The Borg, The Emperor, and Star Trek’s Dark Secrets - A 40K Theory

[@insanehippiehippieinsane3828]

This is some high grade Heresy. Stand still while I light the Heavy Flamer.

[@guy_autordie]

First, Lore needs to report himself to the local inquisition office, then the local inquisitor will maybe allow you to light your heavyflamer

[@insanehippiehippieinsane3828]

@guy_autordie He reported himself by posting this Heresy.

[@davem5276]

I'm gonna need Two Bolters to deal with this heresy!💀 (I just had to say it.)

[@universalflamethrower6342]

Why only the Heavy Flamer Brother, when you can use the Universal Flamer

[@michaelpressley8040]

You have a heavy flamer? I just have a hand flamer and this post I tie em to and it gets the job done just fine!

[@wesleyhoward5599]

So, all sci-fi is just various prequels of WH40K? I'm okay with this.

[@BrokenEyes00]

HG Wells The War of the Worlds is the first example of Titan warfare from then Xeno occupied Mars and it was only by intervention of the Chaos god Nurgle for his own purposes did Holy Terra survive. Meanwhile Isaac Asimov’s The foundation series, Chronicles how the Tech Priesthood guided humanity through the dark times and the dangers of Mutants with unchecked psychic abilities. And of course Frank Herbert’s Dune Chronicles the big GE himself as he set up his empire on SETI Alpha V.

[@cascadianrangers728]

Well at least most sci-fi is chronologically

[@sh4d0wfl4re]

Does this mean Tyranids are just the Zerg after leaving their prior universe’s Kaprulu Sector behind?

[@wesleyhoward5599]

@@sh4d0wfl4re Yes, but they tried to absorb the xenomorph homeworld.

[@tkic3164]

This guy was way ahead of you there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqm6nZ2Cer5nbc0&pp=ygUWd2FyaGFtbWVyIDQwayB0aW1lbGluZQ%3D%3D

[@cmdrreggit]

I was a Trek fan before I was a 40K fan. And I have to admit - I love the hope and optimism of Star Trek. You hear all the time that humanity only needs a handful of extra-solar colonies and we will guarantee our species survival far into the future... When 40K tore that away from me, and showed me that collapse is still possible, even for the most entrenched of civilisations - it was truly scary....and that's why I love 40K ❤

[@codyraugh6599]

What's also interesting with 40K on that part is that some of the very things we label as progress are what lead to our collapse, or the Emperor's failure. The Emperor's R/Atheism attitude is exactly why he failed, while his religious nutjob imperium lasted 8~9 thousand years longer than his direct rule, despite the system he made intending to be temporary and needing direct oversight. Technological innovation nearly killed us all because we proceeded with an absolute arrogance and looked down on anyone with more traditional views on life or technology (cue the treatment of Sisko's father by Federation Officers), and of course then the argument 40K makes on culture and species relations where ultimately culture or species will naturally compete to be dominant over the others even to the others destruction. 40K isn't a setting you want to live in, the Imperium isn't anything anyone wants to be anything in outside maybe a civilian on an untouched backwater where they're left alone by 40K. But those points it has that challenge the modern view are always so intriguing and balance so well with Trek.

[@cmdrreggit]

@@codyraugh6599 Agreed! "Tradition is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back. Sometimes the problem has mutated or disappeared.... Often it is still there as strong as it ever was."

[@benjiunofficial]

40k is the story of recovery from collapse, so it's inspiring in a way. It might not seem like a very nice place, but it's the only way to survive after what happened.

[@cmdrreggit]

@@benjiunofficial I do wonder what the Emperors 'endgame' is... Humanity has certainly survived many extinction level events in 40k - but will we ever regain the technology and culture that was lost? Apparently, the Emperor was close to unlocking the webway for use by humanity, but will he ever return to finish what he started and what might the consequences be? It's facinating to think about!

[@mrspeigel3593]

@@cmdrreggit its for humanity to be the last species standing whatever the cost..seems kinda pointless if there's nothing left to stand in though...

[@StevenHouse1980]

Worf is not a Merry Ork.

[@guy_autordie]

Rebellious orks (pirate orks) are the kind that follow orders and tactics to the letter. No chaotic behavior.

[@Jadefox32]

Klingons unfortunately are not living spores

[@TankFerretPresents]

Extinct both from the universe and history by the 41st millennium?

[@DominusNox106]

That could be explained by 40k's Xenophobia at work.​@@TankFerretPresents

[@erikstenhammar]

Klingons are a lost translation of what the orcs really are, even if an extremely tuned down version.

[@kyleplatter8954]

“Because screaming at them from the sidelines just wasn’t working” -Man Emperor of Mankind, If the Emperor had a text to speech device

[@spittertron4920]

And Trump irl

[@tba113]

Event Horizon, Doom, and now Star Trek as part of 40K - sounds good to me. I would also suggest RoboCop (Mankind's first Dreadnaught) and Akira (disastrous encounters with some of Mankind's first modern psykers) as 40K early history.

[@foreshadow6728]

Backrooms (mankind first encounter with webway)

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

dont forget the first wars with really early tyranids starship troopers

[@thehowlingjoker]

@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt but do forget the Starship Trooper sequels. If it ain't Verhoeven, it ain't kosher.

[@newbornpeach0987]

Columbo the first inquisitor

[@mirceazaharia2094]

My God, Akira... If that wasn't some Alpha Psyker bullsh*t, then I don't know what was.

[@rufinator]

What if the trans warp failure was because off camera the Excelsior went into the Warp, and lacking a Geller field the crew was corrupted by Khorne and killed themselves off Event Horizon style, thus opening the captain slot for Sulu?

[@LoreReloaded]

Wish I had thought of that

[@MrNoobed]

Oooh and the effective transfer warp conduits the borg get are the webway

[@SinEater_]

I like the idea of Event Horizon being a prequal to the Star Trek universe. I know that isn't exactly what you were saying, it just sounds really cool that in order for the Federation to work out FTL travel people had to go through many tests figuring out what happened, and how to stop it from happening, to the Event Horizon.

[@Shoutatclouds]

Thanks tzench

[@assemblyrequired7342]

There goes this funny idea I had in my head where a Chaos critter tries to infiltrate an unwitting Federation starship, only to get zapped by the shields, and slammed into the Navigational Deflector, and yeeted back out into the Warp for it's troubles. In the meantime, the crew is like "what the HELL was THAT?!!"

