars…what city yall in?
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Bay Area (and California in general) has a ton of S2000s
@wsgithens6 ай бұрын
Nice video. What model tillet seat and rail did they have???? Thanks!
@TypeVertigo6 ай бұрын
I went over Tillett's website, and based on the overall shape, the seat looks like it's the B8 model with the optional two-panel cushion set added. The seat by itself is padded only on the headrest by default. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident it's the B8. Hope this helps
@minSUCCC6 ай бұрын
Are those the 17x10 SM10RS on the Rio Yellow S2000?
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Not sure if they're x10 or x9.5
@minSUCCC6 ай бұрын
@@Zygrene They're 10 then. Their 9.5 has that weird concave in the center, but convex towards the edge thing going on to help with brake clearance, but doesn't look as good as an actual concave face. However, I do wish Apex would make a slightly lower offset version of the 17x10 in 5x114.3 so that they'd look a tiny bit more concave hehe
@harrykwan7346 ай бұрын
you are correct!
@W33lhop6 ай бұрын
If you wanna drive another TTX car in a month or so, hit me up
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Oooh boy I will take you up on that Nate. Will reach out
@W33lhop6 ай бұрын
@@Zygrene hmu dude. I'll be in a sling for another week or two but I'll probably be coming out a bit after that.
@johnmitchell22696 ай бұрын
Seemed to be some understeer on the first car. Did the second car have any copper grease inside the calipers?
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
Yeah the first car (silver) understeered more than the third (blue). Yellow car had the most under and over steer, probably because of the tires.
@harrykwan7346 ай бұрын
no would that help with squeal? it's honestly driving me nuts.
@DIYGuysvideo6 ай бұрын
The squeal is likely just the C43 kit with race hardware on the rotors. It just be like that
@harrykwan7346 ай бұрын
@@DIYGuysvideo yeah no way around it; except of course to switch to a lesser caliper. since my car will not be turned fully into track focus I may do that in the future.
@yasuke10756 ай бұрын
Were those V3s or V3 club sports?
@yasuke10756 ай бұрын
Nvm, description answered my question. You would like well setup clubsport set. Better damping profile for track work and slightly stiffer spring rates. The normal V3s are like a touge setup.
@Zygrene6 ай бұрын
@@yasuke1075 yeah I've done a few canyon drives in other platforms equipped with KW CS and they feel great
@lexzenis25443 ай бұрын
please spare me with the "propriety mods" hush- you dont work for NASA ok.
@876yuugt6 ай бұрын
Always say no to twin tubes... (KW) HKS Hipermax Rs FTW for 2 way adjustable. Height/damping
@9kalltheway6 ай бұрын
Js racing.
@endlesstwisties6 ай бұрын
Don't use the Oem hardtop on track. It will bend from forces in the corners and is very expensive and collectable these days
@876yuugt6 ай бұрын
That's a lot of body flex then... no bueno
@nlxsteve6 ай бұрын
Twss
@gigi94676 ай бұрын
If u are gonna keep comparing s2k can u at least throw a miata in there somewhere not just the failed Sport car please..
@harrybuhse86226 ай бұрын
What would a random miata add to a suspension comparison?
@gigi94676 ай бұрын
@@harrybuhse8622 what does a discontinued car add to this world of faster and more modern cars?? All u guys idolize this and other old jap cars but its not until U won one u find out that well.. they old lol there is a reason zygrene doesnt have one and so many other bought and sold them.
@statusquoreject6 ай бұрын
interesting video, but there are too many variables (wheels, tires, spring rates, dampeners, cost of suspension, how old each design is) to be accurate
@cowdoodles3 ай бұрын
5:40 gatekeeping is for losers grow up. @harrykwan734