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@ivorstorytotell2226
@ivorstorytotell2226 3 сағат бұрын
These two actually typify the manner in which the police try to abuse their power. If you are confident that you are not committing an offence, then you can simply refuse to engage with any police officer. Lets face it, most police officers don't know the law they are supposed to uphold.
@leesherman9686
@leesherman9686 22 сағат бұрын
Quick one guys! Im going to Cyprus soon and want to take my DJI min 4 pro. I can take this and fly out there with no issues correct?
@FeathersMcGraw1
@FeathersMcGraw1 22 сағат бұрын
Signed in with a hotmail account but still unable to download leaflets.
@Geeksvana
@Geeksvana 22 сағат бұрын
That is annoying. Just checked and it is working for me. Send me an email to [email protected] and I will email them to you in a zip.
@user-DrJoe-Future
@user-DrJoe-Future Күн бұрын
Those are huge fines. It may be too risky to fly a drone in the US.
@terranceyeo3087
@terranceyeo3087 Күн бұрын
All the data is on reports to the police from the public, with no info on crimes committed or just spoken to or was legally flying
@terranceyeo3087
@terranceyeo3087 Күн бұрын
one thing it will stop them pesky police asking for your info and we thing you are not allowed to fly there, you can just say check your phone all the info is there now go away
@ImpartiallySpeaking
@ImpartiallySpeaking 2 күн бұрын
The best way to avoid confrontation is for police to be trained in drone legislation where all too often police attending drone flyers don’t have a clue
@ImpartiallySpeaking
@ImpartiallySpeaking 2 күн бұрын
So long as it doesn’t become a money making scam where police forces could potentially be on a percentage of the money secured from fines involving police officers who aren’t trained in U.K. drone law and mostly don’t have a clue with many all too keen to make false accusations against auditors
@WILKY422
@WILKY422 3 күн бұрын
Excellent info
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
It's like a rollercoaster of answers from them. Will be very interested to see if we find out who the person was that answered that email thread. I really think that the CAA should release that information. Perhaps not the person's name but definitely their position and qualifications.
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
This is most likely someone in a junior position. As drones 'generally' don't pose a significant risk the CAA have probably thought that giving the job of answering the questions to someone without as much knowledge isn't too bad. Of course it is bad if they're giving out incorrect information. I only believe it may be someone junior due to the spelling mistake in one of the emails. Could have been a genuine slip but I'm getting a younger person vibe by the way the replies are worded anyway. Not putting a person's name on an email I think is exceptionally unprofessional and I definitely wouldn't expect it from a body such as the CAA. I'm wondering if they're aware that emails are being sent out with literally no oversight? Hopefully all the emails are logged against who is working at the time though so they can figure out who sent what if required though. If not then that is a fairly worrying state of affairs.
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
Edit - Yep ignore. It did it again a little later on. Just seemed funny that it happened at that exact point the first time I noticed it 😉 At 8:53 was the logo flashing on the screen deliberate as a joke to go along with what you were saying? 😉 No idea why I noticed it happen there and it may be that it does it at other times so if that's the case then please ignore!
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
Yes they got it wrong but I don't see how this advice is harmful like you say? If people stay further away then that's safer all round. Yes it might not be the correct advice but definitely I don't see it as harmful? I so emailed them about flying over bridges and filming as there was a quite large thread online and nobody seemed to know the answer. I got back a nicely detailed email as to why even with a sub 250g drone they didn't think you should do so and it was what I had thought would be their answer. They said that as the bridge in question has vehicles crossing it then the vehicles and thus the occupants of the vehicles would very possibly be seen as a 'crowd' because of the reason that nobody in the vehicles (other than the driver) would be able to get out of the way of the drone should it come falling down in front of the vehicle. I think that is very sound advice as vehicles and occupants should definitely be viewed as a crowd. If your drone (sub 250g) were to come down in front of a vehicle you've got to think what might happen as it could easily make the driver swerve and cause a very nasty accident. For that reason I believe they are totally right with the email they sent out to me. Also if you were to ask the CAA for confirmation on an issue due to something perhaps not being 100% clear and then you follow that information and get into trouble then you would definitely have excellent evidence to provide in court. It's definitely up to every drone pilot to ensure they know and follow the rules but if you've specifically asked the one governing body that makes those rules then I'm pretty certain you'd absolutely be covered in law. Unfortunately weight is not always the best marker for types as speed is a definite factor too. A sub 250g drone flying at maximum of 20mph will do a whole less damage than one flying at say 60mph if it were to come into contact with an aircraft say. It's not at all easy to just blanket it and say all sub 250g drones are safe as there are some that go at crazy speeds and would do a massive amount of damage if they were to crash into an aircraft as low a possibility as that is.