[@PhilosoShysGameChannel]

We know via Voyager that starfleet was already experimentally punching holes through the fabric of reality all the way back then! No doubt they, at some point, punched into the Warp and found out how it could squeeze and crunch time so they immediately went to utilizing it for travel to keep from damaging subspace

[@kittycat0876]

Slipstream drive bc spore drive was hidden till the 31st century

[@HyperMAX9001]

If we take the "mushroom realm" of ST: Discovery as The Warp, it pretty much fits.

[@PhilosoShysGameChannel]

@HyperMAX9001 technically VERY early in tng they go to a place where thought becomes reality. That sounds like the warp to us! XD

[@boeubanks7507]

This is possible considering the darker turn seen in Picard. The Dominion war recalibrate the outlook of the entire Federation. Making it more militeristic and authoritarian. If we take this to it's logical conclusion, we may end up with something similar to 40K. Especially with the defeat of the borg by the 25th century and the incorporation of their technology into star fleet at a wide scale. Additionally, a small background story here is the rebellion against genetic engineering prohibitions. All through Strange New Worlds, TNG, DS9 and Voyager, we see a consistent theme of rolling back the laws against genetic manipulation. Again, taken to its logical extreme, this could result in the rebirth of super soldiers. Combined with the now available borg technology, you are starting to get close to 40K style soldiers. Initially, when i saw this video, I didn't think it was going to make sense, but it really does. However, I think this is more than likely a mirror universe scenario than in the prime timeline. The terran empire is already primed for this kind of turn. And, given their history of incursions into the prime universe, it would be easy for them to steal all the necessary technology.

[@Assman45ACP69]

I suspect genetic engineering of people is far more widespread in ST than what we're led to believe. It was probably what allowed Earth to rebuild so quickly after WW3. It's just not as extreme as Khan and Bashir.

[@josephthomas4797]

I like this a lot. Two problems with this theory however: 1) Allegedly, Humans, Vulcans/Romulans and Klingons are split descendants from a baseline humanoid species. 2) Eldar and Orks were created by the Old One during the War in Heaven. I’d respectfully argue that based on this, there’s no way Romulans and Klingons could be Eldar and Orks.

[@1337penguinman]

We're talking tens of thousands of years. That's a LOT of time for creation myths to develop.

[@xax2952]

​​@@1337penguinmanit's not a myth but established lore about the origins of eldar and orcs

[@Greywolf905]

@@1337penguinman well, the Klingons aren't fungus, so there's that.

[@GeorgeCowsert]

The Eldar were not an Old One creation, similar to the Necrontyr. Only the Krorks and a few unimportant races were.

[@josephthomas4797]

@ Is this a new bit of lore with the Eldar not being an Old Ones creation? Historically the Eldar were created by them to fight the Ctan and Necrons. I may very well not be up to date with my 2024 lore however.

[@zackkelley2940]

I would propose the following. 1st- The Mirror Universe as a starting point rather than the prime universe. The nature of the mirror universe makes it FAR more likely to go down a path that would lead to 40K. 2nd- The Romulans are not the progenitors of Slaanesh but Tzeentch. Trickery and manipulation are practically ingrained into every facet of their culture (and more importantly regarded as prized virtues), debauchery not so much. 3rd- The Vidiians as the impetus for Nurgle. What if the Phage COULDN'T be cured and simply continued to get worse? What if they simply accepted it as part of themselves and, in time, embraced it? 4th- The Klingons bring about Khorne.... and eventually engineer the Orks so there's something else that likes to fight as much as they do. 5th- Slaanesh is brought about, not by any particular group, but by a great many individuals and their interactions... with a certain AI... of a certain "Shore Leave" planet. If debauchery is the norm anywhere in the Star Trek universe, it is here. With the capabilities of the AI and the facilities on the Shore Leave planet, there is very little that is truly off the table here. It can fix any damage (ANY physical damage at any rate.... which is likely to lead down the road to some becoming quite unhinged). It can even undo death. Consider further that it's singular governor dies shortly after the discovery of the shore leave planet. Consider what an AI with no human morals or sensibilities (or that of ANY race for that matter) and no governors to intervene might DO when providing pleasure is it's LITERAL reason for existing. 6th- The Terran Empire becomes the Imperium of Man.

[@francescocarlini7613]

One overlooked connection is the Emperor's son Jagathai Khan. Big E named one of his children after one of the sons of Genghis Khan. With the Emperor being Khan, he would have seen himself as the new Genghis Khan early on.

[@insanehippiehippieinsane3828]

The Emperor did not name him that though. The people of Chigoris did.

[@jankostrhun8725]

@@insanehippiehippieinsane3828 That's not true. Emperor named him. His name was Vth.

[@FormulaFox]

Battletech works much better as something that takes place in the early eras of 40K.

[@codyraugh6599]

Not really, it's culture doesn't match with the Dark Age humans, and the spread is waaaay too limited. It's also much more realistic than Trek or 40K.

[@FormulaFox]

​@@codyraugh6599The tone of the settings really doesn't mean anything when it comes to these kinds of ideas. The timeframe of Battletrch is not very heavily detailed in 40K lore and well within the "information we do have is sketchy at best" era of what lore it does have. It really only requires addressing the Warp issue to make it work.

[@PaulGuy]

​@@codyraugh6599Doesn't the Dark Age of Technology last until 25K? Battletech takes place about 3K. There plenty of time to get there.

[@codyraugh6599]

@@PaulGuy One it is the entire basis of their technologies. There are no aliens in battletech. There is not a lot of the stuff that is established as having existed in the Dark Age of technology and two. Your 3K is predating Dark Age technology. It's starting at I think around 10K and then it had a whole like prehistory label that they gave it. Besides the darker tone of battletech which isn't even that dark, it again, is more factual and scientific then the fairy dust farts of Star Trek because Star Trek of very much is science and magic are the same thing

[@Birbucifer]

No aliens in Battletech, or warp fuckery.

[@Stilgarsan]

Klingons aren't funghi. Romulans aren't nearly as decadent (or technologically advanced) as the Dark Eldar. The men of iron haven't been created yet in Star Trek. Maybe the Androids in Picard.

[@Hypogean7]

But an AI rebels every other series in Star Trek.

[@codyraugh6599]

However ironically the Eldar Empire (there were no Dark Eldar or Craft world Eldar yet) would be situated based off the 40K maps overlayed with Trek maps, right between the Dominion and Federation. And we know they are in their hedonist phase where they'd be ignoring the galaxy in favor of seeing if they can put their mouths to their own genitalia.

