Correction to the how to win scene: Mike tison cannot be won bye points. However idk if you can’t ko or not…
@PapamanualСағат бұрын
you can beat tyson by points and you can beat him with a KO
@BleuSkiddew12 сағат бұрын
7:30 I imagine that people taking a liking to speed running for additional reasons; ✓ You could do it with almost every game especially if you determine rulesets like "Quickest to 1 million points". ✓Speed running is almost like enjoying a firework because it's quick, but spectacular while a lot of people see high score as watching a candle burn. ✓Speedrunning is arguably easier to practice because in some cases, you could practice dozens of runs in the time it could take you to get a successful high score run. ✓ in addition, responsibilities are important so for a lot of more casual people in the speed running community could fit a 20 minute Speedrun in between getting out of class and dinner, or between putting the kids to bed and sleep.
@Papamanual8 сағат бұрын
Absolutely, I agree. to speedrun is fun, but I dont think highscore isnt fun just because its the antithesis of the speedrun. Just to counter your points for the sake of argument: 1. Cant really counter this one. Speedrunning is a bit more universal in the sense that you just set a goal and aim to complete it the fastest, whether you want to speedrun points, or game completion or fastest time to complete the Tyson code, it doesnt really matter. Its arbitrary. In fact, many contemporary sports are not "speedruns" and are infact based on score - basketball, soccer, American Football, even single player sports like highjump, long jump etc. Not everything has to be a 100m sprint or a 26 mile marathon. 2. I agree that a fireworks show could be spectacular, but I would also argue that there is also beauty in watching a candle burn. I think people just to things that are over quickly. It's all subjective. 3. Speedrunning is definitely less time consuming to learn and play, but still the highscore run for MTPO is still shorter than many other speedruns speedruns - of which people still engage in. 80 minutes is hardly a long time. 4. Basically the same as 3. Speedrunning is just less time consuming to participate in and not everyone has the time. The point of the video was just to bring highscore MTPO into awareness. and partly a reason for me to ever play the game again should anyone contest my scores - I enjoy the competition.
@Protoman318 сағат бұрын
erm actually Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell have achieved a 57.99 on bald bull 1. You need to press the shoulder buttons on the third controller tho
@luisaucedoКүн бұрын
3:55
@Supersonic6427Күн бұрын
How to make highscore challenges interesting - add a time bonus (or special bonuses in general on top of the time bonus) that varies depending on how fast you complete the level, then it's just routing how to obtain the most points WHILE ALSO finishing a level as quickly as possible for the added time bonus. It allows for varying and maybe even unique strategies while also still being fast paced if people don't enjoy slower paced runs.
@PapamanualКүн бұрын
its interesting to have a time based bonus for a sort of hybrid system, like the system Donkey Kong has. Although, I believe the Barrel boards never favour this style of play, and i think the rivet board you can sort of get extra points when its safe and you are almost at completion. Other than that, the pie stage and spring stage do favour more points for quick completion. Punchout doesnt have a native system like that, that sort of system would need to be human imposed. That being said, I dont think its necessary to involve quick fight completion to make high score punchout fill at least some interesting niche. The highscore strategies are already pretty involved, in-depth and challenging in their own right. I have yet to see anyone, myself included, bring out the full potential of the category.
@Supersonic642715 сағат бұрын
@@Papamanual I think in terms of finding people to compete in scores, it might be best to find people who 1) enjoy long sessions, 2) don't mind the learning curve, and 3) enjoy going for the highscore. I think this' a scenario where you'd need to find its intended audience.
@Papamanual13 сағат бұрын
@@Supersonic6427 I agree, thats why I made this video - to bring it into awareness that this is a way you can play the game. I cant force people to run it, all i can do is 'advertise' the idea of it.
@BroyceyКүн бұрын
UPDATE: Drfellx has achieved a time of 44.48 and is now the new world record holder
@jackstorm670Күн бұрын
this feels like a low% run
@BuffProductionHDКүн бұрын
imagine breaking the world record and then some bum coming back over you and doing the same strategy and beating you because the star punches have more power
@jsbmx20392 күн бұрын
In ven Tory ?
@Papamanual2 күн бұрын
the word never came up in my grade 2 english class :( I had to guess how to pronounce it
@goldenhydreigon47272 күн бұрын
49:37) "Let's see why that's just not happening." I just use this segment to vibe to Giratina's theme ngl
@mathrocks832 күн бұрын
I have a question about IL records. Are players allowed to do "Another World Circuit" for tries on Hippo, Great Tiger, and Bald Bull 1? It doesn't save much time, but does cut out Don 1.