@Geeksvana
@Geeksvana 3 күн бұрын
We didn't state there was any danger in the advice. In fact, we said the opposite several times. However, a national regulator should get it right every time. What would have happened if a police officer called to confirm the regulations during a call dealing with a drone complaint, (this does happen). Then the drone pilot would face potential prosecution. That is just one scenario. In any case, the regulator should have the processes in place to prevent this. The CAA agree with this and we have a follow up coming explaining the changes they have now made. Your example also shows an example of incompetent advice. Someone in a moving vehicle is not someone unable to move out of the way under the regs or legislation. In fact, we have interviews on this channel with CAA policy lead confirming that you can fly over cars with sUAS as the person is protected. The danger is if we allow incompetent advice to be the norm, we end up giving away the rightd we have to operate safely. Keep in mind that drones is the safest form of aviation by a long shot.
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
@@Geeksvana Sorry I wrote my comment while watching the video and it was at the point you'd said the advice was harmful which is why I wrote what I said. I see you changed that later when someone mentioned that it was safer advice.
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
@@Geeksvana Passengers can't move out of the way though? Only the driver would be able to take any avoiding action and that action could put passengers at risk which is why I believe they said what they said. I'll say this though the CAA usually get things right however I'm a fully qualified PPL(h) and I've seen them get things wrong on much larger issues in the past. Mistakes unfortunately do get made and I agree with you that if you were to press the issue and formally state you think the information they're giving is incorrect and you'd like someone higher up to take a look then indeed they should do that.
@Geeksvana
@Geeksvana 3 күн бұрын
@MarkBowenPiano if you watch the A2 CofC interview with the CAA from last year it is all explained there. Essentially, if you are flying a small drone, it is unlikely that it would be able to even penetrate the windscreen, let alone cause any harm. This is why lighter drones are allowed closer to people. Keep in mind that much heavier drones are routinely flown over traffic every day across the UK, with drone pilots flying under operational authorisation. There is always a debate about what should and shouldn't be included, but the legislation at the moment allows flight over cars in the open category. Therefore, Article 241 issues aside, the CAA should be advising people correctly.
@MarkBowenPiano
@MarkBowenPiano 3 күн бұрын
@@Geeksvana I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with what can happen with sub 250g drones hitting an aircraft as I've seen exactly what even a small bird can do to the screen and rotors of a helicopter. I totally admit that this is was a one off that I have witnessed but that much weight can still do a lot of damage at speed. I agree that at the height we're all flying at (or at least should be anyway) then that possibility should be down to an absolute minimum anyway.
@philip_james
@philip_james 4 күн бұрын
How do you determine the line between a group of uninvolved people and a crowd? I was at a recent car show where someone was flying a sub 250g drone around 5 meters in the air above the cars. There were lots of people viewing the cars so is this a crowd or a group of people?
@Fitandover40
@Fitandover40 4 күн бұрын
Great video. I am in Grance and new to drones, i just keep it simple, fly very low and beey close to me to practice amd get really comfortable before i start taking pictures later on my deone journey. It is a litrle sad though that some act so irresponsibly and will ruin the fun for everyone. I say lets be adults so we don't have to have governments act like authoritarian parents because the kids can't behave themselves.
@ukmonk
@ukmonk 4 күн бұрын
Great information thank you!!
@ThomasGamble-bn4bb
@ThomasGamble-bn4bb 4 күн бұрын
Having to pay £10 a year just to fly a drone legally in the UK is extortionate and I don’t see how or why it’s necessary…
@brechany
@brechany 5 күн бұрын
I haven't read through all the comments so apologies if this has already been mentioned. FPVUK membership now includes commercial flying up to an annual income of £15k. Not a huge income but okay if you are just doing an occasional job.
@ImpartiallySpeaking
@ImpartiallySpeaking 5 күн бұрын
If however a policeman is incorrect and was later found to be wrong, they shouldn’t be immune to the laws of harassment if they’re preventing someone from going about their lawful business. I’ve seen some really awful incidents on auditor channels where police show up who are completely clueless and start making completely false accusations of laws being broken simply due to ignorance when they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. Ideally, ALL police should have to be trained on issues of drone law to avoid them getting things very badly wrong
@davidcrompton9431
@davidcrompton9431 5 күн бұрын
Hi from Scotland. I'm New to drones and your channel. A wee question. On the drone assist map there are no restrictions in Skye yet on the UAV Forecast app it highlight the majority of Skye as being in a FRZ. So my question is: is Skye a FRZ or not? Thank you. Dave.
@brandonkonieczki5048
@brandonkonieczki5048 5 күн бұрын
So for 9 years there were only 70 cases!