[@RedCascadian]

@@codyraugh6599 The hedonistic phase of the Eldar didn't begin until the 18th millenium, not fulling taking root until the 20th millenium. It then took ten thousand years for it to reach the point that the Eldar empire fell. Shaving off a zero from the year also doesn't account for the massive population discrepancy. There's like, 980 billion citizens in the UFP during the TNG era. In Warhammer 40K there are multiple times that number on individual Hive Worlds, the canon population for Holy Terra is one quadrillion. The ancient empires that get referenced in Trek don't fit into 40K timelines either. People forget that the Point of Divergence between Trek and WH40K is the events leading up to the War in Heaven between the Old Ones and the C'tan,

[@noblej7897]

Honestly I'd throw romulans and klingons as extinct or considered Mutant humans by 40k standards and the eldar were just secluded in the webway unknown to humanity at this time. 😅

[@RedCascadian]

@noblej7897 in the 2nd millenium Eldar weren't secluded, they were *the* Galactic hegemon.

[@water594]

Its a fun theory, but requires changing so much about both franchises that it leaves both unrecognisible.

[@serealMuadid]

Not really, imagine that all the stories of Star Trek were incomplete, corrupted and even changed. That scholars in 40k are finding this records and studying then. The could se how humanity trusted the xenos and they allways betrey humanity.

[@RedCascadian]

@@serealMuadid The problem is, we know things like humanity was restricted to sublight travel until the 18th millenium, with the advent of warp drives, which worked not by warping space, but translating the ship into the Warp, where the laws of the materium don't apply. Servitors were also created *as a response* to the Age of Strife when the Men of Iron, created by the Men of Stone, rebelled. The Age of Strife was a machine civil war that humanity got caught up in (humanity made the Men of Stone, the Men of Stone made the Men of Iron, the Men of Iron rebelled). Humanity also never developed the prohibition on genetic engineering that is a key part of Federation law and culture. We don't just have the Imperium of Mans flawed records to go off of either. We have the accounts of the Aeldari, who've been keeping good records for sixty-five million years. The origins of species don't fit into what we know to be true of the War in Heaven between the C'tan and Necrons vs the Old Ones and the Aeldari and Krorks. The Point of Divergence between Warhammer 40K and Star Trek is tens of millions of years in the past. The video shows a *really* poor or at least shallow knowledge of 40K lore and twists around orders of events to try and connect dots that don't exist.

[@bad-people6510]

A multiverse crossover would be a lark, but shared continuity is too much of a stretch.

[@water594]

@@bad-people6510 I feel the same way about Dr Who and Trek. All three have the potential to do crossovers. Trek has multiverses. 40K's warp regularly has ships get very very lost. And Dr Who practically doesn't have a cannon and they can pull off any shenanigans they like.

[@water594]

@@RedCascadian Yeah. Even if we presume that the historical records are BADLY corrupted... they don't match up beyond a surface level. The only way I think it could possibly be twisted is if you imagine that the majority of what happens in one or both is propaganda that the average person is recieving. Like if Klingons = Orks, then either one or both is a gross misrepresentation of them - which could be the case if it is propaganda. A rival alien faction turned into a green skinned horde. But even then it ignores the history we are told about how the Old Ones made the Orcs to fight against the C'Tan / Necrons... which I'm not sure if humanity even knows about, unless that is all propaganda too. That is what I mean when I say that you'd need to change so much about both franchises to make it fit. It could fit... if most of what we actually see onscreen / in the models / in the lore is blatantly incorrect.

[@johnathan651]

I know it's a bit off-topic, but Star Trek's Augments and Gundam Seed's Coordinators are VERY similar, so much so that that series is what comes to mind whenever someone mentions the Eugenics Wars. There's plenty of differences, obviously, but that's the kind of conflict I imagine it being, minus the giant mecha, of course.

[@codyraugh6599]

Seed was just trying to make more "scientifically feasible" new types. And ironically new types are basically just low level 40K psychers, maybe astropaths would be a better 1 to 1 but I mean it's seriously just that.

[@mbpaintballa]

Men of Iron were AI... not Cyborgs

[@diltzm]

Maybe an offshoot of Dr Soong's work like Data, Lore, B4 etc

[@mbpaintballa]

@@diltzm sure, but cyborgs are not AI

[@loreman2803]

The men of Iron were both. There were sentient machines of war, one of whom you meet

[@avramrosenzweig6866]

This whole theory is fun but has so many holes in it

[@outofcontrolsjsgaming]

I think this narrative makes more sense in the “mirror” universe

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Because it's already an empire? I think it doesn't matter, a lot can change in a few thousand years.

[@RealCodreX]

WH40K is just a small paragraph in the history of All Tomorrow!

[@pro_master2486]

Probably..

[@Jakov-or7fp]

No, in all tomorrows the First Aliens Humans meet are the Qu, in Warhammer the First Aliens that Humans meet are probably eldar or something

[@pro_master2486]

@ technically that’s what at least the author entity in the book was able to discover as evidence of the star people and humans as a whole,

[@AaronTelfordUK]

All Hail The God-Emperor Of Mankind!!!

[@firstcynic92]

Donald Trump?

[@AaronTelfordUK]

@@firstcynic92 No, me!

[@PhilDrury]

Flint likely knows the Emperor.

[@neptunethemystic]

Let's be real, the real dark age is the Kurtzman era!

[@nordicaliensfromthepleiades]

For me, Star Trek stopped before this weird reboot era. I can go back and read any novel before a specific year, and I know I will avoid all the heresies

[@Blimbus-Blombo]

Hear hear! Although I give Strange New Worlds and Prodigy a pass.

[@neptunethemystic]

@@Blimbus-Blombo I loved prodigy but he didn't have too much to do with that!

[@chrigoog]

@@nordicaliensfromthepleiades Strange New Worlds is the best thing (the only good thing) to come out of the franchise since the 90s. It's legitimately goated. Good Star Trek!

[@nordicaliensfromthepleiades]

@chrigoog oh really?? I stopped paying attention to Star Trek after I saw JooJooAbrams first movie

[@nomemories130]

My theory is the Medusans are benign warp entities that migrated out of the 40k universe to Star Trek. They look a lot like the warp and the reason it drives humanoids mad to see one unfiltered is because it means exposure to raw warp energy.

[@thegreywanderer8427]

There is definitely a connection; the writers of 40k lore took influences from many things, including Star Trek. They would have grown up watching TOS re-runs on TV.