@Papamanual2 күн бұрын
yes they can use AWC to go for IL wr's
@jackdelosrippers9943 күн бұрын
I think you just have to get him with his mouth open.
@BuffProductionHD3 күн бұрын
its cazy all the different possible outcomes this game had being made 30 years ago
@ThecoolDecent3 күн бұрын
14,000 or so
@johndoe-rq1pu4 күн бұрын
I don’t know the answer, but I know that Matt Turk is involved
@Papamanual4 күн бұрын
sadly not this time.
@octangular58524 күн бұрын
enter kevdog:
@_Gam3r4 күн бұрын
1:08:54 NO WAY NOLAN414 WENT PAST THE TAS TIME BY ALMOST 20 SECONDS WITH A 39.97 ON DON 2!!!!!!
@Papamanual4 күн бұрын
editing mistake :(
@gamermike65865 күн бұрын
105280
@CZPC5 күн бұрын
Silly pap, punch out runners can't count.
@Papamanual5 күн бұрын
Say it ain't so 😢
@phorchybug32865 күн бұрын
I dont care for points.
@Antifrost5 күн бұрын
Whenever you talk about how certain interactions can lead to more or less damage, I wonder how much of it was intentional or if it's just a quirk of how the game was programmed. The Spinsucker reminds me of how the Wii version of Super Macho Man has an instant KO by hitting the end of his third clothesline with a Three-Star Punch, which makes me feel like that one was intentional. Given that Next Level Games included things like an infinite on Don Flamenco, I don't doubt that they'd have included that as a nod to the original fight as well.
@teeman92665 күн бұрын
Im stuck on soda popinski
@TeaKanji6 күн бұрын
Just wanted to say I've been binge-watching all of your essay-type videos over the past few months, and they've all been fantastic. Your presentation style is very inspirational, I appreciate how you put an emphasis on breaking down the tech and probabilities involved with each strat. Really interesting to learn about the inner workings of these games and how players began to manipulate them over time. Great work, eagerly awaiting whatever you choose to focus on next.
@TaBzEDITZ66 күн бұрын
3:10
@Aarchemist_6 күн бұрын
My guess is 21,000
@tonyslicer73996 күн бұрын
Took me day beat this game when came out but ring king probably game might like more
@thatcoolguynamedren7 күн бұрын
Khananaphone just being so casual after setting a massive achievement is so funny to me
@gabehembling10887 күн бұрын
35,990 points is my guess
@HungryPanda30977 күн бұрын
Quick tip: If you have Nintendo Switch Online, you can play NES Punch Out and create save states for different fights.
@Magikarp-yk7io7 күн бұрын
Ahh I love it dude your content is awesome ❤️ and helps my sleep disorder lol
@Oliver-fd6oh8 күн бұрын
My dad says that super macho man is the strongest boss in this game
@af25478 күн бұрын
Exactly 73
@Magikarp-yk7io8 күн бұрын
DeTysonator also got a clutch ass record in this too?! Daaaayum
@seangleeson80738 күн бұрын
Brandon DaSilva is all over these videos, but he's no longer listed on any MTPO Speedrunning Page; what happened with him?
@Papamanual8 күн бұрын
He asked to not have his videos on speedrun.com
@seangleeson80736 күн бұрын
@@Papamanual Thanks, though that's really unfortunate, since it affects the history and in some cases even the current Record. Is it known why?
@Papamanual6 күн бұрын
@@seangleeson8073 He's told me before, but the exact reason escapes me at the moment. Better to ask him rather than me take an educated guess.
@Protoman38 күн бұрын
I'm not sure if anyone knows this, but there's an easier way to tell Great tiger is about to throw a jab. Hold up to raise his guard, and when the gem flashes, GT will drop his guard, even though you're holding up. Then just face punch for a star.
@Papamanual8 күн бұрын
That is a nifty way to see he is getting ready to jab, much more obvious than just waiting for his gem flash. Nice find.
@Protoman39 күн бұрын
it's odd hearing the Pal version of the music and sfx. It's the same, but somehow different?
@Papamanual9 күн бұрын
PAL soundtrack sounds "sadder", less upbeat lol
@Protoman39 күн бұрын
Mr. sandman is my favorite fight in the game. Trying to squeeze every bit of damege within the time limit without star punches, it makes me wonder if the devs themselves beat mr sandman in R1. Also, the tas time beats mr sandman -after- the regular clock ends (some fights have different clock speeds).