@chuckmorton5730
@chuckmorton5730 5 күн бұрын
I once had the reverse happen when a news helicopter came out to the blue approached my drone when I was filming a boating event. I took evasive action, dropping to 20 ft. above the water and them landed. Ashore. I was fortunate that his prop wash didn't cause me to crash. I felt he was not acting prudently as he was below surrounding structures. In all fairness he most likely couldn't see me, but he was very quick o his approach.
@OrdinaryWorld
@OrdinaryWorld 5 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video. I'm an ex-pat and was home visiting family last week. Seemed a shame not to bring my drone and check out my home town and childhood haunts from the air. Really good to have all the necessary info to know I was flying my Mini 2 SE within the law.
@Iwiwd83
@Iwiwd83 6 күн бұрын
Just had a thought while watching this. The laws states you cant fly under 50m to any building, doesnt that mean that all bando flying is techincally illegal? Thats gona piss a lot of ppl off lol but then again they wouldnt have permission to be on the property in the first place.
@K_R_W
@K_R_W 6 күн бұрын
wake me up when Anzu is for sale as a consumer product.
@ImpartiallySpeaking
@ImpartiallySpeaking 6 күн бұрын
I’ve often thought drone auditors attracting dozens and sometimes hundreds of police complaints a year could ultimately lead to tighter regulations on the silent majority operating for leisure without seeking controversy to make money from adverts. It wouldn’t surprise me if the CAA go on to ban sub 250g drones from being used in relation to some types of locations where major business owners feel very unhappy about drones being used above their commercial properties. Where those businesses make a significant contribution to Britain’s GDP, the CAA are likely to take on board any such concerns which could lead to drone restrictions on the wider public
@ImpartiallySpeaking
@ImpartiallySpeaking 6 күн бұрын
Public nuisance infers criminality
@anthonydyer3939
@anthonydyer3939 6 күн бұрын
The insurance looks good. Having returned from Norway, it was a surprise to learn that liability insurance for sub 250gram recreational flying is mandatory over there. Interesting tip: you can get an EASA operators license for free in Spain and use elsewhere in the EU but….. you have to fly your drone in Spain first for it to be valid elsewhere. That’s if I’m reading the EASA regulations correctly?
@candles3333
@candles3333 6 күн бұрын
I think i would challenge them if I knew I wasn't doing anything wrong, after all to be a Police officer you like having authority over other humans and wearing uniforms. I know we need Police but I cant say I have a lot of faith in them.
@stevejakab
@stevejakab 7 күн бұрын
The third way is to fly or move to Europe
@mrngreenthumb
@mrngreenthumb 7 күн бұрын
Any chance caa answer is a.i ??
@johnroberts-wr9dz
@johnroberts-wr9dz 8 күн бұрын
Have you ever phoned the HMRC and have to phone again to get a complete different answer , all depends on who answers .....enough said here
@Poophead1
@Poophead1 8 күн бұрын
Here in America, our Supreme Court has hopefully put the 1st nail in the coffin of our out of control bureaucratic state. The minions answering the questions from citizens about their interpretations of the intentions of the Legislators. Bureaucratic state is out of control over here and creating "laws" on their own. Good luck y'all!
@christopherstitchman7038
@christopherstitchman7038 8 күн бұрын
As it happens I approached the bridge master only last week. As the new owner of a sub 250g drone I was keen to get their direct thoughts on drone flights around the bridge. Their initial response was no drones allowed as the bridge has a no fly zone around it. He stipulated it was a 100m - contrary to the 50m on their website. I gave up questioning at this point!! He basically said any drones spotted near the bridge the police will be called. To be fair he did say if the pilot approaches them first, makes them aware of what and where they will be flying, and keeps a safe distance from the bridge, they will be fine with it. As a Bristol resident there is actually a Byelaw which restricts drones being taken off from parks & green spaces. (apart from 4 dedicated parks). I do find this a bit nuts as rather than finding a small quiet patch of open green space near the bridge to take off, I have to find a built-up area to take off.
@tonyw8001
@tonyw8001 3 күн бұрын
FEDREAL Aviation's authority is KING they can't have any Law that controls Airspace as it is Federal property and under their control and no one can enforce any law that is contrary to the Aviation authority
@Thecaptain666
@Thecaptain666 8 күн бұрын
I think your videos are great, but it’s really inappropriate that you both laugh about the idea of people jumping from the bridge 😢 Many people have sadly lost their lives doing that over the years….