[@segevstormlord3713]

Where do the other three Chaos Gods fit in? And why do the Eldar control the Webway? Were the Borg also the Necrons? (There is more connection there than to anything in the Imperium, I think.) Did the C'Tan involve themselves in any of these events? Was the thing at the heart of the Galaxy in Star Trek V one of the Chaos Gods, or something else? A C'tan shard? Are Species 8472 the Tyranids?

[@ThomasBusby]

Maybe Q?

[@sentiencepsn2714]

Throw in a few “ancient astronaut theorists say…” after every question, and this could be aired on the History Channel.

[@APlayOfHopesAndFears]

This theory has more holes than your average slaaneshi chaos spawn

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

thats holy

[@justinjones7506]

I've always thought that Star Trek could be worked into the Warhammer 40K timeline as part of a distant pre-Imperium history. I hope you do more videos on this subject.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

I was going to say that. I also want to add Halo into the history. It is so obviously a WH40k prequel, and also works as a Star Trek prequel with enough creativity. Dune should fit also. Dune doesn't have forehead aliens, but we can get around that by accepting all humanoid aliens as the work of the providers from Paradise Syndrome. I don't know how to concile that with the Covenant from Halo, but then, so much is lost to history that I think it could fit anyway. (The Forerunners make the panspermia even easier to justify. And the Flood could be early Borg, like with V'Ger and Nomad.) And Dune has speciation of humanity in several ways.

[@justinjones7506]

@@davidwuhrer6704 Don't forget the story from Event Horizon. That is the most Warhammer 40K movie without being Warhammer 40K.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

@@justinjones7506 Absolutely

[@mooshroom53]

THIS IS SUCH A GOOD VIDEO OMFG!!! I’m 21 and my dad’s a boomer(61) and he appreciates the story of warhammer 40k and has wanted to get to know it better but hasn’t found an “in” yet. But I know this will totally be his thing we used to watch through old star trek seasons when I was a kid. Once I show him this video he won’t stop connecting dots.

[@RedCascadian]

It's... really not. It takes mixing around a lot of events and chalking things up to "bad Imperial records" except we also have confirmation of various things from factions like the Eldar, who still have excellent records... going back tens of millions of years.

[@2011multisam]

7:27 let me remind you dat purple Orks is stelfy, not invisdible

[@Ephilepson]

I say, take the Galaxy!! It's our birthright!! Humanity first!!

[@tagginondawal3961]

I'd also like to note that the Federation attempted to dabble in transwarp tech in the 2280s (during the events of Star Trek 3). However, since it didn't work (partially thanks to Scotty) they failed. The Federation decided not to persue that type of warp tech after that, but used it when it was available (via borg or other random anomolies).

[@Deathwing-Y2K]

I always assumed this exact thing. The older 40k lore sources always talk about the Golden/Dark age was ruled by the "Federation". I think we know now that all older 40k lore was a fun homage to almost every other great sci fi sources. There are direct (for lack of a better term) rip offs of, Star Trek, Terminator, Judge Dredd, Alien(s), 2001 a Space Odyssey, and most prominent of all Dune. There are many others. I love and miss the early days of 40k when they attempted to incorporate other sci fi universes into their own.

[@codyraugh6599]

Well it's GW they sue people excessively because they know they would be screwed if they ever got sued.

[@Deathwing-Y2K]

@codyraugh6599 I've also found this fact strange. Early 40k "borrowed" so much from other sources and now they've felt the need to change the names of the factions so that they could be copyrighted, and sued everyone who even comes close to imitating their material. It's a bit saddening that GW, which used to be a company that focused so much on fun is now soulless, greedy, and corporate.

[@codyraugh6599]

@@Deathwing-Y2K it's who you let in. Just like, or more exactly like, you don't let in the "tourists" "woke" whatever label you want to use, who inevitablely see your hobby as a political outlet. You can't let the corporate who just see you as a extra paycheck to run the company. In fact most of those corporate types are MORE to blame for all the stuff fans accuse than the wokies since the woke types wouldn't have noticed or cared, or ever gotten close if not for the corporate guys looking for another way to expand profits/add another feather to their resume for their next major job. Because GW for all that their "woke" by their as writers and game guys respectable or at least were once upon a time. But they've been replaced by the cooperates who have no understanding of the game, and will just go for the DEI hire that either raises their prestige or saves them in tax rebates.

[@oldeskul]

This is a bit of fun fan theory and headcanon. There is a few major points of contention. In Star Trek, as humanity was stretching its reach out past the solar system, we had help from alien races. In Warhammer, when humanity began stretching out past the solar system during the Age of Wonders and Age of Technology(golden or dark, the choice is up to you), aliens were at best indifferent of humanity, and at worst overtly hostile. In Star Trek, it was the post-nuclear nightmare that really spurred humanity to create the first warp drive, which attracted the attention of a friendly group of aliens, the Vulcans, which greatly assisted us in our technological leaps. In Warhammer, we can assume that there was no massive global nuclear war that created a post-war nightmare and that humanity developed all of its technology on its own, it was Old Night that turned Terra into the nightmare it was when Big E launched his unification wars. In Star Trek, the Borg are heavily implied to have been created by another power in the Delta Quadrant and were originally at least nominally benevolent when one of the Voyager probes(known as V-Ger in the Motionless Picture), gave it a whole bunch of upgrades and sent it back to find its creator. The Borg, at some point after sending V-Ger back the way it came, and before they started encountering forces in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants during the 24th century, suffered a series of calamities that caused the erasure of their history and set them into an emergency setting where they're assimilating technology and races en masse. With the Klingons, there's only one other culture in sci-fi that's as honor obsessed as they are, the Clans in Battletech.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

The "aliens" in Star Trek are still human, the Vulcans are genetically compatible with Earthlings. In TNG so are the Klingons. There's a two-parter about how a progenitor race created them all, and that's why, but TOS already has that explanation, twice, sort of. (The Paradise Syndrome, Tomorrow Is Yesterday) (Plus another in TAS.) According to TOS, the warp drive was developed around Alpha Centauri, which had been untouched by the Eugenics Wars. (Metamorphosis) It is only in the First Contact film that the engineer from Alpha Cen becomes an entrepreneur on post-apocalyptic Earth, which is a blatant contradiction. I think Star Trek could fit into the WH40k timeline. It may require some judgement which timeline of Star Trek.