@ct-tz9pz10 күн бұрын
Hey Pap, of all the GT4 challenge videos that became popular on KZbin (and inspired me to get back into GT4), your 200 point challenge is my favorite by a wide margin, and I really hope you make more GT4 content. I wanted to do my own challenge (which I posted on Reddit and TheGamingDefinition's Discord) where I finished each event with the cheapest car possible (buy price+upgrades, no prize cars-which makes this a de-facto no upgrade challenge for the easier events). To cap it off, I wanted to do the GTWC with a standard production car, without leaning on easy competition like the Gillet, CLK GTR, etc.. but it wasn't viable, so I used the Motul Pitworks Z with a stage 4 turbo, which worked perfectly and was an excellent alternative (and not that difficult to get) beating a moderate lobby with none of the easy opponents. Honestly stunning how good it was with 940 hp, didn't even adjust the suspension settings. Also tried to use the Zonda LM in a similar event in the extreme hall, but it had horrible tire wear and I got cocky trying to beat an R92 and R89. Questions about your run- is the BMW 120D just that good? For FR I used the stock Skyline GTS-T and the competition was pretty stiff. Is the Callaway rated very poorly for points, because I never got a sub-100 point race trying out the 96 Corvette, Camaros, etc.. for Supercar- ended up using the Mustang SVT Cobra, which was excellent. The Compact cup seems very difficult with the 50 hp Nissan, I failed with the Honda City Turbo but crushed them with the 1990 SiR.
@Papamanual10 күн бұрын
Thanks man, I'm glad I was your inspiration to get back into GT4. I dont have any particular GT4 content in mind, so i probably wont make anything anytime soon. Nothing has really piqued my interest to play the game again. I didnt do all that much research into what cars were "best" for 200 points early in the run. I thought this run would force me to use cars that I never would have as a kid (and it did) - my races were like 1-10 points back then lol. So I cant really answer your questions about whether the BMW 120d or the Callaway C12 or any of the other cars were the best choices for this particular challenge - more that it gave me an opportunity to make the game more difficult for myself. From memory, I think the Legacy B4 Blitzen, the elise 111R and the car I used for the world classic car (I think it was the Honda s800 or s600) came from suggestions in an old GT4 forum. Aside from that, I usually picked cars just that I felt like could take on the challenge, using WildCobraZ28's guide a little to make sure I wouldnt buy a car that was too good and waste money.
@ultra_marcus11 күн бұрын
7:29 I'm certainly grateful you spent 7 minutes talking about the Glass Joe WR :D
@TaBzEDITZ611 күн бұрын
5:29
@TaBzEDITZ611 күн бұрын
super macho man is easier than sandman imo
@gorillachronicles13 күн бұрын
Nobody will ever beat Matt turk even if they have better times
@Papamanual13 күн бұрын
Your idolization of him is a little disturbing.
@markyjoe199013 күн бұрын
Imagine a casual viewer looking at this and thinking its just a regular punch out run.
@Papamanual13 күн бұрын
Highscore definitely looks more 'casual' than the speedrun lol.
@IgotJoClue14 күн бұрын
What does ntsc mean
@Papamanual14 күн бұрын
National Television System Committee - basically the foundation of television standards in North America. In the context I used it, NTSC just means north American version of the game and PAL (Phase Alternating Line) is the standard used in most of Europe and Australia. Foundationally, its to do with the frequency of electrity that comes out of the outlet which led to having to make the hardware run on different power supplies.
@IgotJoClue14 күн бұрын
@@Papamanual could you water that down? My brain doesn't brain like others lol
@Papamanual14 күн бұрын
@@IgotJoCluelol ill try. NTSC games run at 60 frames per second. PAL games run at 50 frames per second.
@IgotJoClue14 күн бұрын
@@Papamanual so could you use the frames for an advantage of some sort?
@Papamanual14 күн бұрын
NTSC games run at a slightly different speed than PAL games (NTSC is typically slightly faster) Games were normally programmed with NTSC in mind, then 'scaled' to play at PAL. This can lead to some weird quirks because the scaling isnt always consistent.
@IgotJoClue14 күн бұрын
Dont forget he's a hard fighter
@peregrinecovington413816 күн бұрын
Audio issues
@TheRealVictorChaos16 күн бұрын
like at least 3 probably
@cupsoup724417 күн бұрын
I only own the shitty Mr. dream’s punch out!! Not the real man’s mike Tyson’s punch out!! So I can’t even compete 👉👈
@Papamanual17 күн бұрын
As long as its a NTSC (North American) version, the version with mr dream plays the same as the one with mike Tyson
@user-di9kn7in6d17 күн бұрын
About 49? That’s my guess before it actually happene
@TheGlitched6418 күн бұрын
I don't run punch-out but all these points really ring true with a game I run, The House Of The Dead: Overkill. The way to play for high score and speed are diametrically opposed, it's a whole new skill set you need for both, which makes it a whole new expirience, basically getting to learn a game you love twice