@El_Smeghead
@El_Smeghead 8 күн бұрын
What time were those replies sent at? Because if they were sent after 5pm or at the weekend, then I suspect that the office cleaner found a computer on and wrote them! 🤦‍♂️
@mpol701
@mpol701 9 күн бұрын
U would not be able to use balloons festival and drones would be notam restricted
@stephenb8982
@stephenb8982 9 күн бұрын
The thing is these chaps are on a drone unit (a specialist dept) the problem is when other officers who have no knowledge of the legislation start not enforcing the law, but enforcing there belief of what you should do… like most police officers wade in without doing any research or checks
@Geeksvana
@Geeksvana 9 күн бұрын
Could not agree more.
@simplestuff3895
@simplestuff3895 9 күн бұрын
Regarding the previously acknowledged errors in their documents issued. Surely it’s the senior management of the CAA drone team’s job to proof read the very foundation of and reason for their employment. Why would the management team expose themselves in such away through issuing incorrect documents and then hiding behind the ‘We don’t employ someone to proofread guidance documents’ excuse. The management really need to get a hold on all of this.
@clearairflying
@clearairflying 9 күн бұрын
Interestingly, at the end of the last episode of S2 of "The Outlaws" a no doubt very large camera drone flies directly under Bristol Suspension Bridge.
@h-dawg969
@h-dawg969 9 күн бұрын
They’re ‘accidentally’ sharing their future updated addition to rules before they’ve implemented most likely.
@PhantomandtheDrone
@PhantomandtheDrone 9 күн бұрын
Not to play devils advocate here....was this class of flight a hobby or commercial flight?
@Geeksvana
@Geeksvana 9 күн бұрын
There is no differential between the two in terms of regulations. Only insurance. This was an open category flight.
@PhantomandtheDrone
@PhantomandtheDrone 9 күн бұрын
@@Geeksvana commercial I would understand the CAA response... I can only assume there was confusion regarding the flight purpose in some way. If that pilot was a GVC holder and registered uav business/operator then it is an easy assumption to make during email communications.
@Geeksvana
@Geeksvana 9 күн бұрын
@PhantomandtheDrone sorry, you are presuming the general enquiries team when asked about a asub 250g drone flight, would presume it is commercial under a GVC? That simply does not stack. Why would anyone fly a sub 250g under an OA? Your thoughts also do not track as the CAA advisor pointed the pilot towards the drone code and did not refer him to his OA. Also, it was not the original question. The question was regarding if the landowner could restrict airspace without going through the proper channels. The simple answer is no.
@PhantomandtheDrone
@PhantomandtheDrone 9 күн бұрын
@@Geeksvana All of my uav's, regardless of weight, are registered on my OA... 🤣
@pacefast
@pacefast 9 күн бұрын
more important is change of Govt and Lab intending to a more unification of standards ! Hopefully my Air 3 will go under C car allowing 5 metres in slow mode below 5.7 mph
@pacefast
@pacefast 9 күн бұрын
I have dealt with the CAA for 25 years as a biz jet Captain ! They do not always get everything right depending on the person responding
@MrPukgay
@MrPukgay 9 күн бұрын
That fire alarm blasted through my headphones deafening my hearing. 😮
@smithbrownjones
@smithbrownjones 10 күн бұрын
The CAA should be very embarrassed about this person working for them. No chance in hell that cars moving along a bridge is considered a crowd. Id be inclined to crack on and take the flight.
@BDX55
@BDX55 10 күн бұрын
Funny enough I went to the Clifton Bridge last week to fly my Air 3 and take some video and pictures. I didn’t give a thought to check their website as I know I am OK as long I stay 50m laterally from it and don’t fly over it which wasn’t my intention. It was too windy when I got there so didn’t fly anyway.
@matthewmallett4718
@matthewmallett4718 10 күн бұрын
A case of "You can't soar like an eagle when you are working with Turkeys" springs to mind. The CAA are not unique in being an authority giving out confusing/incorrect information. Can hardly expect genuine flyers to understand the rules if they don't promote them properly themselves. A bit of a shambles really and one they need to address.
@brechany
@brechany 10 күн бұрын
The subject on getting permission from landowners with regards to trespass is interesting. As well as flying drones, i go wild camping. Technically, this is illegal in England without permission but it is perfectly legal in Scotland. Thankfully i live close to the Scottish border. In Scotland there is right to roam and a landowner would need a very good reason to stop you. If this also applies to drones, permission is assumed unless otherwise notified.
@clive4500
@clive4500 10 күн бұрын
I expect the C AA staff feel they have better things to do than speak with the general public.. The emails were probably coming from a contractor working for the C AA who happened to be tasked with dealing with public...no protocol is really needed to be dealing with the public.. Collapse of the institutions a lot of the time they can have contempt for the public.. If you're not the credentialled class then you don't matter... sometimes break off communications wait a couple of weeks and reach out in a different way you will get a different answer... Anyway hopefully somebody from the CAA at a higher level will see this video🤣🤣🤣🤣