[@jankostrhun8725]

It totally fits if we disregard most of the lore. -Lore Reloaded 2024

[@donovanbradford8231]

Can't think of a thought as I don't know 40K lore. So I'll give you this for the algorithm 🤨 fascinating.

[@MrNoobed]

7:55 sssh. Thats my earth 40k fanfic

[@flowblow9880]

This video is all over the place, and doesn't have a main point. I also question if you've even read any of the 40k books. You made several errors in your video.

[@lokay7233]

only correct comment lol. just a bunch of of lore tpoics mushed togehter lol

[@LoreReloaded]

Wait.. 40k has books?

[@26th_Primarch]

​@LoreReloaded, yeah, 40k has had books available since the 1980s...

[@RedCascadian]

@@LoreReloaded Oh yeah. Loads of them, The Horus Heresy series alone has dozens and it's set in the 31st millenium. You've also got the RPG sourcebooks. If you take a look througgh those or even a deep dive in the Lexicanum wiki, you'll see the problems with trying to fit Trek into the 40K timeline. The POD for the settings is tens of millions of years in the past, with the events leading up to the War in Heaven which ended with the Eldar forcing the Necrons into hibernation and dominating the galaxy... sixty-five million years before humanity existed.

[@hiddentrailvideo6992]

I don’t think I really think anything about this individual subject but I do know I like to watch you string together points on a yarn board, so keep going if you like, I won’t say anything.

[@daysicle9125]

Don't get too excited. You're only getting this many view because 40K fans are curious to see if you know 40K. This was your chance to give us a good first impression. But I find your lack of 40K book knowledge disappointing. The Emperor does not bless this video.

[@highlandoutsider]

I like it 👍 the only tweek id make to the theory would be the borg being men of iron, I'd say they are more likely to be regular servitors under the control of abdominal intelligence or a surviving man of iron rather than just a rebuild. Cavill Protects =C=

[@derneuedunkleavataryang1731]

only missing thing (not invented yet?) are the stc (standart template construct) for creating everything they need (maybe replicators) and the freedom (of course the federation have but still they need all working togehter) in the niezsche sense.

[@LoreReloaded]

I mention it at the end.. I forgot to include replicator being stc predecessors

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@LoreReloaded In the 40K lore some STC devices act like self contained manufactories that can mass produce complex items of technology seemingly without the need for pre-processed ores or much else in the way of material input beyond whatever matter might be lying around. That sounds an awful lot like an industrial replicator to me.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

I think I could listen to an hour or more of this idea being more fleshed out before it start to feel like it was dragging.

[@TrekCannon]

Ok that was fun. Thx lore

[@kingmantheman]

There a so many ways to tie these storylines together.... you honestly took this in completely different direction then I would have guessed.... also congratulations on getting me to watch a full video. For some reason it's been long time for me. Wish you all the best and here's hoping for more awesome videos in the future.

[@kingnaga619]

Won’t lie, thought this was 40k theories.

[@LoreReloaded]

40k theories?

[@mistercmartin]

​@@LoreReloaded40K Theories is 40k lore channel on KZbin. Check it out if you are interested in 40k lore theories.

[@kingnaga619]

@@LoreReloaded there is a channel dedicated to theories within the lore and universe of Warhammer 40k called 40k theories. Given the title, and that I’m subbed to you both, I almost mistook the channel for a moment.

[@kingnaga619]

@@LoreReloaded To be clear, am VERY not complaining. Would love to see more 40k lore from you. Love what you do in trek.

[@LoreReloaded]

@@kingnaga619 Yea, looked it up earlier..looks pretty cool, I subscribed

[@stevenlarge895]

vger went forward in time and ended up at mars during the dark age of technology. that's my head cannon.

[@LoreReloaded]

I dont remember which book or tale but there was an stc ship that arrived from the warp that went insane after seeing what humanity had become

[@stevenlarge895]

@@LoreReloaded i think it was one of the short stories

[@Tarquinn]

The AdMech would approve of your head mounted cannon.

[@skeemeastwood9075]

Or it somehow returned and became the Omnissiah.

[@guy_autordie]

@@LoreReloaded If it's the same story, the ship AI didn't went insane, It just boot the space marines and admech who were onbroad and disappear into the darkness of the universe

[@kybercat7]

i mostly love it and it all fits save for one thing. the imperium hasn't been running on the save servators this whole time they're not all stolen borg. criminals and other people (sometimes forge world vat grown clones) are actively turned into servitors even in the modern 40k. as for the men of iron a few do turn up in different 40k novels from time to time and they're always fully synthetic. no biological so they can not be borg. a way better fit would be the MANY episodes when a holodeck program goes rogue or the numinous independent AI Kirk has to fight. starfleet AI is constantly going off the rails and its not that much of a stretch that one day data's brother or some other crazy droid gets mass produced and turns into a large scale threat.

[@RageTH22]

Im still learning the lore of 40k myself, but this is a fascinating idea for a topic. I like what youve come up with so far!

[@nathansands71]

I wasn't ready for this

[@SteveWhipp]

The thing is, if you squint hard enough there isn't many universes you couldn't force into 40K Lore. The fact that it's nebulous, lost, found, re-written, censored, lost again and far into most IP's future means that it doesn't take much. For example, Stargate universe. Early Webway gates and necron tech?

[@DROK278]

Man fan theory's are fun, you made some really convincing points. Personally I think they are separate universes but cool link ups none the less.

[@doctordoubledakka3939]

Warp speed is faster than light. The imperium don't have FTL, if the did or had it, they won't bother with the warp, its too unsafe, and you need a navigator.

[@TheBigExclusive]

No...covering WH40K doesn't work for you Lore. Try Star Wars. Its a better fit for you.

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

Yet maybe. This video comes over imo as someone who likes 40k since space marine 2 and is wanting to go deeper but is still at a super surface level understanding of the GW lore in all its twists turns and stupidity in places. Everyone has to start somewhere after all and Warhammer is not exactly easy to get to grips with quickly.

[@LoreReloaded]

Why you say that?

[@RedCascadian]

@@LoreReloaded I think fairer to say is you've got a bit to go before commenting on 40K lore. There are some *big* plot points in 40K lore that make the theory breakdown out of the gate. I once saw this description of Warhammer 40K that fits well. "Warhammer 40K is the end-game boss of weird nerd shit." There's decades of army codexes, RPG and wargame sourcebooks, video games, and novels. And the GW canon policy is "Everything is canon, not everything is true." The only ironclad trumps everything canon is the most recent army codex. It makes the Star Wars EU canon downright approachable in comparison. 40K also has a lot of "meme-culture" that muddies the waters.

[@daysicle9125]

​​​@@LoreReloaded- You haven't read any 40K books. Casually reading the wiki (full of errors btw) or watching random lore videos is not even close to being enough. 40K is not a TV series or movie you can casually watch. You need to read the books and become an expert before making commentary videos. And there are HUNDREDS of 40K books. So is very clear to the 40K Fandom when a KZbinr hasn't read any of them.

[@helpfulldeadguy8150]

I am of the opinion that you can fit just about an sci-fi from Star Wars into the lore of 40k, but I will be honest this felt like a stretch in the way it was presented. Data would be closer to an early form of the future men of iron, the orks would be carefully maintained at manageable levels by the Eldari who through warp sorcery keep their empire a secret from all the lesser races of the galaxy (except for when they capture pleasure slaves) until humanity grew so large they had to establish communication and peace treaties. Necrons are still asleep and any tomb worlds would either be carefully excavated for the tech inside or marked and left alone thanks to the federation’s views on messing with others. The bugs seen in that episode of Star Trek could be another race of xenos or a group of tyrannids who lost connection to the greater hive and formed a splinter race. Species 8472 got lost in the warp and evolved to survive in its hostile environment. The Q are either old ones who survived the war in heaven or a races that found records from the old ones and ascended in the same way and decided to guide races like humanity in the same way as their old one predecessors. The galactic barrier is either a old one warp construct that fails by 40k due to lack of maintenance or an Eldari warp construct that falls with the fall of their empire and would have isolated the galaxy from signals reaching the tyrannids possibly being responsible for the separation of the tyrannids already present in the galaxy if the bugs in Star Trek are actually tyrannids.

[@JoyeuseCurtana]

I had a similar theory but in mine it was the mirror universe's Terran Empire that was the ancient precursor to Warhammer 40k's setting.

[@BradleyRaven]

In science, it's now an accepted phenomenon that multiple scientists will achieve the same discoveries at similar times. This is because scientists working independently at the same level of development could reasonably be expected to discover the same new facts from the same existing facts. Likewise, one can easily imagine that authors living within the same technological era, and within similar cultures (let's say Anglophone Western civilization) would intentionally or unintentionally include a lot of the same elements. This is a far more plausible explanation that that the universes are actually connected...

[@universalflamethrower6342]

The Anglo Sphere is the Judeo-Greek-Germano sphere, if ytou know those stories, you see them just repeated in pop-culture. There is a backstory to our reality weather you believe it or not.

[@verilyveronica8430]

A Ork with a really bad fungus infection.

[@khartog01]

I've read a fan story of a space marine ship accident go back in time and helping Picards enterprise E.

[@eradius]

dark age of technology is the 15th to the 25th millenniums

[@LoreReloaded]

I said that..literally..

[@Logajam.]

Slow day eh?

[@Daimo83]

I like the idea but this video was impossible to follow.

[@LoreReloaded]

Why?

[@Daimo83]

​@@LoreReloaded There's no clear perspective. It's not a discussion, nor is it a historical perspective from the year 40k because you break the fourth wall referring to "Warhammer" and "Star Trek" franchises.

[@LoreReloaded]

@Daimo83 yea it's more a comparison vs a documentary style

[@ToriRocksAmos]

@@LoreReloaded Because it's not clear if you're trying to prove a point or just listing random tid bits you thought would fit well into the idea you're proposing.

[@OrangeAveng3r]

You could jam it ANYWHERE in the Dark Age of technology

[@RedCascadian]

Nah, the tech trees are way too different. Humanity was sublight until the 18th millenium in 40K, when the development of warp drives, gellar fields, and navigators made FTL travel possible.

[@Czarewich]

Voyager's warp factor 10 episode really does seem like they broke through into the Warp of warhammer.

[@sleezesteve]

There's a great fanfic out there called, else where and else when, if I recall correctly, that explores these same ideas. In it some space marines arrive in the past through a warp travel accident and are desperately needed to repel a dominion invasion.

[@luzifershadres]

I think it would be more likely that one of the parallel universes we saw in star treck are closer to turn 40k than the mane line universe. Like, we got a facist xenophobic version of the federation with an totalitarian gouverment that discriminate abhumans and is on war with the borg (Season Picard series). Or the mirrow universe would also be a good canidate. Do to Star trek discovery we already now that the timeline wouldnt realy fit together in the main line universe. Thats at least what i got from watching star treck with a trecky, as a star wars fan.

[@Meritania]

Hear me out; the Doctor Who episode ‘Nightmare in Silver’ ties it all together. The Emporer of man sits inside his throne, hiding not from the enemy, but from himself. A galaxy is absolutely shredded by a millennium long war. The servitors return, upgraded and more adaptable than ever. The Warhammer 100K universe is very different but also so very familiar.

[@guy_autordie]

Ok, i was septical but it's good, except for the orks. And slaanesh was murderfuck birth to life. The romulans seems more civilized. The vulcans being the craftworld is a thing I could get into. Nice work.

[@IzudeDarkwolf]

Nuance makes this a stretch but it also shows that a series in which you have a star trek esque show that runs for two seasons then reveals that this is in fact Warhammer 10,000. My suggestion would be a freak warp accident that puts them in the 40k era and give a personable and relatable character to the otherwise extreme out of dire necessity that is all of 40k.

[@sike2399]

Where is the physical manifestation of the KZbin algorithm? I need to punch it in the face for not putting this in my feed three days ago. I'M FRIGGIN' SUBSCRIBED! MY BELL IS ON! Uhgh... Aaaaanyway! The title alone got me drooling so I'm commenting before I watch the video. Star Trek/40k crossover lore? Shut up and take my money! Let's go 🤘

[@taliawtf6944]

Problem... There are people known as Perpetuals in 40k, people are truly eternal who revive if killed and the Emperor is one as well as a few of his friends and allies who have seen nearly all of human history not as much as Big E but they all confirm that the date in 30k is correct. Now this doesn't mean that the star trek universe was in 40k's past but much of the tech from the dark age of tech is actually more advanced than what start trek had even in the 29th and 23nd centuries. It's a popular idea that ALL scifi is actually the past of 40k as it is easy to debate that it is the darkest of all possible futures for mankind. Also the Men of Iron were not cyborgs but robots and sythetic humans who rebelled against mankind at the height of their golden age known as the dark age of technology. Even to this day in 40k AI always goes bonkers seeking to kill mankind or at the least becomes chaos corrupted thus the need for servitors. ....Uh most servitors are not made from clones... they are criminals or menials of the mechanicus both of whom do not endure the process willingly but hey it beats having an AI go crazy taking over the ship then flooring it into a near by star as is screams "blood for the blood god!"

[@jamesh2321]

Not quite hot take: Star Trek is the Milky way arm where earth (Terra) resides, AKA the Alpha quadrant. Star Wars is Imperium Secundus, the splinter faction created when the Imperium thought that Terra had been overrun. During the interim of exploration, The Battletech universe happened before first contact. They're all wrapped in one huge dystopian bow. Okay maybe that sounded better in my head, but it is quite the possibility. But who are the Old Ones? Is that the Q?

[@RedCascadian]

Star Wars occurs with a civilization occupying half to 2/3 of the galaxy and the three settings have *radically* different tech when it comes to things like computers, FTL, manufacturing, etc. And the Old Ones are literally gone. They can't be Q. The War in Heaven ended with the C'tan and Necrons killing the Old Ones, the Necrons breaking free of the C'tan, breaking them into shards and shackling them, and then the Necrons calling time-out when they realized they were losing a war of attrition against the Eldar who were only growing better at war. There's too many points where the connections break down even before humanity evolves.

[@andljoy]

Who is malcador in star trek ?

[@bohemianearspoon8493]

President of the federation

[@Bigjunk9999]

I love this, great "head cannon." No reason it couldn't work. What if Khan didn't die but the explosion of the Genesis device that close to him transformed him into the Emperor?

[@MRDLT00]

7:30 Damn that's a good call back~ 🟣🟣🟣

[@newdawngamingchannel]

I legit had this conversation with someone when i first got into 40k

[@ever-openingflower8737]

Klingons wore purple in the old animated series from the 1970s. There is a real explanation why many things on that show were coloured purple, but it would be fun to speculate how that choice gives an in-universe explanation.

[@jaredlasseter7364]

There is a lot of reaching here. But if you squint your eyes & tilt your head to the right or the left a little, I can kinda see it...Until you also realize the biggest leap here is...The Orks are biologically fungus based as part of 40k lore. Not animal based forms of life like Kilgons

[@francmarcus8433]

Event horizon is the only prequel prequel to 40k that makes sense

[@terranempire2]

See I can see it but… I think it’s more in the line of a post Terran Empire Mirror Universe.

[@Belreyne]

There's something to be said about a benevolent government of xenophiles who support universal equality and unity through peace, strength, science and economic stability... As for how they can defeat enemies, that's best explained by the shared technologies, tactical expertise and strategic and intelligence planning shared between different worlds, offering multiple aspects of combat to ensure a more efficient means of defending one's borders or society from interloping hostile powers... Also, I'd tend to lean in more to the Mass Effect universe sharing the Trek Universe somehow, especially with the hinted big bad cybernetic beasts shown in, and then completely forgotten by the ending of, Picard Season One...Which, funnily enough, Mass Effect was inspired by Trek... Or, let's get colorful and say D&D is also in the Trek Universe... We all know that Romulans are secretly Night Elves...

[@SniklasTv]

Now i want to make a stellaris run where the star trek and 40k are part of it.

[@jasonfairhurst7401]

You didn't think this through to well 25th century is the year 2500 to 2500 the dark ahead of technology happened in 25000

[@LoreReloaded]

I actually address that

[@justicar5]

The Eldar Empire would terrify Star Trek. Immortal supertech beings who can take away your civilizations sun privileges

[@generalnawaki]

Worf is not an orc, he's an abhuman. Bred by the imperium for their aggressive nature.

[@LoreReloaded]

Pre-ogryn?

[@Amazing_Radish-bh2bv]

This video creator has a very shallow understanding of WH40K lore. It doesn't seem like this channel has read any of the WH40K novels, or seriously understands the rich lore of WH40K. Star Trek and WH40K have very little crossover. All the comparisons in the video are superficial at best. WH40K KZbin is a very competitive space. To stand out, you need to be an expert in WH40K, and know your stuff. This channel creator is not one of those people.

[@LoreReloaded]

You must be fun at parties..

[@LoreReloaded]

Weird.. your mom didn't mind..maybe help me plan the next one?

[@RedCascadian]

@@LoreReloaded Dude, you can't be this sassy at a comment saying its like you didn't read the books when in another comment you are surprised to find out that 40K has books. You *do* have a shallow understanding of 40K lore. He didn't insult you, he just bluntly stated something that's pretty obvious. I've got a pretty shallow understanding of Battletech lore, because I haven't absorbed as much of it as I have Star Wars, Star Trek or Wh40k lore.

[@alaskarii007]

@@LoreReloaded Wow, straight to personal insults. You are pathetic.

[@mistra809]

I like these kind of theories bro

[@thomasbachmeier8055]

quite interesting but im somewhat confused ... are you saying startrek timeline is within 40k early years or that startrek are in 40k right now being the dark age? also klingons dont have spores to keep them coming back after death

[@neptun2810]

Not all of it has to be part of the 40k setting. It already makes a lot of sense if we assume that there will be some kind of massive collapse to the federation somewhere in the 25th millenium.

[@NorthernNorthdude91749]

The Federation collapsed in the 31st century after every warp engine exploded.

[@neptun2810]

@@NorthernNorthdude91749 That is so far in the past from the point of Warhammer that people might just have forgotten about it. Just remember, we're talking about the 42th millennium here, not the 42th century. To someone in the Age of the Imperium, the difference in time between today and the 31th century might look like the difference between ancient Rome and ancient Greece to us. Also, the Star Trek Universe seemed to recover from the burn in a matter of years. So the burn was a short intermezzo rather than a total collapse of civilization. Something like the World Wars: Half of Europe was destroyed, but we rebuild and carried on. And even if it took a century, that would still be little more than a footnote in the timeline of 40k.That is so far in the past from the point of Warhammer that people might just have forgotten about it. Just remember, we're talking about the 42th millennium here, not the 42th century. To someone in the Age of the Imperium, the difference in time between today and the 31th century might look like the difference between ancient Rome and ancient Greece to us. Also, the Star Trek Universe seemed to recover from the burn in a matter of years. So the burn was a short intermezzo rather than a total collapse of civilization. Something like the World Wars: Half of Europe was destroyed, but we rebuild and carried on. And even if it took a century, that would still be little more than a footnote in the timeline of 40k.

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

Interesting vid and I do like speculation but there's some serious issues with the concept as you present. 1 the C'tan shard aka void dragon aka whatever that really is entombed on Mars by the emperor sometime around or after 1000 BC (or 1200 AD both answer came up when I checked). Considering the effects of this on the Mechanicum and that in Trek lore Mars has been a colony for a while its weird there are no signs of this in the lore, maybe its not been long enough but seeing as how Trek humans are not psykers or geneticly modified (like all humans post dark age or even pre dark age) the issues would appear much quicker. This also raises the issue of the emperor being around during all of trek which isn't exactly smoothly done in 40k law but his Birth was around 8000bc in Anatolia. Staying hiden in the Roman era is one thing doing it during the federation era is certainly more of a challenge. 2 The Eldar won (kind of) the war in heaven approximately 65 million years before the m41 (or m2 for Trek timeline its basically a rounding era), this is around the time our current oil started to form, they are older than oil as the ruling civilisation in the entire galaxy. Romulans are a recent ish offshoot of Vulcans (still recent enough to be genetically compatible) so not Aeldari. The Aeldari in the time of trek have individuals who could lay waste to the federation by accident, system wide warp storms are a mid tier level Aeldari ability until she who thrists at least. 3 Necrons, after sort of not winnning the war in heaven (they 'survived' sort of) and the galaxy being mostly lifeless they went to sleep for a bit (Trazyn was the first to awken around m30 likely due to the Aeldari getting a bit 'decadent') because otherwise the Aeldari would of finished them off (seriously the Aeldari are insanely powerfull pre oopsie of birthing a Chaos god, they mostly outclass the setting with 99% of the race dead and being unable to exist in normal space for long without having their souls eaten and they really have to hold back on psykic abilities while easilly putting all other psykers in the galazy to shame). Tomb worlds exist and would of been discovered by at least most Trek civilisations as they aren't exactly hidden and are easy to awaken which would of happened in Trek, like alot or even if they didn't wake its the sort of thing Picard would of loved and he never mentions tomb worlds or Necrons or the old ones or the C'tan of which theres evidence on Mars (maybe even on the surface of its a bit iffy in lore as to if the emporer thew the void dragon or went there himself). 4 krorks or at least orcs who exist since the war in Heaven and so there have been WHAAAGH going on for ~65 million years, no ork WHAAAGH in trek or evidence of one ever. Kilgons are not mushrooms, Orks are they 'reproduce' via spores and the only way to be sure you got them all is to destroy all the spores with fire. Their technology is entirely faith based, they paint things red because red is faster and for orks its true because they believe it. Also Enterprise J is supposed to be an extra galatic vessel so would of ran in to tyranids probably, Theres a lore event that describes how the Tryanids found out about the galaxy and its Horus fault essentially so not the aliens in TNG and genestealers are totally different. lastly if Trek is a prequel to 40k then Trek is also related to the old world and age of sigmar because they are connected to 40k, its probable that the other souls Slaanesh is getting in fantasy are the Aeldari and its the same chaos god, not a respawn or a spin off, the same being who exists in all times at the same time (sort of). Thats actually worth an entire breakdown but tldr I guess Fun video but its a stretch just involving events on Earth and Mars much less the rest of the galaxy and the wider lore of how the Warhammer settings sort of link up is a huge issue for Trek to be slotted in. Best of luck if you wish to try and make this fit and I look forward to your efforts if so, I hope this small list of areas to address is helpfull but theres zero chance you will ever convince me Romulans/Vulcans are Aeldari (space elves yes, eldar lol nope) or Klingons are mushroom people who devolved from Krorks or that they for some reason don't know Gork and Mork are (Gork is the embodiment of his species brutal cunning, while Mork is the epitome of the Greenskins' cunning brutality).

[@BdogFinal14]

Would make very interesting alt history. You should expand on it.

[@jonahgriedel168]

I absolutely adore this theory. I WANT it to be true. I'm genuinely a little bit excited about this notion.

[@supking403]

Writers leaving holes in the lore for us to fit our own little theories is the best

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Me: There are some things of the quantum techno arcanum that are best left as stories, Eldrad: But what about the double sponge lava cake!? Spock: I can teach you that, Taldeer: NOOOO Macha: We are not having this conversation again father, NO MORE SUGAR X CARBS!

[@Walterkansas]

Wasn't the eye of terror existing before the terran federation even became into being?

[@Titanscreaming]

Love it and Q is Tzeentch obvious, the changer of ways... the character surely fits xD

[@firstcynic92]

They use completely different FTL systems. If you wanted to make this argument for something like Babylon 5, you might be a step closer.

[@LoreReloaded]

I literally address that, though I could have expanded

[@NorthernNorthdude91749]

So? What does that matter? A universe can have more than one style of FTL. Not even 40K is solely reliant upon the Warp for FTL. Star Trek still fits fine.

[@RedCascadian]

@@NorthernNorthdude91749 Humanity was restricted to sublight speed until the 18th millenium. This is why the Kin and Votann were initially created and sent out on generation ships into the deep core. And why STC's were built, to help bootstrap colonies that would be far-removed from Earth for millenia. We also have the Eldar in Wh40K confirming a lot of things about the 40K timeline so they can't be written off as bad Imperial record keeping. Humanity also never had Trek-Humanities aversion to genetic engineering.

[@NorthernNorthdude91749]

@@RedCascadian Wrong. We don't know for sure Humanity was strictly sub-light for so long. That's the Imperium's assumption, and they admit they could be wrong. The Necrons and Tyranids both use non-Warp based FTL. You're wrong.

[@RedCascadian]

@NorthernNorthdude91749 and the tyrannids use a form of psychically powered gravity warp to do FTL and Necrons just make their ships behave as if they have zero mass. Necrons are also the only faction more advanced than the Eldar, so telling the laws of physics "because I said so" is kinda their whole deal.

[@AKWatchX]

I love a good crossover theory. Well done.

[@OutworldStudios]

40k was initially a parody of practically most major sci-fi franchises. So, it's not surprising to see parallels.

[@____________838]

The Eldar scoffing at the “older races” of the Star Trek universe is pretty hilarious.

[@benpearson49]

One thing, Khan never ruled the planet. Merely a rather large area just north of today's India. His people, the Augments ruled most of the planet, but they were never united. Because Augments are naturally cooperative as sharks. PS. Also Klingons aren't fungi, and don't handle cold very well. Their shiver reflex doesn't work very well, compared to humans. Orks fight equally well on frozen Ice Worlds, and Desert worlds without any sort survival gear.